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Monday, July 9, 2007 | Science : Psychiatry and Psychology | print version Print | Comments

Document Ten Politically Incorrect Truths About Human Nature

by Alan S. Miller Ph.D., Satoshi Kanazawa Ph.D.

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Why most suicide bombers are Muslim, beautiful people have more daughters, humans are naturally polygamous, sexual harassment isn't sexist, and blonds are more attractive.

Human nature is one of those things that everybody talks about but no one can define precisely. Every time we fall in love, fight with our spouse, get upset about the influx of immigrants into our country, or go to church, we are, in part, behaving as a human animal with our own unique evolved nature—human nature.

This means two things. First, our thoughts, feelings, and behavior are produced not only by our individual experiences and environment in our own lifetime but also by what happened to our ancestors millions of years ago. Second, our thoughts, feelings, and behavior are shared, to a large extent, by all men or women, despite seemingly large cultural differences.

Human behavior is a product both of our innate human nature and of our individual experience and environment. In this article, however, we emphasize biological influences on human behavior, because most social scientists explain human behavior as if evolution stops at the neck and as if our behavior is a product almost entirely of environment and socialization. In contrast, evolutionary psychologists see human nature as a collection of psychological adaptations that often operate beneath conscious thinking to solve problems of survival and reproduction by predisposing us to think or feel in certain ways. Our preference for sweets and fats is an evolved psychological mechanism. We do not consciously choose to like sweets and fats; they just taste good to us.

The implications of some of the ideas in this article may seem immoral, contrary to our ideals, or offensive. We state them because they are true, supported by documented scientific evidence. Like it or not, human nature is simply not politically correct.

Excerpted from Why Beautiful People Have More Daughters, by Alan S. Miller and Satoshi Kanazawa, to be published by Perigree in September 2007.

1. Men like blond bombshells (and women want to look like them)

Long before TV—in 15th- and 16th- century Italy, and possibly two millennia ago—women were dying their hair blond. A recent study shows that in Iran, where exposure to Western media and culture is limited, women are actually more concerned with their body image, and want to lose more weight, than their American counterparts. It is difficult to ascribe the preferences and desires of women in 15th-century Italy and 21st-century Iran to socialization by media.

Women's desire to look like Barbie—young with small waist, large breasts, long blond hair, and blue eyes—is a direct, realistic, and sensible response to the desire of men to mate with women who look like her. There is evolutionary logic behind each of these features.

Men prefer young women in part because they tend to be healthier than older women. One accurate indicator of health is physical attractiveness; another is hair. Healthy women have lustrous, shiny hair, whereas the hair of sickly people loses its luster. Because hair grows slowly, shoulder-length hair reveals several years of a woman's health status.

Men also have a universal preference for women with a low waist-to-hip ratio. They are healthier and more fertile than other women; they have an easier time conceiving a child and do so at earlier ages because they have larger amounts of essential reproductive hormones. Thus men are unconsciously seeking healthier and more fertile women when they seek women with small waists.

Until very recently, it was a mystery to evolutionary psychology why men prefer women with large breasts, since the size of a woman's breasts has no relationship to her ability to lactate. But Harvard anthropologist Frank Marlowe contends that larger, and hence heavier, breasts sag more conspicuously with age than do smaller breasts. Thus they make it easier for men to judge a woman's age (and her reproductive value) by sight—suggesting why men find women with large breasts more attractive.

Alternatively, men may prefer women with large breasts for the same reason they prefer women with small waists. A new study of Polish women shows that women with large breasts and tight waists have the greatest fecundity, indicated by their levels of two reproductive hormones (estradiol and progesterone).

Blond hair is unique in that it changes dramatically with age. Typically, young girls with light blond hair become women with brown hair. Thus, men who prefer to mate with blond women are unconsciously attempting to mate with younger (and hence, on average, healthier and more fecund) women. It is no coincidence that blond hair evolved in Scandinavia and northern Europe, probably as an alternative means for women to advertise their youth, as their bodies were concealed under heavy clothing.

Women with blue eyes should not be any different from those with green or brown eyes. Yet preference for blue eyes seems both universal and undeniable—in males as well as females. One explanation is that the human pupil dilates when an individual is exposed to something that she likes. For instance, the pupils of women and infants (but not men) spontaneously dilate when they see babies. Pupil dilation is an honest indicator of interest and attraction. And the size of the pupil is easiest to determine in blue eyes. Blue-eyed people are considered attractive as potential mates because it is easiest to determine whether they are interested in us or not.

The irony is that none of the above is true any longer. Through face-lifts, wigs, liposuction, surgical breast augmentation, hair dye, and color contact lenses, any woman, regardless of age, can have many of the key features that define ideal female beauty. And men fall for them. Men can cognitively understand that many blond women with firm, large breasts are not actually 15 years old, but they still find them attractive because their evolved psychological mechanisms are fooled by modern inventions that did not exist in the ancestral environment.

2. Humans are naturally polygamous

The history of western civilization aside, humans are naturally polygamous. Polyandry (a marriage of one woman to many men) is very rare, but polygyny (the marriage of one man to many women) is widely practiced in human societies, even though Judeo-Christian traditions hold that monogamy is the only natural form of marriage. We know that humans have been polygynous throughout most of history because men are taller than women.

Among primate and nonprimate species, the degree of polygyny highly correlates with the degree to which males of a species are larger than females. The more polygynous the species, the greater the size disparity between the sexes. Typically, human males are 10 percent taller and 20 percent heavier than females. This suggests that, throughout history, humans have been mildly polygynous.

Relative to monogamy, polygyny creates greater fitness variance (the distance between the "winners" and the "losers" in the reproductive game) among males than among females because it allows a few males to monopolize all the females in the group. The greater fitness variance among males creates greater pressure for men to compete with each other for mates. Only big and tall males can win mating opportunities. Among pair-bonding species like humans, in which males and females stay together to raise their children, females also prefer to mate with big and tall males because they can provide better physical protection against predators and other males.

