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Thursday, October 25, 2007 | Science : Teaching Science | print version Print | Comments

Document American kids, dumber than dirt: Warning: The next generation might just be the biggest pile of idiots in U.S. history

by Mark Morford, SF Gate

Reposted from:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2007/10/24/notes102407.DTL&nl=fix

markI have this ongoing discussion with a longtime reader who also just so happens to be a longtime Oakland high school teacher, a wonderful guy who's seen generations of teens come and generations go and who has a delightful poetic sensibility and quirky outlook on his life and his family and his beloved teaching career.

And he often writes to me in response to something I might've written about the youth of today, anything where I comment on the various nefarious factors shaping their minds and their perspectives and whether or not, say, EMFs and junk food and cell phones are melting their brains and what can be done and just how bad it might all be.

His response: It is not bad at all. It's absolutely horrifying.

My friend often summarizes for me what he sees, firsthand, every day and every month, year in and year out, in his classroom. He speaks not merely of the sad decline in overall intellectual acumen among students over the years, not merely of the astonishing spread of lazy slackerhood, or the fact that cell phones and iPods and excess TV exposure are, absolutely and without reservation, short-circuiting the minds of the upcoming generations. Of this, he says, there is zero doubt.

Nor does he speak merely of the notion that kids these days are overprotected and wussified and don't spend enough time outdoors and don't get any real exercise and therefore can't, say, identify basic plants, or handle a tool, or build, well, anything at all. Again, these things are a given. Widely reported, tragically ignored, nothing new.

No, my friend takes it all a full step — or rather, leap — further. It is not merely a sad slide. It is not just a general dumbing down. It is far uglier than that.

We are, as far as urban public education is concerned, essentially at rock bottom. We are now at a point where we are essentially churning out ignorant teens who are becoming ignorant adults and society as a whole will pay dearly, very soon, and if you think the hordes of easily terrified, mindless fundamentalist evangelical Christian lemmings have been bad for the soul of this country, just wait.

It's gotten so bad that, as my friend nears retirement, he says he is very seriously considering moving out of the country so as to escape what he sees will be the surefire collapse of functioning American society in the next handful of years due to the absolutely irrefutable destruction, the shocking — and nearly hopeless — dumb-ification of the American brain. It is just that bad.

Now, you may think he's merely a curmudgeon, a tired old teacher who stopped caring long ago. Not true. Teaching is his life. He says he loves his students, loves education and learning and watching young minds awaken. Problem is, he is seeing much less of it. It's a bit like the melting of the polar ice caps. Sure, there's been alarmist data about it for years, but until you see it for yourself, the deep visceral dread doesn't really hit home.

He cites studies, reports, hard data, from the appalling effects of television on child brain development (i.e.; any TV exposure before 6 years old and your kid's basic cognitive wiring and spatial perceptions are pretty much scrambled for life), to the fact that, because of all the insidious mandatory testing teachers are now forced to incorporate into the curriculum, of the 182 school days in a year, there are 110 when such testing is going on somewhere at Oakland High. As one of his colleagues put it, "It's like weighing a calf twice a day, but never feeding it."

But most of all, he simply observes his students, year to year, noting all the obvious evidence of teens' decreasing abilities when confronted with even the most basic intellectual tasks, from understanding simple history to working through moderately complex ideas to even (in a couple recent examples that particularly distressed him) being able to define the words "agriculture," or even "democracy." Not a single student could do it.

It gets worse. My friend cites the fact that, of the 6,000 high school students he estimates he's taught over the span of his career, only a small fraction now make it to his grade with a functioning understanding of written English. They do not know how to form a sentence. They cannot write an intelligible paragraph. Recently, after giving an assignment that required drawing lines, he realized that not a single student actually knew how to use a ruler.

It is, in short, nothing less than a tidal wave of dumb, with once-passionate, increasingly exasperated teachers like my friend nearly powerless to stop it. The worst part: It's not the kids' fault. They're merely the victims of a horribly failed educational system.

Then our discussion often turns to the meat of it, the bigger picture, the ugly and unavoidable truism about the lack of need among the government and the power elite in this nation to create a truly effective educational system, one that actually generates intelligent, thoughtful, articulate citizens.

Hell, why should they? After all, the dumber the populace, the easier it is to rule and control and launch unwinnable wars and pass laws telling them that sex is bad and TV is good and God knows all, so just pipe down and eat your Taco Bell Double-Supremo Burrito and be glad we don't arrest you for posting dirty pictures on your cute little blog.

This is about when I try to offer counterevidence, a bit of optimism. For one thing, I've argued generational relativity in this space before, suggesting maybe kids are no scarier or dumber or more dangerous than they've ever been, and that maybe some of the problem is merely the same old awkward generation gap, with every current generation absolutely convinced the subsequent one is terrifically stupid and malicious and will be the end of society as a whole. Just the way it always seems.

I also point out how, despite all the evidence of total public-education meltdown, I keep being surprised, keep hearing from/about teens and youth movements and actions that impress the hell out of me. Damn kids made the Internet what it is today, fer chrissakes. Revolutionized media. Broke all the rules. Still are.

