1. Comment #52703 by Shuggy on June 27, 2007 at 8:18 pm

I won't download Real Player because it's so toxic. Please someone put it up as Quicktime or something.

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2. Comment #52738 by Enlightenme.. on June 28, 2007 at 1:01 am

^ Works with realalternative (uses a windows media player basic)

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3. Comment #52813 by jesus_christ_himself on June 28, 2007 at 6:08 am

Besides not being able to save files with it, what's so wrong with it?

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4. Comment #52849 by ClemIsMe on June 28, 2007 at 8:21 am

It is not going away, is it?

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5. Comment #52851 by LB on June 28, 2007 at 8:24 am

It is not going away, is it?

thanks largely to the BBC it seems

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6. Comment #52868 by the great teapot on June 28, 2007 at 9:55 am

A word of warning, if you choose to listen to this you will be exposed to the travelling willburys.

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7. Comment #52894 by BigJohn on June 28, 2007 at 12:31 pm

Shuggy, download the K-Lite Codec Pack. It contains Media Player Classic plus enough codecs to play almost everything, including Real stuff and Quicktime stuff. It is easy on the resources and has no ads or spy ware attached. It's free, too.

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8. Comment #53051 by petermun on June 29, 2007 at 5:50 am

What a windbag McGrath is - and he has the nerve to suggest that what he is pushing is "the Word" - if only!

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9. Comment #53057 by Rtambree on June 29, 2007 at 6:44 am

On one hand I want to listen to it to legitimately trash the charlatan's vacuous pseudo-intellectual arguments, and on the other hand, I've got better things to do with my time.

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10. Comment #53639 by Peacebeuponme on July 2, 2007 at 11:26 am

The link takes you to the show the week after now. God does not want us to listen to McGrath's bluster any more.

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11. Comment #54613 by PaulJ on July 8, 2007 at 6:49 am

Finally got around to listen to this.

Sally Magnusson seems to be a sharp interviewer. She asked some pertinent questions, but unfortunately didn't have time to pursue them. Alister McGrath was his usual circumlocutory self, expounding with apparent conviction but actually saying nothing.

It was Alistair Noble who had the most interesting things to say -- specifically that ID was indeed a scientific theory, and that it wasn't a god-of-the-gaps argument. He seemed to be saying that because cells contain DNA -- essentially digital information -- this points to design, and therefore a designer. Two problems I see with this argument:

1. Presumably he's saying that the information contained in DNA is irreducibly complex, but is it? Most things in the natural world that ID-ists have claimed to be irreducibly complex have subsequently been shown to be no such thing.

2. If DNA points to a designer, to what does the designer point? How is this different from the god-of-the-gaps argument?

Most disturbing though, was his (and Gordon Graham's) continual insistence that ID is a scientific theory. If it is a scientific theory it should be testable. If it isn't testable, then clearly it shouldn't be taught in science classes.

(I'm open to reasoned persuasion on this point. If here isn't the proper place, hop over to http://www.evilburnee.co.uk)

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