In societies where rich men are much richer than poor men, women (and their children) are better off sharing the few wealthy men; one-half, one-quarter, or even one-tenth of a wealthy man is still better than an entire poor man. As George Bernard Shaw puts it, "The maternal instinct leads a woman to prefer a tenth share in a first-rate man to the exclusive possession of a third-rate one." Despite the fact that humans are naturally polygynous, most industrial societies are monogamous because men tend to be more or less equal in their resources compared with their ancestors in medieval times. (Inequality tends to increase as society advances in complexity from hunter-gatherer to advanced agrarian societies. Industrialization tends to decrease the level of inequality.)

3. Most women benefit from polygyny, while most men benefit from monogamy

When there is resource inequality among men—the case in every human society—most women benefit from polygyny: women can share a wealthy man. Under monogamy, they are stuck with marrying a poorer man.

The only exceptions are extremely desirable women. Under monogamy, they can monopolize the wealthiest men; under polygyny, they must share the men with other, less desirable women. However, the situation is exactly opposite for men. Monogamy guarantees that every man can find a wife. True, less desirable men can marry only less desirable women, but that's much better than not marrying anyone at all.

Men in monogamous societies imagine they would be better off under polygyny. What they don't realize is that, for most men who are not extremely desirable, polygyny means no wife at all, or, if they are lucky, a wife who is much less desirable than one they could get under monogamy.

4. Most suicide bombers are Muslim

Suicide missions are not always religiously motivated, but according to Oxford University sociologist Diego Gambetta, editor of Making Sense of Suicide Missions, when religion is involved, the attackers are always Muslim. Why? The surprising answer is that Muslim suicide bombing has nothing to do with Islam or the Quran (except for two lines). It has a lot to do with sex, or, in this case, the absence of sex.

What distinguishes Islam from other major religions is that it tolerates polygyny. By allowing some men to monopolize all women and altogether excluding many men from reproductive opportunities, polygyny creates shortages of available women. If 50 percent of men have two wives each, then the other 50 percent don't get any wives at all.

So polygyny increases competitive pressure on men, especially young men of low status. It therefore increases the likelihood that young men resort to violent means to gain access to mates. By doing so, they have little to lose and much to gain compared with men who already have wives. Across all societies, polygyny makes men violent, increasing crimes such as murder and rape, even after controlling for such obvious factors as economic development, economic inequality, population density, the level of democracy, and political factors in the region.

However, polygyny itself is not a sufficient cause of suicide bombing. Societies in sub-Saharan Africa and the Caribbean are much more polygynous than the Muslim nations in the Middle East and North Africa. And they do have very high levels of violence. Sub-Saharan Africa suffers from a long history of continuous civil wars—but not suicide bombings.

The other key ingredient is the promise of 72 virgins waiting in heaven for any martyr in Islam. The prospect of exclusive access to virgins may not be so appealing to anyone who has even one mate on earth, which strict monogamy virtually guarantees. However, the prospect is quite appealing to anyone who faces the bleak reality on earth of being a complete reproductive loser.

It is the combination of polygyny and the promise of a large harem of virgins in heaven that motivates many young Muslim men to commit suicide bombings. Consistent with this explanation, all studies of suicide bombers indicate that they are significantly younger than not only the Muslim population in general but other (nonsuicidal) members of their own extreme political organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah. And nearly all suicide bombers are single.

5. Having sons reduces the likelihood of divorce

Sociologists and demographers have discovered that couples who have at least one son face significantly less risk of divorce than couples who have only daughters. Why is this?

Since a man's mate value is largely determined by his wealth, status, and power—whereas a woman's is largely determined by her youth and physical attractiveness—the father has to make sure that his son will inherit his wealth, status, and power, regardless of how much or how little of these resources he has. In contrast, there is relatively little that a father (or mother) can do to keep a daughter youthful or make her more physically attractive.

The continued presence of (and investment by) the father is therefore important for the son, but not as crucial for the daughter. The presence of sons thus deters divorce and departure of the father from the family more than the presence of daughters, and this effect tends to be stronger among wealthy families.

6. Beautiful people have more daughters

It is commonly believed that whether parents conceive a boy or a girl is up to random chance. Close, but not quite; it is largely up to chance. The normal sex ratio at birth is 105 boys for every 100 girls. But the sex ratio varies slightly in different circumstances and for different families. There are factors that subtly influence the sex of an offspring.

One of the most celebrated principles in evolutionary biology, the Trivers-Willard hypothesis, states that wealthy parents of high status have more sons, while poor parents of low status have more daughters. This is because children generally inherit the wealth and social status of their parents. Throughout history, sons from wealthy families who would themselves become wealthy could expect to have a large number of wives, mistresses and concubines, and produce dozens or hundreds of children, whereas their equally wealthy sisters can have only so many children. So natural selection designs parents to have biased sex ratio at birth depending upon their economic circumstances—more boys if they are wealthy, more girls if they are poor. (The biological mechanism by which this occurs is not yet understood.)

This hypothesis has been documented around the globe. American presidents, vice presidents, and cabinet secretaries have more sons than daughters. Poor Mukogodo herders in East Africa have more daughters than sons. Church parish records from the 17th and 18th centuries show that wealthy landowners in Leezen, Germany, had more sons than daughters, while farm laborers and tradesmen without property had more daughters than sons. In a survey of respondents from 46 nations, wealthy individuals are more likely to indicate a preference for sons if they could only have one child, whereas less wealthy individuals are more likely to indicate a preference for daughters.

The generalized Trivers-Willard hypothesis goes beyond a family's wealth and status: If parents have any traits that they can pass on to their children and that are better for sons than for daughters, then they will have more boys. Conversely, if parents have any traits that they can pass on to their children and that are better for daughters, they will have more girls.

Physical attractiveness, while a universally positive quality, contributes even more to women's reproductive success than to men's. The generalized hypothesis would therefore predict that physically attractive parents should have more daughters than sons. Once again, this is the case. Americans who are rated "very attractive" have a 56 percent chance of having a daughter for their first child, compared with 48 percent for everyone else.

7. What Bill Gates and Paul McCartney have in common with criminals

For nearly a quarter of a century, criminologists have known about the "age-crime curve." In every society at all historical times, the tendency to commit crimes and other risk-taking behavior rapidly increases in early adolescence, peaks in late adolescence and early adulthood, rapidly decreases throughout the 20s and 30s, and levels off in middle age.