Hell, some of the best designers, writers, artists, poets, chefs, and so on that I meet are in their early to mid-20s. And the nation's top universities are still managing, despite a factory-churning mentality, to crank out young minds of astonishing ability and acumen. How did these kids do it? How did they escape the horrible public school system? How did they avoid the great dumbing down of America? Did they never see a TV show until they hit puberty? Were they all born and raised elsewhere, in India and Asia and Russia? Did they all go to Waldorf or Montessori and eat whole-grain breads and play with firecrackers and take long walks in wild nature? Are these kids flukes? Exceptions? Just lucky?

My friend would say, well, yes, that's precisely what most of them are. Lucky, wealthy, foreign-born, private-schooled ... and increasingly rare. Most affluent parents in America — and many more who aren't — now put their kids in private schools from day one, and the smart ones give their kids no TV and minimal junk food and no video games. (Of course, this in no way guarantees a smart, attuned kid, but compared to the odds of success in the public school system, it sure seems to help). This covers about, what, 3 percent of the populace?

As for the rest, well, the dystopian evidence seems overwhelming indeed, to the point where it might be no stretch at all to say the biggest threat facing America is perhaps not global warming, not perpetual warmongering, not garbage food or low-level radiation or way too much Lindsay Lohan, but a populace far too ignorant to know how to properly manage any of it, much less change it all for the better.

What, too fatalistic? Don't worry. Soon enough, no one will know what the word even means.

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1. Comment #81604 by Philip1978 on October 25, 2007 at 12:45 am

 avatarI think this is happening in England too, the chavs (Google the word, you will understand after that!)are taking over the place, procreating like there is no tomorrow because they know they get benefits from the government etc for having more kids. I have noticed where I live there are loads and loads of families whose parents dont work and live off the state by increasing their kid numbers. Their idea of fun is to sell drugs for extra money, spray paint everywhere and destroy things "cos its fackin' funny innit!"


I fear I might be generalising here, tell me if I am wrong and I will retract my words, but I have this sinking feeling that the people who probably should be having kids only have one or not at all and those who are not aiding society are producing a generation.

Yikes!

Philip

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2. Comment #81610 by Zakie Chan on October 25, 2007 at 1:01 am

 avatarI like to think I am reasonably well educated. I have a college degree and read a lot of books. However, I lived in Canada for a year (Vancouver), and I was continually blown away by how smart my Canadian friends were. I was there for film school, and a lot of my friends didn't have college degrees, but you would have never known.

I hate to say it, but in my experience they were way more knowledgeable that a lot of Americans I know. Especially with science!

Mind blowingly enough (to me), most of them had never even heard of creationism. When I explained what it was, a few said that they had heard about it on American TV and thought it was a joke. They were right in more ways than they could have known lol!

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3. Comment #81625 by BAEOZ on October 25, 2007 at 1:27 am

 avatarSometimes I think something similar is happening here in OZ. Not as bad as the US yet, but the politicians now just give 10s slogans because voters can't or wont reason or think for themselves. Money is taken from the public school system and given to the private system. So the poor have a much lower standard of education than the rich.
It's all Circus and Bread I tell ya! The Romans did it. Keep 'em fed and ignorant and they'll do whatever you wish.
Phillip I was thinking Chav came from the Spanish Chaval (lad) but it comes from the Roma, which makes sense as there are a lot of gypsies (Roma) in Spain and so more than a few words of Roma origin in Spanish. Thanks for teaching me a new word. We'd probably call them bogans or bludgers here. They aren't so culturally influential or numerous (as far as I know) to have there on denomination....yet.

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4. Comment #81630 by Goldy on October 25, 2007 at 1:37 am

Lived near the Hexham estate in Reading and was a meter reader for a short spell so got to meet a bunch of....well, guess they were chavs as they fit the stereotype (term seemed to come into vogue after I came to NZ). I was horrified at the sheer fuckwittery of some of the people I had to meet in the course of reading these damn meters! People I would not trust to sit the right way on a toilet. I guess it made me hellishly snobby - but really, what else could I be?
I liked Canadians too. Mind you, I was in Alberta working in the oil industry, so met a few rather dim examples. But they were, on the whole, a mite smarter than the Americans when we went to Tulsa to learn to drive big trucks. Trouble with Alberta was that they had heard of Creationism there. Seem to recall a big uproar when they tried to bring in a law or something giving gays equal rights (in housing and job security, mainly, I think).
Kiwis are OK - just don't tell them they're fucking arrogant when it comes to rugby ;-)

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5. Comment #81631 by pyota on October 25, 2007 at 1:37 am

 avatari give this alarmist article little credence; i think its always been like this. the intellectual elite has always been a tiny fraction of the population, and the rest are, well, sheep. the one disturbing change i do see in recent years is the rise of video gaming. these games are designed to be as addictive as possible and they sap away all the time that could be spent reading. i don't object to tv so much as it can be a learning tool (obviously 95% of 'content' doesn't qualify as educational, but that can be changed).

