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Saturday, July 5, 2008 | Reason : In the News | print version Print | Comments

Document Tablet Ignites Debate on Messiah and Resurrection

by New York Times

Thanks to Wesley Scott for the link.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/06/world/middleeast/06stone.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Tablet Ignites Debate on Messiah and Resurrection
By ETHAN BRONNER

image descriptionJERUSALEM — A three-foot-tall tablet with 87 lines of Hebrew that scholars believe dates from the decades just before the birth of Jesus is causing a quiet stir in biblical and archaeological circles, especially because it may speak of a messiah who will rise from the dead after three days.

If such a messianic description really is there, it will contribute to a developing re-evaluation of both popular and scholarly views of Jesus, since it suggests that the story of his death and resurrection was not unique but part of a recognized Jewish tradition at the time.

The tablet, probably found near the Dead Sea in Jordan according to some scholars who have studied it, is a rare example of a stone with ink writings from that era — in essence, a Dead Sea Scroll on stone.

It is written, not engraved, across two neat columns, similar to columns in a Torah. But the stone is broken, and some of the text is faded, meaning that much of what it says is open to debate.

Still, its authenticity has so far faced no challenge, so its role in helping to understand the roots of Christianity in the devastating political crisis faced by the Jews of the time seems likely to increase.

Daniel Boyarin, a professor of Talmudic culture at the University of California at Berkeley, said that the stone was part of a growing body of evidence suggesting that Jesus could be best understood through a close reading of the Jewish history of his day.

"Some Christians will find it shocking — a challenge to the uniqueness of their theology — while others will be comforted by the idea of it being a traditional part of Judaism," Mr. Boyarin said.

Given the highly charged atmosphere surrounding all Jesus-era artifacts and writings, both in the general public and in the fractured and fiercely competitive scholarly community, as well as the concern over forgery and charlatanism, it will probably be some time before the tablet's contribution is fully assessed. It has been around 60 years since the Dead Sea Scrolls were uncovered, and they continue to generate enormous controversy regarding their authors and meaning.

The scrolls, documents found in the Qumran caves of the West Bank, contain some of the only known surviving copies of biblical writings from before the first century A.D. In addition to quoting from key books of the Bible, the scrolls describe a variety of practices and beliefs of a Jewish sect at the time of Jesus.

How representative the descriptions are and what they tell us about the era are still strongly debated. For example, a question that arises is whether the authors of the scrolls were members of a monastic sect or in fact mainstream. A conference marking 60 years since the discovery of the scrolls will begin on Sunday at the Israel Museum in Jerusalem, where the stone, and the debate over whether it speaks of a resurrected messiah, as one iconoclastic scholar believes, also will be discussed.

Oddly, the stone is not really a new discovery. It was found about a decade ago and bought from a Jordanian antiquities dealer by an Israeli-Swiss collector who kept it in his Zurich home. When an Israeli scholar examined it closely a few years ago and wrote a paper on it last year, interest began to rise. There is now a spate of scholarly articles on the stone, with several due to be published in the coming months.

"I couldn't make much out of it when I got it," said David Jeselsohn, the owner, who is himself an expert in antiquities. "I didn't realize how significant it was until I showed it to Ada Yardeni, who specializes in Hebrew writing, a few years ago. She was overwhelmed. 'You have got a Dead Sea Scroll on stone,' she told me."

Much of the text, a vision of the apocalypse transmitted by the angel Gabriel, draws on the Old Testament, especially the prophets Daniel, Zechariah and Haggai.

Ms. Yardeni, who analyzed the stone along with Binyamin Elitzur, is an expert on Hebrew script, especially of the era of King Herod, who died in 4 B.C. The two of them published a long analysis of the stone more than a year ago in Cathedra, a Hebrew-language quarterly devoted to the history and archaeology of Israel, and said that, based on the shape of the script and the language, the text dated from the late first century B.C.

A chemical examination by Yuval Goren, a professor of archaeology at Tel Aviv University who specializes in the verification of ancient artifacts, has been submitted to a peer-review journal. He declined to give details of his analysis until publication, but he said that he knew of no reason to doubt the stone's authenticity.

