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Document THANK GOODNESS!

by Daniel C. Dennett / Edge.org

DANIEL C. DENNETT is University Professor, Professor of Philosophy, and Director of the Center for Cognitive Studies at Tufts University. His most recent book is Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon. Buy it at Amazon.com.

Daniel C. Dennett's Edge Bio Page
http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/bios/dennett.html

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THANK GOODNESS!

dennett hospitalThere are no atheists in foxholes, according to an old but dubious saying, and there is at least a little anecdotal evidence in favor of it in the notorious cases of famous atheists who have emerged from near-death experiences to announce to the world that they have changed their minds. The British philosopher Sir A. J. Ayer, who died in 1989, is a fairly recent example. Here is another anecdote to ponder.

Two weeks ago, I was rushed by ambulance to a hospital where it was determined by c-t scan that I had a "dissection of the aorta"—the lining of the main output vessel carrying blood from my heart had been torn up, creating a two-channel pipe where there should only be one. Fortunately for me, the fact that I'd had a coronary artery bypass graft seven years ago probably saved my life, since the tangle of scar tissue that had grown like ivy around my heart in the intervening years reinforced the aorta, preventing catastrophic leakage from the tear in the aorta itself. After a nine-hour surgery, in which my heart was stopped entirely and my body and brain were chilled down to about 45 degrees to prevent brain damage from lack of oxygen until they could get the heart-lung machine pumping, I am now the proud possessor of a new aorta and aortic arch, made of strong Dacron fabric tubing sewn into shape on the spot by the surgeon, attached to my heart by a carbon-fiber valve that makes a reassuring little click every time my heart beats.

As I now enter a gentle period of recuperation, I have much to reflect on, about the harrowing experience itself and even more about the flood of supporting messages I've received since word got out about my latest adventure. Friends were anxious to learn if I had had a near-death experience, and if so, what effect it had had on my longstanding public atheism. Had I had an epiphany? Was I going to follow in the footsteps of Ayer (who recovered his aplomb and insisted a few days later "what I should have said is that my experiences have weakened, not my belief that there is no life after death, but my inflexible attitude towards that belief"), or was my atheism still intact and unchanged?

Yes, I did have an epiphany. I saw with greater clarity than ever before in my life that when I say "Thank goodness!" this is not merely a euphemism for "Thank God!" (We atheists don't believe that there is any God to thank.) I really do mean THANK GOODNESS! There is a lot of goodness in this world, and more goodness every day, and this fantastic human-made fabric of excellence is genuinely responsible for the fact that I am alive today. It is a worthy recipient of the gratitude I feel today, and I want to celebrate that fact here and now.

To whom, then, do I owe a debt of gratitude? To the cardiologist who has kept me alive and ticking for years, and who swiftly and confidently rejected the original diagnosis of nothing worse than pneumonia. To the surgeons, neurologists, anesthesiologists, and the perfusionist, who kept my systems going for many hours under daunting circumstances. To the dozen or so physician assistants, and to nurses and physical therapists and x-ray technicians and a small army of phlebotomists so deft that you hardly know they are drawing your blood, and the people who brought the meals, kept my room clean, did the mountains of laundry generated by such a messy case, wheel-chaired me to x-ray, and so forth. These people came from Uganda, Kenya, Liberia, Haiti, the Philippines, Croatia, Russia, China, Korea, India—and the United States, of course—and I have never seen more impressive mutual respect, as they helped each other out and checked each other's work. But for all their teamwork, this local gang could not have done their jobs without the huge background of contributions from others. I remember with gratitude my late friend and Tufts colleague, physicist Allan Cormack, who shared the Nobel Prize for his invention of the c-t scanner. Allan—you have posthumously saved yet another life, but who's counting? The world is better for the work you did. Thank goodness. Then there is the whole system of medicine, both the science and the technology, without which the best-intentioned efforts of individuals would be roughly useless. So I am grateful to the editorial boards and referees, past and present, of SCIENCE, NATURE, JOURNAL OF THE AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION, LANCET, and all the other institutions of science and medicine that keep churning out improvements, detecting and correcting flaws.

