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3. Comment #199765 by Oystein Elgaroy on June 26, 2008 at 10:39 am
4. Comment #199767 by epeeist on June 26, 2008 at 10:40 am
5. Comment #199770 by Steve Zara on June 26, 2008 at 10:43 am
Correlation supersedes causation, and science can advance even without coherent models, unified theories, or really any mechanistic explanation at all
6. Comment #199780 by Caudimordax on June 26, 2008 at 10:57 am
7. Comment #199781 by qomak on June 26, 2008 at 10:58 am
8. Comment #199782 by Sciros on June 26, 2008 at 10:58 am
9. Comment #199790 by epeeist on June 26, 2008 at 11:06 am
Collecting huge amounts of data and statistically analysing this has always been part of mainstream science. There is no change in the scientific method that results from that.Data mining in the finance industry comes to mind as well.
10. Comment #199794 by qomak on June 26, 2008 at 11:10 am
We can throw the numbers into the biggest computing clusters the world has ever seen and let statistical algorithms find patterns where science cannot.
11. Comment #199795 by Steve Zara on June 26, 2008 at 11:11 am
12. Comment #199800 by Apathy personified on June 26, 2008 at 11:18 am
What can science learn from Google?
13. Comment #199803 by Edouard Pernod on June 26, 2008 at 11:24 am
14. Comment #199813 by squinky on June 26, 2008 at 11:33 am
15. Comment #199816 by advocatus_diaboli on June 26, 2008 at 11:35 am
Another problem is that many of the algorithms involved, even if we pretend they are not themselves based on models, use a fair bit of fuzzy math themselves and only make relative comparison. They sort out enough to ensure that a, b, and c have a certain relation to one another but in complex systems, especially something as diverse as entire ecosystems, I have difficulty believing our dear Ventor is hitting all his targets(suppose I am off to pull up information on him now).16. Comment #199819 by Don_Quix on June 26, 2008 at 11:37 am
17. Comment #199823 by advocatus_diaboli on June 26, 2008 at 11:40 am
This sounds like a computer scientist's wet dream.
18. Comment #199829 by Cartomancer on June 26, 2008 at 11:52 am
19. Comment #199842 by Veon on June 26, 2008 at 12:12 pm
20. Comment #199845 by 8teist on June 26, 2008 at 12:19 pm
21. Comment #199851 by Brian English on June 26, 2008 at 12:26 pm
"Correlation is enough.
22. Comment #199856 by LochRaven on June 26, 2008 at 12:34 pm
23. Comment #199858 by Sciros on June 26, 2008 at 12:35 pm
Pure crap. This sounds like a computer scientist's wet dream. I remember computational types saying that after the human genome was sequenced, we'd be able to cure diseases using a computer. Right! Get out of the darkened office, stop staring at the screen, and go get a beer or get laid or something you stupid neckbeards!
24. Comment #199867 by 82abhilash on June 26, 2008 at 12:48 pm
There is now a better way. Petabytes allow us to say: "Correlation is enough."
25. Comment #199900 by kwhitefoot on June 26, 2008 at 1:29 pm
26. Comment #199927 by adamhaar on June 26, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Re: 25. Comment #199900 by kwhitefoot27. Comment #199956 by gr8hands on June 26, 2008 at 2:33 pm
I suppose I'm the first to mention the specific errors in Chris Anderson's inaccurate rant relating to language.That's why Google can translate languages without actually "knowing" them (given equal corpus data, Google can translate Klingon into Farsi as easily as it can translate French into German).Clearly Anderson has not actually looked at the Google website, where they actively solicit fluent native speakers in languages to help them make Google available in other languages.
And why it can match ads to content without any knowledge or assumptions about the ads or the content.What a joke! The ads have a tremendously low (and ridiculous) match rate! And Anderson is obviously ignorant about website metatags.
28. Comment #199959 by advocatus_diaboli on June 26, 2008 at 2:39 pm
gr8hands, if I can find it I had a link(I think I got it from the Code Project newsletter if anyone receives it and can think of the date)to a list of amusing google ad hacks where people were exploiting the great intelligence that is google's ad system to give amusing results.29. Comment #199969 by Barry Pearson on June 26, 2008 at 2:57 pm
30. Comment #199970 by TeraBrat on June 26, 2008 at 2:59 pm
We can throw the numbers into the biggest computing clusters the world has ever seen and let statistical algorithms find patterns where science cannot.
31. Comment #199972 by advocatus_diaboli on June 26, 2008 at 3:02 pm
Even if you were able to give an exact description of a lignin molecule I doubt a computer could give you every possible molecule it could become under all possible conditions.
32. Comment #199983 by AmericanGodless on June 26, 2008 at 3:16 pm
33. Comment #200047 by OrbitalMike on June 26, 2008 at 5:15 pm
34. Comment #200049 by ricey on June 26, 2008 at 5:20 pm
WIRED is loosing the plot.35. Comment #200056 by chuckgoecke on June 26, 2008 at 5:48 pm
36. Comment #200058 by dr joneZ on June 26, 2008 at 5:52 pm
How is this supposed to tell us what new data we need to seek? What new telescope do we need? What new collider? What new biological probes?Barry Pearson's comment is the most perceptive so far IMO. In order to analyse anything there needs to be something there to analyse doesn't there? Imagine a bunch of experts seated around a table, ready and fired up to do some hardcore number-crunching. They all go home early because nothing happened. Why? Nobody was able to come up with anything to analyse.
37. Comment #200086 by dragonfirematrix on June 26, 2008 at 8:07 pm
38. Comment #200089 by Scot Rafkin on June 26, 2008 at 8:32 pm
39. Comment #200125 by jo5ef on June 27, 2008 at 12:07 am
Usually I'm a fan of a bit of arm waving about the impact of the Internet etc on human knowledge myself, but this article seems to be incoherent and lacking in real insight.40. Comment #200136 by Raiko on June 27, 2008 at 1:10 am
There is now a better way. Petabytes allow us to say: "Correlation is enough." We can stop looking for models. We can analyze the data without hypotheses about what it might show. We can throw the numbers into the biggest computing clusters the world has ever seen and let statistical algorithms find patterns where science cannot.
41. Comment #200164 by Tomaslau on June 27, 2008 at 2:14 am
I get it. What he wants is to build (ei. have someone build) a HUGE computer that will solve the big questions of life, the universe and everything.42. Comment #200210 by sean salvador on June 27, 2008 at 4:47 am
Not much to say here.43. Comment #200352 by inverse on June 27, 2008 at 11:37 am
Speaking as someone with a degree in computer science....44. Comment #200511 by Rational_G on June 27, 2008 at 6:50 pm
45. Comment #201099 by Gynwer on June 29, 2008 at 3:02 am
Now, computer science "evolves" from one buzz to the next, so what the article claims can - in my humble opinion - safely be ignored.46. Comment #202103 by latsot on June 30, 2008 at 9:24 pm
1. Comment #199762 by glenister_m on June 26, 2008 at 10:35 am
To paraphrase:Your data is impressive, but is it science?
I have to wonder if during his work Venter collected some gene fragments, and two unrelated fragments were linked by chance into a unique sequence, whether that could be mistaken for a new unknown species? It would then take a lot of work to determine that no such species existed. Or what if the genes are leftovers from an extinct species that doesn't have modern analogs and therefore no basis for comparison?
I appreciate the value of discovering a new species, but on this planet at least can you really be credited with discovering it if you don't know anything about it? (Obviously if we detected another planet with both oxygen and methane in the atmosphere, that would indicate an unknown life form, and would be a big discovery).
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