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Sunday, February 10, 2008 | Reason : Commentary | print version Print | Comments

Document Good people doing evil things

by The East African, Betty Caplan

Thanks to SPS for the link.

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http://www.nationmedia.com/eastafrican/current/Magazine/mag110220081.htm

By BETTY CAPLAN caplanbetty@hotmail.com

I FIND THE GOD DELUSION BY RICHARD Dawkins particularly relevant to Kenya's current political impasse: Why has it been felt necessary to call in religious leaders to broker peace? Have their pleas to the gangs of the discontented and dispossessed to put down their machetes helped? Of course not. Even the great Archbishop Desmond Tutu failed to achieve anything.

Dawkins asks of just such initiatives that involve the clergy: "But why the chaplain? Why not the gardener or the chef? Why are scientists so cravenly respectful towards the ambitions of theologians over questions that theologians are certainly no more qualified to answer than scientists themselves?"

Could it be that religion is part of the problem and not the solution? Has a blind faith in God and religious leaders led to a kind of fatalism and willingness which leads people to hand over responsibility for important decisions in their lives to others, in this case men who are clearly not cut out for the job? Dawkins even doubts that theology is a subject at all.

What Dawkins objects to most, he says, is the way religion curtails thought. Curiosity is considered a disease and anything that cannot be explained is shoved aside into a drawer labeled "God's miracles." This is lazy science, he says. When it comes to the age-old argument about creation and God, the ultimate maker of all, there is a problem of infinite regress. If God is the great designer, then who designed God?

He replies to the "creationists" and the intelligent design school by explaining that natural selection is a cumulative process that breaks the problem of improbability into small pieces. Those who wish to believe in "irreducible complexity" consider it a virtue to be satisfied with not understanding. Quoting American geneticist Jerry Coyne, Dawkins says, "If the history of science shows us anything it is that we get nowhere by labelling our ignorance 'God.'

Ah, then, you ask, how are we know the difference between right and wrong? How do we deal with morality? What, if not religion, should guide our behaviour? He quotes a researcher who carried out double-bind experiments with both believers and non-believers on moral questions and found absolutely no difference. Are you a mature human being if your sole reason for being good is to win God's approval or avoid disappointment and punishment? "People say we need religion when what they really mean is that we need police," he says.

If goodness can be equated with religiosity, how is that three out of five of the most dangerous cities in the US are in the pious state of Texas, home to President George Bush, under whose rule more executions were carried out than anywhere else in the country?

There has been a change in what Dawkins calls the "moral zeitgeist" or spirit of the time. As we know, the Gospels were written years after Jesus's death and cobbled together to form an anthology of disjointed documents. Certain versions such as the Hammadi texts or Gnostic Gospels found in the middle of the last century or the recently discovered Gospel of Judas throw a different light on the story of Jesus, as did Dan Brown's Da Vinci Code. But bible enthusiasts have a habit of picking and choosing the bits that suit them. They decide when to be literal and when to be symbolical.

For instance, they take the story of Noah literally, and don't question it: "The legend of the animals going two by two into the ark is charming, but the moral of the story of Noah is appalling. God took a dim view of humans, so he — with the exception of one family — drowned the lot of them including children, and also for good measure the — presumably blameless— animals as well." You begin to see where the heavy punitive measures of the Israeli government towards the Palestinians come from.

ANOTHER QUIRK OF THE REL-igious right is the obsession with other people's private sexual inclinations. This reaches the point of absurdity when a man such as Pat Robertson, one of America's foremost televangelists and a former presidential candidate, blames the advent of the 2006 Hurricane Katrina on a lesbian comedian who happened to be living in New Orleans.

Dawkins uses the biblical story of Lot to show that the idea of goodness being proffered leaves much to be desired. This patriarch offered his daughters' virginity rather than have strangers sodomised in his home.

This is behaviour typical of a jealous and wrathful God who flies into a rage whenever his "chosen people" flirt with a rival god. The Old Testament is chock full of terrible battles such as the one between the Israelites and the Midianites in which all boy children and virgins were to be put to the sword (Numbers 31:18).

Dawkins reminds us that the American constitution was drawn up as a secular document, and that the Founding Fathers might not be well pleased with what they saw today were they to come down from heaven — presumably their current abode. The American scientist Steven Weinberg asserts: "Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things it takes religion."

Instead of focusing on the green forests, thunderous seas, or the brilliant night skies full of galaxies we don't even know about, too many Christians concentrate on sin, guilt and repentance — the latter of which could easily be bought until Martin Luther's revolutionary time.

There is a spirit of revenge in the Judaeo/Christian mindset: Judas betrayed Jesus because the latter chose him for the role. For that reason, Jews have been vilified for centuries and their ritual practices ridiculed.

