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Ben Stein Vs. Sputtering Atheists
by Brent Bozell III, Yahoo! News
Reposted from:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/uc/20080418/cm_uc_crbbox/op_235852
I confess that when the producers of Ben Stein's new documentary "Expelled" called, offering me a private screening, I was less than excited.
It is a reality of PC liberalism: There is only one credible side to an issue, and any dissent is not only rejected, it is scorned. Global warming. Gay "rights." Abortion "rights." On these and so many other issues there is enlightenment, and then there is the Idiotic Other Side. PC liberalism's power centers are the news media, the entertainment industry and academia, and all are in the clutches of an unmistakable hypocrisy: Theirs is an ideology that preaches the freedom of thought and expression at every opportunity, yet practices absolute intolerance toward dissension.
Evolution is another one of those one-sided debates. We know the concept of Intelligent Design is stifled in academic circles. An entire documentary to state the obvious? You can see my reluctance to view it.
I went into the screening bored. I came out of it stunned.
Ben Stein's extraordinary presentation documents how the worlds of science and academia not only crush debate on the origins of life, but also crush the careers of professors who dare to question the Darwinian hypothesis of evolution and natural selection.
Stein asks a simple question: What if the universe began with an intelligent designer, a designer named God? He assembles a stable of academics — experts all — who dared to question Darwinist assumptions and found themselves "expelled" from intellectual discourse as a result. They include evolutionary biologist Richard Sternberg (sandbagged at the Smithsonian), biology professor Caroline Crocker (drummed out of George Mason University), and astrophysicist Guillermo Gonzalez (blackballed at Iowa State University).
That's disturbing enough, but what Stein does next is truly shocking. He allows the principal advocates of Darwinism to speak their minds. These are experts with national reputations, regular welcomed guests on network television and the like. But the public knows them only by their careful seven-second soundbites. Stein engages them in conversation. They speak their minds. They become sputtering ranters, openly championing their sheer hatred of religion.
PC liberalism has showered accolades on atheist author Richard Dawkins' best-selling book "The God Delusion." But when Stein suggests to Dawkins that he's been critical of the Old Testament God, Dawkins protests — not that Stein is wrong, but that he's being too mild. He then reads from this jaw-dropping paragraph of his book:
"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."
Dawkins has a website. Its slogan is "A clear-thinking oasis."
It's understood that God had nothing to do with the origins of life on Earth. What, then, is the alternate explanation? Stein asks these experts, and their very serious answers are priceless. One theorizes that life began somehow on the backs of crystals. Another states electric sparks from a lightning storm created organic matter (out of nothing). Another declares that life was brought to Earth by aliens. Anything but God.
The most controversial part of the film follows Stein to the Dachau concentration camp, underlining how Darwin's theories of natural selection led to the eugenics movement, embraced by Adolf Hitler. If there is no God, but only a planetary lab waiting for scientists to perfect the human race, where can Darwinism lead? Stein insists that he isn't accusing today's Darwinists of Nazism. He points out, however, that Hitler's mad science was inspired by Darwinism.
Now that the film is complete, the evolutionist prophets featured in the film are on the warpath inveighing against it, and the alleged idiots who would lower themselves to watching it. Richard Dawkins laments how the film will solicit "cheap laughs that could only be raised in an audience of scientific ignoramuses." Minnesota professor and blogger P.Z. Myers predicts the movie is "going to appeal strongly to the religious, the paranoid, the conspiracy theorists, and the ignorant —— which means they're going to draw in about 90 percent of the American market." Myers and Dawkins now both complain they were "duped" into appearing in the movie (for pay).
Everyone should take the opportunity to see "Expelled" — if nothing else, as a bracing antidote to the atheism-friendly culture of PC liberalism. But it's far more than that. It's a spotlight on the arrogance of this movement and its leaders, a spotlight on the choking intolerance of academia, and a spotlight on the ignorance of so many who say so much, yet know so very little.