Do I WORSHIP modern medicine? Is science my RELIGION? Not at all; there is no aspect of modern medicine or science that I would exempt from the most rigorous scrutiny, and I can readily identify a host of serious problems that still need to be fixed. That's easy to do, of course, because the worlds of medicine and science are already engaged in the most obsessive, intensive, and humble self-assessments yet known to human institutions, and they regularly make public the results of their self-examinations. Moreover, this open-ended rational criticism, imperfect as it is, is the secret of the astounding success of these human enterprises. There are measurable improvements every day. Had I had my blasted aorta a decade ago, there would have been no prayer of saving me. It's hardly routine today, but the odds of my survival were actually not so bad (these days, roughly 33 percent of aortic dissection patients die in the first twenty-four hours after onset without treatment, and the odds get worse by the hour thereafter).

One thing in particular struck me when I compared the medical world on which my life now depended with the religious institutions I have been studying so intensively in recent years. One of the gentler, more supportive themes to be found in every religion (so far as I know) is the idea that what really matters is what is in your heart: if you have good intentions, and are trying to do what (God says) is right, that is all anyone can ask. Not so in medicine! If you are wrong—especially if you should have known better—your good intentions count for almost nothing. And whereas taking a leap of faith and acting without further scrutiny of one's options is often celebrated by religions, it is considered a grave sin in medicine. A doctor whose devout faith in his personal revelations about how to treat aortic aneurysm led him to engage in untested trials with human patients would be severely reprimanded if not driven out of medicine altogether. There are exceptions, of course. A few swashbuckling, risk-taking pioneers are tolerated and (if they prove to be right) eventually honored, but they can exist only as rare exceptions to the ideal of the methodical investigator who scrupulously rules out alternative theories before putting his own into practice. Good intentions and inspiration are simply not enough.

In other words, whereas religions may serve a benign purpose by letting many people feel comfortable with the level of morality they themselves can attain, no religion holds its members to the high standards of moral responsibility that the secular world of science and medicine does! And I'm not just talking about the standards 'at the top'—among the surgeons and doctors who make life or death decisions every day. I'm talking about the standards of conscientiousness endorsed by the lab technicians and meal preparers, too. This tradition puts its faith in the UNLIMITED application of reason and empirical inquiry, checking and re-checking, and getting in the habit of asking "What if I'm wrong?" Appeals to faith or membership are never tolerated. Imagine the reception a scientist would get if he tried to suggest that others couldn't replicate his results because they just didn't share the faith of the people in his lab! And, to return to my main point, it is the goodness of this tradition of reason and open inquiry that I thank for my being alive today.

What, though, do I say to those of my religious friends (and yes, I have quite a few religious friends) who have had the courage and honesty to tell me that they have been praying for me? I have gladly forgiven them, for there are few circumstances more frustrating than not being able to help a loved one in any more direct way. I confess to regretting that I could not pray (sincerely) for my friends and family in time of need, so I appreciate the urge, however clearly I recognize its futility. I translate my religious friends' remarks readily enough into one version or another of what my fellow brights have been telling me: "I've been thinking about you, and wishing with all my heart [another ineffective but irresistible self-indulgence] that you come through this OK." The fact that these dear friends have been thinking of me in this way, and have taken an effort to let me know, is in itself, without any need for a supernatural supplement, a wonderful tonic. These messages from my family and from friends around the world have been literally heart-warming in my case, and I am grateful for the boost in morale (to truly manic heights, I fear!) that it has produced in me. But I am not joking when I say that I have had to forgive my friends who said that they were PRAYING for me. I have resisted the temptation to respond "Thanks, I appreciate it, but did you also sacrifice a goat?" I feel about this the same way I would feel if one of them said "I just paid a voodoo doctor to cast a spell for your health." What a gullible waste of money that could have been spent on more important projects! Don't expect me to be grateful, or even indifferent. I do appreciate the affection and generosity of spirit that motivated you, but wish you had found a more reasonable way of expressing it.

