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3. Comment #92039 by Matt7895 on November 29, 2007 at 6:23 pm
How can somebody be so, so stupid? I just cannot understand people with a deathwish. Life is so wonderful, the universe is so mysterious, I want to live, I get huge enjoyment out of my life. Why throw it all away for faith that is unproven? 4. Comment #92042 by Freelance Cynic on November 29, 2007 at 6:27 pm
Quite a sad story, and a good illustration of the dangers of brainwashing children with religious beliefs. I know that Dawkins is very careful to say that it's only the labelling of children that he considers child abuse, but I think this case shows that raising them to believe nonsense can also clearly be abuse by itself.5. Comment #92046 by Arcturus on November 29, 2007 at 6:37 pm
6. Comment #92048 by MelM on November 29, 2007 at 6:40 pm
Faith is a vice, and, like a lot of vices, it can be lethal.7. Comment #92052 by Cartomancer on November 29, 2007 at 7:14 pm
8. Comment #92057 by Dax on November 29, 2007 at 7:47 pm
If it is someone's own free choice not to undergo treatment, and thus end his or her own life by choice, religious folk will throw a fit, but if the decision is based upon some religious verse, it is by law allowed? That is the real problem here.9. Comment #92062 by CruciFiction on November 29, 2007 at 7:55 pm
Interesting how with the great force of Xtian demands, a State Governor, and even the US Congress will convene from recess just to intervene [in the Schiavo case] to pass laws that act against other laws in order to force the saving of the life of an already brain dead woman.10. Comment #92069 by Celandine on November 29, 2007 at 8:23 pm
One might cynically say that natural selection will come into play here, as the boy will now have no progeny to indoctrinate into similarly foolish and self-destructive behavior.11. Comment #92070 by liberalartist on November 29, 2007 at 8:25 pm
12. Comment #92071 by Will in Aus on November 29, 2007 at 8:27 pm
13. Comment #92076 by monkey2 on November 29, 2007 at 8:48 pm
14. Comment #92077 by ChrisMcL on November 29, 2007 at 8:48 pm
15. Comment #92079 by JJ2014 on November 29, 2007 at 8:52 pm
Misinterpreting the Old Testament prohibition against eating animal blood as a routine food item, the WatchTower Society began teaching in 1945 that receiving a blood transfusion was "eating human blood". Jehovah's Witnesses believe that receiving an infusion of human blood into their body's circulatory system is scientifically the exact same thing as eating or ingesting blood into their body's digestive system. Paul Gilles recent comments during this tragedy in which he compared injecting alcohol into one's veins (give me a break) to drinking alcohol proves that JWs still believe what the WatchTower Society published back in 1951:16. Comment #92083 by mandrellian on November 29, 2007 at 9:08 pm
I am physically ill. I don't know what to say or how to say it. One thing I'm sure of though: I'm through being civil to these fucking people when they come to my door.17. Comment #92146 by Vaal on November 30, 2007 at 12:47 am
18. Comment #92148 by action bastard on November 30, 2007 at 12:51 am
So using modern medical treatment for leukemia is against the teachings of the bible? I wasn't aware they had cancer treatment back in biblical times. It's too bad there's not a passage about not knocking on someone's door at 8am on Saturday mornings. Anyway, this judge has blood on his hands too. There's no excuse for letting a 14 year old die because of some twisted religious indoctrination.19. Comment #92153 by Quetzalcoatl on November 30, 2007 at 1:28 am
20. Comment #92166 by atheist_peace on November 30, 2007 at 2:07 am
21. Comment #92182 by Tyler Durden on November 30, 2007 at 2:46 am
"I don't think Dennis is trying to commit suicide. This isn't something Dennis just came upon, and he believes with the transfusion he would be unclean and unworthy." Skagit County Superior Court Judge John Meyer.Oh dear! The fact that any 14-year old would see themselves as "unclean and unworthy" is a sure sign of child abuse. Poor kid, never stood a chance.
