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Tuesday, March 25, 2008 | Reason : In the News | print version Print | Comments

Document Expelled Overview

by Josh Timonen, RichardDawkins.net

Since I was one of the group who watched Expelled at the Mall of America last week with Richard Dawkins and (not!) PZ Myers, I thought I should do my part to expose the movie for what it is. Richard and PZ Myers have written responses, a conversation between them about their experience is now online, and over one hundred blog posts have appeared on the subject. I think the best contribution I can make to all of this is to give you as detailed an account of the actual film as I can, so that you don't have to give Mark Mathis any money in order to know what Expelled is all about.

Expelled is said to be opening in 1,000 theaters nationwide on April 18th. Please don't give them any of your money to see it. If it tanks in the theaters, and you have the stomach for such garbage, I'm sure you'll be able to see it soon by other means that don't involve supporting Creationists.

Before the film
Mathis came out before the film and told everyone that the showing was being projected from a laptop, and that on previous screenings this had caused the film to appear dark. He assured us that this had been corrected this time, and that he thought they had it looking pretty good. When the film started, it looked really dark. So dark, that you couldn't even really see the scenes in some shots. Stein's voiceover audio was also distorted (too much gain). It really was an unprofessional showing, and a terribly unprofessional film, aside from the content.

Music
First off: Either Expelled has a disproportionately-large music budget (for how bad of a film it is), or they are using songs they haven't paid for in their Director's Cut private screenings (that may be changed before the official nationwide release). John Lennon's "Imagine" is played (original version) over B&W scenes of what looked like communist China, with a parade of soldiers. The lyrics to the song were subtitled on the bottom of the screen. I think I remember a shot of Stalin saluting somewhere in here as well. The part of the song played was of course "...and no religion too...", implying that no religion equals communist China. Does Yoko know about this? I doubt she'd be pleased.

The Killers' song "All These Things That I've Done" was used at the end of the film. The part of the song used was the bridge with the lyrics "I've got soul but I'm not a soldier". I'm guessing that wasn't cheap, and I'm surprised that a fairly popular band like The Killers would want their reputation tarnished by being in a Creationist film - especially since this is THE song that the film ends with, very prominently. Maybe The Killers don't know about this, and someone should tell them?

"The Wall"
The film opens with scenes of the Berlin wall being built, brick by brick. The footage and title cards are affected to look old, like a 50's educational film. The effect doesn't look professional, and by this point I was already starting to question the technical quality of the film. They're really trying to push this in national theatres? Don't they have someone sympathetic to this nonsense that knows how to make a film?

"Big Science"
We see clips of PZ Myers, Dawkins, Dennett, etc. criticizing ID. No surprise here, but we can be fairly certain that the filmmakers know their audience, and it isn't anyone on the fence. The only people who will find these statements to be negative are those who have bought into Mathis' "Big Science" Conspiracy.

We see Ben Stein preparing to speak in a college auditorium. It really felt like they were trying to emulate Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth.

USA #1!
Ben Stein is the narrator, and is as terrible as you can imagine. He gives a monologue about how freedom is what makes America great, over images of flags around the Washington Monument, the Lincoln Memorial, Stein walking by the mirror pond, and so on. Stein and Mathis of course want you to think that freedom should also extend to the classroom, as in "teaching the controversy". He says "Why should we allow freedom in all other areas, but not in science?"

Eugenie Scott
Expelled even tries to make Eugenie Scott look like a villain, which is absurd. Eugenie Scott works for NCSE, which is a non-profit group working to keep Evolution in science education. She shows them a map with colored pins in it, where problems have come up in teaching evolution.

"Intellectual Terrorists"
Stein goes to meet a couple of people who claim to have lost their jobs due to mentioning ID in some way connected to a University. Big Science is squashing all the little guys who don't toe the pro-Darwin line, obviously. Eugenie Scott and NCSE are collecting information on debunking these stories. They are building their response page at http://www.expelledexposed.com/

Here's a brief explanation from NCSE:

Expelled Exposed is a new National Center for Science Education website that counters the Ben Stein/Premise Media anti-evolution movie, Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed. It is available at www.expelledexposed.com. Currently in a preliminary stage, Expelled Exposed consists of a collection of links containing the most basic and important resources for teachers, scientists, reporters, and members of the public who seek information now to respond to this movie. On April 16, days before the movie Expelled is premiered on April 18, NCSE will launch the full version of the website. In its final form, Expelled Exposed will examine claims made in the movie and explain, neatly and concisely, why each is an exaggeration, a misrepresentation, or a fabrication. NCSE encourages all interested parties to bookmark the site, and pass the link on to friends and family, so that by the time the creationist movie is released, www.expelledexposed.com will be the most popular Expelled site on the internet!


The Discovery Institute
We see Stein walking the streets of Seattle trying to be funny "I don't know where we are... Is this third street? Where are we?" I know it doesn't sound funny written out, and it wasn't funny on-screen, but you could tell from his strained delivery that Stein was TRYING to be funny. The sympathetic audience did laugh, which was even sadder. Stein asks people on the street how to get to the Discovery institute, and no one he meets has even heard of it. I guess the point is to make you think that The Discovery Institute isn't very big or influential. "It must be this whole building" Stein says when they arrive, and acts shocked when he finds out it is only half a floor in the building, with a staff of about 30. See? The Discovery Institute is just a harmless little group on half a floor! They all look so friendly! A very friendly interview follows with someone from the Institute, and the implication is that they are the struggling underdogs.

We see a second attempt at comedy when Stein is in a boardroom meeting (I think it was at the Discovery Institute) and starts to look bored, pulls out an expandable pointing device, and proceeds to scratch his back with it. It doesn't sound funny, and it wasn't funny. But you could once again tell he was trying to be funny. I guess that was enough to get the sympathetic audience in Minneapolis to laugh once again.

