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One of the methods used by the religious to marginalize atheists and our increasing visibility is to accuse us of becoming that which we originally opposed, or in other words, just like them. It's even better if they have the convenience of one experience with these so-called "secular fundamentalists" from which they can draw unfounded conclusions as to the validity of this argument and, ultimately, the character of all those who have no belief in gods, goddesses, or other mythical creatures.2. Comment #88256 by Arcturus on November 15, 2007 at 3:49 pm
3. Comment #88257 by articulett on November 15, 2007 at 3:52 pm
Beautifully written!4. Comment #88258 by Russell Blackford on November 15, 2007 at 4:10 pm
Kelly is getting better all the time - this piece is really well-written.5. Comment #88259 by zarcus on November 15, 2007 at 4:10 pm
6. Comment #88266 by steve99 on November 15, 2007 at 4:29 pm
7. Comment #88267 by Duff on November 15, 2007 at 4:30 pm
Kelly,8. Comment #88276 by Janus on November 15, 2007 at 5:14 pm
9. Comment #88277 by OhioAtheist on November 15, 2007 at 5:24 pm
10. Comment #88278 by FreeThink25 on November 15, 2007 at 5:29 pm
Zarcus,11. Comment #88284 by Gymnopedie on November 15, 2007 at 6:38 pm
I'm in complete agreement with OhioAtheist. Keep up the good work RRS.12. Comment #88285 by Russell Blackford on November 15, 2007 at 6:39 pm
Given that Kelly is quite explicitly developing a presence as someone who's new to writing this kind of stuff, but now making a real effort to do it in a concerted way, I think it's natural that we're watching how she goes ... and that she gets a certain amount of advice, constructive criticism, and similar comment. There's nothing sinister about it, and if a bloke did exactly what she's doing the same thing would happen.13. Comment #88286 by BaronOchs on November 15, 2007 at 6:41 pm
While Harris comes perilously close to validating the existence of religious experience
"The Inquisition at least allowed defendants the chance to recant—often many times."
14. Comment #88290 by Veronique on November 15, 2007 at 7:38 pm
15. Comment #88297 by notbadfora human on November 15, 2007 at 10:00 pm
16. Comment #88310 by skyhook0 on November 15, 2007 at 11:37 pm
There is such a thing as secular fundamentalists. It's obvious that there are some people among us who are unthinking adherents to a dogma - only in their case they happen to have chosen one that's correct. In /Genome/ or /Agile Gene/ - I forget which - Matt Ridley says that religion isn't heritable, but zealotry is. There are clearly some atheists who would be right at home in the crusades, but by what appears to be sheer luck, are in fact correct in their metaphysical assumptions. They are blind squirrels who have found a nut. I don't agree with this article, but I think all of us who wish to make atheism a publicly acceptable stance ought to think twice before giving a full endorsement to the RRS and the like. The "blind squirrels" will be every bit as unable to defend their position (though it happens to be correct) as any priest, because they don't have the intellectual chops. I've witnessed it. Those of us who put our "faith," such as it is, in reason, should avoid associating with them.17. Comment #88319 by bitbutter on November 16, 2007 at 1:28 am
A cowardly piece. Snide enough to poison the well, half-jokey enough to escape the responsibility that comes with actually saying something in earnest.
18. Comment #88337 by blueollie on November 16, 2007 at 4:39 am
I subscribe to TAC (no, I am a liberal but the TAC is very anti-war).19. Comment #88338 by Veronique on November 16, 2007 at 5:03 am
20. Comment #88347 by phasmagigas on November 16, 2007 at 5:42 am
The "blind squirrels" will be every bit as unable to defend their position (though it happens to be correct) as any priest, because they don't have the intellectual chops.
21. Comment #88349 by phasmagigas on November 16, 2007 at 5:46 am
I was sharing a tent with this fellow Matthew, who happened to be a budding homosexual. He was also a raging pyromaniac
22. Comment #88373 by shemp333 on November 16, 2007 at 9:24 am
23. Comment #88381 by Styrer- on November 16, 2007 at 10:57 am
Although the language expressing them could be more precise in parts, O'Connor's points seem absolutely unassailable.24. Comment #88382 by Phaeonix on November 16, 2007 at 11:04 am
25. Comment #88396 by Garnok on November 16, 2007 at 1:02 pm
he refers to Prof. Dawkins as "owl-faced"
If the general consensus is that pushing religion on your children is not an issue, then why is the advocacy of non-religion? Why was there such a backlash to our own Blasphemy Challenge, largely because teens were being "targeted" by the evil atheists? It is the obvious hypocrisy that is most problematic here—indoctrination from Christian parents is fine, but atheist parents need to keep their lack of belief to themselves.
26. Comment #88413 by skyhook0 on November 16, 2007 at 2:08 pm
Hmm... I posted my comments after a long day at the bar and I don't think I actually read the article. Not sure what I was trying to say... so, they are withdrawn.27. Comment #88611 by Vaal on November 18, 2007 at 3:20 am
28. Comment #88615 by keith on November 18, 2007 at 3:47 am
This is the first piece of real first-rate argument I've seen from the RRS. And I mean that not as a disparagement of the squad's prior activities, but as praise for this article.
29. Comment #88732 by dialector on November 18, 2007 at 5:50 pm
"The title alone is an oxymoron—would Mr. Dougherty mind explaining the fundamentals of secularism before he starts labeling us as adherents to them?"30. Comment #88739 by Russell Blackford on November 18, 2007 at 6:49 pm
dialector, the words "fundamentalist", "fundamentalism", etc., have a clear historical meaning. A fundamentalist is someone who believes in the literal and inerrant truth of the Bible. By extension, it can be someone who has that kind of belief about another holy book such as the Koran.31. Comment #88750 by dialector on November 18, 2007 at 10:14 pm
Russel, your post was a thoughtful one.32. Comment #88810 by Russell Blackford on November 19, 2007 at 2:51 am
Thanks for your courteous response, dialector.33. Comment #88941 by mcadamsdj on November 19, 2007 at 7:56 am
34. Comment #126181 by the_ultimate_samurai on February 12, 2008 at 2:48 pm
im with sam harris on meditation personaly. ive found it quite usefull...you know how sometimes you have too many things going on in your head at one time...thinking on too many topics...by meditating you can silence those and focus on one thing.This article is reposted from a website that accepts comments.
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1. Comment #88255 by Jack Rawlinson on November 15, 2007 at 3:43 pm
Good summation and dispatching of the latest round of bullshit from one of the desperate defenders of the faith.
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