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3. Comment #203573 by Allan on July 3, 2008 at 7:22 am
Well said Johann! Science was poorly taught and dull at my school, since I left I've enjoyed reading about quantum mechanics, astronomy and of course evolution. It appeared that all the wonder and spectacle was taken out of science as soon as you hit secondary school.4. Comment #203575 by bugaboo on July 3, 2008 at 7:31 am
In secondary school when the science teacher threw some sodium into a jar of water or burned some Mg that woke the class up. I dont think this sort of thing is allowed anymore (HSE). A crying shame!5. Comment #203578 by Dhamma on July 3, 2008 at 7:38 am
6. Comment #203581 by pwl on July 3, 2008 at 7:46 am
As a science teacher can I assure you that sodium into water is still allowed (with a few precautions) as are many other exciting experiments.7. Comment #203585 by DavidSJA on July 3, 2008 at 7:51 am
I'm thinking about becoming a Physician Assistant once I graduate with a BSc (Hons) in Life Sciences from the Open University next year, but I also think it would be cool to qualify as a teacher and spend a day a week teaching biology and chemistry to secondary school students to inspire the next generations.8. Comment #203588 by bugaboo on July 3, 2008 at 7:53 am
6. Comment #203581 by pwlAs a science teacher can I assure you that sodium into water is still allowed (with a few precautions) as are many other exciting experiments.
9. Comment #203589 by Oystein Elgaroy on July 3, 2008 at 7:55 am
10. Comment #203597 by Ygern on July 3, 2008 at 8:04 am
I had two completely different experiences with science teachers. In Junior High, we had a wonderful, deeply committed science teacher who not only did experiments as often as possible, but encouraged us to reproduce them too (in the lab, of course!). He is partially responsible for my life-long fascination with the subjects of physics and chemistry, even though I am purely a 'layman'. My senior high school science teacher was a disgrace to his profession. He never did experiments, was largely unprepared for class, teaching consisted of reading verbatim out of a textbook. How he managed to not be kicked out of his job is still a source of bemusement to me. Who knows how many children had to endure his classes and left school in complete ignorance as a result?11. Comment #203599 by bujin on July 3, 2008 at 8:12 am
Good article!12. Comment #203600 by TeraBrat on July 3, 2008 at 8:15 am
That being said, I think it is foolish to represent science as easy or entertaining. Science is really hard
13. Comment #203603 by bugaboo on July 3, 2008 at 8:22 am
9. Comment #203589 by Oystein Elgaroy14. Comment #203606 by bugaboo on July 3, 2008 at 8:28 am
TeraBratJust because something is hard doesn't mean it can't be fun.
15. Comment #203608 by Oystein Elgaroy on July 3, 2008 at 8:32 am
16. Comment #203609 by Styrer- on July 3, 2008 at 8:32 am
Of course this article is absolutely spot on, to a degree that it seemed to me as if it was simply 'stating the bleeding obvious'. My reaction only reinforces, of course, the powerful message of crisis Hari is making and that needs to be taken on board.17. Comment #203610 by Mr. Flibble on July 3, 2008 at 8:33 am
18. Comment #203613 by ~manic-depressive on July 3, 2008 at 8:35 am
19. Comment #203626 by DamnDirtyApe on July 3, 2008 at 9:09 am
Thus his opinion on the highschool requirement for memorizing the periodic table was in his words: "Bullshit".
20. Comment #203630 by Elles on July 3, 2008 at 9:16 am
21. Comment #203634 by Epinephrine on July 3, 2008 at 9:19 am
22. Comment #203636 by Edouard Pernod on July 3, 2008 at 9:24 am
23. Comment #203661 by manicstreetpreacher on July 3, 2008 at 10:30 am
24. Comment #203677 by sidfaiwu on July 3, 2008 at 10:55 am
25. Comment #203683 by Quine on July 3, 2008 at 11:03 am
26. Comment #203686 by Steve Zara on July 3, 2008 at 11:11 am
The crowning glory was that I didn't even get to dissect a frog, which was commonly anticipated as the most exciting lesson, for which I was bloody well off sick.