Michael Shermer
Stein goes to speak with Michael Shermer (Skeptic.com), and asks him what he would think about people losing their jobs for publishing about ID. Michael Shermer had this to say about this experience with the Expelled team:

My take on Mathis is that he's an opportunist. He says and does whatever he thinks necessary to get his film made and now promoted. My guess on the latest flap about tossing PZ out of the screening but not Dawkins was PZ's original assumption that they just didn't notice Dawkins there, and only after the fact rationalizing the whole affair with plausible (and ever changing) reasons.

For my part, the moment I sat down with Stein (with Mathis there) and he asked me that question about firing people for expressing dissenting views a dozen times, I realized that I was being manipulated to give certain answers they were looking for me to give. I asked them both, several times, if they had anything else to ask me about evolutionary theory or Intelligent Design. In frustration I finally said something like "Do you have any other questions to ask me or do you keep asking me this question in hopes that I'll give a different answer?"

That's when Stein finally changed the subject and asked about social Darwinism. We got into a lengthy discussion about Adam Smith, which he seemed surprised to learn that I seemed to know more about the great economist than he did! For example, he didn't seem to even realize that Smith's first book was "The Theory of Moral Sentiments", and that Smith didn't trust businessmen any more than he trusted government bureaucrats, and that we need a mix of enlightened self-interest and strictly enforced rules of trade. But as I noted in my review of the film for Scientific American, Stein was especially displeased with my linkage of Smith and Darwin, that Darwin read Smith as an undergraduate at Edinburgh, etc. I also pointed out to him that Darwin has been used and abused by ideologues of all stripes, and that in any case that is all separate from whether the science is good or not. That seemed to tax his thinking too much, because shortly after he announced that he had to take a rest break and he just got up and went out to his car for about 20 minutes! Seriously, he just went out to the street next to our office and sat in the rent car they had! I couldn't believe it. We had only been going for about 30 minutes and he was tired? And this was in the late morning. I joked with Mathis that, this being Hollywood and all, I wondered if Stein was out doing a line of cocaine.... Mathis assured me that Stein doesn't do drugs, but I found the whole thing to be quite odd. Then Stein came back in and that's when we walked around the office with the handheld camera to get some B-Roll footage, and they showed him asking me about my books, and that's where I told him I thought ID was much closer to pseudoscience than science. Then he asked me AGAIN if I thought people should be fired....

The whole experience was a bit surreal, and I found Stein to be a somewhat disagreeable man. He tried to come off like he was a star and that I should have been star-struck, and when I wasn't that seemed to get under his skin a bit. For example, when he came back into the office from resting in his car, I said something like "gentlemen, I've got work to do so I'd like to wrap this thing up now," he looked at me like "hey, don't you realize who I am and that you should be grateful to be talking to me?" I let him off the hook a bit in my review about his questionable comment about blacks, but I suspect he has some racist tendencies.


PZ Myers (of Pharyngula-fame)
PZ comes across as very likable in the film, and says he would like to see religion become more of a hobby for people, like knitting.

Sympathizers
There are other scientists interviewed, and I can't remember them all. There are other ID sympathizers who reinforce the 'Big Science' Conspiracy.

Crystals!?
They interview someone else about evolution, who mentions that science doesn't know how life began. So the film shifts to discussing the origin of life on earth. Philosopher Michael Ruse mentions the theory that organic life piggybacked on crystalline structures (Richard writes more about this in his review). Stein takes the opportunity to ridicule the idea: "Crystals!? On the backs of CRYSTALS!?" The film cuts to B&W video of creepy fortunetellers hunching over crystal balls. Stein's only desire is to oversimplify the theory and make fun of it.

The Dover Trial
The trial in Dover, PA is mentioned, but the film tries to spin the crushing defeat (Watch NOVA's piece on the trial here: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/id/ ). Stein says something like "I thought science was decided by evidence, not the courts."

Panspermia
Panspermia (the idea of life originally being seeded by an alien source) is also ridiculed, with a black and white video montage of 1950's aliens, robots, and flying saucers. You'd have to be pretty stupid to think that Panspermia is the same as a 1950's flying saucer movie, but once again, Stein and Mathis know their audience. It also made me think that Mathis was really trying to emulate Michael Moore, who does similar "ridicule" cuts to old black and white footage for laughs. I can just imagine Mathis and his group sitting around saying "what we need to do is rip off as much of An Inconvenient Truth and Michael Moore documentaries as we can, so that we look like a real documentary." I know that is just blind speculation, but that's the feeling I had while watching the film. I just thought I'd share.

Where it all began...
Stein says "It was time for me to go to where it all began," referring to Evolution. Maybe Stein will go to the Galapagos, and describe some of Darwin's early encounters with divergent species? Maybe we will see giant tortoises or finches? No, we just see shots of Down House, where Darwin did most of his writing and microscope work ( http://williamcalvin.com/bookshelf/down_hse.htm ). We see shots of Darwin's books, eyeglasses, microscopes, things like that. The implication seemed to be 'this was just where Darwin thought up all of his crazy ideas, out of thin air'. There is no mention of science, or how Darwin built the Theory of Evolution, just shots of his house. As if this were some 'holy place, for all of those people who worship Darwin as their god'.

Science is just a bunch of old films shown in school
We see a video, which is meant to show the audience the current theory of the origin of life. It shows lightning striking the ocean as a possible trigger for the beginning of life. The film is in color, but it is one of those school films with rounded corners, dirt and scratches through the film. They are presenting this to the audience as if it is the best explanation that science has to offer. The theme of this movie seems to be that science is just a bunch of old dusty films you saw in science class. Whenever they speak of evolution or the origin of life, we don't see anything that isn't at least 30 years old. But of course when they come to ID, we see a state-of-the-art computer animation of the inner workings of a cell.