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6. Comment #81632 by scottishgeologist on October 25, 2007 at 1:37 am

 avatarPhilip

Yes, youre right I think. In Scotland we call the chavs "neds" and there are whole communities that are full of them.

But there is another side as well. Standards in written English have plummeted - and it is made worse by that hideous "dumb text speak" crap that appears in places where it is totally unnecessary. U no what I mean? Gr8 innit, 2 B so k3wl?

I was talking to a teacher about this recently and she said she has lost count of the number of essays that she has had to return to pupils because of this crap

By way of an illustration of what we may be up against:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/6589301.stm

SG

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7. Comment #81639 by Goldy on October 25, 2007 at 1:41 am

Ooooh, don't get me started on text shit!

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8. Comment #81644 by elfinabout on October 25, 2007 at 1:52 am

 avatarI'm afraid I must agree with the prognosis. I live in Brighton (on the South coast of England), and we're seeing it here too - growing numbers of estates filled with tracksuits and fake gold.

Attempting to communicate with these people on any meaningful level is futile. We are (over)breeding a generation of idiots, because our government has created a welfare society that panders to young people dropping out of school, getting a council flat, and having as many babies as they want - and handing out a subsidy for each.

There's no sense of responsibility or ownership of the facilities and services we as a nation pay for, and so things get smashed and covered with graffiti - no problem, the bottomless magic purse will appear and replace it.

I am of the opinion that our government is also actively dumbing down the populace, and I am saddened.

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9. Comment #81678 by DreadPirate on October 25, 2007 at 3:03 am

 avatarHave to mention that I think it is commonplace experience where pressure overall on parents mean that time which could be spent expanding kids minds in the early formative years needs to be spend on keeping income flowing and responding to that job which is nearly 80 hours per week, not forty. Putting your little over-compensated dahling in front of the TV in their playpen watching a DVD is adequate enough quality time while you get that email off to your VP about the last quarterly report.

Enough of a rant, I am choosing to put my head in the sand on this one and go grab a Taco Bell Double-Supremo Burrito!

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10. Comment #81681 by briancoughlanworldcitizen on October 25, 2007 at 3:07 am

 avatarFinally! An area where GWB is a frontrunner. The leader in the Olympics of dumb, why am I not surprised ....

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11. Comment #81682 by BathTub on October 25, 2007 at 3:09 am

I think it's becoming clearer and clearer, that if I am ever lucky enough to have kids, that I must never let them watch television. Well at least in a babysitting sense.

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12. Comment #81687 by eoinc on October 25, 2007 at 3:25 am

Oh, come on! How many people here went to public schools, have cell phones, iPods (or equivalent), watch TV, play video games or eat junk food? Quite a lot of us, I'll bet. The problem is one of attitudes, which I think are derived largely from the parents. Is education valued by the family? I was lucky: both my parents are teachers, so they value education very highly. This value became imprinted onto me, and so I turned out just fine, despite having watched TV, played video games, gone to a public school, and all the rest of it.

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13. Comment #81689 by Duff on October 25, 2007 at 3:27 am

Perhaps a bit of an over reaction, this article.
I'm smarter than my parents and my children are a heck of a lot smarter than I. There was a recent survey conducted somewhere her in America and it found the one thing these young people were most interested in was becoming good parents.
I wouldn't be so upset, if I were you.

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14. Comment #81692 by Theocrapcy on October 25, 2007 at 3:39 am

 avatarThe answer is simple.

School uniforms.



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15. Comment #81698 by Philip1978 on October 25, 2007 at 3:51 am

 avatareoinc

I completely agree with you there, I pretty much fit your bill there, I went to public school etc

I think what is really being rallied against is what elfinabout has typed, that the Governments are to blame for some of this apathy, giving praise to slobbish behaviour and no encouragement to do better and improve.

To give you an example, the Government wants to charge higher council taxes for those who recycle more and for those who live near decent schools. So by that impression we should all move to ghettos, dont recycle anything and have crap schools because you can get rewarded better for it. If you have a load of kids, commit a few petty crimes then the Government are there to help you find a house and look after your kids as long as you don't get married
Schools are being encouraged to sell their playing fields to build housing - Kids cannot get out and play sport- great idea!

So I am a law abiding chap, I don't do drugs, I pay my taxes, I pay my bills on time, recycle - the works and I could go completely the other way and live life in luxury!

Fackin' ell, wot tha fack, I'll b a gangsta and get me some bitches and bling cos that'll get me respect innit!

Philip aka Tha Chav

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16. Comment #81717 by CJ22 on October 25, 2007 at 4:59 am

 avatar@Philip1978 "To give you an example, the Government wants to charge higher council taxes for those who recycle more..."

Hmmm, no they want to charge more for people who DON'T recycle. They want to charge a surplus for unrecycled waste. But apart from that, you're right :)

The most worrying thing for me is that it's become 'cool' to be stupid. The influence of nanny-statism and the ever-present woo-woo industry has caused people to sneer at intellectualism generally, and rational thinking in particular. How many times do you hear some nitwit say "Science!" like it's a bleeding pejorative? Using your mind is nerdy, being a gormless loser is where it's at, innit? To such an extent that I KNOW that otherwise intelligent kids are obliged to cultivate a persona of fake dimwittery just to get by.

