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2. Comment #14715 by Jared on December 24, 2006 at 5:11 pm
3. Comment #14721 by Pilot22A on December 24, 2006 at 6:42 pm
"Stalin's atheism, moreover, was no mere private foible, either. It was a violent feature of his ideology. He oppressed, imprisoned, tortured and murdered the Orthodox faithful, destroying their icons and their churches, throughout the length and breadth of Russia. Mao Tse-tung, another enthusiastic atheist, followed suit, and his anti-religious policies continue to this day in China."4. Comment #14724 by diquea on December 24, 2006 at 7:13 pm
I admire whoever plowed through the entire thing. As far as I got, I thought it was funny that he referred to the Boeing 747 argument, since TGD has a section entitled "The Ultimate Boeing 747."5. Comment #14729 by Cholmonedeley on December 24, 2006 at 7:37 pm
G_D said:6. Comment #14742 by denoir on December 24, 2006 at 9:22 pm
7. Comment #14745 by Aussie on December 24, 2006 at 9:55 pm
"Hitler cynically played fast and loose with religion, to manipulate the German people. Whenever and wherever he deemed religionists a threat to his own self-idolatry he persecuted them and purged them. Apart from the Jewish genocide, he persecuted and imprisoned hundreds of thousands of Christians, Protestant and Catholic, for their faith."8. Comment #14750 by DV82XL on December 24, 2006 at 10:25 pm
How pompous can you get? But then again how typical - believers of a certain type have always assumed that they are channelling for their deity - the pathetic thing is that there is a constiuancy that swallows this assumption.9. Comment #14763 by yokebutt on December 25, 2006 at 12:12 am
Impersonating God, and poorly at that, there's a one-way ticket to Hell if I ever saw one.10. Comment #14767 by Algebratheist on December 25, 2006 at 12:50 am
11. Comment #14768 by Algebratheist on December 25, 2006 at 12:56 am
12. Comment #14772 by stevencarrwork on December 25, 2006 at 1:42 am
CORNWELl'But consider the wise warning of GK Chesterton. When people cease to believe in God, they come to believe not in nothing, but in anything.'13. Comment #14773 by stevencarrwork on December 25, 2006 at 1:44 am
'The profound verities of the Sermon on the Mount'?14. Comment #14777 by bottersnike on December 25, 2006 at 2:32 am
This ridiculous article made me cross when I read it yesterday; I noted then that the Times didn't have the nerve to allow comments on it. I hope RD is given space for some sort of response.15. Comment #14778 by goddogit on December 25, 2006 at 2:51 am
More proof that any God derived from the Bible, and especially the OT, is not simply rot, but ugly, vile rot.16. Comment #14779 by mikejswalker on December 25, 2006 at 3:25 am
pompous, jealous laden, self absorbed, pernicious, facile, history tweaking, hole ridden bucket of piss. God must be knackered after typing such drivel whilst having to remember to capitalize himself all the time. this will piss off atheists and theists alike.17. Comment #14783 by Lionel A on December 25, 2006 at 4:27 am
18. Comment #14787 by Logicel on December 25, 2006 at 4:41 am
19. Comment #14788 by Seti on December 25, 2006 at 4:50 am
20. Comment #14789 by JohnC on December 25, 2006 at 4:51 am
21. Comment #14792 by Kergillian on December 25, 2006 at 5:14 am
22. Comment #14795 by Irate Harry on December 25, 2006 at 5:37 am
This man Cornwell is the very product of the child abuse that RD talks of. Consider this -23. Comment #14798 by Kimpatsu on December 25, 2006 at 6:38 am
24. Comment #14805 by G Bile on December 25, 2006 at 8:49 am
God quotes:25. Comment #14806 by Fouad Boussetta on December 25, 2006 at 9:50 am
26. Comment #14817 by Lionel A on December 25, 2006 at 12:55 pm
27. Comment #14818 by Lionel A on December 25, 2006 at 12:56 pm
28. Comment #14822 by IANVS on December 25, 2006 at 2:47 pm
The gods offer no rewards for intellect. There was never one yet that showed any interest in it. -- Mark Twain29. Comment #14823 by TearTheRoofOffTheSucker on December 25, 2006 at 3:17 pm
"Hello. I am God. I am going to write you an incredibly long essay about the reasoning behind my existance. but first, I am going to read The God Delusion, by Richard Dawkins."30. Comment #14825 by TearTheRoofOffTheSucker on December 25, 2006 at 3:35 pm
If people were not told about any religions they would not believe in any particular god! They may believe in something divine, but certainly not anything as specific (whilst vague at the same time.... Funny that) as, for example, the Christian God.31. Comment #14826 by Tremayne on December 25, 2006 at 4:02 pm
"When people cease to believe in God, they come to believe not in nothing, but in anything."