This curve is not limited to crime. The same age profile characterizes every quantifiable human behavior that is public (i.e., perceived by many potential mates) and costly (i.e., not affordable by all sexual competitors). The relationship between age and productivity among male jazz musicians, male painters, male writers, and male scientists—which might be called the "age-genius curve"—is essentially the same as the age-crime curve. Their productivity—the expressions of their genius—quickly peaks in early adulthood, and then equally quickly declines throughout adulthood. The age-genius curve among their female counterparts is much less pronounced; it does not peak or vary as much as a function of age.

Paul McCartney has not written a hit song in years, and now spends much of his time painting. Bill Gates is now a respectable businessman and philanthropist, and is no longer a computer whiz kid. J.D. Salinger now lives as a total recluse and has not published anything in more than three decades. Orson Welles was a mere 26 when he wrote, produced, directed, and starred in Citizen Kane.

A single theory can explain the productivity of both creative geniuses and criminals over the life course: Both crime and genius are expressions of young men's competitive desires, whose ultimate function in the ancestral environment would have been to increase reproductive success.

In the physical competition for mates, those who are competitive may act violently toward their male rivals. Men who are less inclined toward crime and violence may express their competitiveness through their creative activities.

The cost of competition, however, rises dramatically when a man has children, when his energies and resources are put to better use protecting and investing in them. The birth of the first child usually occurs several years after puberty because men need some time to accumulate sufficient resources and attain sufficient status to attract their first mate. There is therefore a gap of several years between the rapid rise in the benefits of competition and similarly rapid rise in its costs. Productivity rapidly declines in late adulthood as the costs of competition rise and cancel its benefits.

These calculations have been performed by natural and sexual selection, so to speak, which then equips male brains with a psychological mechanism to incline them to be increasingly competitive immediately after puberty and make them less competitive right after the birth of their first child. Men simply do not feel like acting violently, stealing, or conducting additional scientific experiments, or they just want to settle down after the birth of their child but they do not know exactly why.

The similarity between Bill Gates, Paul McCartney, and criminals—in fact, among all men throughout evolutionary history—points to an important concept in evolutionary biology: female choice.

Women often say no to men. Men have had to conquer foreign lands, win battles and wars, compose symphonies, author books, write sonnets, paint cathedral ceilings, make scientific discoveries, play in rock bands, and write new computer software in order to impress women so that they will agree to have sex with them. Men have built (and destroyed) civilization in order to impress women, so that they might say yes.

8. The midlife crisis is a myth—sort of

Many believe that men go through a midlife crisis when they are in middle age. Not quite. Many middle-aged men do go through midlife crises, but it's not because they are middle-aged. It's because their wives are. From the evolutionary psychological perspective, a man's midlife crisis is precipitated by his wife's imminent menopause and end of her reproductive career, and thus his renewed need to attract younger women. Accordingly, a 50-year-old man married to a 25-year-old woman would not go through a midlife crisis, while a 25-year-old man married to a 50-year-old woman would, just like a more typical 50-year-old man married to a 50-year-old woman. It's not his midlife that matters; it's hers. When he buys a shiny-red sports car, he's not trying to regain his youth; he's trying to attract young women to replace his menopausal wife by trumpeting his flash and cash.

9. It's natural for politicians to risk everything for an affair (but only if they're male)

On the morning of January 21, 1998, as Americans woke up to the stunning allegation that President Bill Clinton had had an affair with a 24-year-old White House intern, Darwinian historian Laura L. Betzig thought, "I told you so." Betzig points out that while powerful men throughout Western history have married monogamously (only one legal wife at a time), they have always mated polygynously (they had lovers, concubines, and female slaves). With their wives, they produced legitimate heirs; with the others, they produced bastards. Genes make no distinction between the two categories of children.

As a result, powerful men of high status throughout human history attained very high reproductive success, leaving a large number of offspring (legitimate and otherwise), while countless poor men died mateless and childless. Moulay Ismail the Bloodthirsty, the last Sharifian emperor of Morocco, stands out quantitatively, having left more offspring—1,042—than anyone else on record, but he was by no means qualitatively different from other powerful men, like Bill Clinton.

The question many asked in 1998—"Why on earth would the most powerful man in the world jeopardize his job for an affair with a young woman?"—is, from a Darwinian perspective, a silly one. Betzig's answer would be: "Why not?" Men strive to attain political power, consciously or unconsciously, in order to have reproductive access to a larger number of women. Reproductive access to women is the goal, political office but one means. To ask why the President of the United States would have a sexual encounter with a young woman is like asking why someone who worked very hard to earn a large sum of money would then spend it.

What distinguishes Bill Clinton is not that he had extramarital affairs while in office—others have, more will; it would be a Darwinian puzzle if they did not—what distinguishes him is the fact that he got caught.

10. Men sexually harass women because they are not sexist

An unfortunate consequence of the ever-growing number of women joining the labor force and working side by side with men is the increasing number of sexual harassment cases. Why must sexual harassment be a necessary consequence of the sexual integration of the workplace?

Psychologist Kingsley R. Browne identifies two types of sexual harassment cases: the quid pro quo ("You must sleep with me if you want to keep your job or be promoted") and the "hostile environment" (the workplace is deemed too sexualized for workers to feel safe and comfortable). While feminists and social scientists tend to explain sexual harassment in terms of "patriarchy" and other ideologies, Browne locates the ultimate cause of both types of sexual harassment in sex differences in mating strategies.

Studies demonstrate unequivocally that men are far more interested in short-term casual sex than women. In one now-classic study, 75 percent of undergraduate men approached by an attractive female stranger agreed to have sex with her; none of the women approached by an attractive male stranger did. Many men who would not date the stranger nonetheless agreed to have sex with her.

The quid pro quo types of harassment are manifestations of men's greater desire for short-term casual sex and their willingness to use any available means to achieve that goal. Feminists often claim that sexual harassment is "not about sex but about power;" Browne contends it is both—men using power to get sex. "To say that it is only about power makes no more sense than saying that bank robbery is only about guns, not about money."