27. Comment #203693 by Border Collie on July 3, 2008 at 11:24 am
This is nothing new. When Ronald Reagan was first elected president and proceeded to tell Americans 'to not worry about education, we'll teach you everything you need to know', things really started to go to hell in a handbasket. Welcome to this brave new world of superstition, celebrity worship and pure intellectual laziness.28. Comment #203696 by Faithhead on July 3, 2008 at 11:30 am
The crowning glory was that I didn't even get to dissect a frog, which was commonly anticipated as the most exciting lesson, for which I was bloody well off sick
29. Comment #203697 by mordacious1 on July 3, 2008 at 11:32 am
My daughter has had a couple of really good science teachers so far, but I feel that does not relinquish my responsibility to "teach" science every day at our house. Most of the time, my kids don't even know that we are doing "science", just their dumb old dad asking what they think about how weed seeds get transported around the property so easily. Or having snakes and other critters in the house and having them ponder the similarities to other organisms.30. Comment #203709 by Funnyguts on July 3, 2008 at 12:07 pm
Why does no one in school administration (as well as the legislators that keep pushing the obsessive checklist system) read these kinds of things? The sentiments expressed about science can just as easily be applied to the rest of the subjects schools fail to make exciting and worthwhile.31. Comment #203737 by Diocletian on July 3, 2008 at 1:11 pm
Children begin life as scientists - they experiment all the time (psychological experiments mostly). As Hari points out, schools manage to kill the natural love of science. I disagree, however, with Edouard Pernod's idea of starting out with Newtonian physics and making certain that kids know science is HARD. It is precisely this sort of attitude toward science education that will kill the love of science.32. Comment #203762 by saraswati on July 3, 2008 at 2:11 pm
Wow, I guess I must've been lucky... I took IGSCEs and A-levels, and I thought all my science teachers and classes were fantastic. They hold a large part of the responsibility for instilling my interest in science.33. Comment #203767 by Lord Zero on July 3, 2008 at 2:21 pm
34. Comment #203768 by MelM on July 3, 2008 at 2:23 pm
It took years to understand that I'd learned (in effect) a bunch of science as dogma. I've not taken this course but it sure seems to be a solution to the problem. I'd wanted this for (too many) years: maybe I'll buy the course yet although it's way way too late to do much with it--other than having a fun time.From the ad:
The same thing happened when I "learned" about atoms. In first grade, I was shown a model and some pretty pictures of atoms, told that they had things called a nucleus, protons, neutrons, and electrons, and told that everything in the world was made up of them. How did scientists know about these complex things that I couldn't see? I had no idea--just the teacher's say-so. I was not learning--I was parroting. And I was parroting when I "learned" the periodic table, the nature of light, electricity, magnetism, and the other fundamentals of science. They were presented as random bolts from the blue--to be accepted blindly.
Is it any wonder that with this kind of "teaching," most of us spend our years in science class bored and confused, and emerge with virtually no valuable knowledge?
From the ad:
Mr. Harriman's course is unlike any other because for every principle of science he teaches, he gives you the evidence that scientists themselves used to discover it.
35. Comment #203773 by Lemniscate on July 3, 2008 at 2:32 pm
36. Comment #203789 by Funnyguts on July 3, 2008 at 3:25 pm
@Saraswati: That hands-on stuff you mention does sound pretty boring. Projects where the outcome is already guaranteed are lousy. There are definitely plenty of hands-on activities that would be both more fun and more educational. I personally recommend (especially in the higher levels) that students be encouraged to create their own experiments, which a)gives them autonomy, b)helps them master the scientific method and the way real scientists think as the actual facts are reinforced, and c)requires them to be creative and thoughtful as they design their experiments.37. Comment #203795 by Jenny Taylier on July 3, 2008 at 3:43 pm
Great article! It's well known that the best way to learn something is by DOING it, so the requirement to conduct experiments in science should mean that kids generally do better in this subject. The fact that they don't seems to indicate teachers are missing this opportunity.38. Comment #203803 by Rational_G on July 3, 2008 at 4:18 pm
39. Comment #203811 by Lightnin on July 3, 2008 at 4:55 pm
I normally resist polemics against the current standard of teaching, because, quite frankly they are most often given by people who have no direct contact with schools and teaching (politicians/journalists etc)., and their opinions/suggestions are unhelpful or unrealistic.40. Comment #203816 by MrPinz on July 3, 2008 at 5:16 pm
41. Comment #203817 by TeraBrat on July 3, 2008 at 5:18 pm
Titrating is "yawn" boring, unless you have an automatic titrater that you can set up and walk away from and come back to a printout of the results.42. Comment #203819 by Lemniscate on July 3, 2008 at 5:40 pm
43. Comment #203832 by justaperson on July 3, 2008 at 6:54 pm
44. Comment #203835 by moderndaythomas on July 3, 2008 at 7:18 pm
It's as if art classes consisted solely of learning how to perform individual little brushstrokes, without ever stopping to look at a painting by Caravaggio.
45. Comment #203852 by King of NH on July 3, 2008 at 8:38 pm
46. Comment #203853 by debaser71 on July 3, 2008 at 8:41 pm
I dunno my science education was pretty good and fairly interesting. More interesting than the other courses I had to take in school.47. Comment #203857 by Goldy on July 3, 2008 at 8:51 pm
Personally, I loved science. It's why I continued along that avenue rather than history and English. I did chemistry for A level because of the benzene ring :-)48. Comment #203859 by T4Baxter on July 3, 2008 at 8:58 pm
49. Comment #203864 by mordacious1 on July 3, 2008 at 9:18 pm
Goldy50. Comment #203866 by Goldy on July 3, 2008 at 9:21 pm
Well, bugger me, you're right! That would make climbing easier! *Sound of Steve's bionic legs making their tsh tsh tsh noise*This article is reposted from a website that accepts comments.