L. Brent Bozell III is the president of the Media Research Center. To find out more about Brent Bozell III, and read features by other Creators Syndicate writers and cartoonists, visit the Creators Syndicate Web page at www.creators.com.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/uc/20080418/cm_uc_crbbox/op_235852
I confess that when the producers of Ben Stein's new documentary "Expelled" called, offering me a private screening, I was less than excited.
It is a reality of PC liberalism: There is only one credible side to an issue, and any dissent is not only rejected, it is scorned. Global warming. Gay "rights." Abortion "rights." On these and so many other issues there is enlightenment, and then there is the Idiotic Other Side. PC liberalism's power centers are the news media, the entertainment industry and academia, and all are in the clutches of an unmistakable hypocrisy: Theirs is an ideology that preaches the freedom of thought and expression at every opportunity, yet practices absolute intolerance toward dissension.
Evolution is another one of those one-sided debates. We know the concept of Intelligent Design is stifled in academic circles. An entire documentary to state the obvious? You can see my reluctance to view it.
I went into the screening bored. I came out of it stunned.
Ben Stein's extraordinary presentation documents how the worlds of science and academia not only crush debate on the origins of life, but also crush the careers of professors who dare to question the Darwinian hypothesis of evolution and natural selection.
Stein asks a simple question: What if the universe began with an intelligent designer, a designer named God? He assembles a stable of academics — experts all — who dared to question Darwinist assumptions and found themselves "expelled" from intellectual discourse as a result. They include evolutionary biologist Richard Sternberg (sandbagged at the Smithsonian), biology professor Caroline Crocker (drummed out of George Mason University), and astrophysicist Guillermo Gonzalez (blackballed at Iowa State University).
That's disturbing enough, but what Stein does next is truly shocking. He allows the principal advocates of Darwinism to speak their minds. These are experts with national reputations, regular welcomed guests on network television and the like. But the public knows them only by their careful seven-second soundbites. Stein engages them in conversation. They speak their minds. They become sputtering ranters, openly championing their sheer hatred of religion.
PC liberalism has showered accolades on atheist author Richard Dawkins' best-selling book "The God Delusion." But when Stein suggests to Dawkins that he's been critical of the Old Testament God, Dawkins protests — not that Stein is wrong, but that he's being too mild. He then reads from this jaw-dropping paragraph of his book:
"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."
Dawkins has a website. Its slogan is "A clear-thinking oasis."
It's understood that God had nothing to do with the origins of life on Earth. What, then, is the alternate explanation? Stein asks these experts, and their very serious answers are priceless. One theorizes that life began somehow on the backs of crystals. Another states electric sparks from a lightning storm created organic matter (out of nothing). Another declares that life was brought to Earth by aliens. Anything but God.
The most controversial part of the film follows Stein to the Dachau concentration camp, underlining how Darwin's theories of natural selection led to the eugenics movement, embraced by Adolf Hitler. If there is no God, but only a planetary lab waiting for scientists to perfect the human race, where can Darwinism lead? Stein insists that he isn't accusing today's Darwinists of Nazism. He points out, however, that Hitler's mad science was inspired by Darwinism.
Now that the film is complete, the evolutionist prophets featured in the film are on the warpath inveighing against it, and the alleged idiots who would lower themselves to watching it. Richard Dawkins laments how the film will solicit "cheap laughs that could only be raised in an audience of scientific ignoramuses." Minnesota professor and blogger P.Z. Myers predicts the movie is "going to appeal strongly to the religious, the paranoid, the conspiracy theorists, and the ignorant —— which means they're going to draw in about 90 percent of the American market." Myers and Dawkins now both complain they were "duped" into appearing in the movie (for pay).
Everyone should take the opportunity to see "Expelled" — if nothing else, as a bracing antidote to the atheism-friendly culture of PC liberalism. But it's far more than that. It's a spotlight on the arrogance of this movement and its leaders, a spotlight on the choking intolerance of academia, and a spotlight on the ignorance of so many who say so much, yet know so very little.