But isn't this awfully harsh? Surely it does the world no harm if those who can honestly do so pray for me! No, I'm not at all sure about that. For one thing, if they REALLY wanted to do something useful, they could devote their prayer time and energy to some pressing project that they CAN do something about. For another, we now have quite solid grounds (e.g., the recently released Benson study at Harvard) for believing that intercessory prayer simply doesn't work. Anybody whose practice shrugs off that research is subtly undermining respect for the very goodness I am thanking. If you insist on keeping the myth of the effectiveness of prayer alive, you owe the rest of us a justification in the face of the evidence. Pending such a justification, I will excuse you for indulging in your tradition; I know how comforting tradition can be. But I want you to recognize that what you are doing is morally problematic at best. If you would even CONSIDER filing a malpractice suit against a doctor who made a mistake in treating you, or suing a pharmaceutical company that didn't conduct all the proper control tests before selling you a drug that harmed you, you must acknowledge your tacit appreciation of the high standards of rational inquiry to which the medical world holds itself, and yet you continue to indulge in a practice for which there is no known rational justification at all, and take yourself to be actually making a contribution. (Try to imagine your outrage if a pharmaceutical company responded to your suit by blithely replying "But we prayed good and hard for the success of the drug! What more do you want?")

The best thing about saying THANK GOODNESS in place of THANK GOD is that there really are lots of ways of repaying your debt to goodness—by setting out to create more of it, for the benefit of those to come. Goodness comes in many forms, not just medicine and science. Thank goodness for the music of, say, Randy Newman, which could not exist without all those wonderful pianos and recording studios, to say nothing of the musical contributions of every great composer from Bach through Wagner to Scott Joplin and the Beatles. Thank goodness for fresh drinking water in the tap, and food on our table. Thank goodness for fair elections and truthful journalism. If you want to express your gratitude to goodness, you can plant a tree, feed an orphan, buy books for schoolgirls in the Islamic world, or contribute in thousands of other ways to the manifest improvement of life on this planet now and in the near future.

Or you can thank God—but the very idea of repaying God is ludicrous. What could an omniscient, omnipotent Being (the Man Who has Everything?) do with any paltry repayments from you? (And besides, according to the Christian tradition God has already redeemed the debt for all time, by sacrificing his own son. Try to repay that loan!) Yes, I know, those themes are not to be understood LITERALLY; they are symbolic. I grant it, but then the idea that by thanking God you are actually doing some good has got to be understood to be just symbolic, too. I prefer real good to symbolic good.

Still, I excuse those who pray for me. I see them as like tenacious scientists who resist the evidence for theories they don't like long after a graceful concession would have been the appropriate response. I applaud you for your loyalty to your own position—but remember: loyalty to tradition is not enough. You've got to keep asking yourself: What if I'm wrong? In the long run, I think religious people can be asked to live up to the same moral standards as secular people in science and medicine.

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1. Comment #4621 by Randy Ping on November 4, 2006 at 10:23 pm

Get well soon , Dan. You are a true inspiration.

2. Comment #4633 by robzrob on November 5, 2006 at 1:45 am

Wonderful!

3. Comment #4646 by MakingBelieve on November 5, 2006 at 4:37 am

Fantastic! I'm so glad this harrowing experience didn't change his brilliant clarity of thought and expression. I have made a donation to the Canadian Heart & Stroke Foundation in your honour.

4. Comment #4685 by Jack Rawlinson on November 5, 2006 at 11:09 am

Get well soon, Dan. And thanks for the piece. Religious people need to know that some of us can face fear and death without retreating into superstition. Thank goodness, indeed....

5. Comment #4738 by Paul Caira on November 5, 2006 at 4:56 pm

Get well soon, Dan. You're my hero.

6. Comment #4740 by Paul Caira on November 5, 2006 at 5:03 pm

After reading the article in detail, I paid £15 to a heart charity (the British Heart Foundation, admittedly, but I assume it's all to the greater good of hearts everywhere).

Please accept it in place of my prayers.

7. Comment #4744 by Nebularry on November 5, 2006 at 5:35 pm

Once again, Mr. Dennett has enlightened me with his insights. (Dare I say "revelations"?) And it was all said so eloquently. Thank goodness for Daniel Dennett!

Get well soon.

