1. Comment #252589 by Elli on September 23, 2008 at 11:38 am

What a diseased mind.
Fucktard/Dickrash/Cuntwad... take your pick.

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2. Comment #252590 by beanson on September 23, 2008 at 11:39 am

Crazy name- crazy guy







Y' know, he looks a little like Ezra Pound

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3. Comment #252591 by Elles on September 23, 2008 at 11:40 am

"A believer who prays regularly does not plant bombs. The only people who do that are those who are pretending to be Muslims or who are Darwinists clearly saying that they are terrorists or Communists."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Richard Dawkins, you commie!

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4. Comment #252593 by InfuriatedSciTeacher on September 23, 2008 at 11:43 am

There are over 100 million fossils that prove creationism. And these fossils have never changed. A fish has remained a fish, a shrimp has remained a shrimp. You can find these fossils all over the world. We've put them on display in Turkey too, and people have seen them with their own eyes. That is clear proof. Unlike creationism, Darwinism has no proof of evolution theory. Its adherents haven't found any fossil evidence they could use.

I wonder how many of his fossils are made of plastic, or have barbed hooks in them.

As for the last statement, I'm not sure I could stop laughing long enough to address it. This man REALLY wants to debate RD? My high school students would shred him... (well, some of them would, the others might clap for him).

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5. Comment #252594 by Faith Minus on September 23, 2008 at 11:43 am

Wow! I never knew all these neat facts about the evil darwinists! Now that I think about it, I'm sure I remember Bin Laden quoting the "Origin of Species" in his many videos.

Sweet jesus the stupid burns.

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6. Comment #252596 by Quetzalcoatl on September 23, 2008 at 11:45 am

And if we look at the present day, we see that all terrorists; even those who consider themselves to be Muslims; are actually Darwinists and atheists. A believer who prays regularly does not plant bombs. The only people who do that are those who are pretending to be Muslims; or who are Darwinists clearly saying that they are terrorists or Communists. So it follows that they are all Darwinists

And this fucktard wonders why people laugh at him.

Such acts are perpetrated by people who have studied abroad and have had a Darwinist education, people who have internalised Darwin and later call themselves Muslims.

That's right, a lot of Palestinian suicide bombers are educated overseas. Not.

This guy is an absolute clown.

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7. Comment #252597 by Isherwood on September 23, 2008 at 11:46 am

Yeah, he certainly doesn't get the lack of motive a "Darwinist" (gods, I hate that word) would have.

"...my sales figures are many times higher. They have doubled."

*snort!* Nothing like a little characteristic exaggeration to build a case.

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8. Comment #252599 by Caudimordax on September 23, 2008 at 11:52 am

Please, please NOT AGAIN!!!!!

Don't any of these people EVER have any new arguments?

Edit: I correct myself - saying Bin Laden is a "Darwinist" is definitely new if nothing else.

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9. Comment #252601 by Caudimordax on September 23, 2008 at 11:57 am

"my sales figures are many times higher. They have doubled."

There you go - to this guy, "two" is "many"

Edit: (2 plus 2 = 5 for very large values of 2)

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10. Comment #252602 by room101 on September 23, 2008 at 11:58 am

I really hate it when major publications take their interviewee's word regarding claims like "There are over 100 million fossils that prove creationism", and "Darwinism has no proof of evolution theory", etc. without grilling them further and providing support against these claims, which just gives this idiocy apparent justification.

I want interviewers to "grow a pair" and start calling out these idiot's bullshit.

Oh, and regarding his lawsuit, I love his line: "There is no evidence against me that I consider acceptable".

I have to remember that one next time I find myself in court...

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11. Comment #252603 by Paula Kirby on September 23, 2008 at 11:58 am

Caudimordax: Please, please NOT AGAIN!!!!!

Don't any of these people EVER have any new arguments?

What? I thought the argument that all terrorists were Darwinists was quite innovative. Stark, staring, raving, bonkers mad, of course, but INNOVATIVE, at least! I thought he'd been rather successful at plumbing new depths of what passes for the creationist intellect.

EDIT - I see you've edited your comment, Caudimordax, so my response to it is redundant now. I'll leave it in though - just for fun :-)

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12. Comment #252604 by larhule on September 23, 2008 at 11:59 am

"Darwinism was the foundation of Hitler's and Mussolini's Fascism and Stalin's Communism."