But it's no big suprise. Government wants good little drones, not a chattering class of intellectual boat-rockers. Religion is FOUNDED on that principle, and would be long gone without it. Couple that with school systems that don't have the time and resources to do much other than churn out a semi-productive workforce, and the trend seems inevitable.

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17. Comment #81744 by devolve on October 25, 2007 at 5:54 am

 avatarI declare shenanigans. Even if the vast majority of kids are as dumb as a bag of rusty hammers (which I doubt), I'm quite skeptical of the claim about no student being able to figure out how to use a ruler as a straight edge. Crusty old farts have been lamenting the hellbound handbasket probably since just after the invention of the handbasket.

Teenagers are *supposed* to be dumb as hell. Many of them tend to grow out of it. I don't think I would trust a 16 year old who never played video games, didn't listen to music on his iPod, and just sat around reading textbooks on statistical psychology and industrial chemistry all day (perhaps while marching in place).

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18. Comment #81747 by mrmatt on October 25, 2007 at 6:00 am

 avatarThis doesn't surprise me, and I even recognise it in my own generation (I'm 25) and I despair!

May I recommend the movie "Idiocracy" (if you haven't seen it already) for an entertaining and funny dystopic vision of what might happen as a result of continued "dumbening" hehehe.

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19. Comment #81757 by Davin06 on October 25, 2007 at 6:17 am

 avatarPhilip,
While true that a lot of kids are born to get a council flat, on the other side educated bright women are deciding to have a career instead of a child in increasing numbers, eventually this is bound to have an effect, especially with the govt. screwing up our schools. On the bright side, we haven't got creationism as yet.

Baeoz - Chav is short for Cheltenham Average, slang used by the rich kids to describe to poor ones.

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20. Comment #81760 by mikeshin on October 25, 2007 at 6:22 am

Overall an alarmist article but many good points. Especially about mandatory testing. "....of the 182 school days in a year, there are 110 when such testing is going on somewhere at Oakland High"

The system is flawed (at least in public school) in the US. My son has to endure constant 'training' to take tests. It is not really education anymore it is a system where the schools are forced to make as many kids as possible pass standardized tests. My son is exceptionally bright and has to endure continuous exercises in math that are beneath his abilities simply because a statewide math assessment is coming up and the majority of the class is having difficulty. When it is time for a reading assessment, math will be largely ignored and they will endure reading exercises, all to make the school look good. 'No child left behind' is going to ruin this country....

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21. Comment #81768 by bluebird on October 25, 2007 at 6:38 am

 avatarThis article about U.S. education is interesting, and the author is correct; however, several other factors were not addressed.

Per the overexposure of media to young minds, Richard Louv wrote a book called "Nature Deficit Disorder" http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/298708_nature06.html asserting that getting kids off screens and into the natural world has numerous benefits, including better school performance.

mikeshin Yes, NCLB is seriously flawed and needs revisions, if not put in the circular file.



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22. Comment #81781 by bamafreethinker on October 25, 2007 at 7:07 am

 avatarWow, what a powerful article for me (a bible-belt American with two kids, 15 & 11). My 11 year old son was showing me his science book and he was studying plate tectonics, so I decided to ask him what his teacher said about tectonics and evolution and the ancient age of the earth and so on. Much to my surprise she did teach all of the above as facts and did not seem to do any "coaching" on the side. My 15 year old daughter is studying biology and her teacher is hard on them (almost too hard), but I am glad he's at least trying to teach them something. I do live in the wealthiest and most affluent part of Alabama (Huntsville – one of the cornerstones of the space program) so maybe I am fortunate in that respect. I agree with most of the points raised in this article. America really needs to shape up in the education department. I personally think it's time we, as parents, start being tougher on out kids as well. It takes courage and some foresight to deny kids what they want to do now for what will help them the rest of their lives and it is easy to be lazy and let the TV or a video game baby-sit for us. I think that my generation is the first truly lazy one (I'm 41) and that is a cycle I want to try and break.

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23. Comment #81787 by keith on October 25, 2007 at 7:21 am

 avatarPhillip, Scottishgeologist, CJ22,

I agree with you all. The only thing I'm not so sure of is whether the government actually wants "good little drones" or whether they have just inherited a way of thinking that started back in the 1960s and has become part of the intellectual air we breathe; namely, that people are not to blame for the situations in which they find themselves, or for their actions. Consequently, they can't really be blamed for anything since they are more victim than perpetrator.
I personally don't believe that this is the case, but even if it were, the worst approach to dealing with it would be to constantly announce it.
I believe that most politicians are capable of real cynicism but I suspect that most of the problems you are talking about are due to a lack of imagination, or a lack of real political will, or simply a dislike of looking at things squarely if it means saying something unpopular. I suspect that many people's values and motivations have become twisted by what they see - or perhaps don't see as it has become so much the norm of British life - as the misuse of the welfare state.
As you say Phillip, bad behaviour is seen as cool, the government sometimes even seems to encourage it, and values such as hardwork and a determination to provide for yourself and your family start to appear decidedly old-fashioned and really quite naive. I mean, why work if the state will simply give you the money? I have to confess that even I am quite tempted to live off what they would give me, simply because it's offered. And this lesson filters down: Why try at school if you know the government will simply give you money when you leave school? Why even think about what used to be important life decisions, like who to marry and whether to have kids? The government seems determined to underwrite any bad decisions people make. No wonder so many young people behave badly. I think they are drowning in a sea of narcissism (usual for young people) and relative values that seem to be anchored in...precisely nothing.

