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Saturday, January 19, 2008 | Reason : Children and Religion | print version Print | Comments

Document Britain cannot put its faith in religiously divided schools

by Richard Heller, Yorkshire Post

Thanks to Graham Dolby for the link.

Reposted from:
http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/opinion/Richard-Heller-Britain-cannot-put.3652772.jp

ALTHOUGH a third of England's state schools are already under religious control, the Government has decided to create even more of them.

In a private deal with a number of religious leaders, Ministers have committed themselves to remove "unnecessary barriers to the creation of new faith schools", to give such schools additional funding from central government and to encourage fee-paying religious schools to join the state sector.

In exchange, the religious leaders have signed up to some pious platitudes about building understanding and tolerance of other faiths.

Many people believe it is incumbent on every citizen, never mind every school, to build understanding and tolerance of others, and that people should not get public money for doing their basic civic duty. The Government has got itself a very poor bargain.

Children's Minister Ed Balls, who will be cross-examined by MPs today, has suggested that faith groups share the Government's goal of promoting a more cohesive society and that faith schools promote integration and community cohesion.

This suggestion flies in the face of common sense and the experience of Northern Ireland and many other countries, where faith schools have entrenched social, cultural and economic divisions and perpetuated them through succeeding generations.

Faith schools exist as an emanation of religious faith. Their central and universal premise is that children are better people if they adhere to one particular faith. All other children are in some way inferior or diminished, perhaps even pitiable. They may need to be converted, saved or redeemed: at best, they can be tolerated but never regarded as equal.

That is what a faith school entails. It is bad enough that the state should fund such an outlook at taxpayers' expense, but to do so in the name of social integration is preposterous.

Even if faith schools were not divisive, they raise other important issues of principle which the Government has consistently refused to acknowledge or debate.

All religious faiths, without exception, are self-selecting minorities. They represent groups of people who have chosen certain beliefs.

Why should any minority group enjoy special funding, influence or control in an essential public service just because of their beliefs? What makes religion so superior to other convictions?

If we are to have publicly funded faith schools, should we also fund anti-faith schools (for the parents who believe that all religions are harmful)? Or, indeed, political schools for parents who believe passionately in a political party – or ornithological schools for
the many more parents who believe passionately in protecting birds?

Ministers claim that faith schools enlarge parental choice. But the Government does not attempt to meet the choice of every single parent for a child's education. Some parents passionately want their child to play cricket for Yorkshire and England and would like their school to prepare him accordingly.

The state does not meet their wishes.

More seriously, some parents are racist, homophobic or treat women as inferior, sometimes on the basis of religious belief. The state does not meet their wishes in education.

These represent extreme cases, but they illustrate how faith schools force government to make invidious decisions.

Some parental beliefs are encouraged and publicly funded: others are not. They turn the state into a licensing agency for views and beliefs.

Faith schools also raise the vital question of children's rights. Should children be compelled to receive religious instruction at their parents' behest? Should this be funded by the state?

In support of its proposal, the Government referred to "Muslim children" along with Hindu and Sikh children as being under-provided with state schools. It would have been more accurate to say "children of Muslim/Hindu/Sikh parents". Children should not be identified by their parents' religion: they will make that choice for themselves when
they are mature enough and it is no role of the state to promote it.

Finally, and perhaps most seriously, faith schools will entrench religious politics in our country. They turn every faith into clients of government, and vice versa.

They make every faith group a lobbyist: whatever public money and power is given to one faith group is automatically demanded by another. Within every faith group they encourage factions to compete for the control of public funding, and, even more important, for the power within the community that accompanies control over a school.

To paraphrase Ernest Bevin, faith schools open up a Pandora's box of Trojan horses for our country.

Has the Government seriously considered their consequences for children and their rights, for society and for the future of British politics?

Or has it surrendered, tamely, to well-organised lobbying?


Richard Heller is an author, journalist and political adviser to Denis Healey, the former Chancellor of the Exchequer.

Last Updated: 09 January 2008 8:34 AM

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1. Comment #113527 by TheTrueScotsman on January 20, 2008 at 12:01 am

 avatarHere Here!