John Hartnung points out that the Ten Commandments are confined to Jews. Thou shalt not kill meant specifically, "Thou shalt not kill Jews." Anyone found murdering in the presence of witnesses must be put to death by the sword. However, "needless to say, one is not put to death if he kills a heathen."

So much for the sanctity of human life. Compassion and understanding of others are in short supply. The three daily prayers of an orthodox Jew are: Blessed art thou for not making me a woman; blessed art thou for not making me a Gentile and blessed art thou for not making me a slave.

Do not imagine that atheists don't have their own code of conduct that Dawkins quotes a few examples that please him: In all things strive to do no harm; live life with a sense of joy and wonder and question everything.

And then adds his own for good measure: Enjoy your sex life — as long as it damages nobody else — and leave others to enjoy theirs in private whatever their inclinations, which are none of your business; value the future on a time scale longer than your own and do not indoctrinate your children. Teach them how to think for themselves, how to evaluate evidence and how to disagree with you.

The notion of a "Christian" or "Muslim" child is anathema to him because children aren't old enough to have made up their minds about such complex things. The sorry story of Catholic and Protestant children in Northern Ireland having to be escorted through crowds of adults howling insults just to get to school will have marked them for life. Yet they are all Christians.

Many wars have been fought in the name of religion, but no war that I know of has been fought for atheism. Atheists are not evangelists but for the most part, those who are intensely religious believe that they have the key to divine truth, which makes them superior and inflames them with a compulsion to force it on you. Doesn't the idea that Kenya is a "Christian nation" give the lie to the 30 per cent who are Muslims? Not to mention the smaller groups of Sikhs, Hindus, Jews and Atheists?

IN A BOOK TITLED THE END OF Faith Sam Harris writes, "The danger of religious faith is that it allows otherwise normal human beings to reap the fruits of madness and consider them holy."

Some people can't help wondering why Dawkins is so hostile to religion. His answer is: "Because people bomb, stone, crucify and fly planes into skyscrapers in the name of religion."

A genuine scientist will admit, on being confronted by contradictory evidence, that he is wrong. Fundamentalists, on the other hand, like politicians, can never do so — another reason why Kenya finds itself in the present crisis.

"As a scientist, I am hostile to fundamentalist religion because it actively debauches the scientific enterprise. It teaches us not to change our minds? it subverts science and saps the intellect."

It is the very arbitrariness of the Christian right in particular that infuriates him because of its complete lack of logic: It is passionate about embryos and the taking of human life and yet indifferent to the fate of desperate mothers and living, suffering children.

The American anti-abortion outfit that calls itself 'Operation Rescue' sees no contradiction in mothers being attacked for going to abortion clinics or doctors murdered for allowing women the right to choose their own reproductive futures, all to save some embryos from destruction. He quotes the Beethoven argument: imagine if an embryo you destroyed was a genius like Beethoven? But isn't it just as fair to ask, what if it had spared us a Hitler? A Stalin? An Idi Amin? You can't have it both ways!

IN DAWKINS' VIEW, SAUDI ARAbia is the cruellest country in the world, yet it is the US's favoured partner in the "war on terror." There, women are not permitted to drive or even to leave home without a male relative (who can be a small child). Why hasn't the great American democratic project been wished on this country? Could it possibly have something to do with oil?

Bertrand Russell, the British philosopher wrote, "Many people would sooner die than think. In fact, they do."

For him, as for Dawkins, faith is definitely not a virtue because it silences questioning. Too many children have had the fear of hell put into them and had to submit to sadistic nuns and lewd priests. "Children should be taught not what to think but how to think," says Dawkins.

What a pity comparative religion isn't taught more widely, together with an appreciation of the literary beauty of many religious texts like the great King James version of the Bible of 1611 or the sonnets of priests like the doubt-riddled Gerard Manley Hopkins or John Donne.

For those who are certain that there is a God-shaped hole in our lives, Dawkins urges them to fill it with something else like science, art, human friendship or the sheer love of life in the real world. Religion plays too heavily on the fear of death and hellfire. Listen to the inimitable Mark Twain: "I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born and had not suffered the lightest inconvenience from it."

Dawkins is a professor of Public Understanding of Science at Oxford University and author of other controversial books such as The Selfish Gene and The Blind Watchmaker among others.

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1. Comment #125049 by Andrew Stich on February 10, 2008 at 8:28 pm

This article used its sources well.

Nice Bertrand Russell quote.

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2. Comment #125062 by mdowe on February 10, 2008 at 9:06 pm

 avatarThe article seems to more of a summary of some of the book's points than anything else. It also has a few errors and misquotes, but at least she has clearly read the book! Curious how you can judge a reviewer's sympathies 9 out of 10 times simply by whether or not they have actually bothered to read the book.