Yours,

Victor Meldrew.

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24. Comment #81788 by Tea Q on October 25, 2007 at 7:22 am

mrmatt,

Yes, Idiocracy...
Here's a movie based on a true story, despite the fact that it's happening thousands of years in the future. I wonder when it'll appear on Lifetime TV.

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25. Comment #81799 by frikkenkids on October 25, 2007 at 7:48 am

In response to Duff : "'''the one thing these young people were most interested in was becoming good parents. I wouldn't be so upset, if I were you."

That scares the hell out of me. To too many ignorant Americans, being a good parent means raising your child deeply involved in the church that teaches them evolution is a devilish lie, gays should be hated and science feared. They'd rather have a religious child than a thinking child.

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26. Comment #81815 by jacen110091 on October 25, 2007 at 8:28 am

 avatar@ Comment #81632 by scottishgeologist

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/6589301.stm

That link is as amusing as it is horrifying! Having studied my high-school in India, I was barely an average student in Math but I was an easy "A" level genius in my UG program from an American "Accridated" University . .

I honestly figured it was just a special case that my one University was exceptionally dumb, not the general state of things!

I had the same experience with Creationism that Zakie Chan's Canadian mates seemed to have. I really didn't know it as anything more than a mildly amusing American thing that would blow over sooner than it took God to "create" everything!

From an outsiders' prespective, this is all so surprising & tragic & simultaniously frightening when one considers the role the US givernment will inevitably play in World Politics for years to come...

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27. Comment #81866 by happyatheist on October 25, 2007 at 10:11 am

Me like TV...TV good. LOL! For the most part I agree with the content in this article...but I will defend the telly by saying that as long as it isn't watched 24 hours a day...it can be pretty useful. There are things I've learned from programs and documentaries on the Science Channel, Discovery Channel and PBS that I didn't learn in school (yes, I'm American, LOL!)...Some things weren't known or discovered until AFTER I had already finished my formal education...and I like to keep abreast of current events. TV and internet can help one catch up fairly quickly. :)..I will admit that the "educational" programs aren't all I watch ('Survivor' is a fave)...but I do know when to turn the telly off and open a fecking book. LOL!

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28. Comment #81911 by Alkal on October 25, 2007 at 11:34 am

As another hard working foreigner in the US, I am also one of the geniuses in my class. i just take the facilities here as an inspiration to work harder, and to be brighter than I was before....

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29. Comment #81916 by Steven Mading on October 25, 2007 at 11:43 am

I think a huge part of the problem is the simple fact that the tendency to think of "nerds" as being worthy of scorn keeps getting stronger and stronger. The peer pressure that acedemic success is something to ridicule will destroy a lot of very young minds just as they're starting to get curious.

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30. Comment #82032 by cynthax on October 25, 2007 at 3:04 pm

I am also a foreigner (Brazilian) living in the US. I'm a teaching assistant at a big university, and us foreign TAs are always amazed at how some of the undergrads even made it into college.
In my opinion, a big problem is that things come too easily to kids these days. They don't have to work for anything. Another thing that shocks many of the foreign TAs here is how easy it is to get an A, and it looks like that's the way it is in high school. To me both in high school and college the minimum passing grade was 50%, and sometimes it was hard to get even that. Getting an A was a real challenge, you really had to work hard. But here, if the class average is below B, we have to "curve" the results and raise everyone's average. I see people getting As who shouldn't be getting more than Cs!
The other problem is transforming educational institutions into businesses, where "the client is always right". And "the client", who is usually the parent, will give teachers/professors a hard time when his/her precious little dumbass of a kid gets anything lower than a B. In Brazil I worked a little bit with middle and high school kids, and some of them will talk down to you with that I'm-paying-your-salary attitude. Add that to a culture of attributing all the fault to the teachers and parents blaming misbehavior on ADHD, and if you don't do exactly what the parents want, i.e. give their kids an A, they make trouble. By the way, I'm not saying that ADHD doesn't exist, it's just an overused term to justify bad parenting.