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2. Comment #113533 by Slyer on January 20, 2008 at 12:33 am

 avatarI need to start my own atheist school, atheists only! No doubt that the fundies wouldn't approve. :)

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3. Comment #113534 by epeeist on January 20, 2008 at 12:34 am

 avatarGood opinion piece, especially as the YP tends to be somewhat conservative in outlook.

I posted this in another thread - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/01/11/nschool411.xml

Seems Ed Balls might not be as convinced about faith schools as seems to be intimated.

Incidentally, unless he has changed Dennis Healey isn't religious, my mother was his election agent for a short time and we used to know him reasonably well.

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4. Comment #113541 by JemyM on January 20, 2008 at 12:59 am

 avatarSame people, different books, learning to be tolerant to eachother. Something tells me it's the book that is the problem, not the people. Whenever you label a person based on their thoughts, you do a terrible mistake. We have culturally condemned the idea of class, race, gender and the correct sexuality. Now lets abolish the idea of groups based on "nationality", "culture" and "religion" as well. Stop dividing people with illusionary walls. There is only one type of human.

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5. Comment #113543 by davorg on January 20, 2008 at 1:24 am

 avatarThis piece was written before Ed Balls spoke to MPs and is therefore largely guesswork about what he might say.

What he actually said was rather different.
The Government has decided against backing more faith schools, the Children, Schools and Families Secretary, Ed Balls, told MPs.

In what is being seen as one of the most significant policy shifts of the post-Tony Blair era in education, he told a Commons select committee: "It is not the policy of the Government nor my department to expand the number of faith schools. We're not leading a drive for more faith schools."
See http://news.independent.co.uk/education/education_news/article3324436.ece

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6. Comment #113547 by tobybarrett on January 20, 2008 at 1:57 am

 avatarIt is good to see the British Government slowly backing away from the ridiculous enthusiasm Blair had for "faith schools" ("sectarian schools" might be a better name).

But, but, but. This is probably just a change of "mood"; I cannot see the religious groups giving up their control of the education system. Jeremy Hardy once joked: "All religions are keen on educating children - let's face it, they'd never be able to convince adults".

I fear, these schools and their divisiveness will be with us for many years.

Toby

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7. Comment #113549 by AshtonBlack on January 20, 2008 at 2:14 am

 avatar"sectarian schools"

oooo I like that. To a brit, it alludes to the "troubles" in Northern Ireland.

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8. Comment #113553 by Paula Kirby on January 20, 2008 at 2:29 am

 avatarYes, I, too, have been encouraged by more recent news of Ed Balls' position on this topic. But, just in case he gets over-ruled, here are some more ideas for promoting cohesion in our society:

Let's help disabled children be more integrated into society by schooling them separately from able-bodied children.

And there's clearly only one way to overcome the communication difficulties between men and women, and that's by ensuring that the 2 sexes never meet in school hours during their formative years.

As for the lack of understanding between people of different races, well, clearly, the only way to stamp that out once and for all is to keep them apart as much as possible. In fact, why stop at schooling? Why not insist on separate housing areas, separate shopping areas, separate buses and trains? Let's just bring in fully fledged apartheid - after all, that was super-efficient at producing peace, harmony and justice last time it was tried, wasn't it?

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9. Comment #113558 by MatthewL on January 20, 2008 at 3:05 am

I went to a methodist school, almost every student was atheist. Strange how these things work out.

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10. Comment #113566 by davorg on January 20, 2008 at 3:56 am

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"sectarian schools" might be a better name
I've always prefered "superstition schools" :-)

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11. Comment #113567 by irate_atheist on January 20, 2008 at 4:11 am

 avatarHey, Preacher.

Leave them kids alone.

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12. Comment #113572 by ericcolumba on January 20, 2008 at 4:27 am

 avatarNot all faith schools represent the same danger as not all religions are equally repressive, homophobic, mysoginistic and intollerant of the individuals right to abandon the faith that they never chose.

