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Thursday, August 23, 2007 | Science : In the News | print version Print | Comments

Document Scientists Induce Out-of-Body Sensation

by Sandra Blakeslee, NY Times

Thanks to Michael Paver and Mark for the link.

Reposted from:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/23/science/23cnd-body.html

Using virtual reality goggles, a camera and a stick, scientists have induced out-of-body experiences — the sensation of drifting outside of one's own body — in healthy people, according to experiments being published in the journal Science.

out of body
A reprensentation of one of the scenarios scientists used to study out-of-body experiences.

When people gaze at an illusory image of themselves through the goggles and are prodded in just the right way with the stick, they feel as if they have left their bodies.

The research reveals that "the sense of having a body, of being in a bodily self," is actually constructed from multiple sensory streams, said Matthew Botvinick, an assistant professor of neuroscience at Princeton University, an expert on body and mind who was not involved in the experiments.

Usually these sensory streams, which include including vision, touch, balance and the sense of where one's body is positioned in space, work together seamlessly, Prof. Botvinick said. But when the information coming from the sensory sources does not match up, when they are thrown out of synchrony, the sense of being embodied as a whole comes apart.

The brain, which abhors ambiguity, then forces a decision that can, as the new experiments show, involve the sense of being in a different body.

The research provides a physical explanation for phenomena usually ascribed to other-worldly influences, said Peter Brugger, a neurologist at University Hospital in Zurich, Switzerland. After severe and sudden injuries, people often report the sensation of floating over their body, looking down, hearing what is said, and then, just as suddenly, find themselves back inside their body.

The new research is a first step in figuring out exactly how the brain creates this sensation, he said.

The out-of-body experiments were conducted by two research groups using slightly different methods intended to expand the so-called rubber hand illusion.

In that illusion, people hide one hand in their lap and look at a rubber hand set on a table in front of them. As a researcher strokes the real hand and the rubber hand simultaneously with a stick, people have the vivid sense that the rubber hand is their own.

When the rubber hand is whacked with a hammer, people wince and sometimes cry out.

The illusion shows that body parts can be separated from the whole body by manipulating a mismatch between touch and vision. That is, when a person's brain sees the fake hand being stroked and feels the same sensation, the sense of being touched is misattributed to the fake.

The new experiments were designed to create a whole body illusion with similar manipulations.

In Switzerland, Dr. Olaf Blanke, a neuroscientist at the École Polytechnique Fédérale in Lausanne, Switzerland, asked people to don virtual reality goggles while standing in an empty room. A camera projected an image of each person taken from the back and displayed 6 feet away. The subjects thus saw an illusory image of themselves standing in the distance.

Then Dr. Blanke stroked each person's back for one minute with a stick while simultaneously projecting the image of the stick onto the illusory image of the person's body.

When the strokes were synchronous, people reported the sensation of being momentarily within the illusory body. When the strokes were not synchronous, the illusion did not occur.

In another variation, Dr. Blanke projected a "rubber body" — a cheap mannequin bought on eBay and dressed in the same clothes as the subject — into the virtual reality goggles. With synchronous strokes of the stick, people's sense of self drifted into the mannequin.

A separate set of experiments were carried out by Dr. Henrik Ehrsson, an assistant professor of neuroscience at the Karolinska Insitutute in Helsinki.

Last year, when Dr. Ehrsson was, as he says, "a bored medical student at University College London," he wondered, he said, "what would happen if you 'took' your eyes and moved them to a different part of a room? Would you see yourself where you eyes were placed? Or from where your body was placed?"

To find out, Dr. Ehrsson asked people to sit on a chair and wear goggles connected to two video cameras placed 6 feet behind them. The left camera projected to the left eye. The right camera projected to the right eye. As a result, people saw their own backs from the perspective of a virtual person sitting behind them.

Using two sticks, Dr. Ehrsson stroked each person's chest for two minutes with one stick while moving a second stick just under the camera lenses — as if it were touching the virtual body.

Again, when the stroking was synchronous people reported the sense of being outside their own bodies — in this case looking at themselves from a distance where their "eyes" were located.