The film mentions the Miller-Urey experiments (I'm pretty sure these were the experiments referred to in the film) done on the mixture of elements likely to have been around at the dawn of life. Stein's voiceover merely states that these experiments were done to replicate the origin of life, and that "Nothing happened" (there is more to this story, of course). Boy, those stupid scientists should have known then and there that they were way off track!

Chance
There is a short cartoon comparing the origin of life to a row of slot machines, claiming that the origin of life would have been like hitting the jackpot on 200 separate machines, all in a row. Someone says "How are you doing over there Richard?" of course meaning Richard Dawkins. They cut to a cartoon version of Richard kicking a slot machine and cursing at it, apparently because it can't hit the jackpot 200 times in a row. They also apparently couldn't get anyone with a real British accent to do his voice.

Boooooring.......
There are a lot of things that happen through the middle of the film that are just so boring I can't recall them. Mostly we see interviews with people from universities who are complaining about the lack of support for Intelligent Design. Of course NO ONE provides any evidence for ID, other than what Richard calls "The Argument from Personal Incredulity."

The ID All-Stars
It's kind of pathetic to see "Fart-noise" Dembski dragged out as the ID All-Star, but he's brought into the film to describe "Irreducible Complexity", better known as "god-did-it" theory. I think there is a mention of Behe, but he doesn't appear in the film.

Computer Animation
As previously mentioned, we see a computer-animated video of the inner-workings of a cell, which looks suspiciously like a certain Harvard animation. Since I can't go back and compare them side by side, I'll just say that they looked very similar, and had three elements that I remembered from the Harvard video, which I'd seen online: 1. Something "walking" along a rope-like structure, 2. a tube being "peeled" apart, and 3. Something un-coiling rapidly. If this isn't the Harvard film, it looks almost identical. Regardless if it is or isn't the same as the Harvard animation, it is certainly intended to make the cell look like machinery. I'm sure they're hoping for the viewer to feel overwhelmed with the complexity, and conclude that it was designed.

"Is" Doesn't Imply "Ought": The Holocaust
Richard has written about this in more detail, but I'll try and give a quick run-down. The film moves on to claim that Darwinism was "necessary" for Hitler, the Nazis, and the Holocaust. Stein says something like "Darwinism may not only be wrong, but it may also be dangerous." Up to this point the film has been fairly dull with poor attempts at humor, but now they're laying on emotional appeal. We see B&W footage of people opening up concentration camp ovens with bodies still inside, emaciated Jews in the camps, and so on. It is of course all very horrible to see, but the premise is so rotten it made me doubly angry. They want you to think that teaching evolution will lead to another Holocaust, basically. We see shots of Ben Stein attempting to look as if he'd just learned of the horrors of the Holocaust on-camera. Way to exploit, Ben.

Eugenics & Planned Parenthood?!
Eugenics is mentioned as an "extension" of Darwinism, and they even tar Planned Parenthood as being founded by a woman who was somehow associated with Eugenics (I can't remember the name). It's another disgusting, underhanded swipe, which could only be accepted so quickly in an extremely uninformed and sympathetic audience.

The Great Richard Dawkins, Evil Lord of the Evolutionist Big Science Conspiracy
Richard is really the star of this film, and if he had not been duped into his interviews (read elsewhere about the Crossroads film that many were told the interviews were for), I can't imagine who or what would have taken his place. They really portray him as the evil leader that must be stopped.

Stein says it's time to confront the head of the Evolutionists, Richard Dawkins. It's all very dramatic and overdone, making it out to be some kind of quest to slay the dragon. We see Stein slowly stepping out of his car outside the museum, about to confront Richard. They cut to Richard waiting inside the museum, with someone putting makeup (or powder, as they say) on his face in front of the camera. Once again, this was done in Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11" repeatedly, and that's all I could think when I saw it. Furthermore, this was NOT one of Richard's people adding makeup; this was the crew from Expelled! They must have wanted to put makeup on him, so that they could get that shot. Furthermore, they messed with his hair to make him look like a mad scientist -- so he has makeup, but terribly messy hair. Of course the implication is that Richard needs to be prepped before being seen by the public, as the Evil Lord of Big Science. Add to this a dark room with harsh lighting, and you'll start to get the picture. We even get a nice full-screen shot of just Richard's nose and mouth. Why? I've been filming Richard for the last 2 years, and we don't put makeup on him. This is just another underhanded attempt to make Richard look bad.

Richard's Interview
We see Richard reading "The God of The Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all of fiction" section of the book, which the audience didn't find as funny as I did. Stein asks Richard to put a number on how certain he is that there is no god. Richard says 99%. Stein asks "Why not 97? Or why not 47?" Richard replies "Well you asked me to put a number on it, so I did". This is apparently meant to make Richard look like he has no reason to say god is very, very unlikely -- since he doesn't have a reason to say 99% over 97%. The sympathetic audience laughed at this. Richard describes how Panspermia is the only way that ID would even be science (since whoever seeded life would have evolved through something like Natural Selection), but Stein just wants to use this to say, "Richard Dawkins believes in Intelligent Design, so long as it doesn't mention god!" He's OK with aliens, but not god! 'How ridiculous,' we are all expected to think.

Intelligent Design means Created by God
Let me draw attention to this: This film in no way attempts to distinguish God from Intelligent Design. They have apparently abandoned that tactic, and are now only targeting their religious base with this Big Science Conspiracy Theory. They move effortlessly from phrases about "an Intelligent Designer" to "God" or "a creator".

