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Thursday, September 27, 2007 | Science : In the News | print version Print | Comments

Document Scientists Feel Miscast in Film on Life's Origin

by Cornelia Dean

Reposted from:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/27/science/27expelled.html?_r=1&n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/People/D/Dean,%20Cornelia&oref=slogin

A few months ago, the evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins received an e-mail message from a producer at Rampant Films inviting him to be interviewed for a documentary called "Crossroads."

The film, with Ben Stein, the actor, economist and freelance columnist, as its host, is described on Rampant's Web site as an examination of the intersection of science and religion. Dr. Dawkins was an obvious choice. An eminent scientist who teaches at Oxford University in England, he is also an outspoken atheist who has repeatedly likened religious faith to a mental defect.

But now, Dr. Dawkins and other scientists who agreed to be interviewed say they are surprised — and in some cases, angered — to find themselves not in "Crossroads" but in a film with a new name and one that makes the case for intelligent design, an ideological cousin of creationism. The film, "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed," also has a different producer, Premise Media.

The film is described in its online trailer as "a startling revelation that freedom of thought and freedom of inquiry have been expelled from publicly-funded high schools, universities and research institutions." According to its Web site, the film asserts that people in academia who see evidence of a supernatural intelligence in biological processes have unfairly lost their jobs, been denied tenure or suffered other penalties as part of a scientific conspiracy to keep God out of the nation's laboratories and classrooms.

Mr. Stein appears in the film's trailer, backed by the rock anthem "Bad to the Bone," declaring that he wants to unmask "people out there who want to keep science in a little box where it can't possibly touch God."

If he had known the film's premise, Dr. Dawkins said in an e-mail message, he would never have appeared in it. "At no time was I given the slightest clue that these people were a creationist front," he said.

Eugenie C. Scott, a physical anthropologist who heads the National Center for Science Education, said she agreed to be filmed after receiving what she described as a deceptive invitation.

"I have certainly been taped by people and appeared in productions where people's views are different than mine, and that's fine," Dr. Scott said, adding that she would have appeared in the film anyway. "I just expect people to be honest with me, and they weren't."

The growing furor over the movie, visible in blogs, on Web sites and in conversations among scientists, is the latest episode in the long-running conflict between science and advocates of intelligent design, who assert that the theory of evolution has obvious scientific flaws and that students should learn that intelligent design, a creationist idea, is an alternative approach.

There is no credible scientific challenge to the theory of evolution as an explanation for the complexity and diversity of life on earth. And while individual scientists may embrace religious faith, the scientific enterprise looks to nature to answer questions about nature. As scientists at Iowa State University put it last year, supernatural explanations are "not within the scope or abilities of science."

Mr. Stein, a freelance columnist who writes Everybody's Business for The New York Times, conducts the film's on-camera interviews. The interviews were lined up for him by others, and he denied misleading anyone. "I don't remember a single person asking me what the movie was about," he said in a telephone interview.

Walt Ruloff, a producer and partner in Premise Media, also denied that there was any deception. Mr. Ruloff said in a telephone interview that Rampant Films was a Premise subsidiary, and that the movie's title was changed on the advice of marketing experts, something he said was routine in filmmaking. He said the film would open in February and would not be available for previews until January.

Judging from material posted online and interviews with people who appear in the film, it cites several people as victims of persecution, including Richard Sternberg, a biologist and an unpaid research associate at the National Museum of Natural History, and Guillermo Gonzalez, an astrophysicist denied tenure at Iowa State University this year.

Dr. Sternberg was at the center of a controversy over a paper published in 2004 in Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington, a peer-reviewed publication he edited at the time. The paper contended that an intelligent agent was a better explanation than evolution for the so-called Cambrian explosion, a great diversification of life forms that occurred hundreds of millions of years ago.

The paper's appearance in a peer-reviewed journal was a coup for intelligent design advocates, but the Council of the Biological Society of Washington, which publishes the journal, almost immediately repudiated it, saying it had appeared without adequate review.

Dr. Gonzalez is an astrophysicist and co-author of "The Privileged Planet: How Our Place in the Cosmos Is Designed for Discovery" (Regnery, 2004). The book asserts that earth's ability to support complex life is a result of supernatural intervention.

