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2. Comment #165603 by gruebait on April 21, 2008 at 7:42 pm
3. Comment #165604 by akado on April 21, 2008 at 8:09 pm
4. Comment #165609 by mmurray on April 21, 2008 at 9:09 pm
"Science and reason are important," says Greg Epstein, the humanist chaplain of Harvard University. "But science and reason won't visit you in the hospital."
5. Comment #165610 by theantitheist on April 21, 2008 at 9:09 pm
Careful people if we start becoming a self defined group it may all go wrong.6. Comment #165611 by 82abhilash on April 21, 2008 at 9:14 pm
There is no need for a new monoculture to replace religion. Any useful function of this fiction can (or already has been) taken over by other institutions. The rest is all bunk that needs to be put in a museum, to remind us how stupid we where.7. Comment #165614 by JemyM on April 21, 2008 at 9:35 pm
8. Comment #165616 by CruciFiction on April 21, 2008 at 10:15 pm
I've had just about enough of Greg Epstein. I'd prefer he find God so he might just go away and preach his crap elsewhere.9. Comment #165617 by mmurray on April 21, 2008 at 10:43 pm
You see, since the beginning of humanity, religion fulfilled the important role to keep society together. This is a fact that anyone who spent some time with history and social sciences must admit.
Officially the religious institutions stands for:
1. Gathering and distribution of welfare to the needy
2. Taking care of the sick and the weak and welcome the outcasts
3. Fighting society problems like drugs and poverty
4. A community that keeps people together and fights segregation
5. Recognizing the stages of life (birth, confirmation, marriage, funeral)
6. Dealing with pain and sorrow after tragic events
7. A focus on people's feelings in an easy to understand language
8. A spokesperson for morals with focus on compassion, self-control, the value of helping others etc.
Imagine everyone abandoned church tomorrow!
10. Comment #165620 by Artful_Dodger on April 21, 2008 at 11:01 pm
It seems that the "atheist faith" meme is alive and well. Soon quasi-religious rituals, Sunday Schools, hymns, discipleship programmes, baptisms, "commandments" and excommunication for lapsed atheists and atheists found fraternising with religious believers. It'll be interesting to see how many childen, so "churched" will continue in the "faith of their fathers". I suspect this will ultimately only serve to empty the pews of these God-less churches and fill those of God-centred churches. "Reason" is wonderful as a servant, but pretty vacuuous as an object of "worship".11. Comment #165622 by JemyM on April 21, 2008 at 11:34 pm
It only keeps society together if everybody has the same religion. If not it is a very nasty way of keeping people at each other's throats. In any case the fact that something was popular since long ago is not a good reason to continue with it. Consider: infanticide, cannibilism, oppression of women, slavery, trepanning ...
1. There are secular organisations eg Smith Family in Australia. But really this should be a government job.
2. Universal health care and welfare.
3. What like the Catholic Churches homophobic approach to AIDS/HIV ?
4. Like in Northern Ireland I guess ?
5. http://www.civilcelebrants.com.au
6. Professional trained councillors. Better than having to listen to tortured christian discussions about why God loves us but also lets shit happen. 7. See 6.
8. Like the Pope whose solution to AIDS/HIV and human overpopulation is that we all stop having sex. His clergyman have amply demonstrated what happens
when you thwart basic human drives like that. I'll swap him for Steve Zara or MPhil anyday.
Most of us in Europe, UK, Australia, Canada etc have already abandoned church. Come on in the waters fine.
12. Comment #165623 by Phasic on April 21, 2008 at 11:43 pm
"But science and reason won't visit you in the hospital."
arrgh! The irony! It burns!
13. Comment #165625 by leodavinci on April 22, 2008 at 12:15 am
14. Comment #165626 by epeeist on April 22, 2008 at 12:24 am
It seems that the "atheist faith" meme is alive and well.You are David Robertson and I claim my £5.
15. Comment #165627 by IanLowe on April 22, 2008 at 12:39 am
16. Comment #165628 by Vaal on April 22, 2008 at 12:44 am
17. Comment #165629 by Quetzalcoatl on April 22, 2008 at 12:46 am
It seems that the "atheist faith" meme is alive and well. Soon quasi-religious rituals, Sunday Schools, hymns, discipleship programmes, baptisms, "commandments" and excommunication for lapsed atheists and atheists found fraternising with religious believers. It'll be interesting to see how many childen, so "churched" will continue in the "faith of their fathers". I suspect this will ultimately only serve to empty the pews of these God-less churches and fill those of God-centred churches. "Reason" is wonderful as a servant, but pretty vacuuous as an object of "worship".