Big Science = Nazi Army
Stein says something like "I can't go up against Big Science all by myself!" over images of what looked like Nazi tanks and troops protecting a building, driving home the alleged connection between scientists and Nazis. We see B&W images of armed fortresses with barbed wire. Science looks really scary!

Evil Darwin Statue
Stein goes to a museum with a statue of Darwin, which he stands in front of during a monologue. We see a straight on shot of the grey Darwin statue in very little light, with Darwin's eye cavities completely black. Darwin sure looks evil, like some sort of dark god. Yes, the evil god of the scientists.

The Wall Must Come Down!
The closing metaphor of the film is that the wall Big Science has put up to keep ID out must come down. We see scenes of people breaking down the Berlin wall, of people running to freedom, climbing over the wall, etc. The Killers song is played, with some Stein monologue, and we go to credits.

Thanks!
PZ and Richard are thanked in the end credits.

Extended Trailer Online
I noticed that several scenes from the extended trailer weren't even in the film. The whole segment with Stein saying "I always thought everything was created by a loving god, including rocks, trees...." was nowhere to be found. The clip with Richard in the trailer wasn't in the film, either.

Concluding Thoughts
Expelled seems to mark a shift in the Creationists' tactics. Everything they've tried to do so far has failed, so now they're trying to claim it's a conspiracy. 'Big Science is trying to keep God out of the classroom, and you'd better do something about it fast or we're going to have another Holocaust!' Of course, god-did-it is not science, but I don't think this matters to the film's target audience. Expelled is simply a rallying call to religious Americans. It will probably be shown in church basements, and will further insulate those who fear the seed of doubt. The film's message is so appalling (teaching evolution = the Holocaust) and is presented so crudely that any sane person will see it for the propaganda it is. There was virtually no real scientific content, and I felt stupider for having sat through it.

Please, don't pay to go see it. Let it die a quiet theatrical death. If you really want to see it, wait for a free opportunity that won't line Mathis' pockets.




Another good review from New Scientist:
http://www.newscientist.com/blog/shortsharpscience/2008/03/are-id-proponents-being-silenced.html

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1. Comment #149419 by Kubenzi on March 25, 2008 at 3:27 pm

 avatarThanks for putting this together Josh

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2. Comment #149420 by NormanDoering on March 25, 2008 at 3:29 pm

Philosopher Michael Ruse mentions the theory that organic life piggybacked on crystalline structures ... Stein takes the opportunity to ridicule the idea: "CRYSTALS!? On the backs of CRYSTALS!?" The film cuts to B&W video of creepy fortunetellers hunching over crystal balls. Stein's only desire is to oversimplify the theory and make fun of it.


Uh-oh... that actually sounds funny.

Could this be the next "Plan 9 from Outer Space"? A movie so bad it's good?

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3. Comment #149421 by obscured by clouds on March 25, 2008 at 3:30 pm

 avatarBravo Josh! I didn't know you had it in ya ;)~

Well there is not much I can to add, this was the only component that has been missing from the reviews thus far. Josh hit the nail on the head.

First I would like to thank PZ Myers for his offer to attend the move with him and his family, Josh, Liz and of course Richard Dawkins. I was in awe of the company I was with. Truly an amazing time, and that was before the whole fiasco.

Unfortunately I left before the Q&A, had I known Richard would have been involved I might have stayed. But I wanted some one on one time with PZ, who was just by himself outside. It's not every day you have a chance, so I took it.

There is nothing in this hatchet job that our readers have not heard before. If you are familiar with the outstanding job that creationist go through to deny reality, well this is just put to moving pictures (motion sickness). Every logical fallacy that you can think of, they did it spectacularly! They would make the flat earthers or UFOers with tinfoil hats proud!

So I will urge people not to see this, this will be a huge flop at the box office. Though no matter what happens they will claim victory, even if one person goes.

Do not financially support this movie, get the word out. Their biblical world view has no meaning in reality, and that starts with money.

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4. Comment #149422 by AtheistJon on March 25, 2008 at 3:30 pm

 avatarIt is amazing to me, the lies and deception that is alive in this crap. Really makes them seem like very bad people. I have strong feelings of love towards america, but I would never lie to forward my own political views.

Josh,
Oletko Suomalainen? Sun sukunimen perusteella, luulisin että on ainakin suomalais sukujuuret. Suomessa on myös hirveitä uskovaisia, mutta onneksi täällä tuntuu olevan ennemmän ateistit.

If you didn't get that, I was suggesting that you sound like you might be Finnish.

;-)

Jon

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5. Comment #149425 by Elli on March 25, 2008 at 3:34 pm

 avatarThanks to Josh for that review.
I shudder to think if, being in that theatre, I would have been able to keep my composure - or my blood pressure at healthy levels!

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6. Comment #149428 by Steve Zara on March 25, 2008 at 3:37 pm

 avatarJosh.. thanks for this.

Maybe The Killers don't know about this, and someone should tell them?
From what I know of The Killers (a great band!) they are very unlikely to be happy with this use of their music.


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7. Comment #149429 by Dr Benway on March 25, 2008 at 3:39 pm

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"CRYSTALS!? On the backs of CRYSTALS!?" The film cuts to B&W video of creepy fortunetellers hunching over crystal balls.
Oh man.

Stein says something like "I thought science was decided by evidence, not the courts."
Oh man.

You'd have to be pretty stupid to think that Panspermia is the same as a 1950's flying saucer movie, but once again, Stein and Mathis know their audience.
Oh man.

Eugenics is mentioned as an "extension" of Darwinism
Oh man.

Stein says it's time to confront the head of the Evolutionists, Richard Dawkins.
Oh man.