Dr. Gonzalez's supporters say his views cost him tenure at Iowa State. University officials said their decision was based, among other things, on his record of scientific publications while he was at the university.

Mr. Stein, a prolific author who has acted in movies like "Ferris Bueller's Day Off" and appeared on television programs including "Win Ben Stein's Money" on Comedy Central, said in a telephone interview that he accepted the producers' invitation to participate in the film not because he disavows the theory of evolution — he said there was a "very high likelihood" that Darwin was on to something — but because he does not accept that evolution alone can explain life on earth.

He said he also believed the theory of evolution leads to racism and ultimately genocide, an idea common among creationist thinkers. If it were up to him, he said, the film would be called "From Darwin to Hitler."

On a blog on the "Expelled" Web site, one writer praised Mr. Stein as "a public-intellectual-freedom-fighter" who was taking on "a tough topic with a bit of humor." Others rejected the film's arguments as "stupid," "fallacious" or "moronic," or described intelligent design as the equivalent of suggesting that the markets moved "at the whim of a monetary fairy."

Mr. Ruloff, a Canadian who lives in British Columbia, said he turned to filmmaking after selling his software company in the 1990s. He said he decided to make "Expelled," his first project, after he became interested in genomics and biotechnology but discovered "there are certain questions you are just not allowed to ask and certain approaches you are just not allowed to take."

He said he knew researchers, whom he would not name, who had studied cellular mechanisms and made findings "riddled with metaphysical implications" and suggestive of an intelligent designer. But they are afraid to report them, he said.

Mr. Ruloff also cited Dr. Francis S. Collins, a geneticist who directs the National Human Genome Research Institute and whose book, "The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief" (Simon & Schuster, 2006), explains how he came to embrace his Christian faith. Dr. Collins separates his religious beliefs from his scientific work only because "he is toeing the party line," Mr. Ruloff said.

That's "just ludicrous," Dr. Collins said in a telephone interview. While many of his scientific colleagues are not religious and some are "a bit puzzled" by his faith, he said, "they are generally very respectful." He said that if the problem Mr. Ruloff describes existed, he is certain he would know about it.

Dr. Collins was not asked to participate in the film.

Another scientist who was, P. Z. Myers, a biologist at the University of Minnesota, Morris, said the film's producers had misrepresented its purpose, but said he would have agreed to an interview anyway. But, he said in a posting on The Panda's Thumb Web site, he would have made a "more aggressive" attack on the claims of the movie.

Dr. Scott, whose organization advocates for the teaching of evolution and against what it calls the intrusion of creationism and other religious doctrines in science classes, said the filmmakers were exploiting Americans' sense of fairness as a way to sell their religious views. She said she feared the film would depict "the scientific community as intolerant, as close-minded, and as persecuting those who disagree with them. And this is simply wrong."

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1. Comment #74180 by 160261621c on September 27, 2007 at 2:53 pm

Thankfully I don't think this movie will appeal to the masses. And those that do watch it will be the type of people looking for the vast, vast number of flaws sure to riddle the film.

I'll probably watch it for a good laugh.

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2. Comment #74191 by js5535 on September 27, 2007 at 3:45 pm

 avatar"If it were up to him, he said, the film would be called "From Darwin to Hitler.""

"My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter."

-Adolf Hitler

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3. Comment #74196 by Damien White on September 27, 2007 at 4:15 pm

He said he also believed the theory of evolution leads to racism and ultimately genocide, an idea common among creationist thinkers. If it were up to him, he said, the film would be called "From Darwin to Hitler."

The above refers to eugenics, where 'bad' genes are forcibly removed from the gene pool. Unfortunately, this would not occur but for the scientific discovery of what genes are. What the speaker fails to address is the racism and genocide that are manifest within religion too.

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4. Comment #74204 by chauvinj on September 27, 2007 at 4:45 pm

"He said he also believed the theory of evolution leads to racism and ultimately genocide, an idea common among creationist thinkers."

Um...this is obviously a statement from ignorance. Anyone who understands the implications of Darwinism, also understands that it makes racism impossible.

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5. Comment #74207 by joekoz451 on September 27, 2007 at 4:55 pm

So, we're assuming that "truth" is a Christian (Creationist) value? It seems to me that deception is right in character ...