Then Dr. Ehrsson grabbed a hammer. While people were experiencing the illusion, he pretended to smash the virtual body by waving the hammer just below the cameras. Immediately, the subjects registered a threat response as measured by sensors on their skin. They sweated and their pulses raced.

They also reacted emotionally, as if they were watching themselves get hurt, Dr. Ehrsson said.

People who participated in the experiments said that they felt a sense of drifting out of their bodies but not a strong sense of floating or rotating, as is common in full-blown out of body experiences, the researchers said.

The next set of experiments will involve decoupling not just touch and vision but other aspects of sensory embodiment, including the felt sense of the body position in space and balance, they said.

Such mismatches are likely to occur naturally when multi-sensory regions of the brain are deprived of oxygen after injury or shock. Or they may be induced during sleep paralysis, the exertion of extreme sports or intense meditation practices that alter blood flow to specific brain regions.

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1. Comment #65313 by steveroot on August 23, 2007 at 2:56 pm

 avatarYeah, but it don't prove god don't exist.
Steve
(*FIRST*)

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2. Comment #65319 by Yorker on August 23, 2007 at 3:16 pm

 avatarNo, but it does prove he doesn't have a monopoly on illusions!

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3. Comment #65320 by Friend Giskard on August 23, 2007 at 3:17 pm

 avatarAnyone interested in this stuff should take a look at the fourth link down on this page:

http://www.nobeliefs.com/reads.htm

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4. Comment #65322 by mmurray on August 23, 2007 at 3:20 pm

 avatarThanks for the other links. I thought that this had been done before using magnetic fields to scramble parts of the brain.

This isn't about God existing or not existing but about whether OBE's show there is a `soul' or something that can separate from the body.

Michael

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5. Comment #65328 by sane1 on August 23, 2007 at 4:26 pm

 avatarI had an OBE when I fainted during a normally uneventful medical procedure. All about lack of oxygen to the brain. In fact, I thought I died, left my body and returned. No beleif in god; no godly experience. Just as one would expect from a world where there is no god, but plenty of god deluded people.

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6. Comment #65333 by Jack Rawlinson on August 23, 2007 at 4:42 pm

 avatarI had an OBE when I took some particularly potent acid. It was fantastic. But I'd have had to be a real idiot not to realise that it was happening because my altered brain chemistry was messing with my normal perception.

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7. Comment #65347 by nitrogenase on August 23, 2007 at 5:57 pm

After reading about the experiment, it seemed to me that at best, the results demonstrate that it is possible to simulate the sensations and perceptions associated with an OBE. How does it even begin to directly demonstrate that OBEs are 'just in the head' and not associated with a 'soul'. I can see the headlines twisting things to make it seem like more of a breakthrough than this really is. Thoughts?

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8. Comment #65353 by idragosani on August 23, 2007 at 7:08 pm

 avatarWonder how this would work on someone who had no conscious knowledge of what an OBE is (i.e., had never read about in media, seen on TV or whatever).

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9. Comment #65365 by EnsilZah on August 23, 2007 at 10:41 pm

 avatarHmm, I wonder how relevant this might be to 'Voodoo Dolls', how different the object can be from the one experiencing the sensation and whether it's a threshold or a gradient.

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10. Comment #65369 by wice on August 23, 2007 at 11:50 pm

#7 nitrogenase: you are right, just because we can create lightning in the laboratory with two electrically charged metal balls, it doesn't demonstrate that lightning is a natural process, and it is not zeus who throws thunderbolts when he is in a bad mood. it just makes it a little more likely...

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11. Comment #65374 by logical on August 24, 2007 at 12:27 am

 avatarI have been admired much at the beginning of the esoterics wave because I can do it at will.
I tried to get the knowledge of the last priestess of Isis on Elephantine to preserve what the Christians destroyed - but it did not help me to learn read the hieroglyphs.
I tried to become Hypatia, a mathematician who was literally torn up by the Christians in 417.
I still do not know more of neoplatonism and her mathematical works than the pieces which have survived.
The stories I told during these experiences were very convincing to people who knew less about these times and historical persons than I do!
But I was very disappointed and stopped to try.
All the time I have been chastised because I say "It´s brain chemistry only."
Now it´s proven.
And I am still disappointed because there seems no way to retrieve the knowledge the faithheads destroyed.