Stein says something like "I can't go up against Big Science all by myself!" over images of what looked like Nazi tanks and troops protecting a building, driving home the alleged connection between scientists and Nazis.
Oy.

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8. Comment #149430 by Devolution on March 25, 2008 at 3:40 pm

 avatarGood job Josh. Its amazing to me that Mathis didn't notice the 'Star' of his 'Film' sitting right in the audience. haha I would have loved to see the look on his face when Richard stood up.

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9. Comment #149431 by ThoughtsonCommonToad on March 25, 2008 at 3:42 pm

Brendan Flowers the lead singer of The Killers is a devout Mormon.
http://arts.guardian.co.uk/features/story/0,,1877695,00.html

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10. Comment #149432 by RSP on March 25, 2008 at 3:43 pm

I'm constantly amused at how religious groups try so hard to emulate popular culture in order to get their ideas across. They do it so badly, and it sounds like this is another example. A crummy mimic of the humorous, documentary methods popularized by Michael Moore, the Daily Show, Colbert, and P T Bullshit. Of course, as I understand it, the aforementioned don't need to lie to the people they interview.

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11. Comment #149438 by Quine on March 25, 2008 at 3:51 pm

 avatarI expect Mathis to rake in fist-fulls of the faithful flock's funds on this fatuous failure. Content notwithstanding, the opportunity to put something in this niche and collect the cash preconditioned that someone was going to do it.

Bottom line: Follow the money.

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12. Comment #149440 by GodRemixed on March 25, 2008 at 3:53 pm

 avatarI was considering watching it in theaters if it were near me, but you've convinced me otherwise. Sometimes I watch movies like that or buy books, even though I completely disagree with what they say, just because I want to have it to point at (The Secret was hysterical, so I point and laugh at it too), but I'll let this one slide I guess.

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13. Comment #149442 by Olliedog on March 25, 2008 at 3:53 pm

Crystals!?
They interview someone else about evolution, who mentions that science doesn't know how life began. So the film shifts to discussing the origin of life on earth. Philosopher Michael Ruse mentions the theory that organic life piggybacked on crystalline structures (Richard writes more about this in his review). Stein takes the opportunity to ridicule the idea: "Crystals!? On the backs of CRYSTALS!?" The film cuts to B&W video of creepy fortunetellers hunching over crystal balls. Stein's only desire is to oversimplify the theory and make fun of it.


What Ruse was talking about is probably the "clay theory" of this fellow, Graham Cairns-Smith, as explained in his book Genetic Takeover:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Cairns-Smith

It is a fascinating book, and when I wrote to the professor to tell him how much I was enjoying it, he wrote me back a very nice email thanking me.

It has one of the clearest explanations I have read of why "irreducible complexity" is utter crap, using an illustration of an archway being built of stone, with stones being removed from the center after the arch is in place, and is in general a very good introduction to evolution in general.

The clay theory will definitely make you think outside the box, whether it is the correct explanation for the source of life or not.

Ollie

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14. Comment #149443 by Animavore on March 25, 2008 at 3:53 pm

 avatarToo knackered from work (check the dark rings under my eyes) to illicit an emotional response so I'll resort to Homer/helper-monkey disinterest.

Meh.

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15. Comment #149444 by mdowe on March 25, 2008 at 3:54 pm

 avatarInformative and rather well written for a 'computer-webby-guy' ... Good job Josh!

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16. Comment #149446 by Double Bass Atheist on March 25, 2008 at 3:56 pm

 avatarThank you, Josh!!!

Comment #149421 by obscured by clouds
Do not financially support this movie, get the word out. Their biblical world view has no meaning in reality, and that starts with money.

OBC, you are SPOT ON!!!!!!!!!!
Even seeing this movie "Just for laughs" supports these fools.

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17. Comment #149452 by Diacanu on March 25, 2008 at 4:05 pm

 avatarThe far right seems not only to use fear and hate, they seem to ONLY be able to use fear and hate.

It's in their religion, it's in their politics, it's in their fucking corporate owned media they pump people up with fear with, it's just this relentless lava flow of fucking fear.

Make the religious fear us, make us fear the religious, fear, fear, fear, fear.

It's like a video game with one button.

It'd be funny if it weren't so disturbing and have such spooky RL consequences.

My solution, laugh off as much as I can until they get violent.
Then turn that on them when they do, because then they lose.

And y'know it'll happen.
You pump the ignorant full of fear 24/7/4/12, one of 'em is gonna lose his tiny little mind, and hurt someone.

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18. Comment #149460 by Duff on March 25, 2008 at 4:12 pm

Folks, I'm only going to tell you this once. Never, Never Never believe anything a film crew tells you. I don't care whether they are from the Discovery Institute or any where else. They will do anything to get the shot. Believe me, I know!

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19. Comment #149462 by sarah95 on March 25, 2008 at 4:16 pm

 avatarThanks for the point-by-point. I think I'll forward the expelled exposed link to my old high school biology teacher. She's gonna have to fight a battle when hordes of her students bring it up in class.

I hope this can be publicly exposed in the media for what it is: the creationist version of Loose Change. Conspiracy theory. And slanderous mean-spirited conspiracy theory at that, if that bit about doll-ing up Richard Dawkins with make-up is true. Why on earth would RD need make-up? ;)

The more we can point out, as Josh has done, how similar this film's style is to the far-left BS of Loose Change and the bias of Farenheit 9/11, hopefully the target audience will come passionately back to the sort of reasonable middle ground.

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20. Comment #149463 by Stephen Maxwell on March 25, 2008 at 4:17 pm

For example, when he came back into the office from resting in his car, I said something like "gentlemen, I've got work to do so I'd like to wrap this thing up now," he looked at me like "hey, don't you realize who I am and that you should be grateful to be talking to me?"