8. Comment #4868 by Al Steuart on November 6, 2006 at 4:25 pm

I appreciate you are feeling happy, I assume, that you survived and are still among us living organisms and I appreciate your thanking not some "spirit" but thanking the persons whose behaviors increased your chances of continuing to live. Regarding those persons who were praying for you, at least, I assume, they were thinking about you. If they were praying to the Christian God for your recovery from this event, I am wondering if any of them considered that this God, if omnipotent and omniscient, was surely aware of your event and, presumably, knew the outcome no matter what the prayers - wouldn't a "god" know that?

Regarding your statement "These messages from my family and from friends around the world have been literally heart-warming in my case, and I am grateful for the boost in morale (to truly manic heights, I fear!) that it has produced in me," I am not understanding how anything you read or heard could have "warmed" your heart or how "it" (what you saw or heard) can produce any activity in your brain whatsoever. No word, no image, no sound ever enters your brain, does it? What does occur in those specialized neurons with which the light "waves" (in case of the eyes)and sound "waves" (in case of the ears)come into contact? Although I do not know you, as Director of the Center for Cognitive Studies, I was expecting a bit more accurate use of language than used in the phase I quoted - know what I mean? I appreciate you felt something when you heard or read some words persons spoke or wrote, but I am thinking whatever you felt was the result of some patterns of thinking of your own that your brain used to interpret what you were seeing (reading) or hearing - so it was those patterns of thinking of yours that produced the feelings, not the words read or heard - wasn't it? "It" (the words read or heard) did not "produce" the boost in morale - "it" could not - why? So now I am wondering what thoughts you might be thinking about these thoughts I've shared.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

9. Comment #4895 by Jenna on November 6, 2006 at 8:00 pm

Dear Prof. Dennett,
Please get well soon. The world truly needs you and your wisdom! Best wishes, Jenna
P.S.: I just started reading your book. From what I've read thus far, brillant!

10. Comment #4937 by iain on November 7, 2006 at 12:48 am

Get well soon.

Your atheism gives me hope. I feel that religion seeks to hijack morality. You claim it back in the name of reason and humanity.

Mega!

11. Comment #4990 by LadySpankington on November 7, 2006 at 5:53 am

Thank goodness alright!

You are such an inspiration, thank you for sharing your thoughts with us.

12. Comment #5005 by David on November 7, 2006 at 7:03 am

Best wishes for a speedy recovery! Your continued eloquence and shining example of intellectual honesty are much needed.

As one who suffered four cardiac arrests in ten months a couple years ago, I can personally report from the edge of oblivion that it is just that: no tunnels, blinding lights, angels, or what have you, just "lights out." Which doesn't distress me. On the contrary, I find it reassuring as it confirms my understanding of the cosmos.

13. Comment #5017 by William on November 7, 2006 at 8:07 am

Hi Billy!

HA HA HA HA! Your down-to-Earth Humour never fails to make me laugh!

Truth be told Billy, many Believers attribute success of some sort or something positive as a 'miracle'.

Yet, if they stepped back and REALLY looked at that success, they'd see that they did it all on their own.

Kind Regards, William.

14. Comment #5056 by Jonathan Dore on November 7, 2006 at 9:12 am

Billy

Your climbing story reminds me of the film/book "Touching the Void", about Joe Simpson's amazing struggle to survive after breaking his leg and falling into a crevasse on the descent from Siula Grande in the Andes. In the film, he describes his thoughts after landing in the crevasse:

"I was brought up as a devout Catholic. I had long since stopped believing in God. I always wondered if things really hit the fan, whether I would, under pressure, turn around and say a few Hail Marys and say, 'Get me out of here.' [But] it never once occurred to me."

The most inspiring moment of an inspiring film.

15. Comment #5110 by Anonymous on November 7, 2006 at 12:55 pm

A very moving, witty, eloquent and inspiring piece. So glad you're getting better and like many others have said I too am looking forward to your next article, essay or book. Cheers!

16. Comment #5113 by DrBrianRobinson on November 7, 2006 at 1:01 pm

Oops, that comment 51 was from me, I must remember to look at the lines in the little boxes more closely.

