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Gillian Gibbons sounds like a nice woman. She is in her 50s, a teacher from Liverpool with grown-up children, and earlier this year she decided to put her experience to use in one of the most troubled parts of Africa. In August, she started teaching at an independent primary school in Sudan, where she seems to have been popular with her young pupils; she followed a national curriculum course designed to teach them about animals and asked a seven-year-old girl to bring her teddy bear into class.2. Comment #91289 by Philip1978 on November 28, 2007 at 1:07 am
3. Comment #91290 by Quetzalcoatl on November 28, 2007 at 1:18 am
4. Comment #91291 by drgsr on November 28, 2007 at 1:27 am
The Indian government has announced that Taslima would be given shelter if she desists from hurting religious sentiments. This in a Hindu majority country!. As usual the motley crowd who makes the maximum din gets away with it5. Comment #91295 by brainsys on November 28, 2007 at 1:55 am
I worry about how we react to the incidents. My reaction to these events is the usual incredulousness.6. Comment #91296 by tieInterceptor on November 28, 2007 at 2:02 am
7. Comment #91297 by Fanusi Khiyal on November 28, 2007 at 2:06 am
Well I think I can already hear Fanusi accusing me of appeasement.
Some people say Islam is different
Well all faiths are different but one can say that many Muslims were able to live comfortably withiu other societies for many years.
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It isn't because Islam has changed (it is not supposed to) it is a combination of changes - some in our society and some to do with control of theirs. This gives me hope that it can be reversed .
Is this to be a fight for hearts and minds or for bodies? Have we all really given up hope?
8. Comment #91300 by villageidiot on November 28, 2007 at 2:15 am
9. Comment #91302 by Fanusi Khiyal on November 28, 2007 at 2:18 am
Noticed a mispelling in my first post. It should be:10. Comment #91310 by Nick Good on November 28, 2007 at 2:35 am
11. Comment #91323 by Philip1978 on November 28, 2007 at 3:40 am
12. Comment #91324 by mrjonno on November 28, 2007 at 3:46 am
Honour killings : You don't need religion for this, organised crime/gangsters have been killing over this for years. Majority of 'black on black' killings in the uk are due to 'disrespect'13. Comment #91326 by brainsys on November 28, 2007 at 3:51 am
Fanusi says "The polls we have show that the average man in the Mosque has a fifty-fifty chance of being a supporter of Shariah law."14. Comment #91327 by GBG on November 28, 2007 at 3:57 am
15. Comment #91328 by MartinSGill on November 28, 2007 at 3:59 am
16. Comment #91331 by briancoughlanworldcitizen on November 28, 2007 at 4:14 am
17. Comment #91333 by brainsys on November 28, 2007 at 4:18 am
Philip said "with idiots like Bunglawala around obfuscating to his heart's desire I can't see things improving."18. Comment #91343 by phasmagigas on November 28, 2007 at 5:18 am
19. Comment #91353 by Philip1978 on November 28, 2007 at 5:45 am
20. Comment #91357 by Fouad Boussetta on November 28, 2007 at 6:14 am
21. Comment #91359 by brainsys on November 28, 2007 at 6:27 am
Philip. Interesting to read of your High Wycombe experience. My daughter went to school with the shoe bomber in Greenwich. Also a west indian convert. But I don't think it unfair to say he makes a sad hero for the jihadists and poor hate figure for the forces of good. He was a loser who was always going to get conned by someone. Thankfully too incompetent to succeed.22. Comment #91361 by Quetzalcoatl on November 28, 2007 at 6:38 am
23. Comment #91363 by Lil_Xunzian on November 28, 2007 at 6:46 am
In any society with its head firmly and squarely stapled to its shoulders, people who were insulted because a teddy bear was named after the founder of a system of fictional concepts would be thrown into an insane asylum.24. Comment #91365 by AdrianB on November 28, 2007 at 6:53 am
25. Comment #91368 by jimbob on November 28, 2007 at 7:08 am
Lashes for the rape victim, now the same for the teddy bear lady! Then, when you thought it couldn't get any nuttier we get the "Turkey Delusion!":26. Comment #91369 by irate_atheist on November 28, 2007 at 7:17 am
27. Comment #91383 by Alkal on November 28, 2007 at 7:37 am
The Taslima Nasrin case in India i even more politically charged than it appears.The reason she is in India is because of the Hindu majority who will do all they can to denounce Islam, even while creating a religious theocracy on their own- remember their batty behavior for the shooting of the film "Water" or the cleansing of the Guuvayoor temple because a Christian had stepped in.28. Comment #91396 by Fanusi Khiyal on November 28, 2007 at 8:30 am
brainsysy you are making a common mistake, namely here:
"Islam is a system of government" - A damned poor one compared to the RC Church whose leader ruled absolutly in Europe for centuries as the sole mediator between God & King. What caliphate can compare? This was eventually unsustainable. Desire for divorces was one of the more trivial ways this control was overthrown by Kings who then became God's representative for their people. And so people overthrew their divine Kings - or constitutionalised them (cf leaving their genitals intact
29. Comment #91404 by tieInterceptor on November 28, 2007 at 8:38 am
Islam's rule has always been far, far stronger, and more terrible than that of Christianity. It took a thousand years to extricate ourselves from a religion founded by a pacifist - what is it going to be like trying to extricate ourselves from a religion founded by a tyrant and warlord?
