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Reminds me in a way of the phrase "An empty stomach does not make a good political adviser." The US, the country in which I live, has taken the startlingly narrow-sighted view that we can bomb a country into rubble, depose the current ruling party, leave utilities and basic human needs in tatters and then simply expect that the first set of voting will fix it all.3. Comment #98252 by ronfac on December 13, 2007 at 11:20 am
What an excellent site. I keep finding great articles here that I would be unlikely to come across otherwise. Keep up the good work, Josh.4. Comment #98254 by ChrisMcL on December 13, 2007 at 11:32 am
5. Comment #98265 by notsobad on December 13, 2007 at 11:48 am
6. Comment #98269 by Ducklike on December 13, 2007 at 11:57 am
7. Comment #98270 by suffolkthinker on December 13, 2007 at 11:58 am
"I think that we in the West might describe China's government as brutal and totalitarian. It may be very secular and therefore stable and prosperous, but I would not want to live there."8. Comment #98273 by Diacanu on December 13, 2007 at 12:03 pm
I think I hear the christians shouting that they, not secularism, were responsible for all these advances.
9. Comment #98277 by Goldy on December 13, 2007 at 12:13 pm
I think that we in the West might describe China's government as brutal and totalitarian. It may be very secular and therefore stable and prosperous, but I would not want to live there.
10. Comment #98280 by Ducklike on December 13, 2007 at 12:16 pm
"flat Earth, and geocentrism, and the demon theory of disease"
11. Comment #98287 by alexmzk on December 13, 2007 at 12:30 pm
i imagine good education would play a part.12. Comment #98291 by BAEOZ on December 13, 2007 at 12:42 pm
Bishop Robert Grosseteste, early in the 13th century, the first person to imagine the experiment
13. Comment #98294 by GodlessHeathen on December 13, 2007 at 12:49 pm
14. Comment #98299 by Bonzai on December 13, 2007 at 12:56 pm
Goldy,I am married to a Chinese woman and so have a large in-law family there. I go quite often. I too wouldn't like to live there, but for totally different reasons
15. Comment #98301 by Goldy on December 13, 2007 at 12:58 pm
Cheers, Bonzai. That's coffee all over my keyboard! :-D16. Comment #98303 by Rtambree on December 13, 2007 at 12:59 pm
Peter Watson is an under-rated public intellectual (probably because he doesn't have John Brockman as his literary and PR agent). His two books on intellectual history should be textbooks in every school - they give you the framework upon which to hang historical events that you learn throughout life.17. Comment #98361 by Ducklike on December 13, 2007 at 2:08 pm
18. Comment #98447 by Cartomancer on December 13, 2007 at 3:47 pm
19. Comment #98504 by njwong on December 13, 2007 at 7:57 pm
20. Comment #98516 by gkkalai on December 13, 2007 at 8:18 pm
Umm...a different view.While i agree religion is the most notorious of all evil,Even without it, there are many illness in this world.21. Comment #98524 by secular82 on December 13, 2007 at 8:36 pm
Watson's thesis about the role of secularism in society sounds fascinating, but it is such a sweeping generalization that it requires an enormous amount of historical and sociological evidence that would take years to compile. Ultimately, I don't think one idea, no matter how brilliant, can account for so much. Societies are extremely complicated, and there are thousands of factors at work every day in promoting or inhibiting prosperity.22. Comment #98583 by Cartomancer on December 13, 2007 at 10:24 pm
23. Comment #98584 by Bonzai on December 13, 2007 at 10:38 pm
Is he proposing secular dictatorships?24. Comment #98715 by Sean on December 14, 2007 at 5:40 am
Best way I can see to spread secularism is to stop state funding of religious organisations. Let them pay for their own proselytising, and maybe they'll have less money to spend on spreading their message around the world. Don't donate to charities run by religious organisations, particularly those involved overseas. There are plenty of secular alternatives.25. Comment #98726 by Incredulous on December 14, 2007 at 6:25 am
Democracy implies ... that the political process proceeds by rational means, ... and is based on knowledge that is [as] objective, ... The objective knowledge has to come first.
26. Comment #98805 by Steven Mading on December 14, 2007 at 11:43 am
Any "Democracy" that puts into its constitution that its laws must be in accordance with a particular religion is automatically NOT a democracy the moment it does that. Such a clause makes it so that the religious leaders get the final say in what is and is not a law. It gives them ultimate veto and judicial power, making them effectively much more important than the bulk of the voters (and the immense influence they have over the voters too adds to the problem, although it could be argued that a secular charismatic person could have the same people-influence as a religious one.)27. Comment #98837 by Eric Blair on December 14, 2007 at 2:46 pm
I find this a rather bizarre article, overlooking some obvious counter-points.28. Comment #98894 by prettygoodformonkeys on December 14, 2007 at 8:56 pm
"Democracy is the child of secularism, certainly not the other way around"I heartily endorse this, and add that secularism doesn't have to be forced, but at the very least, must always stood up for.
29. Comment #99195 by huxley_leopard on December 15, 2007 at 9:45 pm
Democracy is the child of humanism, not secularism. Humanism being the source of the all humans being born equal idea.30. Comment #99199 by Cartomancer on December 15, 2007 at 10:03 pm
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1. Comment #98250 by Arcturus on December 13, 2007 at 11:12 am
Maybe it's good not to meddle, and lead by example.
But by now, we are in deep s**t, so it's a hard dillema about what to do with the Middle East.
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