Oystein Elgaroy - the Christian defender who became an Atheist
2. Comment #195004 by rod-the-farmer on June 17, 2008 at 2:19 pm
3. Comment #195010 by tahustvedt on June 17, 2008 at 2:24 pm
4. Comment #195014 by mordacious1 on June 17, 2008 at 2:26 pm
5. Comment #195017 by Double Bass Atheist on June 17, 2008 at 2:26 pm
And that's not enough for me. As a scientist and astrophysicist I am used to rejecting hypotheses that don't cut it. That's what after a while made it hard for me to hold on to the hypothesis about God. I could not support it rationally, and realised in the end that I could not live with that there should be an exception for just this
6. Comment #195020 by irate_atheist on June 17, 2008 at 2:35 pm
7. Comment #195024 by Mark Smith on June 17, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Well done Alister McGrath I say!8. Comment #195030 by prettygoodformonkeys on June 17, 2008 at 3:10 pm
Suddenly I was free to use my energy on better things than defending self-contradictory religious dogmas and justify that I still called myself "Christian".I hope he likes using his energy to dismantle these dogmas. We can sure use him.
9. Comment #195036 by Thurston on June 17, 2008 at 3:20 pm
10. Comment #195038 by Friend Giskard on June 17, 2008 at 3:26 pm
...even if both Dawkins and Hitchens are imprecise and may not come up with the most sophisticated arguments against religious faith...
11. Comment #195042 by MarcLindenberg on June 17, 2008 at 3:31 pm
12. Comment #195045 by tieInterceptor on June 17, 2008 at 3:33 pm
13. Comment #195048 by mordacious1 on June 17, 2008 at 3:36 pm
14. Comment #195055 by Nova on June 17, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Atheism sure is smashing ahead, while we get well known Christian personalities like this guy and Dan Barker, all the Christians have are people who sorta kinda didn't believe in God so they were atheists - well maybe agnostics or deists - well they didn't really think about it... but then they found Christ and were saved! The conversion examples they give are pathetic.Man, McGrath's book was terrible... I read it expecting maybe some good arguments, but man it sucked.
That's the only way to put it. It sucked.
15. Comment #195057 by Roy_H on June 17, 2008 at 4:02 pm
16. Comment #195058 by phil rimmer on June 17, 2008 at 4:05 pm
17. Comment #195060 by black wolf on June 17, 2008 at 4:05 pm
18. Comment #195062 by Duarf Dog on June 17, 2008 at 4:10 pm
Onward and upward.19. Comment #195065 by mixmastergaz on June 17, 2008 at 4:18 pm
20. Comment #195067 by Frankus1122 on June 17, 2008 at 4:22 pm
"It is not the gaps in our understanding of the world that point to God, but rather the comprehensibility of scientific and other forms of understanding that requires an explanantion. In brief the argument is that explicability itself requires explanation"
21. Comment #195069 by black wolf on June 17, 2008 at 4:31 pm
22. Comment #195070 by mdowe on June 17, 2008 at 4:32 pm
23. Comment #195075 by tank on June 17, 2008 at 4:51 pm
Don't be an apostate. It is not to late, as long as you draw breath, to turn around and praise God, the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the one and only Almighty God.24. Comment #195077 by mdowe on June 17, 2008 at 4:54 pm
25. Comment #195080 by info_dump on June 17, 2008 at 4:59 pm
26. Comment #195081 by Frankus1122 on June 17, 2008 at 5:01 pm
27. Comment #195090 by tieInterceptor on June 17, 2008 at 5:31 pm
28. Comment #195092 by Neuro on June 17, 2008 at 5:38 pm
29. Comment #195094 by Cartomancer on June 17, 2008 at 5:53 pm
Don't be an apostate... re-discover how awesome Jesus Christ isIn order to be an apostate one actually has to have been a part of the religion in the first place, and in order to rediscover something one actually has to have discovered it in the first place. I'm sick of this pathetic assumption among moron theists like yourself that everyone must have started out in their silly little cult of the magic sky goblin and atheism is therefore the abandonment of it. Many of us have never believed in your or any other brand of theistic nonsense at all and merely laugh at the narrow-mindedness of its world view.