Sexual harassment cases of the hostile-environment variety result from sex differences in what men and women perceive as "overly sexual" or "hostile" behavior. Many women legitimately complain that they have been subjected to abusive, intimidating, and degrading treatment by their male coworkers. Browne points out that long before women entered the labor force, men subjected each other to such abusive, intimidating, and degrading treatment.

Abuse, intimidation, and degradation are all part of men's repertoire of tactics employed in competitive situations. In other words, men are not treating women differently from men—the definition of discrimination, under which sexual harassment legally falls—but the opposite: Men harass women precisely because they are not discriminating between men and women.

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1. Comment #54864 by Mango on July 9, 2007 at 7:11 am

 avatarEvolutionary psychology is something I've enjoyed since reading Desmond Morris' "The Naked Ape" (though he didn't call his work evolutionary psychology). It explains so much of even the mundane, such as why women's business suits have shoulder pads and taller men have more children on average.

This article is also perfectly aligned with the concepts outlined in "The Selfish Gene."

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2. Comment #54866 by tieInterceptor on July 9, 2007 at 7:19 am

 avatarWhen he buys a shiny-red sports car, he's not trying to regain his youth; he's trying to attract young women to replace his menopausal wife by trumpeting his flash and cash.


ouch, slap in the face to the wife... makes total sense, but it's ruthless truth at its peak.

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3. Comment #54869 by steveroot on July 9, 2007 at 7:37 am

 avatarBrief, though mild, pedantic diatribe:
2. Comment #54866 by tieInterceptor on July 9, 2007 at 7:19 am
...but it's ruthless truth at its peak.

Excellent use of the apostrophe!
Steve

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4. Comment #54878 by debaser71 on July 9, 2007 at 8:11 am

Lame article. Lame magazine.

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5. Comment #54881 by tieInterceptor on July 9, 2007 at 8:20 am

 avatarExcellent use of the apostrophe!
Steve


mmm... English is not my mother tongue, so that went over my head... I usually type as it sounds, then run the spell check... that's as far as I get :)

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6. Comment #54884 by Ben Kington on July 9, 2007 at 8:25 am

I thought this article was garbage the first time I saw it - does anyone know how it ended up here? If Dawkins himself saw fit to post it, maybe I'll have to reconsider. A few points I saw:
Polygamy is not common in Muslim cultures. Postulating that this explains suicide bombers from those cultures is a stretch at best - the amount of polygamy practiced in such cultures is not nearly enough to have a significant impact on the population as a whole. Compare to China, where there are many more frustrated, mateless males (due to female infanticide skewing the gender proportions) and no suicide bombers.
Also, most of the reasons given why men like the sort of women that appear on modern magazine covers are not backed up by any evolutionary psychology I've read. As far as I know, the only physical constant in female attractiveness is the hip to waist ratio (in men, height). At different times in history, overweight women have been in vogue (This mostly has to do with appearing rich - it used to be only the rich could eat a lot. Now, only the rich can join a health club.) Though the saggy breast theory is interesting, I think it's more likely that something else is going on: Large breasts are currently fashionable, and a man with a big busted woman on his arm looks richer, just as if he were driving a fancy sports car. If some other sort of breasts were currently in style, than they would be favored (and so be in style - a feedback loop). I'm fairly certain that some cultures - perhaps in Asia? - currently or in the past have preferred small (though still big enough to evince puberty) breasted women but I could be wrong on this point.
One more complaint (though I found other things wrong with the article, too): polygamy is not good for women. More important than having the best genes from a male partner (unless you're relegated to the absolute bottom of the barrel, gene wise,) is having assistance raising the child. For this reason, women favor monogamy. Of course, the ideal arrangement, evolutionarily speaking, is for a woman to dupe a man into a monogamous relationship and then cheat on him with a man who has better genes, cuckolding the first man into raising the child. Indeed, even now there is evidence that women are more likely to cheat while ovulating.
The article seems to me the sort of hack evolutionary reasoning that gives us all a bad name.
My ideas on gender and evolutionary psychology are mostly informed by "The Red Queen" by Matt Ridley, which is my favorite book. It's an old book (1994, I think), but I have not heard that any of the ideas I mentioned here have been refuted, and the logic of the women / polygamy example particularly seems hard to refute. So - is this article rubbish, as I am thinking? And if so, how did it end up here, polluting the memeosphere on the website of the man who coined the term?

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7. Comment #54885 by Greg23 on July 9, 2007 at 8:29 am

I almost feel like checking out Snopes to see if they have an entry on this.

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8. Comment #54890 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 9, 2007 at 8:41 am

>>The surprising answer is that Muslim suicide bombing has nothing to do with Islam or the Quran (except for two lines)<<

I don't know about the rest, but this bit is nonsense.

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9. Comment #54891 by _J_ on July 9, 2007 at 8:47 am

 avatarHmm. Speculation without corroboration. Interesting but hardly convincing. Not really science, is it?

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10. Comment #54892 by The author on July 9, 2007 at 8:49 am

 avatarI agree with Ben Kington. Evolutionary psychology is to a great extend wild speculation, comparable to psychoanalysis. I've read the weirdest and most irresconciliable evaluations from evolutionary psychologists. That just doesn't make any sense, they seem to transfer what they think individually to science, but it is not. Nothing against sociobiology, but evolutionary psychology is just weird.

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11. Comment #54893 by pewkatchoo on July 9, 2007 at 8:50 am

 avatartieInterceptor
its does not need an apostrophe, even when used as a possessive pronoun. Dem's da rules!

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12. Comment #54894 by Friend Giskard on July 9, 2007 at 8:55 am

 avatar"but it's ruthless truth at its peak"

There's nothing wrong with this grammatically. I don't know what point steveroot is trying to make. To be fair, he doesn't actually say that it's wrong.

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13. Comment #54896 by konquererz on July 9, 2007 at 9:01 am

 avatarObviously this article is lacking evidence of these claims, so they must all be taken as and interesting read but hardly soundly proven facts.

