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Monday, July 9, 2007 | Science : Interviews | print version Print | Comments

Video Bill Moyers interviews E.O. Wilson

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EO Wilson


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"Every kid has a bug period...I never grew out of mine."

Edward Osborne Wilson grew up off the gulf coast of Alabama and Florida, becoming fascinated at a very early age by the diversity of the natural world surrounding him. After blinding himself in one eye while fishing at the age of 7, Wilson explains that he no longer was very good at bird-watching, so decided to "turn towards the little things in life," namely ants.

antAt 13, he discovered the first U.S. colony of fire ants near the docks of Mobile, Alabama, well on his way to becoming one of the country's foremost myrmecologists (ant biologists), discovering the ways intricate chemical signals affect colony behavior. While a professor at Harvard, Wilson used his insect expertise as the basisfor larger study into animal and human behavior, releasing in 1975, SOCIOBIOLOGY: THE NEW SYNTHESIS, advancing Darwin's study of evolution into the realm of behavior:

"In a Darwinian sense, the organism does not live for itself. Its primary function is not even to reproduce other organisms; it reproduces genes, and it serves as their temporary carrier."

Though highly praised and extremely popular, SOCIOBIOLOGY proved equally controversial, primarily due to its last chapter, which extended analysis of the animal kingdom to human behavior and culture.

"Wilson seems to have been unaware of the full political implications of his final chapter," explains Paul Gross of THE NEW CRITERION online. "He saw no more harm in deploying biology in the study of human behavior than in the study of ants or chimpanzees." Eventually, the controversy subsided, the new field of sociobiology was legitimized, and Wilson was already finishing what could be his most important book, THE DIVERSITY OF LIFE (1992), a 424 page work about the tremendous interconnectivity of Earth's biosphere, and how human civilization is gravely threatening its natural symbiosis. Over half of the world's species could die out by the end of the century due to man-made ecological hardships, what Wilson calls the "sixth extinction."

"This is the only planet we're ever going to have. This planet has taken tens, hundreds of millions of years to create this beautiful natural environment we have that's taken care of us so well that is, in fact, our greatest natural heritage. And we're throwing it away in a matter of a few decades."

EO WilsonBut just as humans have the power to destroy our natural surroundings, Wilson optimistically believes that we too have the power to change our course, and develop a sustainable civilization that maintains the diversity of life on the planet. "Humanity is not suicidal...We are smart enough and have time enough to avoid all environmental catastrophes of civilization-threatening dimensions." His latest book, CREATION, calls on society to put disagreements between science and religion aside for the greater good of the planet. "Science and religion are the two most powerful forces in the world. Having them at odds...is not productive."

While accepting his 2007 TED Prize, E.O. Wilson made a wish: "to help create the key tool that we need to inspire preservation of Earth's biodiversity: the Encyclopedia of Life," and many have since answered this call, most notably the MacArthur Foundation, awarding Wilson $20 million dollars to bring the encyclopedia of life into being.

"It's always been a dream of mine, of exploring the living world, of classifying all the species and finding out what makes up the biosphere. We're maybe today about 1/10 through the discovery of species...We live in an unexplored planet."

Find out more about biodiversity, and what other governments around the world are doing to protect the planet.

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1. Comment #54961 by Johnny O on July 9, 2007 at 1:14 pm

 avatarOn Sunday I watched 5 hours of documentaries about Darwin, Evolution and The Galapicos on UKTV History, (a UK based cable/satelite channel).

In one programme, "Darwin's Legacy", Wilson popped up almost as much as Prof. Dawkins and I found him very engaging.

Although he doesn't directly address religion in this video, he does have many good points to make.

I got the following from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._O._Wilson

On the question of God, Wilson has described his position as provisional deism.[5] He has explained his faith as a trajectory away from traditional beliefs: "I drifted away from the church, not definitively agnostic or atheistic, just Baptist no more."[2] Wilson argues that the belief in God and rituals of religion are products of evolution.[6] He argues that they should not be rejected or dismissed, but further investigated by science to better understand their significance to human nature. In his book The Creation, Wilson makes a case for putting aside epistemological differences between religion and science and concentrating on what they have in common; namely, living nature.


Not necessarily what I believe but I really like the guy...

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2. Comment #54966 by AburKadabur on July 9, 2007 at 1:43 pm

Great interview. I have a new hero.