22. Comment #92183 by Nails on November 30, 2007 at 2:50 am
23. Comment #92190 by Rtambree on November 30, 2007 at 3:00 am
The Lord was calling young Dennis to be with Him, and who are we to disobey our Father?24. Comment #92238 by mrjonno on November 30, 2007 at 5:50 am
This really is quite a complicated ethical issue.25. Comment #92240 by phasmagigas on November 30, 2007 at 5:58 am
26. Comment #92242 by nancy2001 on November 30, 2007 at 6:00 am
The state should have returned the boy to his real parents. It would have been better for the boy to be alive and living with recovering drug addicts than dead because he'd been brainwashed by religious crazies.27. Comment #92253 by Alter_GX on November 30, 2007 at 6:24 am
28. Comment #92256 by Rodney on November 30, 2007 at 6:34 am
The real tragedy here is that this boy was lied to by the Watchtower Society. An organisation which demands unquestioning obedience of its members. I should imagaine the threat of social ostracisation (disfellowship) would be compelling to a boy who had a troubled childhood such as this boy.29. Comment #92263 by beebhack on November 30, 2007 at 6:43 am
There was a similar case in the UK recently -- a young JW mother died after refusing a blood transfusion offered when she suffered serious labour complications, leaving her kids motherless. The BBC's Breakfast programme had a JW spokesman on to explain it. It was a fantastic example of overt respect given to irrationality. You would have thought that the most blisteringly obvious question was 'a life has been wasted; give us evidence that there is any truth whatsoever in the belief that lead to the rejection of evidence-based therapy'. If the BBC was interviewing a politician, say, on a life-and-death decision that's the first question that would be asked. But, no -- the highly-paid journalists fronting the show simply accepted the 'we did it because that's what Jehova tells us in the Bible' line, uncritically. The JW also claimed that the transfusion would not necessarily have saved the woman's life. Well, the clear rejoinder would have been that the faith-driven decision was to rob the doctors of their best chance of saving her life -- but that doddle of an argument wasn't put. I just hate the media, sometimes.30. Comment #92269 by Cartomancer on November 30, 2007 at 7:12 am
31. Comment #92276 by Rodney on November 30, 2007 at 7:38 am
I would say he was of sound mind, he came to a decision based on the information presented to him. If you believed in a paradise afterlife, then sacrificing this life for the next is rational. In a way, he acted quite nobley.32. Comment #92293 by gr8hands on November 30, 2007 at 8:41 am
Unless the boy had gone through the rigorous process to be baptized, (which involves intense verbal questioning of the witness teachings by the elders, to see if the candidate can provide the accurate answers with specific scripture references), he would not be subject to the threat of disfellowship. Only baptized witnesses are. The article did not mention whether or not he was baptized.33. Comment #92297 by al-rawandi on November 30, 2007 at 8:51 am
34. Comment #92305 by Vendetta on November 30, 2007 at 9:02 am
Comment #92190 by Rtambree on November 30, 2007 at 3:00 am
The Lord was calling young Dennis to be with Him, and who are we to disobey our Father?
35. Comment #92317 by black wolf on November 30, 2007 at 9:21 am
36. Comment #92330 by arogop on November 30, 2007 at 9:56 am
37. Comment #92382 by BNCbright on November 30, 2007 at 11:47 am
38. Comment #92416 by Rtambree on November 30, 2007 at 1:02 pm
35. Comment #92305 by Vendetta39. Comment #92436 by Vendetta on November 30, 2007 at 1:45 pm
39. Comment #92416 by Rtambree on November 30, 2007 at 1:02 pm
Just speculating on how the theists would rationalize it.
40. Comment #92503 by stephenray on November 30, 2007 at 4:18 pm
This sort of thing is going to keep on happening until religion is stripped of its free ride - "you cannot call this into question because *it is my faith*."41. Comment #92505 by stephenray on November 30, 2007 at 4:19 pm
Re BNCBright - I'm more worried that somebody with bizarre religious beliefs is teaching philosophy. Maths, French, Physics, etc., maybe; but philosophy? If you have a faith all the questions of philosophy have the same answer, surely?42. Comment #92513 by brightLee on November 30, 2007 at 4:49 pm
In college (long ago!) I had an English Prof who was a former editor at the Christian Science Monitor, until he developed an acute case of appendicitis. His family insisted that he not go to a doctor - they were certain that prayer would cure him. He tried this for a while, but when his appendix burst he was just able to call an ambulance before passing out. The doctors were just barely able to save him. After recovering, he promptly changed his job and his religious beliefs. His family never forgave him for getting medical treatment...43. Comment #92515 by NMcC on November 30, 2007 at 4:55 pm
What is with all this talk about whether this boy was 'of sound mind'?44. Comment #92667 by Garnok on December 1, 2007 at 5:53 am
"I don't believe Dennis' decision is the result of any coercion. He is mature and understands the consequences of his decision," Meyer said during Wednesday's court proceedings.
45. Comment #92921 by Russell Blackford on December 1, 2007 at 6:48 pm
Actually, I think this was the right legal outcome. You can't have the state, via its courts, ordering that people be strapped down against their will, and be physically forced to have medical treatment that they don't want and which they may even struggle against. Well, you can but we normally should not let the state do that once we're convinced that we're dealing with somebody who really does know his own mind - and the judge was in a better position to assess that than anyone here.46. Comment #92943 by russkid on December 1, 2007 at 7:48 pm
I would have view death as somthing awful for this to disturb me, and I dont. As such, I could47. Comment #93041 by NMcC on December 2, 2007 at 3:44 am
Russell Blackford48. Comment #93049 by Sean on December 2, 2007 at 3:57 am
Russell, I agree medical treatment shouldn't be forced on people who are demonstrably thinking rationally. However, this kid was not. The only reason the judge allowed this, is because the kid's delusion is a fairly popular one.49. Comment #93053 by irate_atheist on December 2, 2007 at 4:22 am
50. Comment #93065 by Russell Blackford on December 2, 2007 at 5:27 am
Sigh. I thought I'd get disagreements, though I also hoped some people would get a better understanding of what is at stake here.Send a letter to the editor of the original media outlet.
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1. Comment #92026 by Gymnopedie on November 29, 2007 at 6:02 pm
A 14 is not an adult and can hardly make mature decisions (at least not regarding something this important), no matter how firmly he insists he believes in them. What a tragedy. All for an ambiguous verse in some mythology's holy book... sad.Other Comments by Gymnopedie