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1. Comment #203565 by HourglassMemory on July 3, 2008 at 6:57 am
Hear, hear!!!Being 18, I have it fresh in my mind, and I couldn't agree more.
I have an issue with Educational System. With Schooling, not Education. I have an issue with the actual way children and teenagers are taught things.
The system we have is from the 19th century if I'm not mistaken. No wonder it doesn't work with the young minds of the 21st century.
There are so many people having to learn that the only way society has found to have them learn some general things about the world is to make them sit in rows of chairs.
And there are so many people, that the only way to understand how they're doing, is by industrial-like testing.
Through the years it has been sliding down, now only caring about how people do in exams and behave in a classroom. It's sad and frustrating to be in such a system, to be a student and find so many flaws( being a student you feel them first hand) and yet you have to go with the crowd. It's so limiting.
No wonder it kills creativity.
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/ken_robinson_says_schools_kill_creativity.html
The fact that many great thinkers had issues with school, said something critical of traditional schooling, or are actual drop outs, should tell us something.
Just type "Schooling Quotes" on Google and just read what Mark Twain, Thomas Edison, Winston Churchill and Albert Einstein have to say about it.
I can bet you that more than half the people in a school, especially the students, wouldn't be able to tell the difference between Education and Schooling.
But they're such totally different things!!!
I feel that everybody has something to say about their current educational system, a criticism, and yet only a few stand up to point out its flaws.
Here's a quote of mine when I was 14.
"Every time I want to learn, I find myself stuck in school."
And another
"If I learn something in school, it's because it sporadically hits my interests."
And another one
"School gives students a paranoid fear for being unsuccessful."
This last quote is relevant to science.
Imagine scientists being afraid of failing!!!!
How can you have scientifically minded people if you instil this fear in them?
School never instilled in me this passion I now have for Science. I might have had it since very young, but things at home were totally different from things at school.
At home I have my father asking me interesting questions and presentig me with paradoxes and I have the Internet. My god! wher eI would be without the internet. God bless Tim Berners Lee.
This passion was only born with watching Carl Sagan's lectures on Youtube at 4 o'clock in the morning and receiving "Cosmos" during Christmas, and reading Dawkins' books.
Before that, Science to me was a subject in school. It was "you have to know this, you have to know that. Anaphases, Krebs cycles and genes, geological strata, time periods and radiometric datings. And the Test is in a week."
I don't blame the teachers... It's the system.
I feel like it's putting the tracks in front of the train, as it's moving miles per hour already. And so teachers find themselves having to do only the essential (spurt out the facts and test the kids to see if they remember). There's no time to breathe, to be natural, to let it flow as the heads of kids demand.
Outside of school, I can take my time to learn things.
Also, I can't remember a single time where Sagan or Dawkins saying "Remember this, you have to know it."
There's no need for that. Your mind remembers what it desires to remember, it glues knowledge together with meaning, with reasons to being there, and the more you learn for why things are the way they are (Science helps you with this tremendously) the better the glue is the harder it is to let go of that knowledge.
And this system makes kids decide what they want to do with their lives TOO early. How can a person at 14/15 know what they want to be when they grow up? Even at 18?
The majority doesn't know.
I've written something similar commenting on Brian Greene's article a week ago or so.
School never gave me that BIGNESS behind all those facts. It never gave me a meaning to those facts. To which I could make it relevant. There were no shelves where I could put all those facts. I had to carry them all out with me, in my hands and arms. No wonder things fell off.
It was just heartless trivia. The only thing that is relevant about these facts now is that they might be the answer in a test.
How many teenagers today actually go home from school and check for updates on NASA's missions to Mars? Actually thrilled by the advancements those missions can give the human race! ?
How many REALLY have gone through a "Pale Blue Dot" moment?
How many think scientifically about things? How many are skeptic's
the vast majority of schools don't create thinkers, they create memorizers of thinkers' achievements.
And yet I was, and AM, one of those who quickens up his pace when he remembers taht he hasn't checked Nature's or NASA's official website, and I wasn't the brightest according to tests. The only thing I was good at was English, and that to me, is a foreign language.
Kids with a passion really don't care if things are hard to grasp. Interest just jumps over difficulty. Difficulty makes them smile and provocates them. If kids were taught the principles of scientific thinking, they would deal with knowledge in such a different way!
It's a shame that our systems for educating people has been hijacked by an innocent need to take hold of the large numbers of new minds pouring in every year, and thus, in the confusion non-stop flow of minds, forget the reason why aqcuiring new Knowledge is interesting in the first place.
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