18. Comment #165634 by mmurray on April 22, 2008 at 1:00 am
Which is why HUMANITY needs to be the center of a such institution.
19. Comment #165637 by AllanW on April 22, 2008 at 1:02 am
Jemym; thanks for those thought-provoking words; I'm sure they were sincere. Yet before accepting them I need a little more explanation.20. Comment #165640 by Philip1978 on April 22, 2008 at 1:05 am
21. Comment #165641 by beebhack on April 22, 2008 at 1:05 am
"Atheist orthodoxy"22. Comment #165649 by ThoughtsonCommonToad on April 22, 2008 at 1:29 am
So some atheists are taking seriously the idea that atheism needs to stand for things, like evolution and ethics, not just against things, like God. The most successful movements in history, after all�"Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, etc.�"all have creeds, cathedrals, schools, hierarchies, rituals, money, clerics, and some version of a heavenly afterlife. Churches fill needs, goes the argument�"they inculcate ethics, give meaning, build communities. "Science and reason are important," says Greg Epstein, the humanist chaplain of Harvard University. "But science and reason won't visit you in the hospital."
23. Comment #165655 by Ygern on April 22, 2008 at 1:44 am
Atheist Church ?!?24. Comment #165656 by DamnDirtyApe on April 22, 2008 at 1:45 am
How can a word that means the exact opposite of theism be quasi-religious?25. Comment #165657 by Et in Arcadia ego on April 22, 2008 at 1:49 am
We don't need churches , we have universities .26. Comment #165658 by rod-the-farmer on April 22, 2008 at 1:51 am
27. Comment #165661 by clodhopper on April 22, 2008 at 2:06 am
28. Comment #165662 by CJ22 on April 22, 2008 at 2:22 am
29. Comment #165663 by ThoughtsonCommonToad on April 22, 2008 at 2:24 am
Atheist : Church
Fish : Bicycle
30. Comment #165665 by pewkatchoo on April 22, 2008 at 2:28 am
31. Comment #165666 by Corylus on April 22, 2008 at 2:33 am
Many atheists, he says, misunderstand why people go to church in the first place.
32. Comment #165667 by hungarianelephant on April 22, 2008 at 2:34 am
33. Comment #165668 by lievemebe on April 22, 2008 at 2:35 am
The atheist church concept leaves me shivering in apoplexy.34. Comment #165669 by Quetzalcoatl on April 22, 2008 at 2:37 am
there is the reassurance that anyone you pick up is unlikely to boil your pet rabbit.
35. Comment #165671 by Goldy on April 22, 2008 at 2:39 am
Ummm, why don't they just go to the pub or something? Athiest church? What a silly concept!36. Comment #165672 by Corylus on April 22, 2008 at 2:39 am
37. Comment #165673 by LaTomate on April 22, 2008 at 2:46 am
But science and reason won't visit you in the hospital.
38. Comment #165676 by epeeist on April 22, 2008 at 3:11 am
39. Comment #165682 by Duff on April 22, 2008 at 3:28 am
Jemym,40. Comment #165684 by mmurray on April 22, 2008 at 3:30 am
41. Comment #165686 by mixmastergaz on April 22, 2008 at 3:35 am
42. Comment #165687 by Geoff on April 22, 2008 at 3:36 am
...anyone you pick up is unlikely to boil your pet rabbit.
43. Comment #165688 by hungarianelephant on April 22, 2008 at 3:36 am
No-one ever mentions the fact that church is a place you can go to and check out the local talent, and, bonus, not look obvious while you are doing it.
44. Comment #165697 by AdrianT on April 22, 2008 at 3:58 am
45. Comment #165702 by clintonjason on April 22, 2008 at 4:14 am
46. Comment #165703 by Steve Zara on April 22, 2008 at 4:19 am
"Reason" is wonderful as a servant, but pretty vacuuous as an object of "worship".
47. Comment #165706 by j.mills on April 22, 2008 at 4:28 am
48. Comment #165707 by hungarianelephant on April 22, 2008 at 4:28 am
We already have a practically atheist church in the UK - the Church of England. Aren't such services, for the few who actually go there, about showing off the new hat / keeping up appearances etc?
49. Comment #165712 by Azven on April 22, 2008 at 5:06 am
50. Comment #165717 by Phadrus on April 22, 2008 at 5:30 am
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