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31. Comment #82114 by hotshoe on October 25, 2007 at 5:33 pm

 avatarMark Morford is a crack-up. He's writes a weekly colum for the SF Chronicle and it's always satirical, political, and profane, not necessarily in that order. Still, I think he's not just spouting off his own top fantasies today, but pointing out a genuine problem. I don''t see it as snobbish. I don't see it as merely the crusty old farts decrying 'the youth of today'.
We have a child in our neighborhood school. He was spat upon by a classmate who hates him because he is smart. In the high school we hear of kids who are bullied, have their schoolbooks and papers thrown in the gutter, and sometimes even beaten for the offense of trying to excel in class.
My personal solution - drop the requirement for education over the age of thirteen. Get out all the ones who don't want to be in school and are only there because they have to be. Yeah, they'll still be dumb, or even dumber than before, but at least they won't be disrupting and dragging down the ones who want a chance to learn.
I admit that leaves us with a dreadful social problem having all those ignorant bored teenagers hanging around all day.

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32. Comment #82116 by Mags on October 25, 2007 at 5:33 pm

As a student in American public schools, I can personally and sadly attest to the validity of this article.

I'm native-born and I've gone through public education my entire life, only to have myself constantly surrounded by the utter dregs human intelligence. At the risk of sounding smug, I'll state that I minimize my contact with these people and remove myself from the entry-level classes in which they participate, opting instead to take the more advanced courses which more aptly suit my abilities. Even in these areas, where children and young adults of supposedly vastly superior intelligence are supposed to congregate and learn in a fashion that's more advanced, I am besieged by ignorance, unintelligence, and a genuine lack of common sense.

I do not, however, participate in Honors English (even though I should), and as such I am forced to take the base level required for all students in my grade. The collective IQ of that classroom would barely melt ice in Kelvin. The sheer... nothingness that is that class should attest to my point. We recently had to write paragraph essays (yes, they had to be no longer than a paragraph, as sad as it may seem) and I was the -only- student in the entire class of roughly 25 students to get above a 90% on the written assignment. If it weren't so tragic, I would find it hilarious.

It's not even the lack of intelligence that's so intolerable; it's the lack of intelligence coupled with a palpable lack of ambition. Students today have no drive, no will to succeed and are all too pleased with average or even below average grades if it means they don't have to do any work. Hard work and determination are not virtues that most parents espouse anymore, rendering children of my generation lazy, morally bankrupt, and completely incapable of functioning on an intellectual level.

That's not to say that I'm the pinnacle of all that is diligent or intelligent... I've said for quite some time now that the worst thing about myself is that I'm above average, simply because that means average must be truly awful indeed.

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33. Comment #82143 by Augustus Osari on October 25, 2007 at 6:28 pm

As a student in the American public school system, I can personally attest that this article is absolute trash. The Bible is infinitely more credible than this horrible series of complete lies.

And I thought *I* was overly hard on the less-than-intelligent youth of today...

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34. Comment #82197 by Null-T on October 25, 2007 at 8:55 pm

 avatar" Recently, after giving an assignment that required drawing lines, he realized that not a single student actually knew how to use a ruler."

I hope that this is an exaggeration. I'm having a hard time believing that anyone can actually be this stupid. No one ever taught me how to use a ruler since it is pretty much self explanatory.

Although perhaps I shouldn't be surprised. Back when I was in high school I sometimes attended after-school tutoring to get help with my calculus homework. One day I was sitting in the classroom and working on some problem when a girl that was sitting next to me asked me if she could borrow my calculator. I wasn't using it at the time so I gave it her. Ten or so minutes later she finished her assignment, returned the calculator, and left. The calculator was a TI-86 graphing calculator so when I turned it on to work on a problem I could see a few of the previous inputs on the screen. What I saw on the screen caused me to raise an eyebrow and chuckle nervously. She used a graphing calculator for the following:
3+5

4+7

9-6

How the hell does someone make it to high school (she was at least in tenth grade) and not know how to add and subtract single digits?

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35. Comment #82205 by ? on October 25, 2007 at 9:28 pm

 avatarI don't think its a matter of "stupidity" as such. IQ scores are supposed to be higher than ever, and it must take a certain amount of cleverness to use all these little handheld electronic gadgets all the kids are weighted down with.

I am by no means a Luddite or particularly old, but it amazes me how everyone under 23 seems equiped like James Bond with a new set of technological wonders on a monthly or weekly basis which they use effortlessly. Also, the sheer amount of memorization required to be a serious fan of sports and pop culture preclude true mental impairment.

The problem is more cultural:

--an obsession with the trivial.

--no respect for language.

--no idea of rational discussion and inquiry(passive tolerance for the left, non-negotialble demands for the right)

--TINY attention spans that get in the way of assimilating complex intellectual products. Movies that aren't "art films" or ultra-serious adult dramas (American ones, at least) are little more than flashing light. The Godfather and Taxi Driver seemed like cool pop culture in the 70s, but comes across as very cerebral and "high brow" by today's standards.

--No sense of history--even a contempt for a sense of history. All that exists is the present. The Cold War might has well have ended 100 years ago.

--The sense that to better oneself or cultivate an inner life is "elitist" and the feeling that education is justified only in terms of job training.