L. Brent Bozell III is the president of the Media Research Center. To find out more about Brent Bozell III, and read features by other Creators Syndicate writers and cartoonists, visit the Creators Syndicate Web page at www.creators.com.
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Reload Comments | Back to Top | Page Numbers2. Comment #164973 by KiwiInOz on April 20, 2008 at 10:42 pm
Oh, where to start. Oh, bugger it.Other Comments by KiwiInOz
3. Comment #164976 by TheSwede on April 20, 2008 at 10:47 pm
Well, everyone has the right to present their opinion, but does this guy have [far] lower than average intelligence? This person has clearly not evolved… his got the brain functions of an Amoebozoa!Check this out, for example:
"Another states electric sparks from a lightning storm created organic matter (out of nothing)."
Out of nothing? Maybe the thing the lighting struck constituted "the something". He should know that lightning has a tendency to strike things.
That things are created "out of nothing"… well, that's the main argument of the creationist side now isn't it (ergo creationist!)?
I respect critique. But if one doesn't think before criticizing then it is not critique â€" it is noise. Very disturbing noise…
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4. Comment #164978 by Layla Nasreddin on April 20, 2008 at 10:50 pm
This line tells me everything I need to know:
L. Brent Bozell III is the president of the Media Research Center.
Google the Media Research Center; they're a self-proclaimed "conservative media watchdog group dedicated to bringing political balance to the news and entertainment media."
No further comment.
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5. Comment #164982 by room101 on April 20, 2008 at 10:56 pm
Jebus f'n kryst - do people just make up any ole s*** they want to and publish it nowadays?!?!?!?Thank you rev. Bozell, or whoever the hell you are. Thanks for ignoring all of this movie's dishonesty and outright lies that have been splattered all over news and web.
Now go pick up your check from the Discovery Institute and run along...
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6. Comment #164983 by Hostile2012 on April 20, 2008 at 10:58 pm
These people are idiots. That about sums it up in my opinion.Other Comments by Hostile2012
7. Comment #164984 by mmurray on April 20, 2008 at 10:59 pm
Surely his name is misspelt ? L. Brent Bozo III
that's better.
Michael
PS: I don't think he is a rev but you can find out more at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Brent_Bozell_III
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8. Comment #164985 by kintaro_crab on April 20, 2008 at 11:00 pm
I have a feeling the backlash from this movie is going to hit me in the upcoming weeks. Well, I suggest to everyone here to read up on the false accounts of the so-called scientists 'persecuted' for their IDiot beliefs at http://expelledexposed.com/ so as to be better prepared when the general duped public begins spewing this shit out at you. Other Comments by kintaro_crab
9. Comment #164986 by Roland_F on April 20, 2008 at 11:01 pm
Yes this 'Expelled' is a huge PR Blitz from theists, discovery institute, ultra religious foundations and their PR propaganda machine to dump down US citizen even more on a wide front.And why to dump down the masses and sabotage the science teaching in classes: I think Scott Bidstrup gives an good explanation:
After the conversion of Constantine, the character of the art suddenly and dramatically changed to reflect the change in doctrinal emphasis. Gone are the sweet, pastoral scenes of a meek Jesus patiently ministering to his humble followers. Instead, images of the crucifixion and the scourging of Jesus in the court of Pilate become common. This was to help the suffering masses identify with Jesus who was said to have suffered on their behalf. The church had became a political instrument -- be patient with your suffering under Roman rule, the masses were told, and a better life for you is prepared for you if you believe in Jesus the Savior. The emporer may not provide good living in this life, but Jesus would in the next. In other words, shut up and suffer quietly.
http://www.bidstrup.com/bible.htm
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10. Comment #164987 by Diacanu on April 20, 2008 at 11:01 pm
Gay "rights." Abortion "rights."
I stopped there.
Anything after that is going to kill braincells.