30. Comment #91425 by Vinelectric on November 28, 2007 at 9:21 am
He is uswa husana, al-insal al-kamil
31. Comment #91429 by Vinelectric on November 28, 2007 at 9:28 am
The stark fact is that the notion of "honour" and the violence linked to it cannot co-exist with the modern idea of universal human rights.
32. Comment #91435 by robotaholic on November 28, 2007 at 9:50 am
33. Comment #91437 by Vinelectric on November 28, 2007 at 9:53 am
34. Comment #91438 by Gymnopedie on November 28, 2007 at 9:57 am
A great article. Quite exceptional.35. Comment #91439 by Vinelectric on November 28, 2007 at 10:01 am
It can be either. I keep harping on the fact that if we do not engage in a stiff fight for minds now, and that will require a certain amount of force brought to bear, we will find ourselves in total and absolute war.
36. Comment #91453 by Fanusi Khiyal on November 28, 2007 at 10:54 am
Why am I not surprised that at what comes crawling out here. Here's a little reality pill for the likes of Vin: Just one of the genocides that Islam is repsonsible for is the murder of seventy million Hindus during the time of Muslim rule.37. Comment #91495 by Jolly Bloger on November 28, 2007 at 1:02 pm
38. Comment #91627 by brainsys on November 28, 2007 at 5:48 pm
Fanusi wrote "There is a division between church and state that is implied in the sentence "Render unto Caesar...". It is that wierd twist of luck that we owe our secularism to."39. Comment #91630 by automath on November 28, 2007 at 6:19 pm
40. Comment #91632 by Bonzai on November 28, 2007 at 6:30 pm
Comment #91365 by AdrianBNow my children go to the same school, and it is about 25% Muslim, it is obvious to me that multiculturism has failed for the following reasons:
The friendships formed in primary school between Muslim and non-Muslim males slowly disappear as the children move up through the years...
41. Comment #91636 by Ashley1319 on November 28, 2007 at 7:20 pm
Islam is where christianity was in the dark ages. The thing is, they've both been around about the same length of time. The reason christianity is moderate like it is today, is because of a few things. 1) the original bible didn't have strict guidelines on heresy and apostasy,and so didn't condemn everyone to death. This changed later on, but in Christianity's earliest form, it was fairly calm. Because of the lack of heresy denunciations in the bible, the protestant reformation was able to occur, and opposing views were finally accepted. 2. Christianity became 'radical' after the main church was founded, and they had to wipe out opposing views to survive. Islam has skipped the first part, because the Islamic koran literally tells people to murder not just heretics, but non believers, and believers who do things against the muslim laws. They were radical from the start.42. Comment #91661 by Summer Seale on November 28, 2007 at 11:09 pm
But...but....43. Comment #91774 by Fanusi Khiyal on November 29, 2007 at 8:05 am
brainsys I will assume that you are young, and foolish, and thus your characterisation of my views with no evidence is excusable, but simply a result of an inability to read properly.
Render unto Cesar was the words of a lone preacher in an occupied territory finding a clever way of saving his own neck under hostile questioning (if we believe the biblical account).
1. Comment #91286 by Fanusi Khiyal on November 28, 2007 at 12:45 am
What I've been saying all along.Surprised? He is uswa husana, al-insal al-kamil. You're just a kaffir woman. That's what this boils down to.
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