The surprising answer is that Muslim suicide bombing has nothing to do with Islam or the Quran (except for two lines)


He hasn't read the whole Koran or the Hadith. Scriptures that can be interpreted into violence are spread through out.

Ben Kington
Compare to China, where there are many more frustrated, mateless males (due to female infanticide skewing the gender proportions) and no suicide bombers.


Well, problem is that there is no religion in China that rewards you with sex after you die. So the same principle wouldn't apply. Islam rewards you with virgins so martyrdom would be a solution to a sexless religious man.

Ben Kington
I'm fairly certain that some cultures - perhaps in Asia? - currently or in the past have preferred small (though still big enough to evince puberty) breasted women but I could be wrong on this point.


Just watch Japanese and Korean cartoons and read their comics. Almost all asia anime contains big breasted, long legged, blond (or blue or green or ping) haired women who put out. Whats odd is that in the same area, they seem to show great fondness for child like women (or female children) as well as torture, bondage, and rape of women. But to say theu prefer small breasted women is completely incorrect. Their "art" reflects their desires, and thats large breasted women.

Ben Kington
One more complaint (though I found other things wrong with the article, too): polygamy is not good for women. More important than having the best genes from a male partner (unless you're relegated to the absolute bottom of the barrel, gene wise,) is having assistance raising the child.


In our history, the male has rarely taken a huge role in raising children. What is most commonly seen is looking for a man with good looks, good physical condition, secure job, and good money. Polygamy can be beneficial for women if many women can get with a man that looks good and makes good money. Its the future of their offspring and the quality of their offspring that really steadies this claim. Many women going towards a good looking man with the resources to support her makes much more sense that a woman looking for a man who will give her more help in raising the child. Better and stronger offspring, security of the future for her and her offspring, these make this part of the article most likely in my opinion. It follows all the basics that we actually know by watching people.

This article has allot of flaws, but it lends a good amount of discussion material. I think to simply dismiss it is to miss a grand opportunity to speak about issues like this and get past the "politically correct" crap that prevents open discussion about these topics.

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14. Comment #54899 by Mango on July 9, 2007 at 9:13 am

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comment 6: More important than having the best genes from a male partner (unless you're relegated to the absolute bottom of the barrel, gene wise,) is having assistance raising the child.


Try to maintain a gene's-eye view of processes. Assistance in child-rearing can come from fellow mothers and grandmothers. In fact, longevity for grandmothers (and women more generally) is perhaps explained by the assistance they give their daughters to raise children (linked below). Whether a male is monogamous or polygamous he and the other males would defend the tribe against threats as well as hunt for food. Sexual dimorphism is, by force of evidence from other primates, a sign of polygamy, so it must've happened in our species as well probably even before Australopithecines, and it's no surprise that men of power and means today tend to enjoy the practice.

http://www.huli.group.shef.ac.uk/bbc-news-2004.html

Also, most of the reasons given why men like the sort of women that appear on modern magazine covers are not backed up by any evolutionary psychology I've read.


I do not know what you've read, but here is my understanding. Clear skin, facial symmetry, blonde hair, pouty lips, all are traits we evolved to find attractive because they are signs of health and/or fecundity. Sometimes, as you point out, culture makes a physical feature aesthetically important when it's not evolved to be (e.g. bound, deformed little feet in China). But Western culture is a capitalist culture, and what sells is what we have evolved at the most primitive levels to be attracted to. Hence our fashion models are not hairy -- hairless is a feminine trait and (Western) culture emphasizes it. Beauty products more generally, such as products to clear up skin conditions, emphasize lips, lift breasts, shave men's faces and women's legs, so on. In short, Western capitalism reflects the impulses of our evolutionary psychology, and so some patterns of behavior we see today are fairly easily explained by our evolutionary psychology.

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15. Comment #54900 by MagratGarlick on July 9, 2007 at 9:14 am

What a load of rubbish!

Especially the old chestnut about natural reproduction in humans involving 'all the females being monopolised by a few males', because human males are slightly larger than human females. So are chimpanzees, our nearest relatives. I believe that the sex size difference in chimpanzees is actually greater than that in humans, and yet both sexes of chimpanzee are indiscriminately promiscuous. Every female will copulate with every available male during her fertile phase.

In species where it is actually the case that 'all the females are monopolised by a few males', such as gorillas and elephant seals, males are not 10% bigger than females, but 100% or more. Even then, the monopolisation has nothing to do with the inclination of the females, who, just like chimpanzees, will cheerfully copulate with any 'available' male, but with the actions of the alpha male, who makes sure that he is the only one 'available' by driving the others off.


Humans ARE naturally, biologically polygamous, i.e. promiscuous, as the piece starts off saying. (Although, as Dawkins repeatedly points out, humans are quite capable of overcoming their biological urges when their reason concludes that there is much to be gained in non-biological ways, such as the emotional fulfilment of a monoganous relationships).

It then does a bait-and-switch, replacing 'polygamous' with 'polygynous' as if they meant the same thing. Doesn't this guy posses a dictionary? Do that in a high school essay and the teacher would throw it at you!


And as for 'Men harass women precisely because they are not discriminating between men and women.'

It's news to me that men who sexually harass women at work behave exactly the same way towards their MALE colleagues, groping them and making derogatory sexual remarks to them.


The only 'politically incorrect' thing about this piece is the blatant distortion of 'science' for the political purpose of maintaining the patriarchal status quo. It didn't work with 'The Bell Curve', and it ain't gonna work with 'But women are just NATURALLY inferior to, whoops, sorry, I meant different from, men, you know!'

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16. Comment #54902 by Henri Bergson on July 9, 2007 at 9:22 am

 avatarSteve,

Let's be pedantic! The article correctly used the apostrophe but it incorrectly used the word 'blond'.

'Blond' with no 'e' is masculine; with an 'e', feminine. So the following extract (one of many) is grammatically incorrect:

"...young girls with light blond hair become women with brown hair."



The whole article is amateur speculation anyway.

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17. Comment #54903 by Mango on July 9, 2007 at 9:26 am

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comment 16: The whole article is amateur speculation anyway


You must remember that every PhD is, by definition and at heart, a degree in philosophy, which is speculation, and so you should not dismiss it with a fillip as "amateur speculation."