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11. Comment #164988 by nalfeshnee on April 20, 2008 at 11:01 pm
Amusingly, the quote under his name on the website states
L. Brent Bozell III is president of the Media Research Center, a media watchdog organization that popularized the term "media bias."
FSM, you don't say!
I then went to the linked "creators.com" website and searched for him ("Bozell").
And got this:
Apr 20, 2008 22:59:29 /search.html Error:1194: Table 'search' is marked as crashed and should be repaired
SELECT 1 as COUNT FROM `search` WHERE `WORD` IN ("bozell") GROUP BY `TABLE`, `ID`
Truly, there is no creator(s.com).
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12. Comment #164992 by huzonfurst on April 20, 2008 at 11:12 pm
If there was ever a perfect example of "HOLY CRAP" this is it! If enough people swallow the criminal lies presented by this film another Inquisition could be in the works!Richard, et al, is there any way you could return whatever money you might have been paid for your appearances and then sue these bastards for misrepresenting you? If Uri Geller can harass James Randi the way he did over a period of years, perhaps the tables could be turned and the bad guys made to suffer for a change. I suspect you could raise a great deal of money very quickly for a campaign like this.
I repeat from another message: THE GLOVES MUST COME OFF and we have to SLAM these a-holes HARD! They don't respond to reason or fair play, so what other choice is there? Wait until they break down our doors and haul us away?
PZ, why haven't you at least charged that producer with false arrest?
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13. Comment #164994 by EvidenceOnly on April 20, 2008 at 11:14 pm
Creationists and IDiots are all "Lying for Jesus", lack any critical thinking to see through the lies of their brethren or simply want to further distribute these lies to an ignorant population.Only quality education of science can help us.
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14. Comment #164995 by OneNationUnderThor on April 20, 2008 at 11:16 pm
Wow. I completely took this for satire.It's just bizarre. I'm speechless...
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15. Comment #164999 by Bazar on April 20, 2008 at 11:20 pm
The "L. Brent Bozell III" is clearly not functioning properly. Does anyone know when the "L. Brent Bozell IV.2.8" is going to be released?Other Comments by Bazar
16. Comment #165000 by rod-the-farmer on April 20, 2008 at 11:22 pm
Interesting thing...if you click on the link at the top, and go to the original article on Yahoo, the names of people like Sternberg are themselves links. Open THESE, and you get Google searches on them, having been mentioned in articles about the Expelled movie. You will be please to see that many if not most of them are highly critical of the Expelled movie.You can fool some of the people all the time, or all of the people some of the time. But you can't fool ALL of the people ALL of the time.
P.T. Barnum ?
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17. Comment #165003 by Spinoza on April 20, 2008 at 11:24 pm
You don't have to be an atheist to think this stuff is garbage:The progressive media watch group Media Matters for America has also repeatedly criticized the MRC, charging they view the media "through a funhouse mirror that renders everything--even the facts themselves--as manifestations of insidious bias."
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18. Comment #165006 by eric.malitz on April 20, 2008 at 11:26 pm
Pretty bad stuff, but im afraid this is going to be the opinion of a lot of people here in the US. Especially if they haven't even read dawkins book (the description of the old testament deity is 'jawdropping'; lets ridicule his page for being a 'clear thinking oasis' when he can say mean things about god) nor give any respect to atheists' real arguments, nor know anything about evolutionary biology; and then laugh at some hypotheses of life's beginnings("One theorizes that life began somehow on the backs of crystals. Another states electric sparks from a lightning storm created organic matter (out of nothing). Another declares that life was brought to Earth by aliens. Anything but God.")
I can see all of his arguments and have dealt with them many times before. They are all equally pathetic and the general attitude of people in this country will probably be the same as his.