17. Comment #5264 by Al Steuart on November 8, 2006 at 12:05 pm

Regarding Codonya's comment (#22) to my comment (#21), I appreciate the comments, but I regret you expressed your evaluation of my comment rather than responding to the questions I posed to Dennett. Since Dennett chose to publicly express his thoughts about his heart attack experience and his not changing his belief in the existence of no gods, then I did assume that his thinking processes were not affected by his heart attack and I did assume that his statements about some words read or heard "warming" his heart and those same words producing a "boost" in his morale were reflections of his thoughts about how feelings (and thoughts) are created. I was not and am not now thinking that Dennett shared his thoughts for the purpose of getting expressions of "sympathy" or "get well" wishes or additional "prayers." I am thinking that in his thoughts shared he was communicating that he "believes" (thinks) that words read or heard have some magical power to generate thoughts and feelings in others. I am wondering if you might be thinking similar thoughts? I think DE Ford (comment $ 41)does think that words (or actions) seen or heard do have some sort of power to generate various thoughts and feelings in others. Because "B" follows "A" then "A" must be the "cause" of "B" - I do hope we agree that such a pattern of thinking has been identified as a "fallacy" in thinking? If desired, perhaps we could continue a discussion of this in some forum at this web site?

Regarding my asking a "provocative" question, since I am thinking no question can be a "provocative" question (no question can "provoke" any particular thought or feeling in another), then I am thinking that by that statement you are communicating that you created some thoughts of your own about that question - the thoughts I shared did not "provoke" those thoughts you had - you created those thoughts yourself - didn't you? Also, of course, I am thinking questions cannot be "interesting" (either more or less)or "basic," but certainly you may create your own level of "interest" (some pattern of thinking?) in any question or not and you may evaluate any question asked according to your own patterns of thinking - but your doing so does not make that question have any characteristic that one might label "basic" - does it? I am understanding that you did not like my question - an expression of your own preferences - not a description of some characteristic of the question posed. Regarding my expression of my expectations, I am thinking that as long as I don't violate the quidelines for posting messages at this website, then I do have a "right" to express my expectations about any person in any position - and so do you. Certainly no person has any obligation to meet my expectations, but surely I can express my thinking that some person does not meet my expectations in some thought shared, just as you have a right to communicate that I did not meet your expectations in the thoughts I shared. Regarding my being "polite" or not, I am understanding that to mean that you did not like the thoughts I shared - I appreciate your letting me know that. Still, I did expect and I do expect a Director of Cognitive Studies to pay attention to the degree of validity and accuracy of any thought, shared in public or not. That is my expectation and, as far as I know (which, of course, may not be "far" enough), I have every "right" to express that expectation - Dennett has no obligation to meet my expectations. Regarding my "coming off" as "bright and condescending," again I am thinking you are communicating your own interpretation of my shared thoughts that you read - please note I think I cannot be "bright" or "condescending" - I can only be a human being who was thinking and still is thinking that at this web site all of us are focused on using critical thinking to evaluate the degree of validity and accuracy of our patterns of thinking - those publicly shared and those not publicly shared - aren't we? Of course, it may be I do not understand the intentions of the person or persons who created this website - if I don't, then I am assuming they will let me know.

Again, if you wish to continue a discussion of any of these thoughts I've shared, perhaps we could do so in another forum - I am thinking this forum might not be the forum to continue this discussion.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

Al Steuart
asteuart@mchsi.com
Wofford Hts., CA US 93285
GMT -8

18. Comment #5276 by codonya on November 8, 2006 at 2:34 pm

I think you are right about the forum...I'll share a couple thoughts, and then we can continue elsewhere. You can name the forum.

I think there is lots of scientific evidence that spoken words directly affects other's brain physiology and thoughts. Sound waves are transduced into signals that travel chemically/electrically via neurons to the brain where they are processed in neural nets, etc.. My orignal intent was to say that if you don't follow the gist of what is written above in this paragraph that you are not on very solid ground to be critiquing Dennett's use of language in his article/post. I don't question your "right" to say it, you certainly have every right. I meant rather to question the credibility of your criticism and was using "right" in that sense.