Utter nonsense. Reiterating inane aphorisms demonstrates that the unenlightened Mr. Cornwell is blinded by his own blind faith. The word skeptic is quintessentially non-theist.
"...blind laws" versus "blind faith;" (for the sake of argument let's assume "blind laws" is an accurate description, though 'undiscovered natural laws' or perhaps even "pre-eminent mystery" would be more appropriate terms,) the better choice should be intuitively obvious.
"Nor are most children so credulous as to actually believe that they will be eaten by bears if they tread on the pavement cracks. They can, and do, distinguish between the real and the imaginary at a very early age."
Such myopic statements underestimate the power of a naïve or superstitious mind, which all too often persists well into adulthood.
"What breathes life into the equations, and actualised them in a real cosmos. Such questions lie beyond science, however; they are the province of philosophers and theologians."
Would Mr. Cornwell completely forego science on matters of mathematics and the cosmos in favor of philosophical hypotheses and speculation? Such anachronistic attitudes are the provenance of Dark Ages mentality.
"Imagine a world with no religion. Imagine no suicide bombers, no 9/11, no 7/7, no Crusades, no witch-hunts . . . no Israeli/Palestinian wars, no Serb/Croat/Muslim massacres, no persecution of Jews as 'Christ-killers', no Northern Ireland Troubles . . . No Taliban to blow up ancient statues.""
"Your list, which includes conflicts that are blatantly secular, omits two catastrophic eras in recent history: Stalin's Soviet Union, and Hitler's Germany. So how do you attain a world without them? Are you not aware, Richard, that Stalin's brand of communism found its origin in an idea called dialectical materialism — a self-proclaimed "scientific" and atheistic ideology?"
Mr. Cornwell's unmitigated aversion to dialectics is unmistakable by his bellicose 'guilt by association' retort.
That Mr. Cornwell would have any rational person believe his assertion that 'suicide bombers, 9/11, 7/7, the Crusades, witch-hunts, the Israeli/Palestinian wars, the Serb/Croat/Muslim massacres, the persecution of Jews, the Northern Ireland hostilities, the Taliban destroying ancient Buddhist statues, as well as the Thirty Years War, the democides of Armenia, Darfur, and Rwanda, etc.,' were "blatantly secular" and devoid of any ascendant religious component is incredulous and utter propaganda! Any rational person could not help but conclude from Mr. Cornwell's statements that he suffers from delusion and self denial. Furthermore, Mr. Cornwell, those leaders or countries that have (or had) the power to intervene militarily (when appropriate) and choose (or chose) to remain uncommitted must bear much guilt and shame for their apathy and inaction.
Mr. Cornwell demonstrates a particular fondness for historical revisionism...
Regarding Joseph Stalin he was first and foremost a paranoid ideologue, oppressive totalitarian and despot. The famine that resulted from Stalin's failed institutionalized collective farming, nor the forced famine of the Ukrainians, or many of his "murderous purges," of which intellectuals, scientists and non-theists were equally made victims, was neither motivated nor justified by his absence of religion. Like most unyielding extremist autocrats he had a pathological obsession for power and control (sound familiar?) and anyone who opposed his will often paid a heavy price.
Hitler is hardly the "atheist" that Mr. Cornwell desires. Unlike many of his fellow Germans Hitler was not personally religious, (he himself had great disdain for Christianity believing it to be an invention of the Jew,) however he was unequivocally a deist and he believed in an almighty Creator.
"One may ask whether the disappearance of Christianity would entail the disappearance of belief in God. That's not to be desired. The notion of divinity gives most men the opportunity to concretize the feeling they have of supernatural realities."
"Man has discovered in nature the wonderful notion of that almighty being whose law he worships."
"We do not want to educate anyone in atheism."
~ Adolf Hitler
It is lamentable that we must once again bear witness to further subterfuge and sophistry by the self-righteous status quo as embodied by Mr. John Cornwell's inurbane demagoguery.