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19. Comment #165011 by eric.malitz on April 20, 2008 at 11:31 pm
The bottom line is people dont really understand evolution by natural selection (nor certainly evolution via other 'routes') and nor do they care to have a better understanding of it. Despite how simple the basic premises are and despite the way people in the media will attempt to show they do understand it, the fact that they immediately resort to the "yea but, how did life start" argument for ID shows that they not only dont understand it, but dont care to.Other Comments by eric.malitz
20. Comment #165017 by mordacious1 on April 20, 2008 at 11:44 pm
This guy is a member of Creators Syndicate, which includes such intellectual giants as Bill O'Reilly and that blowhard Bob Novak. Knowing that, I read the article anyway. What a dupe this guy is. He was stunned by the revelations of the film. I'm stunned that he has a brain, ......or does he?Other Comments by mordacious1
21. Comment #165027 by Goldy on April 21, 2008 at 12:05 am
Meanwhile, in the Indian subcontinent (not including Pakistan) and in China, men and women rub their hands in glee. After all, big name scientists bring prestige and money. Don't forget, the inventions and discoveries stay in their country. Yes, they love religion - it's sapping the progression of the one country that stands in their way....Other Comments by Goldy
22. Comment #165029 by Christopher Davis on April 21, 2008 at 12:11 am
This guy doesn't know anything. When's the last time Zeus hurled a lightning bolt at nothing?Other Comments by Christopher Davis
23. Comment #165032 by WilliamP on April 21, 2008 at 12:32 am
This guy is lying to try to look like approaching this movie objectively, saying that he wasn't looking forward to it. For a man with so many ties to so many conservative and religious groups I find it hard to believe that he was doing anything but wetting his pants in anticipation for this film. Have a look:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Brent_Bozell_III
If you follow the link to the Catholic League you'll also find out that he and his friends there publish material denying the Catholic Church's possible role in the Holocaust. Why so credulous when one movie proposes a link between Hitler and Darwin?
The Scientists are dishonest, but not the producers of the movie? No mention of Myers being kicked out of the screening in ultimate irony?
I hope people who read this crap aren't falling for his implied objectivity. Yet more dishonesty from the pro-Expelled side.
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24. Comment #165033 by Barry Pearson on April 21, 2008 at 12:34 am
mmurray: PS: I don't think he is a rev but you can find out more at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Brent_Bozell_III
I see that Wikipedia says "Employers: Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights".
That says: "The Catholic League is known for press release statements about anti-Catholic and anti-Christian themes in the media".
Gosh!
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25. Comment #165040 by Quetzalcoatl on April 21, 2008 at 1:12 am
Wow. This article is really "balanced". I like the mention of gay "rights" and abortion "rights". As in, there shouldn't be any. This guy's a right charmer. Other Comments by Quetzalcoatl
26. Comment #165043 by Spiny on April 21, 2008 at 1:24 am
"Brent Bozell III"They made *three* of them?!
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27. Comment #165044 by LaTomate on April 21, 2008 at 1:29 am
I say we get someone - a well known comedian, say - involved in making a documentary, not about whiny professors who want tenure and little ignorant gits who want to redefine science for their own erectile pleasure, but about evolution and science. Maybe Marcus Brigstocke?
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28. Comment #165052 by Diacanu on April 21, 2008 at 1:54 am
LaTomate-
I say we get someone - a well known comedian, say - involved in making a documentary,
Bill Maher is doing one.
Well, goofing on religion anyway, not so much about evolution.
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29. Comment #165055 by Diacanu on April 21, 2008 at 2:05 am
Well, just when this shit starts to get me down, I just keep reminding myself...This is ALL religion has anymore.
This hate, and bile, and lying, and dirty underhandled weaselism and smarm, it's all they've got.
And it's all they're going to have.
Chris Hitchens is right, religion hasn't had anything transcendant and inspiring and uplifting to give humanity in centuries.
You just get this slimy ruthless dirty political shit anymore.
We should find encouragement in that.
It makes them predictable.
And predictable people self destruct.
I mean, really, what else can they do?
What other weapon can they reach for?
They have no logic or reason in their arguments.
What else can they do but get nasty?
This is all religion has, and it dooms their cause.
We just have to play it right.