30. Comment #195095 by robaylesbury on June 17, 2008 at 5:54 pm
31. Comment #195096 by Laurie Fraser on June 17, 2008 at 5:57 pm
32. Comment #195098 by Mr. Forrest on June 17, 2008 at 6:01 pm
Don't be an apostate. It is not to late, as long as you draw breath, to turn around and praise God, the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the one and only Almighty God.
Take care to not venture so far in your thoughts of folly and evil. This is not a game. It will determine where your soul will rest in eternity.
Come to Jesus Christ and praise his name. Belief, Praise, Repentance and Love will do wonders for you.
Please change your minds, please look into the truth and re-discover how awesome Jesus Christ is and what you can accomplish with Him working through you. You know, in your heart, it is true.
May God bless you and keep you.
33. Comment #195100 by robaylesbury on June 17, 2008 at 6:09 pm
34. Comment #195102 by fizhburn on June 17, 2008 at 6:20 pm
35. Comment #195104 by Don_Quix on June 17, 2008 at 6:26 pm
We just sound like angry atheists.
36. Comment #195105 by Mr. Forrest on June 17, 2008 at 6:26 pm
Robaylesbury... while you're probably right that tank means well, he just effectively asked whom ever he was adressing, im assuming the norwegian guy, to ignore his own reasoning and return to a totalitarian cult that makes a mockery of human intellect and dignity.37. Comment #195124 by secondsoprano on June 17, 2008 at 6:55 pm
Don't be an apostate. It is not to late, as long as you draw breath, to turn around and praise God, the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the one and only Almighty God.
Take care to not venture so far in your thoughts of folly and evil. This is not a game. It will determine where your soul will rest in eternity.
Come to Jesus Christ and praise his name. Belief, Praise, Repentance and Love will do wonders for you.
Please change your minds, please look into the truth and re-discover how awesome Jesus Christ is and what you can accomplish with Him working through you. You know, in your heart, it is true.
May God bless you and keep you.
38. Comment #195135 by chuckgoecke on June 17, 2008 at 7:30 pm
Comment #195014 by mordacious1 on June 17, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Boy, finding an emminent scientist who is a christian is hard enough, but when he's from Norway...that is rare.
edit: Re-reading this it sounds like scientists are rare in Norway, what I meant was that christians are rare, especially astrophysicists. I think McGrath reduced that number by 100%.
39. Comment #195148 by dragonfirematrix on June 17, 2008 at 7:53 pm
40. Comment #195177 by Tom Coward on June 17, 2008 at 8:45 pm
Following up on chuckgoecke, I have heard from several sources that the Norwegians are the most conservative of the Scandanavians, with a relatively high percentage of evangelical and conservative church members.41. Comment #195186 by GordonYKWong on June 17, 2008 at 9:03 pm
42. Comment #195192 by mordacious1 on June 17, 2008 at 9:21 pm
43. Comment #195193 by SPS on June 17, 2008 at 9:23 pm
"In brief the argument is that explicability itself requires explanation"
44. Comment #195194 by prettygoodformonkeys on June 17, 2008 at 9:26 pm
45. Comment #195195 by Goldy on June 17, 2008 at 9:35 pm
Come to Jesus Christ and praise his name. Belief, Praise, Repentance and Love will do wonders for you.
Please change your minds, please look into the truth and re-discover how awesome Jesus Christ is and what you can accomplish with Him working through you. You know, in your heart, it is true.
46. Comment #195199 by catskill on June 17, 2008 at 9:55 pm
47. Comment #195201 by Goldy on June 17, 2008 at 10:02 pm
I wish one wacko posting would not hijack a whole thread of comments.
48. Comment #195203 by 8teist on June 17, 2008 at 10:05 pm
49. Comment #195210 by EvidenceOnly on June 17, 2008 at 10:48 pm
Tank,50. Comment #195211 by Loke on June 17, 2008 at 11:01 pm
Hi everyone,
1. Comment #194999 by SomeDanGuy on June 17, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Hurray! The campaigns of the 'new atheists' ARE working. If only logic could prevail for every believer...(Heh, broken link side-stepped. We're a crafty bunch around here.)
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