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6. Comment #74208 by JamesDB on September 27, 2007 at 5:11 pm

 avatarThis is a pretty funny article as i remember reading the post by pz myers before. Ignorance Ignorace Ignorace. Stop trying to sell everyone creationism, its getting old. I also don't like that the director is from B.C. seeing as thats where i live, I was hoping we were moving in the right direction in this part of the world, im wrong again though.

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7. Comment #74209 by BMMcArdle on September 27, 2007 at 5:17 pm

The world's foremost biologists, geologists, and paleontologists are a bunch of incompetent nincompoops!

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8. Comment #74218 by Liveliest Crib on September 27, 2007 at 6:28 pm

For anyone interested, this story has been picked up by the progressive, U.S. blog, Crooks and Liars.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/09/27/who-wants-to-be-in-ben-steins-movie/

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9. Comment #74226 by riemann on September 27, 2007 at 8:23 pm

"I don't remember a single person asking me what the movie was about," he said in a telephone interview.


This sounds somewhat like the Paranoid Android Marvin, who knew the meaning of life, but didn't bother to tell anyone, because no one had ever asked him.

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10. Comment #74251 by elfinabout on September 28, 2007 at 1:29 am

 avatarHere's another example of the alleged atheism of Hitler for you, js5535:

"I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews, I am doing the Lord's work". ~ Adolf Hitler

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11. Comment #74252 by Rachel Holmes on September 28, 2007 at 1:30 am

Of course no-one aked him what the movie was about. "Rampart" had already lied to the interviewees by telling them it was about the intersection between science and religion. The article tells us that this is what Rampart's website said.

Is there no depth to which these creeps won't stoop?

And has it never crossed their minds that an argument that can't be made without resorting to deception probably is't a very good argument?

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12. Comment #74253 by Northern Bright on September 28, 2007 at 1:30 am

 avatarFor sheer, twisted deviousness, you've just got to hand it to the fundies, haven't you.

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13. Comment #74259 by epeeist on September 28, 2007 at 1:56 am

 avatarComment #74218 by Liveliest Crib

For anyone interested, this story has been picked up by the progressive, U.S. blog, Crooks and Liars.
And in today's Guardian - http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2179047,00.html

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14. Comment #74260 by sornord on September 28, 2007 at 2:02 am

Can the producers be sued? Seems an arguable case for fraud to me.

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15. Comment #74265 by epeeist on September 28, 2007 at 2:17 am

 avatarDante has come up in a couple of posts recently, so it might be instructive to look at what Ben Stein might be in for.

It looks to me as though he has committed a "sin of the wolf" and belongs in the 8th circle of hell, either in Bolgia 9 or 10.

In Bolgia 9 he will be torn apart by demons, his wounds will heal and then the process will start all over again.

In Bolgia 10 he sounds as though he has going to have some pretty nasty scabs, he might be able to scratch but all his skin is going to come off as well.

I really like the loving nature of Christianity...

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16. Comment #74266 by Northern Bright on September 28, 2007 at 2:21 am

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I really like the loving nature of Christianity...

It's Christianity's love of truth, honesty, sincerity, transparency and integrity that most appeals to me.

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17. Comment #74271 by Canuck#1 on September 28, 2007 at 2:39 am

 avatarIf you can't trust a christian, who can you trust..so damn devious...sermon titles..."When a Lie Is Not a Sin", "How To Make Fools of Atheists", "God Wins Again..With a Little help From His Friends"...now I understand the phrase..Jesus wept..

canuck12.blog...a new piece on prayer

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18. Comment #74279 by Roger Stanyard on September 28, 2007 at 3:21 am

We are just about to start digging around on another creationist trick, this time in the UK.

I've issued this request for help to DebunkCreation and was wondering whether anyone here might be able to help. There is a posting about it on the BCSE web site at www.bcse.org.uk :

Does anyone in the group know much about Franklin Graham, the son of
Billy Graham?

We've been tipped off that a member or members of his organisation
have been sneaking creationism into British schools without parents
knowing.

Wat we are trying to find out is whether Franklin Graham is a
creationist and to what extent he is regarded as a fundamentalist. He
seems to be active within the American Religious Right movement but
we are weak on details.

He's got an operation in the UK which has an annual income of around
$12m (US$24m) a year so he is no small fry.