--Snobbish ultra-intellectualism among the "alternative" crowd as an understandable reaction to the general dumbing down. This polarizes a population into artificial extremes: "the best art is incomprehensible weirdness" vs. "the best art involves kittens, Jesus, Elvis or all three together"; "the best films are unnaturally slow and confusing," vs. "the best films are eye candy appealing to nothing but simplistic wish fulfillment" ; "eat nothing but health food or expensive cuisine" vs. "eat nothing but junk food," etc., ad nauseum.

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36. Comment #82208 by Bonzai on October 25, 2007 at 9:42 pm

Well, what is new? A bunch of geezers,--or geezer wanabes,-- getting together to complain how stupid and rude young people are. Something never changes. It seems to be fairly universal for older adults to forget what it was like to be young. The old days always seem to be so much better and the world is always going to hell in a hand basket.

Seriously who do you think are giving money to the mega Churches and subsidizing the lavish lifestyles of TV evangelists? Who are watching day time soap and inane talk shows? Who are following celebrity gossips, paying psychics and buying every book that Oprah recommends? Not the teen agers or twenty something demographic I suppose.

Hey Null-T, what is THAT in your avatar? Is it really a piece of crap with claws?

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37. Comment #82211 by Denevius on October 25, 2007 at 9:53 pm

This is a funny article, and in general I agree with it. I only wonder what are the "smarts" of the world going to do. Are you going to roll up your sleeves and plunge into the stupidity around you in order to make a difference? Or are you going to keep to your own, complain, and basically let the world go to hell on a coaster of ignorance?

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38. Comment #82229 by Convertedchristian on October 25, 2007 at 10:38 pm

this article is completely unscientific. Anybody can say something from their own personal experience and it wouldn't mean a thing. That is not to say that our educational system is spectacular, it most certainly is not. But to go as far as to say that people are thinking of moving out of the country because of the educational system is just ludicrous. This is just parents who aren't taking responsibility for their children. It is the parents responsibility to instill educational values into their children and not just blame the educational system. Other aspect of this is attitudes. Many students just don't container about their grades and about education in general and it is those students are bringing our scores down. I would also like to address some comments made above about foreign students. Their comments can be misleading I think. One must remember that foreign slots at American universities are highly competitive and that it is no stretch of the imagination to say that only the smartest for the students are able to get into our universities or the richest so naturally those students will probably be smarter than the average American students entering into the universities here in the states. I believe this article is evidence of our failing educational system. If are going to debate education let's at least be smart about it when and present some scientific information so we can get an accurate representation rather than watch someone's personal experience was in Canada or Oakland or in India. Education is a two-way street, you got to put the work in to get a something out of it. I am dictating this to my computer so if you see any strange things above its because of the dictation software and because I'm too lazy to edit it. Oh no, the educational system has failed me!

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39. Comment #82246 by kabal on October 25, 2007 at 11:38 pm

@Mark Morford
Nice article untill you mentioned
"It's a bit like the melting of the polar ice caps. Sure, there's been alarmist data about it for years, but until you see it for yourself, the deep visceral dread doesn't really hit home."

That doesnt sound really hit me as rational thought.
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Futhermore, isnt it obvious what the level of education of a country is if you elect Bush as your president ?LMFAO !

@Convertedchristian
Please dont talk about this article as unscientific if you choose a username like Convertedchristian. Thats like Saudi-Arabia advocating human rights.

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40. Comment #82344 by Convertedchristian on October 26, 2007 at 5:41 am

Kabal, what does my username have to do with anything? Convertedchristian means that I CONVERTED from Christianity to atheism you moron. Don't tell me what i can and cannot talk about. And by the way, bush didn't win the first time, and he barley won the second time, and even then he may not have won fair and square. the brits reelected Tony blair, likewise John Howard was reelected, Germany and France now have more conservative governments, but i really don't think someone as immature as you deserves any response at all. The article is unscientific and you just don't like me pointing that out because you like the article. maybe you should start going to church, i think you'd like it.

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41. Comment #82346 by irate_atheist on October 26, 2007 at 5:47 am

 avatarRe: 40. Comment #82344 by Convertedchristian

Re: 39. Comment #82246 by kabal

Queensbury rules, please, gentlemen.

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42. Comment #82352 by detox on October 26, 2007 at 6:09 am

 avatarDespite raising an eyebrow at the apparent inability to use a ruler I wasn't going to comment on this article till I just came across this news item on Yahoo:

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/skynews/20071026/html

Miami Dolphins linebacker Channing Crowder has admitted not knowing people speak English in London.


That is preternaturally stupid, but this leaves me open mouthed in awe:

He's black, so I'm sure he's not from London.


I'm hoping this is a joke otherwise the guy must have three arms because with the standard two I doubt whether he could find his arsehole.

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43. Comment #82353 by kabal on October 26, 2007 at 6:15 am

@Convertedchristian
for someone that doesnt deserve any response, you surely spend a lot of energy on me. But my appologies to you for acting like a moron. Its just that the US is 75%-80% evangelical christian, pardon my mistake. (btw have u told ur parents yet that u are converted to atheism?).
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I dont see the relationship between European countries u mention and Bush. There is just no possitive thing to mention about that man what so ever, talking about morons.;-)
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And the writer of this article never mentioned his writing should be concidered scientific. He just shares an opinion.