It was in Cathedra that Israel Knohl, an iconoclastic professor of Bible studies at Hebrew University in Jerusalem, first heard of the stone, which Ms. Yardeni and Mr. Elitzur dubbed "Gabriel's Revelation," also the title of their article. Mr. Knohl posited in a book published in 2000 the idea of a suffering messiah before Jesus, using a variety of rabbinic and early apocalyptic literature as well as the Dead Sea Scrolls. But his theory did not shake the world of Christology as he had hoped, partly because he had no textual evidence from before Jesus.

When he read "Gabriel's Revelation," he said, he believed he saw what he needed to solidify his thesis, and he has published his argument in the latest issue of The Journal of Religion.

Mr. Knohl is part of a larger scholarly movement that focuses on the political atmosphere in Jesus' day as an important explanation of that era's messianic spirit. As he notes, after the death of Herod, Jewish rebels sought to throw off the yoke of the Rome-supported monarchy, so the rise of a major Jewish independence fighter could take on messianic overtones.

In Mr. Knohl's interpretation, the specific messianic figure embodied on the stone could be a man named Simon who was slain by a commander in the Herodian army, according to the first-century historian Josephus. The writers of the stone's passages were probably Simon's followers, Mr. Knohl contends.

The slaying of Simon, or any case of the suffering messiah, is seen as a necessary step toward national salvation, he says, pointing to lines 19 through 21 of the tablet — "In three days you will know that evil will be defeated by justice" — and other lines that speak of blood and slaughter as pathways to justice.

To make his case about the importance of the stone, Mr. Knohl focuses especially on line 80, which begins clearly with the words "L'shloshet yamin," meaning "in three days." The next word of the line was deemed partially illegible by Ms. Yardeni and Mr. Elitzur, but Mr. Knohl, who is an expert on the language of the Bible and Talmud, says the word is "hayeh," or "live" in the imperative. It has an unusual spelling, but it is one in keeping with the era.

Two more hard-to-read words come later, and Mr. Knohl said he believed that he had deciphered them as well, so that the line reads, "In three days you shall live, I, Gabriel, command you."

To whom is the archangel speaking? The next line says "Sar hasarin," or prince of princes. Since the Book of Daniel, one of the primary sources for the Gabriel text, speaks of Gabriel and of "a prince of princes," Mr. Knohl contends that the stone's writings are about the death of a leader of the Jews who will be resurrected in three days.

He says further that such a suffering messiah is very different from the traditional Jewish image of the messiah as a triumphal, powerful descendant of King David.

"This should shake our basic view of Christianity," he said as he sat in his office of the Shalom Hartman Institute in Jerusalem where he is a senior fellow in addition to being the Yehezkel Kaufman Professor of Biblical Studies at Hebrew University. "Resurrection after three days becomes a motif developed before Jesus, which runs contrary to nearly all scholarship. What happens in the New Testament was adopted by Jesus and his followers based on an earlier messiah story."

Ms. Yardeni said she was impressed with the reading and considered it indeed likely that the key illegible word was "hayeh," or "live." Whether that means Simon is the messiah under discussion, she is less sure.

Moshe Bar-Asher, president of the Israeli Academy of Hebrew Language and emeritus professor of Hebrew and Aramaic at the Hebrew University, said he spent a long time studying the text and considered it authentic, dating from no later than the first century B.C. His 25-page paper on the stone will be published in the coming months.

Regarding Mr. Knohl's thesis, Mr. Bar-Asher is also respectful but cautious. "There is one problem," he said. "In crucial places of the text there is lack of text. I understand Knohl's tendency to find there keys to the pre-Christian period, but in two to three crucial lines of text there are a lot of missing words."

Moshe Idel, a professor of Jewish thought at Hebrew University, said that given the way every tiny fragment from that era yielded scores of articles and books, "Gabriel's Revelation" and Mr. Knohl's analysis deserved serious attention. "Here we have a real stone with a real text," he said. "This is truly significant."

Mr. Knohl said that it was less important whether Simon was the messiah of the stone than the fact that it strongly suggested that a savior who died and rose after three days was an established concept at the time of Jesus. He notes that in the Gospels, Jesus makes numerous predictions of his suffering and New Testament scholars say such predictions must have been written in by later followers because there was no such idea present in his day.

But there was, he said, and "Gabriel's Revelation" shows it.

"His mission is that he has to be put to death by the Romans to suffer so his blood will be the sign for redemption to come," Mr. Knohl said. "This is the sign of the son of Joseph. This is the conscious view of Jesus himself. This gives the Last Supper an absolutely different meaning. To shed blood is not for the sins of people but to bring redemption to Israel."