What the trick being played appears to consist of is getting schools
to orgaise their children to full shoe boxes full of presents for
children in third world countries. The schools and parents are not
told that it is an evangelical organisation behind what is going on.
Once the full shoe boxes are collected, Graham's charity then adds
evengelical recruitment literature to them. Those supplyng the boxes
don't know this.

However because the whole thing is organised within British schools,
the representatives of the charity are allowed into them to talk to
the children. It is at this stage, it appears, that some of them
start pushing creationism onto the children. Sneaky, isn't it?

Don't forget that there is no separation of church and state in the
UK. They aren't doing anything that can be challenged in law. Are
they doing this sort of thing in the USA?

Billy Graham is quite well known in the UK but really hasn't had any
impact since the 1950s or early 60s. Franklin Graham is not well
known at all.

Roger Stanyard, British Centre for Science Education

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19. Comment #74281 by Myryama on September 28, 2007 at 3:23 am

Is it a coincidence that Ben Stein's initials are shorthand for something else? Maybe God is having a little joke at his expense...

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20. Comment #74304 by Galactor on September 28, 2007 at 4:45 am

 avatarI found this article about Franklin Graham:

www.counterpunch.org/chuckman04262003.html

I cannot vouch for the website but it seems suitably critical for it to be worthy of reading. I had a quick look at the Wikipedia entry for Billy Graham who by seems to be on death's doorstep. Apparently, Franklin has taken over the reins and has good contacts with Dubya.

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21. Comment #74307 by Galactor on September 28, 2007 at 4:54 am

 avatarAnother shocking report (again, unverified) from the same website as given above about Franklin Graham and an organisation in which he is involved:

http://www.counterpunch.org/cajee04112003.html

The reports are from 2003.

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22. Comment #74308 by epeeist on September 28, 2007 at 4:54 am

 avatarComment #74279 by Roger Stanyard

I've issued this request for help to DebunkCreation and was wondering whether anyone here might be able to help. There is a posting about it on the BCSE web site at www.bcse.org.uk :
Your URL is wrong.

Ah yes, Operation Christmas Child, how nice does that sound.

Have you found http://www.inminds.co.uk/occ.html

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23. Comment #74314 by bamboospitfire on September 28, 2007 at 5:27 am

 avatarMy first reaction was "Injunction!" but, even if it was possible, do we want anyone to think the scientific community has anything to hide? Will it not be more damaging to the creationist cause if the film is allowed to be released to a public which knows the filmmakers to be frauds? As for Stein commenting that no-one had asked him what it was about, presumably that's because they had already been told - a pack of lies.

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24. Comment #74317 by Roger Stanyard on September 28, 2007 at 5:34 am

Sorry all.

The BCSE web site is at www.bcseweb.org.uk

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25. Comment #74320 by scottishgeologist on September 28, 2007 at 5:41 am

 avatarIs Franklins UK organisation not "Samaritans Purse"? I first came across this a few years ago, when there was a shoebox collection in a local , wait for it , "evangelical" charismaniac church.

Franklin Graham is a dangerous nutjob. How about this quote from an interview - its available on CNN

http://cgi.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/14/lt.01.html

In particular:


And this may sound rough, Judy, but we need to use every weapon in our arsenal that need be to defeat this enemy. And I don't think we should hold back. And we'll make a great mistake if we hold back our technology and hold back our weapons and put young men and women in there and sacrifice them because we're scared to use some of our major weapons. And I think we're going to have to use every -- and I hate to say it, hellish weapon in our inventory, if need be, to defeat these people.

and later on:

But let's use the weapons we have, the weapons of mass destruction if need be and destroy the enemy.


Obviously a rapture ready, armageddonist.

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26. Comment #74337 by frikkenkids on September 28, 2007 at 7:21 am

I used to be a fan of Ben Stein. He's such a smart guy. I watched his quiz show all the time and he was always impressive - accept of course for his bewildering loyalty to Nixon.

That "From Darwin to Hitler" thing, though, shows an utterly unbelievable ignorance - an ignorance that has to be willful. He's well enough read that he could know the truth if he had even the remotest interest in it. Now instead of being a fan, I feel pity for the poor bugger. How could he know so much, and yet know so little?