***WRONG***

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13. Comment #252605 by Caudimordax on September 23, 2008 at 12:00 pm

Pauline - yeah, I did have to correct myself on that one!

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14. Comment #252608 by Caudimordax on September 23, 2008 at 12:06 pm

So I guess the publisher is making a fantastic profit because even though they lose money on each free book, they make it up in volume?

Can't wait to see his upcoming algebra textbook!

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15. Comment #252609 by alabasterocean on September 23, 2008 at 12:08 pm

I think this sums up Mr Oktar's problem with evidence, logic and arguments:
"There is no evidence against me that I consider acceptable" (concerning the legal case against him)
Evidence follow from methods, the judicial courtroom method in Turkey or the scientific method. They sum up what is valuable as evidence or not. Mr Oktar says that the legal system in Turkey don't fit him and his preferences on evidence and in so many words he says the same about the evidence from the scientific method. He is clearly more of a "They say that Mohammad sad that Arc angel Gabriel sad that Allah sad method", and that method is clearly deluding everything else. He might not like the evidence but I don't think it will keep him out of jail or make his tail bone any shorter.

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16. Comment #252611 by God fearing Atheist on September 23, 2008 at 12:11 pm

I'm glad he's on their team! Even a fuckwit can see he's a fuckwit.

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17. Comment #252614 by The Hogfather on September 23, 2008 at 12:16 pm

I know everybody is already saying it, but I just cannot help myself- this guy is STARK RAVING BONKERS. I think even by Creationist standards he is completely and utterly mad!!!!
I think he is actually genuinely mentally ill rather than just your typical lying scumbag fundie.
I never thought I would say this, but he actually makes Ann Coulter and Ben Stein look comparatively sane.

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18. Comment #252622 by Sciros on September 23, 2008 at 12:34 pm

Hahahahah hilarious. This guy is to creationists what that "lawyer" Jack Thompson was to the anti-video game "think of the children" crowd. Keep him around as long as possible lest his "fame" be stolen by someone less crazy.

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19. Comment #252623 by DamnDirtyApe on September 23, 2008 at 12:35 pm

Stop it you're killing me!

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20. Comment #252624 by Swordmaiden on September 23, 2008 at 12:36 pm

Well I listened to Oktar's answers and all I heard was "blah blah blah blah blah blah blah!"

When will these charlatans and con-men actually be held accountable?
When will the mentally ill actually get the help they need?

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21. Comment #252625 by Colwyn Abernathy on September 23, 2008 at 12:45 pm

Is it just me, or does that dude look like Dr. Cox from SCRUBS?

EDIT:

Ladies and Gentlemen, (and Dicanu ;)

commence the pointing and laughing.

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22. Comment #252627 by History_Junky on September 23, 2008 at 12:45 pm

I have no religion, and at times I wish all religions at the bottom of the sea. He is a weak ruler who needs religion to uphold his government; it is as if he would catch his people in a trap. My people are going to learn the principles of democracy, the dictates of truth and the teachings of science. Superstition must go. Let them worship as they will; every man can follow his own conscience, provided it does not interfere with sane reason or bid him against the liberty of his fellow-men.


I hope that good old Harun Yahya isnt accusing Mr. Ataturk of being a terrorist, isn't it a punishable offense to criticize Mustafa Ataturk?

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23. Comment #252628 by Art Vandelay on September 23, 2008 at 12:47 pm

This man is clearly certifiable, but Elli, Quetz et al, your consistently disgusting language is surely counter-productive in this supposed oasis of reason. There are a lot of people, including children, I would like to reccomend this site to, but feel these increasingly frequent sloppy, embarrassing vulgarities bring us all down and show us in a bad light. We're supposed to be the intelligent ones. Isn't there someone "up there" (not you, God) to curb such offensive talk?

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24. Comment #252631 by OhioAtheist on September 23, 2008 at 12:50 pm

A nice reminder that Muslim leaders who condemn terrorism are still eminently capable of proving themselves dogmatic, primitive, and generally empty-headed.

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25. Comment #252632 by Koreman on September 23, 2008 at 12:50 pm

Thankfully he is not going to plant bombs.

http://www.fykz.com/subtitles/display.php?id=3331

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26. Comment #252634 by SoManyStars on September 23, 2008 at 12:53 pm

Not me Guv! It was may mate that did publish that book! Honest!