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1. Comment #204751 by Nova on July 5, 2008 at 5:05 pm

The tablet find is new but the news isn't. We've known Christianity is mostly plagiarized for ages.

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2. Comment #204757 by mordacious1 on July 5, 2008 at 5:30 pm

What, they couldn't spring for some quality chiseling?

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3. Comment #204758 by Chris_The_Positivist on July 5, 2008 at 5:33 pm

Exactly, like the ideas of the virgin birth, the resurrection, the son of a god being the savior and dying for our sins etc aren't original.

One just has to look at the hundreds of different gods before the Judea-Christian god was invented and just how many of them made the same claims. Mithras is a good one. This just highlights the evolution of religion. From small beginnings and multiple replications we arrive at the more complex monster we see today.

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4. Comment #204760 by Laurie Fraser on July 5, 2008 at 5:43 pm

 avatarJohn Shelby Spong has written extensively on the subject of the "prophesies", especially in "Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism". A very fine and informative read, if anyone's interested, and backs up the thrust of this article.

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5. Comment #204770 by SimplyIrresponsible on July 5, 2008 at 6:05 pm

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"Some Christians will find it shocking "a challenge to the uniqueness of their theology" while others will be comforted by the idea of it being a traditional part of Judaism," Mr. Boyarin said.


Excuse my obtuseness ... but exactly "what" about Christianity is unique? As far as I have been able to ascertain Christianity is nothing more than an agglomeration of Semitic beliefs and traditions with a dash of Greek and Roman rituals.

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6. Comment #204773 by alovrin on July 5, 2008 at 6:10 pm

 avatarAnd the evidence just keeps piling up...

that there was/is/ or ever has been any divine, courier-like, progeny.

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7. Comment #204778 by Mitchell Gilks on July 5, 2008 at 6:22 pm

 avatarVery very interesting indeed. I'm looking forward to reading more about this.

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8. Comment #204782 by Vinelectric on July 5, 2008 at 6:27 pm

 avatarSo it turns out this is the year 2108, not 2008. How interesting.

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9. Comment #204784 by cam9976 on July 5, 2008 at 6:31 pm

 avatarI truly envy those who have the balls required to spend a lifetime studying fairytales.

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10. Comment #204786 by thewhitepearl on July 5, 2008 at 6:35 pm

 avatarI find the tone of the article annoying. It presents these ideas as if they are new. A brief study of religions and their history would show that the story of jesus and the foundation of christianity is not as unique as people would like to believe.

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11. Comment #204789 by Border Collie on July 5, 2008 at 6:41 pm

Wonder why they're treating this like it's something new. There's nothing new about world redeemer mythology. It was going on a long, long time before Mr. Jesus.

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12. Comment #204794 by Dhamma on July 5, 2008 at 6:47 pm

 avatarSo... Will they reinforce their belief after seeing this or what?

Fortunately archaeology is generally on our side when it comes to discoveries :)

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13. Comment #204796 by thewhitepearl on July 5, 2008 at 6:58 pm

 avatarDhamma,

I think the door could swing either way on the reinforcement issue. Religious individuals have this amazing ablity to twist things into their own personal belief system.

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14. Comment #204798 by Drool on July 5, 2008 at 7:06 pm

 avatarJe.. I mean, Simon H. Christ!

Well at least they won't have to change the name of their religion...

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15. Comment #204799 by alovrin on July 5, 2008 at 7:08 pm

 avatarwhitepearl
It presents these ideas as if they are new.


Methinks thats called journalistic licence or summint.
I see you are a DJ any preference for types of music you like to play?

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16. Comment #204801 by thewhitepearl on July 5, 2008 at 7:12 pm

 avatarAlovrin,

I'm not a DJ. I just run in the same circle. Every once in awhile I have the opportunity to get up and mix. (Usually after many vodka tonics/cranberry) But to answer- House, breakbeats, electronica.

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17. Comment #204802 by Laurie Fraser on July 5, 2008 at 7:16 pm

 avatarthewhitepearl said:
Religious individuals have this amazing ablity to twist things into their own personal belief system.


Agreed. Psycho-jeezoids will run around holding a simplified version of this story up saying "We told you so! A prophesy! A prophesy!"

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18. Comment #204803 by alovrin on July 5, 2008 at 7:28 pm

 avatarThanks whitepearl
House is so durable its amazing, been going now for 20plus yrs.
Maybe I'll be lucky enough to catch a set one day.
If you"re a vodka drinker you should try a Swedish Cocaine before a set.