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18. Comment #54907 by Henri Bergson on July 9, 2007 at 9:38 am

 avatarMango,

As a philosophy teacher I can tell you that good philosophy is backed up with sound reasons. Speculation may be interesting (over a beer) but it doesn't make for good philosophy (or science).

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19. Comment #54908 by MagratGarlick on July 9, 2007 at 9:42 am

Mango ...and so you should not dismiss it with a fillip as "amateur speculation."


I think it was dismissed as 'amateur speculation' because it shows no evidence whatsoever of professional research, five minutes of which would be enough to demolish most of the 'claims'. It makes leaps from highly selective facts to 'conclusions' which bear no logical relationship to said facts, but which bear a close relationship to what the author would like to be true.

A lot like Intelligent Design Creationism, in fact. :o)

'Politically incorrect' is right. 'Incorrect', i.e. false, and politically motivated.

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20. Comment #54909 by bamboospitfire on July 9, 2007 at 9:43 am

 avatar"Suicide missions are not always religiously motivated, but ... the attackers are always Muslim. Why? The surprising answer is that Muslim suicide bombing has nothing to do with Islam or the Quran (except for two lines). It has a lot to do with sex, or, in this case, the absence of sex.

"What distinguishes Islam from other major religions is that it tolerates polygyny...

"Across all societies, polygyny makes men violent..."

"The other key ingredient is the promise of 72 virgins waiting in heaven for any martyr in Islam."

Er, so in fact it has everything to do with Islam then?

How did these people manage to obtain doctorates? Their article is bunkum.

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21. Comment #54911 by mdowe on July 9, 2007 at 9:47 am

 avatarI'm always leary of articles summarising conclusions which are presumably drawn from statistics -- but with all the statistics and collection methods removed. I'm sure all these observations are true *sometimes* and for some particular groups of people, but the devil is in the details which we are not getting.

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22. Comment #54912 by Duff on July 9, 2007 at 9:57 am

As a, perhaps, interesting side note, it was generally the practice in Mormon polygamy (the old, original version, not the version practiced today by non-mainstream Mormons) that the members of the church "called" to practice polygamy had to, as a rule, be financially capable of supporting multiple families. The net effect was that it was the more wealthy Mormon males who got most of the women. And in many cases, they were "assigned" women who had no other prospects.
To the best of my knowledge, there were no suiciders among the Mormon men who ended up on the short end of the stick, even though Mormons believe if they are faithful, they will be given a faithful women to wed on the other side. Nobody specifies whether or not she is guaranteed to be a virgin. Pig in a poke, really.

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23. Comment #54913 by gordon on July 9, 2007 at 10:01 am

 avatarMy wife was (and still is) a stunningly beautiful woman and I'm not too bad but we haven't two pennies to scratch our arse(s) with. We have four boys and one girl. What went wrong?

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24. Comment #54915 by gordon on July 9, 2007 at 10:04 am

 avatarI am also monogamous except in the wee small hours during REM. Even then the objest of fantasy morphs into my wife during the finale. How predictable!

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25. Comment #54916 by Ben Kington on July 9, 2007 at 10:06 am

Mango and Konquerez,
Thanks for your replies - A few points:
I suppose I can let the article's assessment of why Barbie-type women are favored go - my main issue with it is that it omits the role of culture in sustaining a feedback loop for what's "attractive," not that the role of evolution that it plays up it totally absent. Clear skin is an indicator of health, blond hair of youth, and so on. Weight, I still believe, is almost entirely a cultural construct (as long as the weight is within a healthy range,) and my beef here is that the article suggests, if it doesn't explicitly say, that the entire "Barbie" image, including weight, is biologically preprogrammed.
My bigger issue is the description of women as benefiting from polygamy. I /am/ taking a gene's eye view of the question: Having a father who will provide food and protection (yes, Grandma can help, but I doubt you seriously dispute that men are better at these tasks than women,) and generally see that the child survives its initial helpless stage (exceptionally longer than in other animals, and a good bet for causing our other odd habit of pair bonding, as I'm arguing here) is good for the reproductive chances of the genes carried by everyone involved. Of course, it still benefits the woman to try and secure the biological input of a small number of highly desirable men (or a large number, but this would be harder to do and usually doesn't happen in practice.) It would be to the benefit of the man to donate his genetic material to as many women, of whatever quality, as possible. But in both cases, especially in the case of the woman's who has a much larger investment in the child, this must only be done to the extent that it doesn't jeopardize the pair-bond. This is consistent with what actually happens, and human testicle size - a strong indicator of degree of promiscuity - is consistent with a pattern of serial monogamy with a little action on the side for both partners. So, it's true that humans do not naturally "mate for life," but to say that they are "naturally polygamous" is a farce. The history of culture generally refutes it, not just Western. Aside from one or two outlying cultures, and the absolute top of the pecking order in many cultures (Kings, pharohs, NBA stars, a small group whose deviance from the practices of the group at large is evidenced by consistently being viewed as sensational) "polygamy" is not practiced by humans. Human testicle size strongly suggests this has been the case for a long in our evolutionary history. Promiscuity? yes, a bit. But not polygamy in the sense that the article means.

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26. Comment #54917 by boredbypolitics on July 9, 2007 at 10:08 am

 avatarHaving read the comments here, I would suggest that the article was useful in being posted, despite the accuracy of its contents.

If nothing else, as someone else pointed out, it has promoted the discussion of the issues it has raised, some of which I have found very interesting, and thought provoking.

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27. Comment #54919 by gordon on July 9, 2007 at 10:11 am

 avatarBen,


I find the testicle bit interesting. If I was packing the bag of spanners that my Billie goat was carrying around I would have to walk around on crutches. However, even with my mini sweetbreads I could still populate a small continent.

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28. Comment #54926 by bluebird on July 9, 2007 at 10:49 am

 avatarThis article kind of reads like a horoscope, generalized and all over the map.

The anime` our boys read/watch do indeed have very westernized looking females. My husband informed me that Japanese women (ladies de la soir) had breast enhancements to lure occuping U.S. forces.
gordon, do you like modern art, such as Mark Rothko's 'untitled #11'. I admit I didn't read your first few tete`a`tete posts concerning art.
I'm no art/music expert, but sure do apprecitate it!!