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12. Comment #65375 by aw6334 on August 24, 2007 at 12:55 am

 avatarMore research on out of body experiences...

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=363&Itemid=59

(Tongue firmly in cheek)

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13. Comment #65376 by Jiten on August 24, 2007 at 1:00 am

 avatarIt's all in the mind.

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14. Comment #65377 by mmurray on August 24, 2007 at 1:11 am

 avatar
After reading about the experiment, it seemed to me that at best, the results demonstrate that it is possible to simulate the sensations and perceptions associated with an OBE. How does it even begin to directly demonstrate that OBEs are 'just in the head' and not associated with a 'soul'. I can see the headlines twisting things to make it seem like more of a breakthrough than this really is. Thoughts?


It demonstrates that it is possible for the brain to create the feeling of an OBE with a pretty simple device. I guess that device could be making the person's astral body leave their real body but I find that implausible. Having this simple technique should also make it easier to postulate a model for how the brain is behaving when we feel like we are having an OBE. Of course you can never rule out the possibility that some people have `real' OBE's but the case against this I think is strengthened by a plausible `in brain' mechanism.

Michael

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15. Comment #65378 by pewkatchoo on August 24, 2007 at 1:34 am

 avatarSo perhaps we can now refer to this as 'Sensory Dissonance' instead of the usual Out Of Body or Astral Bodies nonsense.

More and more science is stripping away the superstitious nonsense that underpins faith. Soon the religious will be left standing in nothing but their metaphysical socks.

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16. Comment #65380 by nickthelight on August 24, 2007 at 1:39 am

 avatarThis was featured on Channel 4 news UK(1900hrs GMT)yesterday, a clip may feature on their site.

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17. Comment #65386 by Corylus on August 24, 2007 at 2:02 am

 avatar
The illusion shows that body parts can be separated from the whole body by manipulating a mismatch between touch and vision. That is, when a person's brain sees the fake hand being stroked and feels the same sensation, the sense of being touched is misattributed to the fake.

This puts me in mind of Ramachandran's experiments with 'mirror box' therapy (his book Phantoms in the Brain is fascinating if anyone is interested in this sort of thing).

This where amputees have a image of their existing limb projected onto the space where the missing one should be. They can then manipulate their "missing" limb: spectacular results had with the treatment of phantom pain.

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18. Comment #65397 by CauchySchwarz on August 24, 2007 at 3:39 am

Dr. Henrik Ehrsson, an assistant professor of neuroscience at the Karolinska Insitutute in Helsinki.

As far as I can see the Karolinska Institute haven't moved from Stockholm, but who knows maybe it's just an illusion.

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19. Comment #65398 by Quetzalcoatl on August 24, 2007 at 3:42 am

 avatarPerhaps the entire Institute is experiencing an out-of-country sensation.

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20. Comment #65428 by logical on August 24, 2007 at 6:34 am

 avatarout-of-contry sensation or: Americans are not so good on geography.
(individual variety, but New York Times is mainstream).
Just as the experience itself it does not change the physical reality.
But it can be used for healing.
And "sensory dissonance" is a very good way to put it, pewkatchoo!

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21. Comment #65478 by nitrogenase on August 24, 2007 at 12:23 pm

Apologies for reiterating, but is this statement fair:

Claiming that this research supports the notion that OBEs are simply 'in the mind' is analogous to claiming that driving a car on a Playstation casts doubt on the notion that people drive cars.

I'm not claiming that OBEs aren't fabricated by the mind. I just don't understand what these experiments really contribute to our understanding of OBEs. I'm really puzzled by the significance of this study.