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3. Comment #54970 by happyatheist on July 9, 2007 at 1:55 pm

I saw this on PBS this past Friday and I too was fascinated with E. O. Wilson. He told Moyers that he's secular-humanist...and I could tell that Moyers' questions were pushing him to say he was atheist...but Wilson didn't go that far. LOL! Not once did he mention "God." He did however allude to believing in the natural rather than the supernatural.

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4. Comment #54974 by Salvatore on July 9, 2007 at 2:12 pm

 avatar"Consider how ignorant we are... and what difference it makes."
-- E.O. Wilson

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5. Comment #54977 by bluebird on July 9, 2007 at 2:27 pm

 avatarFans of tiny critters will enjoy 'Life in the Undergrowth' and 'Micro Cosmos'.

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6. Comment #54981 by The Smart Patrol on July 9, 2007 at 2:42 pm

 avatarWatching the disappointing histrionics of the nut-case Creationist who stood up and spoke at a conference in the video there, one can instantly notice that the fundies aren't exactly falling over themselves to take Wilson up on his offer of uniting in a common aim to save the planet. I'd never heard Wilson speak before, but the man is quite clearly a legend and an inspiration.

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7. Comment #54983 by aoratos philos on July 9, 2007 at 3:01 pm

Johnny O: I watched that documentary too.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zafcXI55QAo

An interesting watch, link above.

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8. Comment #54985 by MarcusA on July 9, 2007 at 3:12 pm

Wilson's book "Consilience: The Unity of Knowledge" is my all time favorite. It is a must read for anyone serious about the philosophy of science.

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9. Comment #54987 by Frostbit on July 9, 2007 at 3:29 pm

Superb interview.

"When all else fails man will turn to reason"

We hope!!

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10. Comment #54989 by HelloLOL on July 9, 2007 at 3:32 pm

The war in Iraq is about freedom.

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11. Comment #54996 by Thrinax on July 9, 2007 at 4:13 pm

The 'Encyclopedia of Life' project is a beautiful, attainable dream, yet pessimistically the collaboration of secular and religious forces to conserve biodiversity seems almost an impossibility.

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12. Comment #55025 by Thor on July 9, 2007 at 6:15 pm

 avatarIn case any of you wants to know more about Wilson and his thoughts about god and the world then you only need to go to this discussion between him and Dan Dennett from 2005 that has also been posted here:

http://richarddawkins.net/article,1187,EO-Wilson-and-Daniel-Dennett,seedmagazinecom

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13. Comment #55027 by Tridhos on July 9, 2007 at 6:34 pm

 avatarOr the discussion with James Watson absolutely brilliant.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6927851714963534233

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14. Comment #55029 by fungaljungle on July 9, 2007 at 6:41 pm

It's always great to hear Wilson speak; very calm, concise, and packed with info.

EOL.org looks great, can't wait for it to be up and running.

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15. Comment #55036 by arthursanford on July 9, 2007 at 7:45 pm

There is a good talk between E.O. Wislon and Noam Chomsky on YouTube. Look it up.

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16. Comment #55037 by arthursanford on July 9, 2007 at 7:51 pm

Sorry guys, I messed up. It's actually a discussion between Robert Trivers and Noam Chomsky. oooopppssss...

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17. Comment #55057 by 82abhilash on July 9, 2007 at 10:57 pm

I got a sense that E. O Wilson is trying to be nice and reasonable with the dogmatic and the religious. But religion is the opposite of reason. It is encapsulated in faith.

I donot think he can make any long term inroads into the world of evangelicals. But he makes for good PR, it is extremely hard to disrespect him, even if you are a right wing fundamentalists.

If people like him begin to consolidate the victories that generals like Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens , Daniel Dennet and others are winning for them, a new age of enlightenment may dawn in the near future.

E. O wilson is an important officer in the occupation force. But we need Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins in an assault team.

As you can see I am talking like military here.

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18. Comment #55086 by ricey on July 10, 2007 at 1:47 am

What a true gentleman ... my faith in Americans is restored. What a pity brash, ignorant, bullying "pastors" seem to get most of the popular media attention in that great country.

I think Prof. Wilson is correct to be conciliatory towards religious moderates - so long as both parties stick to shared basic ethics and avoid metaphysical differences. The impending crisis requires cooperation between all parties and, unfortunately, most people in the world remain religious.

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19. Comment #55103 by BicycleRepairMan on July 10, 2007 at 3:10 am

 avatarA great man, his gentle descriptions and passion is nothing short of moving to listen to. This interview is really good.