The creation of state funded muslim schools amounts to government sponsored fascism, all done in the name of multiculturalism and trying not to offend those who believe in the supernatural

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13. Comment #113575 by Paula Kirby on January 20, 2008 at 4:37 am

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ericcolumba: Not all faith schools represent the same danger as not all religions are equally repressive, homophobic, mysoginistic and intollerant of the individuals right to abandon the faith that they never chose.
That's undoubtedly true, but what they all have in common is the sheer inappropriateness of their being funded publicly.

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14. Comment #113582 by Peacebeuponme on January 20, 2008 at 5:40 am

It just amazes me that the government wants us to move to increasing the number of faith schools rather than reducing them. I cannot believe that in the 21st century reason is still not winning out. We don't have our own Hogwarts, or astrology schools. I doubt very much you could get approval for a satanist school, so why a catholic or muslim one? What if the Scientologists try to start one?

They encourage divisiveness and teach rubbish (to varying degrees), and I am astounded that here in the UK we are allowing it. How far does it go? Will we have our very own madrassas in the future?

One thing the theists point to is how well they perform. This needs to be addressed and action taken to change. Why is it that non-faith schools generally do worse? I suspect the answer lies in the selection methods of the faith schools.

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15. Comment #113583 by Peacebeuponme on January 20, 2008 at 5:42 am

inappropriateness of their being funded publicly.
I would fo further. I don't want children of this country indoctrinated with private funds either.

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16. Comment #113588 by Radesq on January 20, 2008 at 6:05 am

 avatarYour childrens' minister is named Ed Balls? No wonder you have so many religious schools in Britain.;)
Do you have a minister of roads and bridges named Otto Shite?

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17. Comment #113589 by rod-the-farmer on January 20, 2008 at 6:08 am

 avatarThe October 2007 provincial election in Ontario, Canada, was fought to a considerable extent on the basis of funding being extended to faith-based schools. This was the policy proposed by John Tory, the Conservative party leader. It was a classic case of "shoot me in the foot, the knee, the thigh, etc." The issue was not even visible until the election started, but became THE hot issue. The Liberal opposition increased their majority, and John Tory failed to win even his own seat, despite trying to back away from the school funding issue, late in the campaign. Since 1964, in a then-controversial decision, Catholic schools in Ontario have received partial funding, but no others (Jewish, etc.) The point was made that the since Catholic schools were being funded, for fairness sake, funding should then be extended to all faith-based schools. The question is now being raised in many circles that maybe Ontario should not fund ANY faith-based schools. This has raised considerable concern in the Catholic school boards and schools, faced with losing their funding. The environment has of course changed since 1964, and the threat of radical elements in some muslim schools or mosques has raised the concern level in the minds of many.

In addition, part of the John Tory platform involved teaching creationism in schools, documented here.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070905.wtoryrelig0905/BNStory/National/home

...another round fired into the underpinnings of the Ontario Conservative Party.

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18. Comment #113593 by octopus on January 20, 2008 at 6:28 am

Cannot wait to see the first school for Jedi knights to be publicly funded. May force be with you!

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19. Comment #113594 by Nick Good on January 20, 2008 at 6:34 am

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I need to start my own atheist school, atheists only! No doubt that the fundies wouldn't approve. :)
That's a good point, it might be a good tactic too.

Rather than non-denominational schools, motivate for the state to fund schools, where the parents have to be members of the National Secular Society!

Or more realistically, it's a strong argument to use as a counter example - by way of Reductio ad absurdum - to set against arguments for 'faith schools' which use religious selection.

In practice, I wouldn't support atheist schools either. Schools should be non-denominational, religion should be taught as a subject - comparative religion, rather than any one 'brand' being inculcated into young, impressionable minds by indoctrination.

There should be no religious selection criteria in any school, for teachers or pupils; anymore than there should be any racial selection criteria. It should be seen as simply not-acceptable, anymore than it would be acceptable for the British Army, Tescos or the National Health Service, to have a selection process that favoured by race or religion...it's well time for the zeitgeist with regards religion in education to catch up with that regarding race. UK education is behind the curve when compared to the employment field, where outside of specific religious establishments, selection by religion, is getting to be just not acceptable.