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27. Comment #252635 by capacitor76 on September 23, 2008 at 12:55 pm

I never thought I would say this, but he actually makes Ann Coulter and Ben Stein look comparatively sane.

Agreed, but only because they're attention whores and money-grabbing frauds, and probably not at all convinced of what they preach. The content of their verbal secretions, though, is no less weird than Oktar's. I bet if you asked them about whether bin Laden is a 'Darwinist', they would agree first and think later.

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28. Comment #252638 by ColdFusionLazarus on September 23, 2008 at 12:58 pm

I don't know how you guys find so much time to think up all those profanities and to post on this site. I personally am busy planning my next terrorist attack. Just recording my video now.

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29. Comment #252640 by NMcC on September 23, 2008 at 12:59 pm

"Y' know, he looks a little like Ezra Pound"

No, he's about 99p short of a pound.

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30. Comment #252641 by RationallyInclined on September 23, 2008 at 1:00 pm

Haha! The ignorance is astonishing.

A believer who prays regularly does not plant bombs. The only people who do that are those who are pretending to be Muslims â€" or who are Darwinists clearly saying that they are terrorists or Communists. So it follows that they are all Darwinists.

Such a proud moment for logic.

After reading that, I may be forced to take a hiatus from non-fiction and read Atlas of Creation purely for its entertainment value.

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31. Comment #252642 by Caudimordax on September 23, 2008 at 1:01 pm

"I hope that good old Harun Yahya isnt accusing Mr. Ataturk of being a terrorist, isn't it a punishable offense to criticize Mustafa Ataturk?"

"All terrorists are Darwinists" isn't the same as "All Darvinists are terrorists." But hopefully the people who saw fit to ban the RD website won't see the difference and will give this yahoo some more jail time.

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32. Comment #252643 by flosfrnfool on September 23, 2008 at 1:02 pm

"Darwinism enjoys official protection all over the world. No other ideology, no other idea, has EVER [emphasis mine] been so shielded. Any criticism of it provokes an official reaction." --Adnan Oktar

That second sentence is pretty hilarious in light of the Spanish Inquisition and Salem witch trials. Wait, those guys were probably Darwinists too. Why else would they have persecuted non-believers?

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33. Comment #252644 by javb222 on September 23, 2008 at 1:05 pm

Oktar claims that in 2007 he sold eight million books in Turkey and two million abroad

I can believe that. I've seen several of his books in the prayer room at my university. Before I read The Selfish Gene, I used to regularly visit harunyahya.com. It's a pretty good website with lots of multimedia and talks about plenty of interesting things like biomimetics. I wish there were more well funded science websites with that kind of presentation.

EDIT:

Such acts are perpetrated by people who have studied abroad and have had a Darwinist education

Quetzalcoatl, there is a grain of truth here :

...of the 79 terrorists responsible for five of the worst anti-Western terrorist attacks in recent history - the World Trade Center bombing in 1993, the Africa embassy bombings in 1998, the September 11 attacks, the Bali nightclub bombings in 2002, and the London bombings on July 7, 2005" ... more than half of the group we assessed attended a university, making them as well educated as the average American ... we found that, of those who did attend college and/or graduate school, 48 percent attended schools in the West, and 58 percent attained scientific or technical degrees. Engineering was the most popular subject studied by the terrorists in our sample, followed by medicine.

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34. Comment #252645 by History_Junky on September 23, 2008 at 1:05 pm

re:#252642 by Caudimordax

Your absolutely correct, I was just trying to use some irrationality to show the same kind of thinking that these people employ. Of course, you wont hear me complaining if it get him some jail time.

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35. Comment #252647 by steveroot on September 23, 2008 at 1:05 pm

Very nice translation job, Paula. It reads like it was written in English.

Now, c'mon... you can admit it... you made him sound just a little crazier than he really is, didn't you? ;-)

I jest. I know you are above that sort of nonsense. Again, my compliments!
Ste5e

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36. Comment #252652 by Caudimordax on September 23, 2008 at 1:14 pm

Went out for a quick peek at harunyahya.com:

WHOA there!!! Muslim believe that JESUS will return??? Will unite xians and muslims? Can anybody say if this is a mainstream muslim belief?

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37. Comment #252653 by Quetzalcoatl on September 23, 2008 at 1:18 pm

javb222-

My issue is with the blanket generalisation, I'm not saying that no terrorists were educated overseas. It would be interesting, however, to learn how many were "Darwinists". Vanishingly few, I would imagine.