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20. Comment #55139 by fin on July 10, 2007 at 5:15 am

For those who dislike embedded video, here is a direct link to the quicktime file:

http://www.pbs.org/media/wnet/moyers/journal/1113/BMJ113_wilson_480.mov

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21. Comment #55152 by JanChan on July 10, 2007 at 5:56 am

I think that there's just 1 problem with his logic of reasoning when he talks about religion. Evolution is all about following rules of thumb, where the line that separates evolution of certain concepts of religion is still not certain. Certainly it wasn't too specific, otherwise religion wouldn't come in so many variety. However if it was really far off, such as evolutionary advantage conferred only on the consolation aspect, then religion is not necessary at all.

It's quite unthinkable for modern science to reconcile with religion, unless the religion is willing to abandon all beliefs that it values, we know Science isn't going to do that. For if we have everything that is left unexplained attributed to god, then scientific innovation is surely going to suffer. Science is interested in the truth that is as accurate as possible, religions on the other hand require faith. These two methods are the direct opposites of each other, and no reconciliation can be made without one of them stepping down.

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22. Comment #55153 by Old_Pollution on July 10, 2007 at 6:00 am

I agree with BicycleRepairMan, a great man and a good interview.

However, I'm afraid I can't see the Evangelicals changing their mindset on planet Earth being a "way station" as Wilson hopes.

The Bible teaches that Heaven is the goal to aim for. That is where you'll spend eternity (a very long time), compared with 70 odd years (if you're lucky) spent on this planet.

Muslims also believe this reality to be insubstantial, and that you can break the surface of it like you can the surface tension of water, and pass through to the other side. The important side.

It's easy to see how someone with these beliefs would not care so much about preserving eco-systems. And if you believe that the end of the world is just around the corner, you don't even have to worry about the kind of world you're going to be leaving for your children.

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23. Comment #55432 by Stephan on July 11, 2007 at 4:49 am

A great interview and truely a great man!
The only thing I disagree on is the respect for the religious community. Well, I am not militant. I have tolerance for every form of personal life style. I just cannot "greatly respect" it the way E. O. Wilson put it... but still his motive in doing that is noble and deserves my respect.

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24. Comment #55443 by KRKBAB on July 11, 2007 at 5:27 am

RICEY,
There are a lot of people in my country (USA) that need to "come out" to counteract the anti-science- "the earth is a temporary stop on the way to heaven" people. We've (American atheists) really and truly have been squashed by the "faithful" and the negative consequences of the whole of what has happened in this extraordinary country since it's inception. I think a problem that is just as big in this country, is the "junk food" style appeal of the pseudo-sciences which people cling to. So many people in this country can't seem to go strait to atheism from religious faith. They get caught up in things like astrology or new-age philosophy, or try to hang on to the "badge of faith" that seems so prevalent here. It is so frustrating in this country to have a great beginning of a conversation with someone, only to find out that they've adopted an equally non-reasoned form of some pseudo-science or post modern foggy reasoning. Any other Americans share this frustration with me? Back to the article, though- E.O Wilson calls himself a Secular Humanist! Coming from the deep south (E.O.Wilson), he really deserves lots of accolades and respect. I'd be real happy to see even a start of the online cataloging of information of all the life on earth. That would be phenomenal!

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25. Comment #55833 by JJoe on July 12, 2007 at 2:19 pm

Thanks fin for the QT download.

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26. Comment #56183 by TinyRobot on July 14, 2007 at 10:37 am

Quoting Jan Chan:
It's quite unthinkable for modern science to reconcile with religion, unless the religion is willing to abandon all beliefs that it values

I don't think it's quite accurate to say that religion would have to abandon ALL the beliefs that it values. For many people, religion is about moral guidance and social cohesion. much of that would be compatible with a form of weak deism. . . which in my (anecdotal) experience is the position of most thoughtful religious people (then again i'm european and don't have much first hand experience of fundies).

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27. Comment #56336 by RichardPrins on July 15, 2007 at 6:14 am

 avatarRecent essay/editorial:

http://www.twincities.com/opinion/ci_6342261

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28. Comment #59179 by socratzsche on July 27, 2007 at 11:51 pm

 avatarI feel somewhat guilty watching this, for I've been feeding some pesky ants honey with a pinch of boric acid. :P

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29. Comment #62768 by bluebird on August 11, 2007 at 10:02 am

 avatarThis was televised recently:

http://www.booktv.org/schedule.aspx

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