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JERUSALEM — A three-foot-tall tablet with 87 lines of Hebrew that scholars believe dates from the decades just before the birth of Jesus is causing a quiet stir in biblical and archaeological circles, especially because it may speak of a messiah who will rise from the dead after three days.
2. Comment #204757 by mordacious1 on July 5, 2008 at 5:30 pm
What, they couldn't spring for some quality chiseling?3. Comment #204758 by Chris_The_Positivist on July 5, 2008 at 5:33 pm
Exactly, like the ideas of the virgin birth, the resurrection, the son of a god being the savior and dying for our sins etc aren't original.4. Comment #204760 by Laurie Fraser on July 5, 2008 at 5:43 pm
5. Comment #204770 by SimplyIrresponsible on July 5, 2008 at 6:05 pm
"Some Christians will find it shocking "a challenge to the uniqueness of their theology" while others will be comforted by the idea of it being a traditional part of Judaism," Mr. Boyarin said.
6. Comment #204773 by alovrin on July 5, 2008 at 6:10 pm
7. Comment #204778 by Mitchell Gilks on July 5, 2008 at 6:22 pm
8. Comment #204782 by Vinelectric on July 5, 2008 at 6:27 pm
9. Comment #204784 by cam9976 on July 5, 2008 at 6:31 pm
10. Comment #204786 by thewhitepearl on July 5, 2008 at 6:35 pm
11. Comment #204789 by Border Collie on July 5, 2008 at 6:41 pm
Wonder why they're treating this like it's something new. There's nothing new about world redeemer mythology. It was going on a long, long time before Mr. Jesus.12. Comment #204794 by Dhamma on July 5, 2008 at 6:47 pm
13. Comment #204796 by thewhitepearl on July 5, 2008 at 6:58 pm
14. Comment #204798 by Drool on July 5, 2008 at 7:06 pm
15. Comment #204799 by alovrin on July 5, 2008 at 7:08 pm
It presents these ideas as if they are new.
16. Comment #204801 by thewhitepearl on July 5, 2008 at 7:12 pm
17. Comment #204802 by Laurie Fraser on July 5, 2008 at 7:16 pm
Religious individuals have this amazing ablity to twist things into their own personal belief system.
18. Comment #204803 by alovrin on July 5, 2008 at 7:28 pm
19. Comment #204805 by thewhitepearl on July 5, 2008 at 7:35 pm
20. Comment #204806 by Laurie Fraser on July 5, 2008 at 7:38 pm
21. Comment #204809 by thewhitepearl on July 5, 2008 at 7:59 pm
apparently people take lots of a drug called Ecstasy and jump around a lot.)
22. Comment #204812 by Laurie Fraser on July 5, 2008 at 8:15 pm
23. Comment #204814 by RedPen on July 5, 2008 at 8:18 pm
This is clearly evidence for the repeated use of a literary device/style. However, I don't see how Christians aren't going to simply interpret this as a prediction of their messiah. This gets us nowhere definitive.24. Comment #204817 by thewhitepearl on July 5, 2008 at 8:26 pm
25. Comment #204819 by Laurie Fraser on July 5, 2008 at 8:30 pm
26. Comment #204821 by gyokusai on July 5, 2008 at 8:45 pm
27. Comment #204822 by Roland_F on July 5, 2008 at 8:45 pm
The story of crucification and resurrection after 3 days is 4000 years old and known since Horus and Osiris in Egypt, the tablets are found a decade ago, so what's new ?28. Comment #204826 by Roland_F on July 5, 2008 at 9:35 pm
26. Comment #204821 by gyokusaiBar-Kochba's name was Simon, though, which is quite fitting---and again I wonder why this isn't mentioned too, it just glares at you!
29. Comment #204836 by robotaholic on July 5, 2008 at 10:07 pm
30. Comment #204841 by sarah95 on July 5, 2008 at 10:52 pm
Mr. Knohl is part of a larger scholarly movement that focuses on the political atmosphere in Jesus' day as an important explanation of that era's messianic spirit. As he notes, after the death of Herod, Jewish rebels sought to throw off the yoke of the Rome-supported monarchy, so the rise of a major Jewish independence fighter could take on messianic overtones.
31. Comment #204843 by moderndaythomas on July 5, 2008 at 11:11 pm
Yep - all genres are good when they're good, even country
32. Comment #204847 by 8teist on July 5, 2008 at 11:25 pm
33. Comment #204849 by henning on July 5, 2008 at 11:27 pm
Wether or not ideas like this are new or not, it's always amusing to find more evidence that suggests that christianity is not very original. And it's important to stress it with news items like this one, since not everyone is even aware of the fact that christianity seems to based on earlier ideas and myths.34. Comment #204857 by HitbLade on July 6, 2008 at 1:02 am
Ok, calm down people, calm down!35. Comment #204862 by henning on July 6, 2008 at 1:22 am
"So would those Jewish rebels be members of the Judean People's Front, or the People's Front of Judea....;)"36. Comment #204866 by Laurie Fraser on July 6, 2008 at 1:37 am
37. Comment #204868 by AdrianB on July 6, 2008 at 1:54 am
12. Comment #204794 by Dhamma on July 5, 2008 at 6:47 pm
So... Will they reinforce their belief after seeing this or what?
Fortunately archaeology is generally on our side when it comes to discoveries :)
38. Comment #204870 by henning on July 6, 2008 at 2:01 am
"henning - sorry, mate, metal doesn't qualify as music ;)"39. Comment #204876 by ThoughtsonCommonToad on July 6, 2008 at 3:35 am
A three-foot-tall tablet with 87 lines of Hebrew that scholars believe dates from the decades just before the birth of Jesus is causing a quiet stir in biblical and archaeological circles, especially because it may speak of a messiah who will rise from the dead after three days.
40. Comment #204878 by Laurie Fraser on July 6, 2008 at 3:44 am
41. Comment #204882 by Karlsson on July 6, 2008 at 4:22 am
The devil put it there!42. Comment #204887 by D'Arcy on July 6, 2008 at 4:51 am
43. Comment #204889 by Opisthokont on July 6, 2008 at 4:57 am
My first reaction to this (which I see others have had as well) was that the Christians would see this as more prophecy in favour of their central myth. It would be nice if they would read further, but then, they could read further already into the current literature anent the prevailing and preceding myths of the turn of the first millennium CE and get the same message. Ultimately, those who care for the truth will understand more of it, and those who prefer validation of their myths will get that instead. Depressing, really, given how many of the latter there are.44. Comment #204891 by Apathy personified on July 6, 2008 at 5:05 am
45. Comment #204892 by Alan Canon on July 6, 2008 at 5:18 am
46. Comment #204894 by alexmzk on July 6, 2008 at 5:34 am
Much of the text, a vision of the apocalypse transmitted by the angel Gabriel, draws on the Old Testament, especially the prophets Daniel, Zechariah and Haggai.
47. Comment #204898 by catskill on July 6, 2008 at 5:52 am
48. Comment #204907 by Akheloios on July 6, 2008 at 6:36 am
There are now so many nails in the coffin of christianity, that it really should sink under the weight, but it appears that like the Merrimack, it sails blithely on.49. Comment #204912 by Laurie Fraser on July 6, 2008 at 7:07 am
50. Comment #204919 by jdbartlett on July 6, 2008 at 7:27 am
Horus was crucified in-between 2 thugs and resurrected after 3 days as were several other ancient demi-gods and gods of course usually born from a virgin.
1. Comment #204751 by Nova on July 5, 2008 at 5:05 pm
The tablet find is new but the news isn't. We've known Christianity is mostly plagiarized for ages.Other Comments by Nova