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38. Comment #252655 by javb222 on September 23, 2008 at 1:22 pm

#252653 by Quetzalcoatl

how many were "Darwinists"

None most probably. But Oktar seems to think that people educated in the West get a "Darwinist education"... I'm not saying his generalisation is right, but I think it's true that most/many of the big terrorists were educated in the West.

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39. Comment #252656 by JemyM on September 23, 2008 at 1:26 pm

Whatever agenda this guy has, one should point out that he obviously do not believe in a moral God.

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40. Comment #252658 by mitch_486 on September 23, 2008 at 1:27 pm

"None most probably"

Probably more probable than that..
Come on people, this guy has no evidence whatsoever for this. He's a lunatic baby crying foul where there is no foul (on part of the Darwinists)

He's simply kicking and screaming to satisfy his fucktard followers.

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41. Comment #252659 by SASnSA on September 23, 2008 at 1:28 pm

Is he thinking about the same terrorists I am? cause from what I've seen, most of these people strapping bombs to their bodies to bomb infidels don't even seem to have attained a grade school education let alone studied abroad and learned Darwinism (or evolution for that matter).

I think this guy is bucking for Ben Stein's job in the next movie "Expelled II: The search for more idiots"

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42. Comment #252660 by javb222 on September 23, 2008 at 1:28 pm

Comment #252658 by mitch_486

Probably more probable than that..

Okay, certainly none. Better?

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43. Comment #252662 by deserter_brian on September 23, 2008 at 1:29 pm

Well, I do admire that he condemns intelligent design for hiding and being vague. Coming out and saying "we advocate that this particular God did it" is more honest than saying "we advocate that *something* did it" and actually meaning the former.

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44. Comment #252663 by Village_Idiot on September 23, 2008 at 1:29 pm

Harun Yahya is a troubled man win no formal education. His figure, to a large degree, reflects the sate of mind of the whole Turkey.

It's going to be a worldwide celebration of the collapse of Darwinism. People are going to be amazed at how on Earth they could ever have believed in Darwinism.

Mysticism, antisemitism, and now creationism and antievolutionism, are eroding Turkey. This man is just a mirror reflection of what is happening in this dangerous, as history has shown, country. Fortunately (or not) he can be dangerous only in a country just like Turkey with no or weak scientific community that could discredit, ridicule and humiliate this XV century world view.

Did some say that Turkey should be a part of EU? Good joke.

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45. Comment #252664 by 4horsefins on September 23, 2008 at 1:30 pm

The fruits of free speech never better on display. I would love for every religious apologist I know to read this article...and every educated theist as well.

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46. Comment #252665 by Tzsak on September 23, 2008 at 1:31 pm

Hilarity abound.

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47. Comment #252667 by javb222 on September 23, 2008 at 1:33 pm

Comment #252659 by SASnSA:

most of these people strapping bombs to their bodies to bomb infidels don't even seem to have attained a grade school education let alone studied abroad and learned Darwinism

Depends which terrorists you're talking about. Of the ones that have attacked in the West, half have average or slightly above average education. I suspect the Iraqi militia might be different.

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48. Comment #252668 by mitch_486 on September 23, 2008 at 1:34 pm

"Okay, certainly none. Better?"

Yes, that's better. Darwinists simply can't be muslim terrorists.

btw, "none most probably" doesn't imply certainty. It's false for you to deduct my statement to certainty in the first place.

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49. Comment #252671 by MagnusFaustus on September 23, 2008 at 1:42 pm

Well, it looks like Kent Hovind isn't 'one of a kind'... Wonder if people are going to wait until they have a "Full House" of this crap.. I'll suffice for a flush, which is the sound of where I'm putting any of his work, page by page.. Maybe then we can do some experimentation upon how religious fish become after being exposed to Harun Yahya's writing in the local harbor...

Sorry about this not seeming too funny, but I'm having a wicked headache from the sheer stupid this man puts into his statements. I shouldn't have clicked on here...

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50. Comment #252674 by Freethinker15 on September 23, 2008 at 1:53 pm

If islamic terrorists believe in Darwin and get their motivation through evolution, Dawkins is a muslim and I'm an orthodox jew.

I really can't believe this kind of crap still persists. He should be forced to defend himself on this website. I'd love to rip him a new one with my limited knowledge. What a bloody idiot!

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