Oh man, that is awesome!

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21. Comment #149464 by Dr Benway on March 25, 2008 at 4:20 pm

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For example, when he came back into the office from resting in his car, I said something like "gentlemen, I've got work to do so I'd like to wrap this thing up now," he looked at me like "hey, don't you realize who I am and that you should be grateful to be talking to me?"
Oh man, that is awesome!
I liked it too. I imagine Stein's reaction: "Can you believe the arrogance of that Shermer guy?!"

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22. Comment #149466 by EKinateder on March 25, 2008 at 4:23 pm

 avatarIf you must see this piece of trash for yourself:


Most theaters in the USA do not check tickets once you've purchased a ticket and entered the main hallway. Purchase a ticket to another movie and attend this one instead.

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23. Comment #149467 by Dr Benway on March 25, 2008 at 4:28 pm

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Thanks for the point-by-point. I think I'll forward the expelled exposed link to my old high school biology teacher. She's gonna have to fight a battle when hordes of her students bring it up in class.
It's time consuming, cleaning up after this nonsense.

I remember these parents who would drop off magazines for me to read to get my opinon on some cranky new autism cure. Sometime it would take 3-4 hours of my time developing a clear rebuttal to the horrible trash. And they did this to me about monthly. Ugh.

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24. Comment #149469 by chuckgoecke on March 25, 2008 at 4:36 pm

 avatarThe Killer's song exerpts stolen for this film are from a song and video with an anti-immigration /vigilante minutemen theme. Note the white cowboys versus the hispanic and asian hot babes in the video, who kick their asses. Its not terribly relavent to Expelled's theme, except that politically, I seriously doubt the Killer's would approve of the use of their music by this Republican hack. If it stays in the movie, I'd be suspect that The Killers were duped, like Richard, PZ, and Genie (and Michael, and ....).

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25. Comment #149470 by Chris H. on March 25, 2008 at 4:37 pm

I have a feeling this will be a cult hit, in the same way Reefer Madness is right now. However, instead of college kids it will be AP Biology students.

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26. Comment #149471 by tman on March 25, 2008 at 4:38 pm

 avatarI have tipped off the the http://www.adl.org/

This revisionist history should be addressed by the jewish community.

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27. Comment #149472 by DamnDirtyApe on March 25, 2008 at 4:43 pm

These guys are the stupidest bunch of stupid jerks that ever were jerked out of jerktown.

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28. Comment #149473 by Elles on March 25, 2008 at 4:47 pm

 avatarThanks very much for the splendid review, Josh... But also...

Thanks a lot for reminding me that though anybody with an ounce of intelligence can see through this film, the audience is already biased in favour of it.

*sigh*

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29. Comment #149474 by helical4 on March 25, 2008 at 4:57 pm

Free opportunity? Download perhaps?

An Expelled Exposed website is a good start, but I think an Evolution Film should be made in response to Expelled. Like Ferenhype 9/11 was made in response to Micheal Moore's film Ferenheit 9/11. I realize that such a film will probably go on deaf ears, and it will be seen as proof that the Darwinists are attempting to stifle the 'truth', but people are susceptible to believing conspiracy theories. That's probably why the creationalist movement chose this strategy.

How about this? Everyone involved in the production of 'Expelled' would be guests of honor at the screening of this Evolutionist's response film. I doubt they'd show up...

I'm concerned that the Expelled movie might be successful in bringing unsure evolution supporters to their side (people who don't understand how evolution works, but accept it only because someone smarter than them says that it is supported by many facts). Perhaps, evolution programs should be more 'in your face', where people still have the freedom to not buy a movie ticket or simply change the channel, but where the material can easily be stumbled apon. Such programs would be directed at those who support, but don't understand evolution, and such films or programs should flood the media circle, with many varieties of experts and scientists. So, no one person is pinned as being the leader of any Darwinist movement.

All Scientists should be teachers of the public, not just silent intellectuals that keep their wealth of knowledge to themselves.

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30. Comment #149476 by rthille on March 25, 2008 at 5:04 pm

I might go see it, but I'd never buy a ticket for it. I'd buy a ticket for another movie in the same theater starting at a similar time, if I'm lucky, one to which I'd like to give money.

I tried to get my Bush supporting (former) friends to see Fahrenheit 911 and they wouldn't because they didn't want to give him any money. That of course wasn't the real reason, since they wouldn't do what I suggested above either. Mostly they just wanted to remain ignorant and safe in their belief that they were right.

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31. Comment #149477 by Prom_STar on March 25, 2008 at 5:09 pm

Good review. I have to say, the Holocaust part bothers me the most. It's not just a non sequitur, it's exploiting a tragedy like it's a stepping stool. I'm reminded of this clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXsVKbHY_T0). Stein's bit sounds like the exact opposite.

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32. Comment #149478 by wagnerfilm on March 25, 2008 at 5:11 pm

 avatarI seriously doubt the movie is getting a 1000-screen rollout. That's the kind of wide release that's pretty much unheard of from anyone but a major studio. Indies just don't hit that many screens, unless they're being distributed by, you guessed it, one of the "boutique" offshoots of a major studio like Fox Searchlight or Universal Focus.

I've heard 100 screens, which is far more likely. There is also no listing for "Expelled" on April 18 on the upcoming release page either at Box Office Mojo or Rotten Tomatoes, which there almost certainly would be if the movie were going wide at 1000 screens. So I'm thinking a very small rollout, typical of self-distributed indies.