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3. Comment #125071 by Damien White on February 10, 2008 at 9:54 pm

People's gods do not form the basis of their morals, people's morals form the basis of their gods.
That's why most people quote the commandment 'thou shalt not kill' instead of god's instruction to kill anyone caught working upon the sabbath.

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4. Comment #125075 by ChicagoMolly on February 10, 2008 at 10:26 pm

He quotes the Beethoven argument: imagine if an embryo you destroyed was a genius like Beethoven? But isn't it just as fair to ask, what if it had spared us a Hitler? A Stalin? An Idi Amin? You can't have it both ways!


And of course, if Beethoven had never been born, he would never have been missed. But the next step is to say: If I had never been born, I would never be missed. And if you had never been born, you would never be missed.

And that's the part they really don't want to face.

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5. Comment #125087 by Robert Maynard on February 10, 2008 at 11:55 pm

 avatarIt warms my heart to see that the effect The God Delusion is having on religious discourse extends beyond your average industrialised democracy.

EDIT: This newspaper is published in Kenya, which is an industrialised democracy (despite the current problems). My narrow knowledge of Africa's diversity has made a fool of me. Maybe I should have said beyond the Western world.. but that term has always seemed out of date.. anyway! This article makes me glad.

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6. Comment #125238 by scotriani on February 11, 2008 at 5:32 am

It's good to see that more people are taking what Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris and others are trying to do seriously. We need logic and reason now more than ever.

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7. Comment #125241 by Tyler Durden on February 11, 2008 at 5:39 am

 avatarNice summary of the main points at hand.

And just to be pedantic :)

Dawkins is a the professor of Public Understanding of Science at Oxford University and author of other controversial books such as The Selfish Gene and The Blind Watchmaker among others.

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8. Comment #125403 by sarah95 on February 11, 2008 at 10:16 am

 avatargreat article!

Curious how you can judge a reviewer's sympathies 9 out of 10 times simply by whether or not they have actually bothered to read the book.


indeed. i even know Dawkins fans at my school who will purposely turn down the tone of their previous love for The Selfish Gene and others, simply to turn up their detest at TGD, which, by simply listening to their straw men, you can tell they haven't even read. is it really so hard to say: "well, i'm religious so i don't expect to like TGD, but i haven't read it, so i don't really know. i did like his other stuff though!"

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9. Comment #125431 by MaxD on February 11, 2008 at 10:59 am

 avatarMy major problem with the article is that it hasn't really explained the Kenya question. I was trying to get a Quaker friend to tell me what the differences between the two groups were (he works there, or did until very recently) and all I could get out of him was they have different languages and its all very complicated. I'd say more but it was analysis that was more interested in being apologetic rather than really explaining what was motivating Kenyans.

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10. Comment #125462 by Duff on February 11, 2008 at 12:02 pm

MaxD,
At the risk of oversimplification, the problem in Kenya is all about tribalism/religion/ingroup/outgroup; my tribe is the annointed by god tribe; the members of the other tribe smell. Its all the same old thing.

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11. Comment #125716 by Robert Maynard on February 11, 2008 at 10:49 pm

 avatarIt is an ethnic conflict, but I don't know of any religious factor (which is probably why religious leaders aren't going to solve this). Essentially the incumbent president is from the largest 'tribe' in Kenya, and his opponent rallied strong multi-tribe support against his re-election. The opponent was declared the winner based on early results, but then the gap closed and the results changed, and lots of people got angry, accusing the party (and by proxy the tribe) of rigging the election.

Wiki sums it up:

* voting in elections has widely been along ethnic lines in most of Kenya's communities
* there is a widespread perception that the count of the presidential election was modified in favour of Kibaki (the incumbent)
* during colonial times Kikuyu people were displaced from their fertile highlands and after independence they were settled outside their traditional areas especially in the Rift Valley.
* there is a belief among other tribes that the Kikuyu community in Kenya has dominated the country since independence.

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12. Comment #125769 by Jon_Sociologist on February 12, 2008 at 2:38 am

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You begin to see where the heavy punitive measures of the Israeli government towards the Palestinians come from.


Yeah. It couldn't possibly be that Israel is trying to protect itself from hordes of Muslim fanatics who have been attempting and advocating the genocide of the Jewish people since before Israel became a nation.

It never ceases to amaze me that some Atheists will side with rabid Muslim fanatics against the most secular country in the region. Atheists in Israel are a powerful political force. Atheists in Palestinian controlled areas had better hope no one finds out or they will be executed as apostates. Israel tolerates a large muslim minority, and while there is discrimination these muslims live better and are less oppressed than the muslims in surrounding nations. There are a handful of religious jews in Palestinian controlled areas who must attempt to appear muslim because they will be killed, tortured or worse if anyone finds out their religion, in fact any non-muslim either lives in fear or is an idiot, as muslims frequently attack any target openly affiliated with any non-muslim religion (such as christian churches and bookstores).