Your words:
Because "B" follows "A" then "A" must be the "cause" of "B"

I agree that is a fallacy, however, it is not the case that saying that spoken words cause thoughts is an example of that fallacy. It would only be so if one's only warrant for saying that thoughts are caused by the spoken word was that one followed the other.
Rather we know it to be the case not simply because thought follow spoken words, but because we can trace a good deal of the physiological processes in impressive detail. If you don't agree that this is the case, then probably our discussion won't get either of us, or anyone else, anywhere of value.

I have to mention that your idea that no one else's actions / words etc. can cause any internal response sounds an awful lot like Albert Ellis' Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy or the folk wisdom attributed to Elenor Roosevelt along the lines that no one can make you feel inferior without your consent. It is a nice thought, but it simply isn't true in any strict sense. It hints at truth in the loose sense that I can have some influence over what my internal response will be to what someone else says to me, but is show to be false in that I would rightly be held responsible if I walked up to a stranger and told him I was going to kill him. It would cause a cascade of thoughts, hormones, and brain activity that would cause suffering.

You are correct that my thinking that your question that was combined by your expressed disappointment with Dr. Dennett metaphoric use of language was basic is an evaluation on my part. On the other hand, I think a good number of credible people could be found who would agree that 2 + 2 = 4 is a relatively basic computation. Basic is merely an evaluation that is not contained in the equation, you are right, but I disagree if you're saying that saying that the statement "2 + 2 = 4 is a simple math problem" would hold no meaning beyond my personal evaluation. Large numbers of people could be found who would readily agree. It holds conveys a useful public meaning.

I look forward to talking more in the forum of your choice. Perhaps you could post it here so I can find you.

19. Comment #5554 by Max on November 9, 2006 at 11:52 pm

Dan,
Get well, yours is a voice we definately need.
Thanks for all the work you have done to clarify our thinking. Except about football, here you have problems. Anyone who would root for the Patriots against the Colts has clearly been deranged by quasi-relgious sports loyalties. It is a demonstrable fact that the Colts are the perfect football team.
Seriously though, get well.

20. Comment #5692 by Al Steuart on November 10, 2006 at 1:52 pm

Regarding Codonya's reply to me (#58), I have posted a message in the forum "The God Delusion Book Discussion" that concerns the topic of "Language: Validity and Accuracy" so any discussion of my comment regarding words not having the power to generate feelings (emotions or thoughts or actions, for that matter)in a person may continue in that forum - since I see statements in Dawkins book The God Delusion that communicate something similar to what Dennett communicated regarding those "warm" feelings and that "morale" being uplifted.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

Thanks for your feedback!

21. Comment #5866 by codonya on November 11, 2006 at 12:46 pm

Wow Malcom, that's rough. You got people around you who are sympathetic with you wanting to make your way through this sticking with the rational? I sure understand the how the God stuff can sound alluring—promises of comfort and watching over your family in the event that you couldn't. I had a conversion experience in my teens and was a fundamentalist for about 4 years. Early on trying to make it without the social support of the church that I'd invested all my and relationships in not to mention the world view that answered most of the tough questions (until I learned more) was pretty rough going. I used to wonder if I would end up getting scared enough if I were aware that I was dying that I would revert back. Though even if I did revert, technically I dout I would have believed, but like Dennett has written about, I would have wanted to believe (believed in belief).

I admire you working to stick with the rational despite the inevitable pressures to do otherwise. Throughout history there proportionally haven't been all that many folks who've done so. Most people haven't known there was actually an option to opt out of a supernatural world view. I hope you experience some sense of pride in that. Hope your treatment is going well and that it does the trick.

22. Comment #10303 by Anonymous on November 27, 2006 at 7:38 pm

Concerning comment made by #5232, Lydia Hartunian:

If this is the Lydia B. Hartunian who taught at Emerson College in Boston, the following message is for you: (if this is not the Dr. Hartunian I am looking for, please disregard this note)

I am one of your former students from Emerson College's honors program. I graduated 5 years ago, and I am now married with two beautiful children. I have never forgotten you, Lydia. I remember everything about you, down to your middle initial!
I just want you to know, that my husband and I pray for you regularly. I remember you sharing with me some of the goals you have in life-- We pray that God would give you the desires of your heart. May you be well.

Sincerely,
A Student Who Has Never Forgotten You.
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