If they're sticking to the 4/18 date, they're going to get killed. That weekend has Al Pacino in "88 Minutes," the new Judd Apatow comedy "Forgetting Sarah Marshall," and the Jet Li/Jackie Chan vehicle "Forbidden Kingdom" all going wide. And there's another prominent indie documentary, "Where in the World Is Osama bin Laden?" opening in limited release, directed by Morgan Spurlock ("Super Size Me").

Seriously, who's going to make time for "Expelled," except for the "church bus bubble"?

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33. Comment #149479 by Styrer- on March 25, 2008 at 5:27 pm

Thank you, Josh, for such a blow-by-blow account post-viewing. Almost sorry you had to see it, you poor fucker.

I disagree with you on strategy, though.

I truly hope that this 'docufilm' gains as wide and full an audience as possible.

I don't give two hoots if this 'film' makes an absolute fortune for its creators. I would gladly pay to see it in all its verminous duplicity, in fact, and pay for friends to join me. But I do give very many more hoots about permitting as global and public a crushing and decimation of creationist/ID irrationality as possible, which will ensue following this - I would argue - welcome crystallization of ID bullshit.

The more who see it, the more the fucking merrier.

I am delighted to see that Eugenie Scott et al. are already well prepared for battle. It is through shit such as this that I think anti-rational pro-superstitious supernaturalism will meet, at the public podium, its match from the likes of Richard and every other no-bullshit scientist, secularist and thinker on the planet.

Is this not actually a wonderful opportunity?

In any case, the duplicitous horrors of humanity behind this film would be well advised, in fact, to wisely invest whatever funds they do make from their piece. Following their imminent complete and utter professional humiliation at the hands of respected anti-superstitious supernaturalists everywhere, they'll need all the funds they can lay their hands on to see them through long-term unemployment.

Let the real show begin.

Best,
Styrer

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34. Comment #149481 by markg on March 25, 2008 at 5:33 pm

 avatarThanks Josh!

Not only will I not go to see this piece of crap. (I'm not evenly slightly interested.) I will only watch it when someone ties me down to a chair and forces my eyes to remain open, while the film plays in front of me as in the move, "A Clockwork Orange."

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35. Comment #149483 by adonais on March 25, 2008 at 5:34 pm

 avatarThanks Josh, that tells me everything I wanted to know about the film, I feel no need to sponsor the maker of this kind of humbug.

Now I'll just sit back and wait for the glorious moment when PZ Myers finally gets to watch the film, and the subsequent disemboweling of its contents on his blog and "any print venue that wants me" as he put it himself.

I'm sure you're right, the deeply religious will love this film, it appeals to the very emotional uncertainties and fears that probably drove them to "accept Jesus" in the first place - but I'm pretty sure the media attention isn't going to go the way Mathis is hoping. This is one that the scientific community is not taking lying down, as "Expelled Exposed" already demonstrates, and I rather suspect that most of the media focus will be on all the falsehoods of the film. I think it'll actually be quite fun to watch the aftermath, if not the film itself.

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36. Comment #149484 by maton100 on March 25, 2008 at 5:34 pm

 avatarStein put shit in and that is what came out...expelled from his droopy ass and onto the screen.

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37. Comment #149485 by MIDVALCRE on March 25, 2008 at 5:38 pm

nice job Josh. Great summary of it. Still kinda want to see it so I can boooo during it at the times of inaccuaracy. Damn, tough call. $ or missed chances to voice my disgust? hmmmmmmm...

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38. Comment #149488 by Styrer- on March 25, 2008 at 5:51 pm

Not only will I not go to see this piece of crap. (I'm not evenly slightly interested.) I will only watch it when someone ties me down to a chair and forces my eyes to remain open, while the film plays in front of me as in the move, "A Clockwork Orange."


Thanks Josh, that tells me everything I wanted to know about the film, I feel no need to sponsor the maker of this kind of humbug.


For fuck's sake, people - see it for yourselves before you endorse another viewer's opinion of it (no matter how highly you respect said viewer's opinion).

Perhaps you'll come up with your own individual points of disagreement, so making the condemnation all the stronger.

Bloody hell.

Best,
Styrer

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39. Comment #149489 by MelM on March 25, 2008 at 5:57 pm

The Dawkins interview looks like a disaster. Was there no way to find out ahead of time just who was involved in this film? It's starting to look like Dawkins needs to run some sort of background check on people wanting him to participate in projects; creationists would hardly want him involved if they came out looking bad instead of him. If one can't confirm that it's a valid project, don't do it.

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40. Comment #149490 by Frankus1122 on March 25, 2008 at 6:00 pm

 avatarComment #149479 by Styrer
But I do give very many more hoots about permitting as global and public a crushing and decimation of creationist/ID irrationality as possible, which will ensue following this - I would argue - welcome crystallization of ID bullshit.

The more who see it, the more the fucking merrier.


Yes and no.
I would love intelligent people to see this film and realize the thinness of the ID position. However, I don't know how many people would be able to see through the veil of poorly constructed distortions. Look at how many people in the USA believe in a 'young earth' already. I don't think they are prepared to look at ANYTHING critically. People generally believe what they are told.
Perhaps a strong movie in the opposite direction would be better.

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41. Comment #149491 by markg on March 25, 2008 at 6:09 pm

 avatarComment by Styrer:
For fuck's sake, people - see it for yourselves before you endorse another viewer's opinion of it (no matter how highly you respect said viewer's opinion).


Come on Styrer, where's your "bloody" sense of humor? I won't spend a dime on this movie, or waste my time. I'm sure I can wait for my local 24 hr religious-wacknut TV station, which constantly shows creationist propaganda including Ken Ham and other IDiots. Then if it's my last day on earth and it happens to be on TV, maybe I'll watch it. Or maybe a copy will fall off the garbage truck on the way to the landfill. Who knows?