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44. Comment #82360 by Bookman on October 26, 2007 at 6:28 am

At the time I was born, in California, over 40 years ago, that state had the best public education system in the country. Once the conservative revolution took hold, in the late seventies, their great system was essentially abandoned by the government. Now it is ranked 49th out of 50. Only Mississippi is worse. Give credit where credit is due -- to Movement conservatives.

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45. Comment #82378 by HunterZolomon on October 26, 2007 at 7:46 am

 avatarWhile I also found the article a bit over-the-top, I must admit that the author is onto something. A friend of mine, 8 years younger than me, went to public school. During math, she had to sit in the back of the classroom with her Walkman cranked up to max volume simply to be able to concentrate on the problems in the mathbook. When I went to public school, 8 years earlier, that would have been unthinkable. There has definately been a change for the worse in our public school system.

To me, a great deal of it boils down to the general populations ever decreasing sense of personal responsibility. It is quite obvious in many other parts of society other than the schoolsystem. Taking personal responsibilty for your actions? For your life? For your children? Can't have that, that is someone elses job.

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46. Comment #82383 by annabanana on October 26, 2007 at 8:02 am

 avatarAs an initial disclaimer, I'm at work, so I didn't have time to read all of the responses, so I'm sorry if anything I have to say is repetitious.

This article absolutely disgusts me. I'm 25 and I attended public school in a small town in the "Bible Belt" and I am intelligent, well-rounded, and well-spoken and I am not an anomaly. I played video games and watched tv as well as played outside, went to ballet, and all of the other normal things that kids do. My best friend, who is also all of the above, is from the same small town and is no anomaly either. My roommate is a 21 year old graduate student in her first year in a clinical psychology Ph.D. program and she is no anomaly either. I realize that I am speaking from personal experience and that this has no scientific or statistical merit, but I still think the article to be untrue. I find it extremely hard to believe that no one in this guy's class knew how to use a ruler unless he were teaching a remedial first grade class.

The intellectually elite certainly represent a small portion of the population, but they always have! I also think that such a pessimistic attitude does nothing to better the situation if there is such a situation. If we don't look forward and have some hope for people in the world, then why even bother to complain about it?

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47. Comment #82412 by Bonzai on October 26, 2007 at 8:48 am

HunterZolomon wrote:

A friend of mine, 8 years younger than me, went to public school. During math, she had to sit in the back of the classroom with her Walkman cranked up to max volume simply to be able to concentrate on the problems in the mathbook.


Well some people need background distractions to concentrate, it is neither a sign of laziness nor a character flaw. I have a friend who has a Ph.D. in math and he does exactly that, he writes his papers in noisy places such as coffee shops and often have his Ipod on. In the good old days of rigid discipline he would probably have dropped out from school long ago.

I read that there is a class of neuronetworks that requires some level of white noise to function optimally. If you try to make them more efficient by eliminating the noise like you would normally do, the systems just die.

P.S. Richard Feynman apparently wrote some of his legendary physics lecture notes in a strip club.

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48. Comment #82439 by Nick6742 on October 26, 2007 at 10:34 am

Let's not get carried away, the teacher in this article teaches in Oakland. Not many big cities in the US are going to be at the top of the achievement ladder. The vast majority of my classmates in undergraduate, graduate, and medical school were products of the public education system and they were all doing fine. There's room for improvement, but the sky isn't falling.

As evidence I offer the increasing SAT (1 of 2 major US college entrance exams) scores that have been continuing to rise for years.

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49. Comment #82465 by Red Foot Okie on October 26, 2007 at 11:47 am

 avatarA bit of an alarmist article, really.

But, I do keep hearing that the overwhelming culture of "cool" in middle and high school (and even infiltrating into college), is seriously hampering students' abilities to try to excel or even scrape by. Since it isn't cool to care about grades, and it IS cool to get by with as little work as possible. Even cooler to fail, shrug, and not care. Sizzle!

I hear stories of kids and young adults studying and struggling in secret- almost in secret shame- to make good grades, then trying to keep it secret that they made good grades, and then trying to blow it off if word gets out. It's kinda cool to just make good grades, it is incredibly uncool to study, though.

I don't know how you change that kind of youth culture, though.

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50. Comment #82469 by hopeful on October 26, 2007 at 11:54 am

I am 47 and superficially it seems to me the same is happening here in New Zealand, and there certainly seems to be an entrenched welfare-state dependency and lack of parental capability and responsibility that is breeding generations of people that are not much use to themselves or anyone else.

I am certain that this is partially true, however I am conscious that there are motivated young people who do achieve, and that there is a generation gap that may influence my perception. Because I feel more and more strongly about the importance of education, and I want my children to succeed in life, now I probably notice every little sign that suggests faulty or failing education.

I am sure there have been scientific studies done on general education levels (at least I hope there has been).

One thing is clear, and that is that one of the things that an atheist fears most is the possibility of humanity declining into ignorance and barbarity, potentially losing everything that has been gained, and I share that.

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