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27. Comment #74338 by Philip1978 on September 28, 2007 at 7:27 am

 avatarfrikkenkids
See Francis Collins for the ultimate in "man who knows so much but lets himself down believing in the invisible!"

I can't stand all this chicanery that the religious get up to in issues like this, if they had been honest they could have provided both sides of the opinions and been objective about it all but no, obfuscation is the way forward! Not doing much good for their cause is it?

Philip

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28. Comment #74341 by Alter_GX on September 28, 2007 at 7:37 am

 avatarExpelled: No Intelligence Allowed

At least the title has some truth, No Intelligence is needed/allowed for religion

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29. Comment #74359 by OsakaGuy on September 28, 2007 at 8:30 am

 avatarI already mentioned it in the forums, but if you had the hard-copy of the NY Times there was a picture for this article captioned "Richard Dawkins" except it was Peter Atkins! (another fine scientist so I doubt either would be offended.)

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30. Comment #74366 by Matt7895 on September 28, 2007 at 8:59 am

 avatarMaybe there's a legal action Richard can pursue in regards to this shameful documentary?

Or, maybe he can make another documentary for Channel 4, aiming directly at creationism.

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31. Comment #74371 by ericcolumba on September 28, 2007 at 9:59 am

 avatarLies,Damn lies and fundies

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32. Comment #74377 by Klaatu barada nikto on September 28, 2007 at 10:49 am

 avatarI had never heard of the Darwin to Hitler crap until I heard it on a Christian Radio Station. They were exclusively referencing this book http://www.darwintohitler.com/. I'm sure its author will be in the movie to help out the non-readers.

This Hitler nonsense makes me wonder… What would have happened if Hitler had an atheist audience for his speeches? chirp……chirp……chirp……etc.

Why is there never a Nazi connection to Mendel? Genetics would seem to be a more appropriate science to achieve the "Master Race". Besides, is it actually necessary to consult science or would casual observation tell what would happen if certain individuals were eliminated from the gene pool?

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33. Comment #74385 by captain underpants on September 28, 2007 at 11:36 am

 avatarThe film claims that Christians are being censored, discriminated against etc. Hence the title: "Expelled". This is very reminiscent of similar claims made by neonazis.

One of interviewees is Wolf-Ekkehard Loennig, a geneticist at the Max Planck Institute in Cologne, who is also a proponent of ID. Said gentleman posted ID related writings of his on the Institute's website. These articles were subsequently removed from the server, and rightly so. ID does not belong on the website of a scientific institute. This is the "discrimination" and "censorship" that the religionists are wailing about. Typical fundamentalists. Liars and spineless wankers.

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34. Comment #74396 by CHeard on September 28, 2007 at 2:21 pm

Myryama (19)
Is it a coincidence that Ben Stein's initials are shorthand for something else? Maybe God is having a little joke at his expense...
Heh. The same holds for my academic field, "biblical studies." And in the US Library of Congress cataloging system, the call number on all books about the Bible starts with "BS …" Which means I have shelves full of BS in my office.

Matt7895 (30)
Maybe there's a legal action Richard can pursue in regards to this shameful documentary?
Probably not, as he almost certainly signed a release or waiver to allow his likeness and interview to be used in the film itself. I've had a similar experience myself, though I think not as egregious as what Richard, Eugenie, PZ etc. experienced (http://www.heardworld.com/higgaion/?p=744).

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35. Comment #74397 by Ashley1319 on September 28, 2007 at 2:46 pm

I had been waiting to see what would happen with this 'movie' for some time. I am quite shocked to hear that Professor Dawkins and other scientists were swindled into appearing in the movie. Well, they can only make the movie better, in my opinion, Ben Stein and his sneak thief cohorts will need it.

Klaatu Barada Nikto:

Why is there never a Nazi connection to Mendel?


Mendel was a monk, which excused him of just trying to thwart the religious, and instead b/c just a poor misguided soul. I would also wager that b/c Mendel lived in near silence, they didn't think of him as a threat. Darwin was a pest, b/c he actually published and spoke his ideas aloud, and b/c he snubbed the religious creationism.

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36. Comment #74445 by dlitt on September 28, 2007 at 11:14 pm

 avatar
Mr. Ruloff, a Canadian who lives in British Columbia,...