Mindless Israel bashers should consider something: chances are that if they had to live in Israel they would be tolerated, free, and would likely live a long life, but if they had to live in the Palestinian territories they would likely be kidnapped tortured and murdered by the Palestinian muslims they so vociferously defend. So as an Atheist where would you want to live? In Israel where a significant portion of the population is openly Atheist and well tolerated or the Palestinian territories, where Hamas and Islamic Jihad will try to kill you or worse.

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13. Comment #125776 by irate_atheist on February 12, 2008 at 3:07 am

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Do not imagine that atheists don't have their own code of conduct that Dawkins quotes a few examples that please him..
No, seriously, there is no atheist 'code of conduct'.

Atheism is not a religion.

It is not a philosophy.

It is not a club.

Nonetheless, overall 7/10

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14. Comment #125786 by HughCaldwell on February 12, 2008 at 4:03 am

"..Israel is trying to protect itself from hordes of Muslim fanatics ... 12. Comment #125769 by Jon_Sociologist on February 12, 2008 at 2:38 am "

Here we have a perfect example of good people, virtuously atheist Israelis, doing evil things by overzealously, even genocidally it might be argued, entrenching themselves in Palestine. The religious element is there, though. The god of the religious is Yahweh, of the others Israel.

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15. Comment #125800 by Luthien on February 12, 2008 at 4:42 am

 avatarIt's good to see people taking up these ideas and applying them to their own situations / problems. Once the idea is there it's half the battle :-)

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16. Comment #125865 by HughCaldwell on February 12, 2008 at 7:36 am

"It's good to see people taking up these ideas and applying them to their own situations / problems.15. Comment #125800 by Luthien on February 12, 2008 at 4:42 am"

Absolutely. It's good to see the evil done by the very good Israelis raised.

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17. Comment #127085 by MaxD on February 15, 2008 at 12:11 am

 avatarAh, Hugh,
I can always count on you to over simplify. Way to go. And always attempting to impugn the moral character of someone you disagree with. Are you a Scientologist or something?

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18. Comment #129323 by Jon_Sociologist on February 19, 2008 at 1:32 am

 avatarHughCaldwell:
doing evil things by overzealously, even genocidally it might be argued, entrenching themselves in Palestine

You seem to imply that the Israelis have no right "entrenching themselves in Palestine". So if the Jews have no right to live in Palestine, I'm curious as to your opinion of Turks living in Germany? Are the neo-Nazis correct in wishing them ethnically cleansed? If not then why do you think the Palestinian militants are right in their aim to ethnically cleanse the Israelis from "Palestine"?

As to your smear that Israel is committing genocide on the Palestinians, the evidence would imply that you are full of it. Israeli Arabs (a.k.a. Palestinians with Israeli citizenship) make up 19.86% of the population of Israel (Wiki: Demographics of Israel). At 1,413,300 their population has increased greatly since 1945 when their population was 407,000, much like the Arab population of the Palestinian Authority that has gone from 725,000 in 1945 to about 3,578,329 (this includes a few non-Arabs from the West Bank: Kurds, Sharkasians, and Armenians) (Wiki: UN Partition Plan). If there were a genocide going on wouldn't those populations be decreasing rapidly? A little critical thinking goes a long way. And be realistic, Israel took on and defeated virtually all of the Arab world in 1948, 1967, and 1973, wiping out the Palestinians would be easily within Israel's power. The fact that they have not shows that they aren't trying (Note: although some Israeli's advocate genocide/ethnic cleansing it is limited to the sort of fringe groups that all nations have their share of).

Now compare this to the Palestinian Territories: in Gaza 99.4% are Palestinian Arabs, and 0.6% are Jews. On the West Bank Palestinian Arabs and others (Kurd, Sharkasian, Armenian) make up 83% of the population while 17% are Jews (Wiki: Demographics of the Palestinian territories). Except for a small minority of Samaritan Jews near Nablus, the vast majority of Jews on the West Bank live under armed guard (and are Israeli citizens), as Palestinian militants tend to try to kill them whenever possible. Those Jews not under armed guard must disguise themselves as muslims to avoid persecution and death (much like any other non-muslims in the area). Notably Israeli Arabs do not need armed guards and walls around their communities, and many serve in the Israeli army and in the Israeli Knesset (similar to parliament or congress). Raleb Majadele, a Palestinian, is currently a cabinet minister in Israel.

Is there racism in Israel? Certainly, but show me a country without it. Is there currently a genocide going on? Obviously not, the Palestinian population is still rising.

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19. Comment #130908 by krisking on February 21, 2008 at 1:31 pm

No, seriously, there is no atheist 'code of conduct'.

Atheism is not a religion.

It is not a philosophy.

It is not a club.


Is it anything?

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