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19. Comment #204805 by thewhitepearl on July 5, 2008 at 7:35 pm

 avatarKinda hard to believe that house stems from disco.Swedish Cocaine? That sounds dangerous...I'm going to remember that. It'll be the first thing I order next time.

Ahh wish you could catch a set one day but in the future I plan to be drowning in the science profession. I can get away with the partying now because I'm a student..

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20. Comment #204806 by Laurie Fraser on July 5, 2008 at 7:38 pm

 avatarForgive my ignorance, whitepearl - what is "House", specifically? (I've never been to one of those places where it is played - apparently people take lots of a drug called Ecstasy and jump around a lot.)

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21. Comment #204809 by thewhitepearl on July 5, 2008 at 7:59 pm

 avatarlaurie,
house music is just another genre of electronic dance music. it's a branch off of disco..started in chicago and detroit and mostly in underground club scenes. I used to describe the sound as being parallel to sex. If music were to get together and have dirty nasty hot and heavy copulation- it would be house..

apparently people take lots of a drug called Ecstasy and jump around a lot.)


wow. I just don't know what to say about that other than it aroused a chuckle out of me. I'm pretty sure the X-Popping and jumping around isn't just limited to the genre of house.

Although if you take into consideration the above commentary about house music....

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22. Comment #204812 by Laurie Fraser on July 5, 2008 at 8:15 pm

 avatarOK, that clears that up. I prefer jazz, which Theodore Adorno once descriped as a "primitive and repetitive rhythmic device mainly concerned with copulation." Good, eh?

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23. Comment #204814 by RedPen on July 5, 2008 at 8:18 pm

This is clearly evidence for the repeated use of a literary device/style. However, I don't see how Christians aren't going to simply interpret this as a prediction of their messiah. This gets us nowhere definitive.

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24. Comment #204817 by thewhitepearl on July 5, 2008 at 8:26 pm

 avatarMy music list preference is long and diverse. Although jazz really isn't on it. I can appreciate the quote.

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25. Comment #204819 by Laurie Fraser on July 5, 2008 at 8:30 pm

 avatarYep - all genres are good when they're good, even country. :)

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26. Comment #204821 by gyokusai on July 5, 2008 at 8:45 pm

 avatarWhat I find rather curious is why this text, since it's not just containing quotations from the Bible, is in Hebrew rather than Aramaic. It's even curiouser that the article doesn't mention this curious fact.

Then, we do know about Bar-Kochba and others, and there's a lot of evidence that these people believed to be a messiah. But in the traditional way, as a worldly messiah who would bring peace, to Israel, and preferrably to the world, in a messianic age: but as a worldly affair, no transcendence, sacrifice, or heavenly kingdoms involved. Bar-Kochba's name was Simon, though, which is quite fitting---and this is another thing that glares at you but isn't mentioned in the article as well. I wonder.

[Took my "EDIT" remark back concerning the rumors surrounding Bar-Kochba's death; I couldn't find the source I had in mind. Might have been in another language than English.]

^_^J.

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27. Comment #204822 by Roland_F on July 5, 2008 at 8:45 pm

The story of crucification and resurrection after 3 days is 4000 years old and known since Horus and Osiris in Egypt, the tablets are found a decade ago, so what's new ?

All non-Christians will get another piece of evidence that the Jesus resurrection myth is just plagiarized from several other ancient religious myth, the Apologetic Theists will see it just as another proof of the prophecy fulfilled by Jesus to strengthen their delusion.

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28. Comment #204826 by Roland_F on July 5, 2008 at 9:35 pm

26. Comment #204821 by gyokusai

Bar-Kochba's name was Simon, though, which is quite fitting---and again I wonder why this isn't mentioned too, it just glares at you!

Bar Kochba was nearly 2 centuries later than the stone plates are possibly dated, maybe that's why a connection is not made.

Some of the dead sea scrolls (dated to be 1st century BC) contain also several times a messiah which resembles remarkably the Christian Jesus story. (see Herbert Braun: "Qumran und das neue Testament")

And there was Jeshu ha Notzri a messiah and preacher running around in Judah with some disciples and he was killed on the day before Passover 88BC and hanged with outstretched arms from a tree.