Let 'em punch themselves out with their own energy like a rope-a-dope.
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30. Comment #165059 by HunterZolomon on April 21, 2008 at 2:10 am
What a tool. Trying to equate evolution with intolerant politically correct dogma is just rubbish. Evidence, you stupid turd, makes all the difference.
*Sputter*!!
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31. Comment #165061 by irate_atheist on April 21, 2008 at 2:17 am
Total fucktard. Plain and (literally) simple.
We are in a war between reason and wilfull ignorance. And I don't know which side will win. Given the sheer scale of human stupidity on display around the world, I suspect the wrong side will win and everyone will suffer the consequences. Thank fuck I'm not immortal and won't be around to see it all happen.
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32. Comment #165063 by Vanitas on April 21, 2008 at 2:20 am
Surely, if there were indeed a god, such stupidity wouldn't exist?Other Comments by Vanitas
33. Comment #165065 by Diacanu on April 21, 2008 at 2:27 am
irate_atheist-Truth and reason will win.
As I said in post 29, lies and hate are ALL they have anymore.
Playing dirty like they are will gain them in the short term, but not in the long term, so long as we just keep breathing, and sticking to our guns, their lies will be exposed, and they'll do something so nasty no one will want to be connected with them.
And dirty is all they've got.
They can't play it sickly sweet, because they aren't victims, and again, they have nothing decent to offer humanity, it's all bullshit.
Dirty won't work, clean won't work.
The ONLY thing that can save them is evidence and logic.
And they don't have it.
They'll never have it.
If it takes a decade or a century, they're finished.
Oh, they have literal tons of money invested in their ugly little con-game, so they're not going to give it up without a nasty ugly fight, and some people will probably get hurt by the thrashing tentacles as it goes over the cliff, but, I firmly believe reason will win.
It has to.
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34. Comment #165069 by stereoroid on April 21, 2008 at 2:50 am
Well, if this stuff has to serve any useful purpose, at least it brings traffic to this site.
Another article on creators.com is entitled: The Living Legacy of Maggie Thatcher: How the Politics of Conviction Saved Britain. Now, I've never been one to demonize Maggie, but there are limits.
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35. Comment #165070 by irate_atheist on April 21, 2008 at 2:55 am
33. Comment #165065 by Diacanu -
I find your faith in humanity touching.
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36. Comment #165073 by AllanW on April 21, 2008 at 3:08 am
Rre; comment #156061 irate_atheistI agree about the battle and mentioned it here;
http://richarddawkins.net/articleComments,2477,Yoko-Ono-Filmmakers-Caught-in-Expelled-Flap,Ethan-Smith,page4#164183
I'd love to think we'll win as Diacanu said but prefer to actually do something about tipping the odds in our favour.
'All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.'
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37. Comment #165075 by home8896 on April 21, 2008 at 3:13 am
The fact that this author starts out with the line about PC liberalism, then tries to play himself off as "having come from the other side" is so familiar. The whole "I used to be an atheist" familiarity here. Now, I guess we get to hear "I used to believe in evolution, until..." Other Comments by home8896
38. Comment #165076 by Steve Zara on April 21, 2008 at 3:24 am
Comment #165073 by AllanWI agree with you; I just can't see what we can do. I am feeling pretty depressed by all this, to be honest. The intellectual future of the USA does not look safe.
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39. Comment #165077 by F_A_F on April 21, 2008 at 3:27 am
Sorry I can never remember how to quote properly, but anyway:"He assembles a stable of academics �quot; experts all who dared to question Darwinist assumptions and found themselves "expelled" from intellectual discourse as a result."
Surely a more accurate way of putting this would be that they were "expelled" from intellectual discourse for failing to provide an evidence-backed alternative to evolution. Come to me with evidence of how the earth was seeded by aliens and I'll happily sit up and listen. But come to me with a book telling me how an invisible man in the sky who goes around impregnating virgins and threatening unbelievers started it all, and I'll laugh you out of the room.