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29. Comment #54928 by Ben Kington on July 9, 2007 at 10:50 am

Gordon - right, if you had no competition. However, if every time your sperm entered a female, they were outnumbered 100 to 1 by those of someone with "spanners" more along the lines of your Billie goat (forgive me if I'm butchering the slang - I've never heard it, but I'd love to learn!) you wouldn't be populating much of anything at all. Thus, chimpanzees (very much a free love species) have giant "sweetbreads," where as gorillas, who monopolize their females via their huge muscle mass, would get laughed out of a human locker room (supposing the humans had the... well, you know... to say anything.) Note that in the gorilla's case the competition is simply shifted to before sex occurs - it's done with the muscles rather than the balls - where as chimps prefer to let their boys slog it out post coitus. Humans have a testicle size relative to their bodies that suggest more sperm competition (more promiscuity) than gorillas, but less than chimpanzees.

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30. Comment #54934 by gordon on July 9, 2007 at 11:11 am

 avatarBen,

I understand where you are coming (oops) from. The article missed the nuances out. It simplified the size ratios. Most books looking to sell try this route for effect. Nothing is as simple as this. Besides, we are the only species I know that has the ability to defy our physical and evolutionary inheritance (if we have the will).


Bluebird,

Yes I do like Rothko. I also like Pollock. 'Like' would have to be defined however. The work I produce as results of my cognitive process, despite being conceived in an abstract ferment, end as figurative works. This method of 'conversion' from a thought to a tangible, physical item is important to me. Many paintings, sculptures, installations or whatever, use abstraction or conceptual as their defining principle and final product. An abstraction its purest form is "to do with or existing in thought rather than matter, of in theory rather than practice; not tangible or concrete". An abstract thought remains so unless it is explained or placed (channelled) into some representative medium. To remain as abstract on the canvas, having obtained physical form, then seems to be a contradiction. An 'abstract or conceptual' work therefore seems to no such thing but during my formative years it was the driving force behind the colleges and gallery systems prevalent at that time. So as an artist it could be said it is possible to lie on ones back, daydreaming in abstraction and never committing the work to canvas (or whatever). To allow an actual physical painting to trade as an abstraction or a concept seems to be a conceit. It seems a lazy arrogance to place this object as a material presence if it never evolved beyond abstract thought. A new born human child will think in abstraction. To take an abstract thought and attempt to correlate it with our physical situation, explore, explain it and represent the results in a work of art or science or philosophy seems to be much more worthy than to continue to prolong it as an abstraction or as conceptual. Only music seems to hold abstraction as an ephemeral and passing delight. For these reasons I always fell short of a full appreciation of the Abstract and Conceptual art movements. I think it has been an easy path to follow. A lazy route to appeasement. A starting point, not a destination. I have yet to meet a child that doesn't start with simply applying colour and being entranced just by doing so. To carry through this into adulthood seems to somehow give up on exploration and enquiry.

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31. Comment #54935 by Mango on July 9, 2007 at 11:25 am

 avatarTo try to get a consensus on this issue of evolutionary psychology, I think we must all agree that culture has not completely replaced the genetically-encoded software that dominated our evolutionary history.

Wolpert in "Six Impossible Things Before Breakfast" reasons that the cause-and-effect thinking we developed with stone tool use had the side-effect of humans conjuring supernatural explanations for causes they did not understand. Perhaps this is where the meme enters the picture: even though we now have many explanations for the natural world people still cling to their Iron Age myths about the causes of effects ("effects" being anything from childhood leukemia to earthquakes to good grades in school.)

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32. Comment #54937 by Dizzlski on July 9, 2007 at 11:44 am

1. Men like blond bombshells.

What am I to make of the fact that I specifically do not find this type of woman attractive? I desire dark, short hair, small breasts, dark eyes and in spite of what the article states; find any sort of enhancement an extreme turn-off. Maybe my genes (which are of Scandinavian descent) just became bored with all the blonde hair. Am I wrong or did blonde hair only show up in humans 11,000 years ago (I may be thinking of red hair). If I am correct, are we really evolving so fast that this became so damned important? How do the authors of this article account for the massive populations of China and India?

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33. Comment #54938 by Rtambree on July 9, 2007 at 11:46 am

To all the evolutionary psychology skeptics out there, are you doubting both the interpretations and the statistics or just the interpretations?

I think evolutionary psychology is better than astrology, philosophy or wild speculation (as suggested on this forum), as the article's claims are testable and falsifiable. Some of the above claims may be wrong, speculative, half-right, or just describe one of several contributing factors, but they're more scientific than the navel-gazing introspection and semantic contortions of philosophy.

To the skeptics, are there any evolutionary psychology claims you do accept? Some claims e.g. such as men prefer youthful women and women prefer high status men, are fairly universal and backed up by reams of evidence.

Here's a question where humans seem unique - why do women compete with each other to get men, whereas in most other species the female just sits back and chooses from a host of suitors? Is it the variability in male resources (both their Y chomosones and bank accounts) and the exceptionally long investment to ensure offspring reach maturity?

Ben Kington mentioned that preference for low weight is culturally, not biologically programmed. I think the evidence confirms innateness more than the other way around (yes there are exceptions, just like the dowry system can make parents kill their offspring, or charismatic cult leaders can drive people to suicide, but nevertheless these are abnormal situations).

Another reason for preferring slim waists may stem from concealed ovulation - a man doesn't want to be spending his resources raising another man's offspring, so a slim waisted woman would more likely not be pregnant, whereas it is more difficult to tell with a fat woman. So it may not just be about health.

Rothko - I don't get it, although I've given him a good go. I see people sitting in the Seagrams Murals room at the Tate Modern stroking their chins. Emperor's New Clothes comes to mind.

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34. Comment #54939 by Mango on July 9, 2007 at 11:52 am

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Comment 32 What am I to make of the fact that I specifically do not find this type of woman attractive?


And some men love other men and ignore women altogether. These aren't rules, just patterns that might have an explanation in our evolved psychologies.