And of course Horus was crucified in-between 2 thugs and resurrected after 3 days as were several other ancient demi-gods and gods of course usually born from a virgin.

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29. Comment #204836 by robotaholic on July 5, 2008 at 10:07 pm

 avatarevery fucking BOWL or POT discovered just SHAKES christianity or judaism or islam - pff- I'm sick of it all -

-if we found a McDonald's spoon in the k2 boundary- now THAT would shake things up

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30. Comment #204841 by sarah95 on July 5, 2008 at 10:52 pm

 avatar
Mr. Knohl is part of a larger scholarly movement that focuses on the political atmosphere in Jesus' day as an important explanation of that era's messianic spirit. As he notes, after the death of Herod, Jewish rebels sought to throw off the yoke of the Rome-supported monarchy, so the rise of a major Jewish independence fighter could take on messianic overtones.

So would those Jewish rebels be members of the Judean People's Front, or the People's Front of Judea....;)
We may never know.

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31. Comment #204843 by moderndaythomas on July 5, 2008 at 11:11 pm

 avatarLaurie Fraser:
Yep - all genres are good when they're good, even country


My grandfather taught me how to hold the brushes when I was but a wee sod. I'd do my best Max Roach.
Give me a smoky bar (not to smoky these days)my sweet little four piece and a fresh glass of Johnny with ice down by my hats to my left and you'd swear you were watching Clyde Stubblefield...But white.

What's this thread about?

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32. Comment #204847 by 8teist on July 5, 2008 at 11:25 pm

 avatarI found a book in my library that says all religion is shit ....that trumps your poxy rock with all the important stuff,like proof, missing ...

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33. Comment #204849 by henning on July 5, 2008 at 11:27 pm

Wether or not ideas like this are new or not, it's always amusing to find more evidence that suggests that christianity is not very original. And it's important to stress it with news items like this one, since not everyone is even aware of the fact that christianity seems to based on earlier ideas and myths.

Nevertheless, thewhitepearl wrote: "My music list preference is long and diverse."

Does metal have a place on this list at all?

Cheers to all from a rainy Norway.

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34. Comment #204857 by HitbLade on July 6, 2008 at 1:02 am

Ok, calm down people, calm down!
Let's wait and see what the pope tells us to believe about this. He always does, good ol pope! :D

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35. Comment #204862 by henning on July 6, 2008 at 1:22 am

"So would those Jewish rebels be members of the Judean People's Front, or the People's Front of Judea....;)"

Ha ha... Funny remark. "If you really wanted to join the P.F.J., you'd have to REALLY hate the Romans." :)

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36. Comment #204866 by Laurie Fraser on July 6, 2008 at 1:37 am

 avatarmoderndaythomas - agreed. I've got a little gig in that very ambience tomorrow night with a cool quartet, two of whom I haven't played with before. Can't wait, and will have a Jack for you.:)

henning - sorry, mate, metal doesn't qualify as music ;)

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37. Comment #204868 by AdrianB on July 6, 2008 at 1:54 am

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12. Comment #204794 by Dhamma on July 5, 2008 at 6:47 pm

So... Will they reinforce their belief after seeing this or what?

Fortunately archaeology is generally on our side when it comes to discoveries :)


Strange but true, but evidence always seems to map in accordance with our beliefs.

Err, wait a min, it's the other way round innit. We map our beliefs in accordance with the evidence. That's more like it.

:)

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38. Comment #204870 by henning on July 6, 2008 at 2:01 am

"henning - sorry, mate, metal doesn't qualify as music ;)"

More so than country, anyway. But this is subjective, and difficult to come to an agreement on, I guess. It might be a generation thing also, but I'm not really sure. Not that I think listening to, say, Dream Theater, would make you fall in love with metal, but if you did, and still claimed it wasn't music, than I would say your definition of music is severly limited. Anywho, that's my opinion.

Cheers.

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39. Comment #204876 by ThoughtsonCommonToad on July 6, 2008 at 3:35 am

A three-foot-tall tablet with 87 lines of Hebrew that scholars believe dates from the decades just before the birth of Jesus is causing a quiet stir in biblical and archaeological circles, especially because it may speak of a messiah who will rise from the dead after three days.


alleged birth of Jesus.

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40. Comment #204878 by Laurie Fraser on July 6, 2008 at 3:44 am

 avatarhenning - I was having an old muso's joke. As I said - doesn't matter what genre, when it's good, it's good.