We are in danger of slipping backwards, if the argument for religious schools holds, then why not for tertiary education institutions? I wont tangent in detail onto the disestablishment argument....but it does come to mind.

In practice, the biggest problem at the moment, is with Islam. Anlglicinism, the UK state religion, and Christianity in general, are in terminal decline in the UK.

Now personally, I don't see being an 'Islmophobe' as a pejorative at all, not in the slightest. Rather it's a tad oxymoronic, as 'fear of Islam' is anything but a 'phobia', meaning irrational - given Islam's koranic literalist mainstream form and it's history of being promulgated by violence since the time of the 'prophet'; something which manifests all over the World, to this day. This, combined with current Islamic demographics in the UK, as well as other countries, boosted by fecundity, serial immigration and massive global Saudi funding.

There are 150 new state funded Islamic schools in the pipeline in the UK, think about this good people! I think this is more than silly, and to put it mildly, is directly contrary to the UK's national interest.

We're going to see more of this sort of thing, which, to use a Kofi Annan-esque understatement, gives me cause for 'deep concern' - We want to offer Sharia Law in Britain



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20. Comment #113621 by Jack Rawlinson on January 20, 2008 at 7:48 am

 avatarPaula Kirby writes: "And there's clearly only one way to overcome the communication difficulties between men and women, and that's by ensuring that the 2 sexes never meet in school hours during their formative years."

Hey, that was the system I grew up in, and it worked fine for me! I never had any problems relating to girls as a a teenager! Oh wait... yes I did. Good point. Carry on. :-)

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21. Comment #113624 by JamieR on January 20, 2008 at 8:03 am

 avatarThat scared me the from reading that I get the impression things are getting worse not better should be ageist the law to abuse your kids minds by filling it with death related myths to make your kids insane

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22. Comment #113626 by Friend Giskard on January 20, 2008 at 8:05 am

 avatarComment #113533 by Slyer on January 20, 2008 at 12:33 am
I need to start my own atheist school, atheists only! No doubt that the fundies wouldn't approve. :)

In fact someone has very recently tried to start a secular (not atheist) school in Britain, but the government soon put a stop to it. Read about it here:
http://www.secularism.org.uk/secularschoolingforgetitsaysthec.html

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23. Comment #113652 by justdust on January 20, 2008 at 9:49 am

To paraphrase Ernest Bevin, faith schools open up a Pandora's box of Trojan horses for our country.


I'd say that's about right.

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24. Comment #113666 by dialector on January 20, 2008 at 10:12 am

"All religious faiths, without exception, are self-selecting minorities. They represent groups of people who have chosen certain beliefs."

This is not true. A great many people are born into a religion, and choice has little to do with it. Christianity has little interest in their subjects choosing anything. That is why the perjorative term "heretic" is used. It comes from a greek term "hairesis" meaning "the act of choosing".

If religious belief was truly an act of thoughtful choice, there would be much less religious people in the world. Or religion would be much different.

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25. Comment #113809 by mrjonno on January 20, 2008 at 4:38 pm

Need a Pastafarian school

All kids and teachers in pirate costume
School bar (sure its illegal under 18 but its religious so its ok)
Teaching piratism and global warming in science lessons. Unintelligent design and the noodle basis of gravity

Also a 4 day week
This school sounds good now, show me a kid who wouldnt want to go to that. There certainly would be no truancy

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26. Comment #113828 by mjwemdee on January 20, 2008 at 5:18 pm

 avatarComment #113652 by justdust

faith schools open up a Pandora's box of Trojan horses for our country.


I agree. But it's a helluva mixed mythological metaphor.

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27. Comment #113842 by dragonfirematrix on January 20, 2008 at 6:22 pm

Oh, those continuous dubious flirtations with faith… of mixing politics and religion…

We need to get back to basics. We need to get back to truth. We need to start atheist-based schools, evolution-based schools, humanist-based schools, secular humanist based schools, Wicca-based schools etc. I bet this would excite the faith based!

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28. Comment #113994 by cassdenata on January 21, 2008 at 7:13 am

It is good to see the consciousness-raising of not labeling children by their parents religion, that Professor Dawkins is promoting, is catching on.