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22. Comment #65511 by onclepsycho on August 24, 2007 at 2:19 pm

Nitrogenase:
the point of the study is not to show that OBEs are "simply in the mind". The cognitive and personality aspects involved in such experiences have been studied and reviewed by John Palmer, Harvey Irwin, Carlos Alvarado and Susan Blackmore at length. The neural correlates and physiological triggers of OBEs also are beginning to be understood. Check out Blanke's lab site at: http://lnco.epfl.ch/page58552.html for some papers. The significance of the study is to show experimentally that a multisensory conflict involving the whole visible body is sufficient to induce a systematic self-localization difficulty in normal, healthy subjects. One can see this as a minimal OBE, if you wish. The full-blown OBE, of course, involves a stronger multimodal and vestibular dysfunction, which hardly can be reproduced under controlled conditions.
Something that might be of some interest to atheists is the following: the third author of the new Science paper is Thomas Metzinger, a German philosopher that has this theory about OBEs being the origin of the concept of the soul (read it at: http://www.philosophie.uni-mainz.de/metzinger/publikationen/OBE_M&M_2005.pdf)

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23. Comment #65533 by sabre_truth on August 24, 2007 at 3:51 pm

Ever since I experimented with LSD as a teenager, I have frequently had out-of-body experiences. I think that this terminology is accurate because it is an experience of being outside of one's physical body, and even illusions are experiences despite the fact that they are objectively erroneous. The experiences increased in frequency and intensity after I stopped taking paroxetine, with which I had been treated for nearly 5 years.

After my first major experience, in which I thought I had travelled to the star Arcturus where a supernal being contacted me and took over control of my body while showing itself as the platonic face of all lifeforms, I entertained the possibility of some extraordinary interpretations. Over time, however, the memory of that experience and subsequent ones mainly served to demonstrate the power of neurophysiology to shape perception. I believe now that the brain is able to store vast amounts of information which can be called up to fabricate the perception of an entire universe, and it is this neurophysically generated virtual universe in which one moves in these experiences.

These days, I have on average one or two of these experiences a month. They are almost invariably preceded by an extremely intense dream which becomes lucid and I become aware that my will over my body is somehow distant from my experiential self in the dream. I usually try to forcibly regain control over my body, to wake up and move. Sometimes it becomes quite terrifying and frustrating, especially in that I there is usually a strong visual and sometimes auditory element mixing in with a perception of my real surroundings.

I have learned recently that this phenomenon is known as sleep paralysis, and I have noticed that when I finally do fully wake and regain control of my body, my eyes are extremely dry, indicating that in fact my eyes are open and I am seeing the real world mix with my dream. It is in fact not a dream which is going on, technically, but "hypnopompic hallucination". A few times, the paralysis has been absent to an extent that I have been able to sit up and began talking to the hallucinated presense of a person in the room. One time I even punched one of these hypno-people. Fortunately it was just a hallucination which didn't happen to coincide with an actual person's body.

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24. Comment #65696 by cynthax on August 25, 2007 at 6:23 pm

Corylus,
I remembered reading about treating phantom pain on Scientific American Mind. I looked for it online and here is the link, if anyone is interested in a summary of Ramachandran's experiment: http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=00009E79-2A61-1196-906983414B7F0000
They actually have a feature on the "out-of-body" experiment, here: http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=98A1FC65-E7F2-99DF-3150711A65904907&ref=sciammind

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25. Comment #66035 by Philip1978 on August 28, 2007 at 1:54 am

 avatarPuttputt,
That wasn't very constructive was it? Come on, you can do better than that!

Philip

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26. Comment #66278 by panajache69 on August 29, 2007 at 3:03 pm

 avatarI move that we remove Puttputt from the orgy invite list.

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27. Comment #117697 by Y-bloc on January 29, 2008 at 11:56 am

 avatarI don't have and problem with the idea that the human mind (the same mind that created the World Wide Web, Kevlar, the Hubble, and the Cadillac Graveyard) may be able to package up all or most of its ultra-present bits of "I AM" information and set them off-side for a few seconds of objective viewing before snapping them back up again. Our brains are obviously a lot more complex than anything we have either created or cognized with them. If we can encapsulate and move other energy-bundles, why not our own? I can imagine a million fantastic things that could go wrong in the .5 seconds that part of your energy was outside of your body too. How thrilling!

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