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41. Comment #204882 by Karlsson on July 6, 2008 at 4:22 am

The devil put it there!

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42. Comment #204887 by D'Arcy on July 6, 2008 at 4:51 am

 avatarMy favourite piece of music is the Mass in B Minor by J. S. Bach.

Yeah, ok, religious music, but music written and played by real live human beings. In fact the same sort of two legged creatures that made this mysterious stone, which appears to tell us nothing new.

What could possibly be new or modern about religion? It's a social hangover from the days of ignorance.

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43. Comment #204889 by Opisthokont on July 6, 2008 at 4:57 am

My first reaction to this (which I see others have had as well) was that the Christians would see this as more prophecy in favour of their central myth. It would be nice if they would read further, but then, they could read further already into the current literature anent the prevailing and preceding myths of the turn of the first millennium CE and get the same message. Ultimately, those who care for the truth will understand more of it, and those who prefer validation of their myths will get that instead. Depressing, really, given how many of the latter there are.

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44. Comment #204891 by Apathy personified on July 6, 2008 at 5:05 am

 avatarWhat a surprise - christianity is a plagiarism - didn't see that coming.
On the subject of music - why has no one mentioned queen? Greatest band ever. Partial credit goes to parts of the cash and dylan back catalogs and bowie.

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45. Comment #204892 by Alan Canon on July 6, 2008 at 5:18 am

 avatarLaurie Fraser wrote: 'John Shelby Spong has written extensively on the subject of the "prophesies", especially in "Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism". A very fine and informative read, if anyone's interested, and backs up the thrust of this article.'

I'll second that. Spong even gets kudos (and a bibliographical citation) from Dawkins in The God Delusion. It goes both ways: Spong speaks glowingly of the God Delusion and its contemporary volumes.

I've met Spong, and heard him speak, and have read many of his excellent books. He is about as much of an atheist as you could be and still be nominally Christian. Far more an "Einsteinian" sort of religious person.

Spong helped to create a theological discussion framework that is good at deprogramming fundamentalism in true believers. He very much is an advocate of critical thinking and rationally based beliefs. It would be easy to see how a recovering fundamentalist, set upon the path by Spong's writings, would then just go "all the way" to full blown atheism, once the lid of critical thinking is cracked.

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46. Comment #204894 by alexmzk on July 6, 2008 at 5:34 am

Much of the text, a vision of the apocalypse transmitted by the angel Gabriel, draws on the Old Testament, especially the prophets Daniel, Zechariah and Haggai.


WTF?

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47. Comment #204898 by catskill on July 6, 2008 at 5:52 am

 avatarDon't the science types have some sort of way to reveal faded text? Like photographing it in obscure wavelengths or something? If the ink is still good enough to read after a few thousand years the faded parts must have left some sort of trace in the stone that can be viewed?

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48. Comment #204907 by Akheloios on July 6, 2008 at 6:36 am

There are now so many nails in the coffin of christianity, that it really should sink under the weight, but it appears that like the Merrimack, it sails blithely on.

Evidence against a religion, rather than extirpating it, just causes mutation and you get bastardised varieties with added vigor.

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49. Comment #204912 by Laurie Fraser on July 6, 2008 at 7:07 am

 avatarD'Arcy - second that. The "Mass" is sublime. I'll go further: no-one has bettered Bach.

Apathy Personified - I'm sure you're talking about the Clash . Queen? Sorry, don't hold a candle to Beatles, Steely Dan, Stones, and especially the impossibly great Bela Fleck and the Flecktones. And need I mention Zappa?

Alan - thanks. Spong is a conundrum for me. Brilliant and savvy, why won't he go the whole hog?

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50. Comment #204919 by jdbartlett on July 6, 2008 at 7:27 am

 avatarRoland_F:

Horus was crucified in-between 2 thugs and resurrected after 3 days as were several other ancient demi-gods and gods of course usually born from a virgin.


I've seen this and other Horus-Jesus connections written elsewhere, but never with any reference to Egyptian source documents, or even to historians who may have read or translated those documents. Have you seen these claims repeated in any reliable source?

That aside, this presents only a minor problem for Christians, who feel that Jesus' death and resurrection were all prophesied in the Old Testament. It appears 3 days is the only detail this tablet adds. It will probably be accepted as evidence that other non-extant Bible books were written under inspiration, if the tablet itself is not accepted as divine in origin.

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