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29. Comment #114371 by rod-the-farmer on January 22, 2008 at 5:00 am

 avatarFurther info about the link I mentioned in my post #17. Here is the link again to the story about "Creationism raised as Ontario election issue" and faith-based schools.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070905.wtoryrelig0905/BNStory/National/home

I did a rough count of the 378 comments that were made about that story, before it was closed. There seem to be about 35 (one in ten) supporting the idea, and many of them were from the same person. The remaining 90% were fairly unanimous that creationism does not belong in schools, but in churches. What WAS telling, and this may be of interest to politicians in the UK, was that a large number of those who commented said, essentially, "I WAS going to vote for them, as I have voted for that party for many years. Until they raised this stupid idea, and now I will make sure I vote against them." Now of course, the electorate in Canada does not map exactly to that in the UK. And certainly it is not even close to that in the U.S. But it is indicative of how a policy about which many feel strongly, can reverse the tide of voter support. The strange thing is that this came out of nowhere. There was no real public debate on the subject, prior to the election. If the Conservative Party leader had just kept his mouth shut, he may very well have won the election. Now, he did not even win his own seat, and he is facing a leadership vote
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2007/12/06/tory-leadership.html
he and his supporters do not want!

More background material...Canada has had Roman Catholic schools since the country was formed, I think because this was done to get the almost-entirely French province of Quebec (read Catholic) to join, back in 1867. In the province of Ontario, partial funding was extended to RC schools only in 1984. There were also many comments to the story in the above link that said "Now that you have raised the issue, we should strip the Catholic schools of their funding, since we do not want ANY religious schools to receive government funding." So not only has this policy caused the Conservative party to lose the election, they may inadvertently have caused the electorate to rise up and call for canceling funding for the RC schools. Surely this will not help this party regain the support it lost over this issue in the recent election. Catholics may be furious that this ill-conceived policy has blown up in their faces, when they did not start the ball rolling anyway.

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30. Comment #114373 by flying goose on January 22, 2008 at 5:21 am

 avatarThis like many things in education is driven by those living in urban areas where I think it is possible to speak about faith schools in this way. In my part of rural Britain the picture is somewhat different.
Our local c of e primary isn't a faith school, it just happens to be on land donated by the c of e.

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31. Comment #116273 by crabsallover on January 26, 2008 at 5:48 am

 avatarRichard Dawkins and I belong to two organisations in the UK (NSS and BHA) that actively campaign to oppose faith schools.

The more UK citizens who join these organisations the more effective will their voice be - The National Secular Society (NSS) www.secularism.org.uk and British Humanist Association (BHA) www.humanism.org.uk - both organisations costs less than £30 a year to be a member.

I have blogged at HASSERS about UK faith schools:
http://hassers.blogspot.com/search/label/faith%20schools

The Government (Ed Balls' Department for Children, Schools and families www.dfes.gov.uk) and faith school providers say in the "Faith in the System" publication:

http://www.dcsf.gov.uk/publications/faithinthesystem/pdfs/FaithInTheSystem.pdf

that they believe all schools - whether religious or not - play a key role in providing a safe environment for interaction between different faiths and communities. In this way they foster understanding, integration and cohesion.

The Association of Teachers and Lecturers questioned whether faith schools do provide for "interaction between different faiths and communities" and question why schools, in which the majority of funding comes from the state, should, as the government proposes, nurture young people in a particular faith. The job of schools is to nurture young people as individuals and as responsible and compassionate global citizens, rather than promoting a particular religious viewpoint. Our members believe that we need schools which embrace the diversity within our community, not a diversity of schools dividing pupils and staff on religious grounds."

http://hassers.blogspot.com/2007/09/faith-school-backing-challenged.html

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32. Comment #136868 by HitbLade on March 1, 2008 at 10:36 pm

http://www.physicsforums.com/archive/index.php/t-191466.html

Crack down on faith schools in Sweden, creationism BANNED! GO BJÖRKLUND!
"The pupils must be protected against all forms of fundamentalism"

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