Bummer! He's in my yard.

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37. Comment #74478 by Apate on September 29, 2007 at 4:22 am

"He said he also believed the theory of evolution leads to racism and ultimately genocide, an idea common among creationist thinkers."

Like most creationists / self-appointed ID "experts", they confuse Darwinism with Social Darwinism - a widely discredited ideology that holds that (a rare example of) group selection should enter human societies and "survival of the fittest" plays out between races and ethnicities. It dates back to the first part of the 20th century and as far as I am aware, no serious scientist or philosopher advocates Social Darwinism currently.
Also - as Klaatu barada nikto correctly noted- the name of "From Darwin to Hitler" is a reference to Richard Weikart's book 'From Darwin to Hitler, Evolutionary Ethics, Eugenics and Racism in Germany' - perhaps Stein's only familiarity with his concept of Evolution and branded version of science.

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38. Comment #74483 by Veronique on September 29, 2007 at 5:02 am

 avatarIt's worthwhile repeating this Hitler quote:

My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and saviour as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognised the Jews for what they were and summonded men to fight against them and for who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.

Chilling stuff
V

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39. Comment #74492 by TinyRobot on September 29, 2007 at 6:20 am

Since the Darwin to Hitler nonsense has been raised by several people may i recommend the following article by the inimitable Hector Avalos, entitled 'Creationists for Genocide' and available here:
http://www.talkreason.org/articles/Genocide.cfm

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40. Comment #75392 by slocks on October 2, 2007 at 1:55 pm

Roger - I have spent some time investigating Operation Christmas Child, delving deeply into their websites and reports to the faithful, writing to the organisers and a long discussion with my local organiser. I have also had success with persuading my daughter's school that this is an inappropriate "charity". I put together a website following researching into this - have a look at http://www.geocities.com/occcriticism/ and feel free to contact me (contact links there).

In particular people should see the nauseating leaflet that is handed out to children directly aimed at turning young children into Christians and comes complete with a "sinner's prayer" of conversion and a pledge card to spread the word. http://www.mostimportantstory.org/mi

Steve

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41. Comment #75478 by Teratornis on October 2, 2007 at 7:06 pm

 avatarWhen creationists credit evolutionary theory for leading to racism, are they giving it a compliment? Because some of the most racially segregated institutions in the United States are the churches. How many of those SUV-driving, white, suburbanite creationist gaswasting terrorist supporters will demonstrate their lack of racism by reversing their white flight to the suburbs, and buy homes and school their children in close proximity to the people they (possibly) deny being prejudiced against?

My guess: virtually none. Racism remains extremely popular in the United States, with most people choosing to live in neighborhoods dominated by people who superficially resemble them. What's become unpopular is admitting to how strongly most U.S. citizens prefer this.

The degree of informal apartheid here is apparent in the sharply different dialects of English spoken by people who have lived for generations within walking distance of each other.

How many of the "intelligent design" advocates who seek to have "all" views represented equally in the classroom also want their children to be schooled with classmates from all races? Let's not forget who loudly protested court-ordered busing of students to achieve racial "balance" not long ago: the same Bible-thumping Christian rightists who are now demanding nonsense to be taught in schools.

It's interesting that Darwin's theory of evolution first appeared in print just around the time that the United States was fighting a vicious civil war to dismantle its most egregious example of institutionalized racism. The spread of Darwinism did not lead to a re-establishment of slavery in the United States. Quite the contrary, the spread of Darwinism correlated with an expansion of civil rights to women and minorities, although I'm not suggesting the relationship was necessarily causal (it might have been, but I don't know).

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42. Comment #75481 by Goldy on October 2, 2007 at 7:13 pm

From Darwin to Hitler - poor Wallace must be spinning in his grave. I can hear his voice from here..."Oi, I helped! I also had the same idea! It wasn't only Darwin!"
Poor lad - being second always sucks...

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43. Comment #90316 by willbonds on November 24, 2007 at 9:15 am

Mr. Ruloff. Hmm. I was once told that PC was the state religion of Canada.

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44. Comment #116221 by Vermin on January 25, 2008 at 9:55 pm

 avatarQuite typical of christians, as the religious are surly the most dishonest of people. I wasn't surprised by this at all.

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