32. Comment #14828 by Martha on December 25, 2006 at 4:15 pm
33. Comment #14829 by Martha on December 25, 2006 at 4:32 pm
34. Comment #14830 by Martha on December 25, 2006 at 5:07 pm
35. Comment #14833 by Veronique on December 25, 2006 at 6:33 pm
36. Comment #14842 by hmsbeagle3 on December 25, 2006 at 8:30 pm
Yes, yes Cornwell, because Hitler (maybe) and Stalin (likely) were atheists, than all other atheists MUST subscribe to their psychotic interpretation of reality. Only through the distorted lens of hyper-religiosity could one churn out such nonsense. I feel for those of the Ted Haggard flock, all of whom no doubt abuse crystal meth and enjoy taking it up-the-ass, as it were.37. Comment #14843 by Muhammed Thor Kershberg on December 25, 2006 at 8:32 pm
Just a few questions, umm...god:38. Comment #14844 by Nikki on December 25, 2006 at 8:42 pm
John Cornwell as God39. Comment #14845 by Nikki on December 25, 2006 at 8:46 pm
39. Comment #14843 by Muhammed Thor Kershberg40. Comment #14846 by EvolvedDNA on December 25, 2006 at 9:07 pm
Hi God, You saw Dr.Who..in Heaven? was it on an HD set before we mortals had it down here.. also did you watch any of those TV evangelists at all.. do you know they say that the world is only 6000 yr old!!! well of course you would right. Try to sort them out.. they appear to be giving your side a bad name. Maybe drop in one Sunday morning and set them straight.41. Comment #14849 by Nikki on December 26, 2006 at 12:05 am
42.Comment #14846 by EvolvedDNA42. Comment #14850 by Nikki on December 26, 2006 at 12:35 am
Oh ...and mental wanker (aka John Cornwell), let's play molecular biology/genetics next time! I so enjoy that rhetoric/game so much more than the tired old one, which you and your ilk dribble out over and over again.43. Comment #14853 by Richard Dawkins on December 26, 2006 at 2:09 am
John Cornwell has taken some stick for his impersonation of God. He is obviously a religious man, and his negativity towards The God Delusion may reflect his disappointment after his generous and positive review of my previous book, The Ancestor's Tale. The contrast between Cornwell's assessments of the two books reflects, in my view, the unique power of religion to distort an otherwise intelligent man's view of the world. But to him, no doubt, it reflects the need for scientists to stay firmly in their own field and not trespass into theology. Obviously I disagree profoundly, and I see the two books as part of a seamless continuum. But I thought it might be interesting to reproduce Cornwell's review of the other book here.44. Comment #14855 by stevencarrwork on December 26, 2006 at 2:28 am
CORNWELL writes 'Whenever and wherever he deemed religionists a threat to his own self-idolatry he persecuted them and purged them.'45. Comment #14870 by CitizenPaine on December 26, 2006 at 7:11 am
John Cornwell can certainly change his mind. He began, by his own admission, the research for his book, "Hitler's Pope", with the object of protecting Pope Pius XII's reputation from imputations of wrong doing with regard to the Jewish population of Europe during WW2. He even states that it was his Catholic background that allowed Vatican archive doors to be opened for him.46. Comment #14871 by Simon Quick on December 26, 2006 at 7:32 am
Letter to the Times, 26. Dec 0647. Comment #14875 by DerrickB on December 26, 2006 at 8:23 am
A Christmas Message:48. Comment #14887 by HappyPrimate on December 26, 2006 at 11:53 am
49. Comment #14893 by Nikki on December 26, 2006 at 12:40 pm
Mr. Cornwell (or was it God)50. Comment #14901 by TearTheRoofOffTheSucker on December 26, 2006 at 3:03 pm
Comment #14875 by DerrickB
1. Comment #14707 by John Phillips on December 24, 2006 at 4:41 pm
Another christian who claims to know the mind of god, and they call us atheists arrogant, yawn. However, even assuming that any atheist, RD included, know nothing about theology, why is it necessary to know anything about it to dismiss the existence of a god based purely on the evidence, or rather lack of, presented so far. After all theology presents no evidence for god simply studying the nature of god and the relationship of the human and the divine with the a priori assumption that a god exists.Not so much a thunderbolt so much as another fizzing squib with the same unproven and misguided assertions with the odd ad hominem thrown in for good measure, i.e. the old same old, same old.
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