Evidence works for me, not hearsay, conjecture and theories lacking any factual basis apart from a copy of a book from Waterstones...
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40. Comment #165079 by hungarianelephant on April 21, 2008 at 3:34 am
5. Comment #164982 by room101 on April 20, 2008 at 10:56 pmJebus f'n kryst - do people just make up any ole s*** they want to and publish it nowadays?!?!?!?
Yes.
Welcome to the internet.
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41. Comment #165080 by irate_atheist on April 21, 2008 at 3:35 am
38. Comment #165076 by Steve Zara -
It's misery inducing, isn't it?
I had a choice to make - be saddened or become irate. I took the latter path.
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42. Comment #165082 by Quetzalcoatl on April 21, 2008 at 3:39 am
Irate-
I had a choice to make - be saddened or become irate. I took the latter path.
You made the right choice. Saddened_atheist doesn't have the same ring to it.
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43. Comment #165083 by FightingFalcon on April 21, 2008 at 3:41 am
If there is no God, but only a planetary lab waiting for scientists to perfect the human race, where can Darwinism lead?
Ignoring, for a second, the idiocy of that comment, I'm still waiting for how that proves the existence of the Abrahamic god or any other deity.
Let's suspend all logic for a second and for the sake of argument accept the fact that an Atheistic society is more prone to violence than a Theistic one. Well bloody hell - how does that in any way, shape or form prove the existence of anything supernatural?
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44. Comment #165085 by Peacebeuponme on April 21, 2008 at 3:43 am
Seems that the US is almost ready for its Cambodian style anti-intellectualist movement.Other Comments by Peacebeuponme
45. Comment #165086 by Steve Zara on April 21, 2008 at 3:44 am
Comment #165080 by irate_atheistI can picture myself on a boat, just off the shore of the USA, ranting at the top of my voice until flecks of spittle appear.
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46. Comment #165087 by AllanW on April 21, 2008 at 3:44 am
Re; comment #165073 Steve ZaraThere are more things to do than you could possibly achieve yourself; there are more things to do than an army of people could achieve that's why we need a BIG army :)
- Continue to spread reasonable scientific answers to creationist trolls on this site.
- Find out about and support activities in the UK that try to counter creationist speakers.
- Find out about and support organisations that try to counter creationist nonsense in schools in the UK
- Support bodies and organisations that look to counter and even change the creationist schools (Vardy etc) in the UK
Those are just the things I can think of off the top of my head about one aspect of religious poison in the UK. There are plenty of others to sink your teeth into.
If you fancy getting involved in the States there are a plethora of bodies to direct you to where the current issues are. From education issues to political issues etc.
Pick a level of activity you are comfortable with; don't over-commit; give it a fair crack; assess how it impacts your life. I'm sure you'll get far more value out of anything you do than you thought possible.
Enjoy :)
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47. Comment #165090 by fatcitymax on April 21, 2008 at 3:50 am
RD and PZ were sucker punched by Stein & Co., just like Tony Blair and the American electorate were duped by George Bush. Perhaps a lesson has been learned.Other Comments by fatcitymax
48. Comment #165095 by irate_atheist on April 21, 2008 at 3:59 am
45. Comment #165086 by Steve Zara -
I don't like boats. Perhaps you could play a recording of me raving at them - sound volume 11.
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49. Comment #165099 by ccfoo242 on April 21, 2008 at 4:02 am
That guy not only put lipstick on a pig, but a wig and high heals, too!!!Other Comments by ccfoo242
50. Comment #165106 by DamnDirtyApe on April 21, 2008 at 4:18 am
I think i'm starting to believe something: We can win against these IDiots.Other Comments by DamnDirtyApe
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The God Delusion
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1. Comment #164972 by alovrin on April 20, 2008 at 10:40 pm
Wonder who he's referring to?
Are they a product of "PC liberalism"?
What? PZ and RD were paid?
Templeton here we come, hands out.
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