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35. Comment #54940 by gordon on July 9, 2007 at 11:52 am

 avatarRtambree,

Rothko isn't deep. It's just balm. You enjoy, stroke your chin and move on. Like I said, you would have to define 'like'. I don't 'like' science but it is attractive. Like a candle to a moth.

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36. Comment #54941 by gordon on July 9, 2007 at 11:57 am

 avatarRtambree,

In deep sleep and in my dreams, my wife just becomes younger. Even with the wide possibilities that dreams allow, she still turns up. Why?

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37. Comment #54942 by Rtambree on July 9, 2007 at 11:57 am

35. Comment #54940 by gordon

>Rothko isn't deep

Fair enough. It's just that some of the praise heaped on Rothko suggests there's some transcendent quasi-religious experience going on.

Perhaps it's simply that some people resonate to different influences.

I find the Cavatina in the Beethoven Op130 string quartet gives me the same response that Rothko fans describe from his paintings and vice versa. I accept that.

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38. Comment #54944 by Rtambree on July 9, 2007 at 12:02 pm

36. Comment #54941 by gordon

>Even with the wide possibilities that dreams allow, she still turns up. Why?

Are you newly wed? Are you married to a model? Is she a divorce lawyer?

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39. Comment #54945 by gordon on July 9, 2007 at 12:02 pm

 avatarThe string vibrations are unique to you. Abstraction in music is pure form. In painting it is physical and clumsy. Conceptual art is unfinished and lazy. We all conceptualise.

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40. Comment #54947 by gordon on July 9, 2007 at 12:05 pm

 avatarRtambree,

No, we have been married since 1979. besides, she'd cut my b---s off if I strayed.

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41. Comment #54948 by Rtambree on July 9, 2007 at 12:08 pm

>she'd cut my b---s off if I strayed

Perhaps you have no choice then, your subconscious is too terrified of the consequences of thoughtcrime. Either way, she's a lucky woman and you're a lucky man.

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42. Comment #54949 by gordon on July 9, 2007 at 12:13 pm

 avatarBy the way Henri, if you placed diamonds in your skull av you could print tee-shirts and sell them like Damien Hirst. It's no less artistic.

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43. Comment #54950 by Rtambree on July 9, 2007 at 12:19 pm

42. Comment #54949 by gordon

>sell them like Damien Hirst

Only if they were promoted by Saatchi

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44. Comment #54951 by gordon on July 9, 2007 at 12:28 pm

 avatarRtambree,

Art has become product orientated. Like walking in a shopping mall. At that level it has no worth. Scientific vision has worth. Interpretation of our species has worth. The application of science is consumed like everything else. Only the thought process is free from greed.

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45. Comment #54955 by bruno_burned on July 9, 2007 at 12:41 pm

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currently fashionable, gender, culture, culture, culture, patriarchal status quo, role of culture, cultural construct


It often catches me off guard that many atheists visiting this site are also (M)ulticulturalists/Constructivists. I'm fine with it, it's just unexpected. Of course, evolutionary psychology/neuropsychology (the only two psychology fields that have any decent explanatory power) would irritate anyone who thinks there is a "mind", or that "culture" is some non-natural phenomenon. My sociology department detested biological determinism like it was the plague.

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46. Comment #54958 by gordon on July 9, 2007 at 12:55 pm

 avatarBruno,

The micro study of the brain is the equivalent of the Hubble. The macro study of the human condition is distinct from this but chained to the result.

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47. Comment #54976 by OhioAtheist on July 9, 2007 at 2:21 pm

 avatarOpponents of evolutionary psychology and the like often throw around accusations of "biological determinism." In the case of this article, the charge actually seems to stick. The authors appear certain that Darwinian incentives are the only motivators for human behavior; hence the astoundingly sweeping generalizations. This is particularly evident in the section about Muslim suicide bombing. Having found a Darwinian reason why young Muslim men might be inclined to suicide bombing (assuming, of course, that there actually is a vast shortage of females for Middle Eastern Muslim men), they jump to the absurd conclusion that the phenomenon "has nothing to do with" the barbarous teachings of Islam. This is nonsense. Beliefs absolutely have behavioral consequences, and suicide bombing is one consequence of Islam's conquering mentality and cult of martyrdom.

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48. Comment #54995 by Henri Bergson on July 9, 2007 at 3:59 pm

 avatarRtambree,

Of course much so-called philosophy is 'semantic contortion' (e.g. Sartre, Baudrillard, the French (exc. Bergson, Deleuze)), but there is much that, prima facie, looks like contortion but in fact is concentrated reasoning beyond the understanding of most (e.g. Kant).

To condemn philosophy is to condemn thinking.

Much evolutionary psychology wouldn't get past a first-year philosophy logic class: too many presuppositions and non sequiturs.
- But hopefully one day ev. psy. will mature.

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49. Comment #55003 by AtheistAcolyte on July 9, 2007 at 4:32 pm

It amuses me that so many people are throwing out "Then why don't I..." personal anecdotes as "proof" that these generalizations don't apply. These are the *exact* same style of argument skeptics get from religious believers: "Then why do I feel/hear/see God's presence/voice/design everywhere I go?"

As to the rest of the articles, while they do lack cited corroboration (this may be too much to ask from Psychology Today, I don't know), where are the debunking corroborative papers? At least their statements make sense to me within the framework of evolutionary theory.

Ben Kington-
Are you suggesting that polygyny is wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am with multiple partners? My understanding is that it is more like one male with multiple wives/female partners, who provides for their security and lifestyle while the women provide the childrearing. If the former, I'd agree with you, but in the latter scenario, the women no longer have to worry about their well-being, so they can focus on raising children. Also note that it is far more efficient (and easier) to provide shelter for multiple people under one roof than to provide multiple roofs for multiple people.

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50. Comment #55011 by Nails on July 9, 2007 at 5:19 pm

 avatarSo why so little talk of what women look for in males?
And how come, when women are supposed to like big, strong protective blokes do they scream after little scrawny boys with excessive make-up, pouting lips and squeeky girly voices, like

Westlife

or

Gareth Gates

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