Best,
markg

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42. Comment #149493 by rufustfirefly on March 25, 2008 at 6:14 pm

Maybe 1000 movie screens means 1000 of those old pull up screens set up in church basements.

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43. Comment #149495 by SPS on March 25, 2008 at 6:18 pm

Very informative! Thanks, Josh!
I'm amazed at the efforts to demonize atheists. Do the creationists really think they pray for anything different than what atheists want for themselves, their family, and the world at large? The difference is the disservice creationists do to themselves and those they care about by turning a blind eye to what challenges their beliefs. Their interest in reality often appears limited to using it as a tool to feed and spread their delusions. And when reality doesn't fit? Lie.

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44. Comment #149497 by Styrer- on March 25, 2008 at 6:27 pm

41. Comment #149491 by markg on March 25, 2008 at 6:09 pm

Come on Styrer, where's your "bloody" sense of humor? I won't spend a dime on this movie, or waste my time. I'm sure I can wait for my local 24 hr religious-wacknut TV station, which constantly shows creationist propaganda including Ken Ham and other IDiots. Then if it's my last day on earth and it happens to be on TV, maybe I'll watch it. Or maybe a copy will fall off the garbage truck on the way to the landfill. Who knows?

Best,
markg


Your welcomely combative response simply confirms to me that you should watch the fucking thing yourself, at the earliest.

It seems to me that you may then have your own and individual naysaying comments to make about it.

And I would submit that simply 'waiting' (either for dodgy TV stations or for copies to fall off garbage trucks) is a pathetic, lily-livered reaction to that which requires urgent and robust denunciation now.

Best,
Styrer

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45. Comment #149499 by adonais on March 25, 2008 at 6:35 pm

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For fuck's sake, people - see it for yourselves before you endorse another viewer's opinion of it (no matter how highly you respect said viewer's opinion).


Just an FYI, Styrer, I will not see this film on the same general principles that I do not waste my time on other films that I think are a piece of trash: I think Expelled is a piece of trash. That clear enough? No special treatment.

That being said, since it is not unrelated to other things that I take an interest in, I am thankful to people like Josh who post their thoughts on it to help me decide whether to waste my time and money or not - what can you possibly have to object to that? No different from reading a review of a book before deciding whether to buy it and read it!

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46. Comment #149500 by Styrer- on March 25, 2008 at 6:42 pm

40. Comment #149490 by Frankus1122 on March 25, 2008 at 6:00 pm


Yes and no.
I would love intelligent people to see this film and realize the thinness of the ID position. However, I don't know how many people would be able to see through the veil of poorly constructed distortions. Look at how many people in the USA believe in a 'young earth' already. I don't think they are prepared to look at ANYTHING critically. People generally believe what they are told.
Perhaps a strong movie in the opposite direction would be better.


And, Frankus1122, how much more in ignorance those poor uninitiated will remain without beautifully succinct encapsulations of the sheer irrational crap of IDiocy presented here against which we can argue.

Here is a film which should be propagated globally to demonstrate the betrayal of reason its creators have gleefully embraced. Here is a film which is a gift to all eminent proponents of reason, to be used as an extra and powerful tool in the arsenal they are already bringing to bear upon the world of anti-reason.

I feel like I'm pulling teeth here.

Surprising.

Best,
Styrer

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47. Comment #149501 by markg on March 25, 2008 at 6:47 pm

 avatarStyrer:

confirms to me that you should watch the fucking thing yourself, at the earliest.


LOL Can you wire enough euros to me to see this dreck? If you want me to bring some people, buy some popcorn and drinks, could you include that also?

pathetic, lily-livered reaction to that which requires urgent and robust denunciation now.


LOL again. I'm not sure if my liver is lilied, but Sir, those sound like fighting words where I come from.

Best,
markg

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48. Comment #149503 by chuckgoecke on March 25, 2008 at 6:55 pm

 avatarI plan to spend on this nugget of shit, exactly what I spent on Mel Gibson's shitty snuff heap, zero$. I like the idea of paying for another movie at one of those megaplexes, and crashing Expelled. I'd probably pay for a Disney or Kids movie, then go skoff and snort and Bull-shit cough(like Belushi). Actually, my greatest hopes are that members of the rational community, plus scientists, engineers, and teachers will all be out at the edge of the theater property, picketing this film as utter misleading crap. Maybe it won't be necessary, if the movie is delayed from opening again, perhaps it'll just die an unnatural death, sent directly to VHS(better yet Beta) for church basements.

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49. Comment #149504 by Styrer- on March 25, 2008 at 7:03 pm

No special treatment.


Really, Adonais? No special treatment? In enunciating a verdict on a film you have never seen - 'I think Expelled is a piece of trash'- you are not giving special treatment to your appraisal of it?

I think you are.

While I am often guided to buying a book because of decent reviews, I am never dissuaded from buying a book in which I have some interest because of negative reviews.

Makes the whole experience somewhat spicier.

Perhaps this, and not on the issue of fair appraisal and intellectual honesty, is simply where we differ.

But I would ask you to see the film asap - argumentative types such as yourself are perhaps more likely to come up with lines of criticism not yet explored.

Best,
Styrer

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50. Comment #149505 by Dr Benway on March 25, 2008 at 7:06 pm

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But I do give very many more hoots about permitting as global and public a crushing and decimation of creationist/ID irrationality as possible, which will ensue following this - I would argue - welcome crystallization of ID bullshit.
Haha u funny guy.

Dawkins is a nobody. His book has sold what, 1 millionish? Pastor Rick Warren's Purpose Driven Life has sold over 24 million. And there are hundreds of books just like it selling as well.

The idiocy of this movie is an event in our little bubble. But the rest of the country will sympathize with Ben Stein.

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