










[Warning: Graphic] Children's foreheads slashed in Muslim saint's nameSTORY HIGHLIGHTS:
• Some Shiites believe cutting children honors a 17th-century Muslim leader
• Kids as young as one-month-old and as men as old as 100 are slashed
• Ashura marks the decapitation of their most revered Saint Imam Hussein
• Rite continues despite being banned in Lebanon
NABATIYEH, Lebanon (AP) -- The 6-year-old boy screamed and shook his head to avoid the razor blade. But his father held him firmly as Hajj Khodor parted the boy's black hair and sliced his forehead three times with the blade.
Toddlers and babies cut2. Comment #19977 by Ohnhai on January 31, 2007 at 1:01 am
3. Comment #19978 by Myryama on January 31, 2007 at 1:10 am
This is horrendous. It is the most horrible treatment of children I have ever seen. What sort of people condone this behaviour and what sort of parents are happy to inflict this sort of suffering on their children?4. Comment #19982 by Squiddity on January 31, 2007 at 1:36 am
This is an argument from prejudicial language and is therefore invalid.5. Comment #19983 by Roy_H on January 31, 2007 at 1:48 am
"When the rest of the world is going to the moon, look where these people are -- still drawing blood from their heads," she said.6. Comment #19985 by deepanjan_nag on January 31, 2007 at 2:02 am
I reject all religions, but Islam must be the most horrific and most anomalous. How can a civilized society allow people to be so cruel to their own children? If this isn't indicative enough of how flawed these 'holy texts' are, what is?7. Comment #19986 by stephend on January 31, 2007 at 2:02 am
8. Comment #19987 by Squiddity on January 31, 2007 at 2:10 am
StephenD - I think you misunderstand my argument - I am not arguing in favour of this behaviour, to assume that is deeply uncharitable on your part.9. Comment #19989 by Luthien on January 31, 2007 at 2:32 am
10. Comment #19991 by toaldingham on January 31, 2007 at 2:42 am
11. Comment #19993 by faouloki on January 31, 2007 at 2:45 am
12. Comment #19998 by Myryama on January 31, 2007 at 3:25 am
I think CNN have posted a remarkably restrained article, considering the subject matter. The language seems appropriately descriptive to me - the problem is that the subject matter is astonishingly unpleasant and I don't think anyone outside the small clique performing these barbaric rituals would approve of them.13. Comment #20006 by stephend on January 31, 2007 at 3:50 am
14. Comment #20007 by rhea on January 31, 2007 at 4:00 am
In response to Ohnhai:15. Comment #20009 by Squiddity on January 31, 2007 at 4:06 am
faouloki: Yes, I do realise it was reposted from CNN, I said that I did not think it should have been proprograted here.16. Comment #20010 by Lord Asriel on January 31, 2007 at 4:08 am
Lebanon's top Shiite cleric, Ayatollah Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah, has banned bloodletting during Ashura, even for adults.
Clerics in mainly Shiite Iran forbid it as well, saying the practice is un-Islamic because it harms the body.
17. Comment #20012 by Squiddity on January 31, 2007 at 4:13 am
StephenD: I did consider the phrase 'Ali Madani's cries became more violent as blood gushed from the wound, covering his small, terrified face.' to be sensationalist.18. Comment #20013 by Squiddity on January 31, 2007 at 4:16 am
Heatnzl : You might want to notice that I said that I disagree with this practice and consider it immoral.19. Comment #20021 by aleprechaunist on January 31, 2007 at 5:05 am
Disturbing stuff. Physical mutilation seems to be a frequent feature of religions - I guess it's a powerful way of tying someone into a faith, and 'implanting' group identity. Baptism just doesn't have the same 'oomf', it would seem...20. Comment #20022 by stephend on January 31, 2007 at 5:09 am
21. Comment #20024 by Martin The Mess on January 31, 2007 at 5:30 am
This actually reminded me of the (rare) custom in some Catholic societies of commemorating Easter by holding a re-created Passion procession, complete with some guy (essentially always an adult male volunteer) getting crucified at the end. Usually, he's just tied to the cross with ropes, but sometimes, in some places, they actually nailed him up for a while. More often, but still rarely, they whipped and scourged him in imitation of the pre-crucfiction tortures supposedly endured by Christ (and memorably recreated with special effects in Mel Gibson's recent gorefest).22. Comment #20030 by mdowe on January 31, 2007 at 5:50 am
23. Comment #20031 by Mango on January 31, 2007 at 5:54 am
24. Comment #20043 by madpatriot on January 31, 2007 at 6:16 am
Very true, Mango.25. Comment #20064 by BigJohn on January 31, 2007 at 8:02 am
26. Comment #20067 by Squiddity on January 31, 2007 at 8:30 am
Heatnzl: There is nothing wrong with emotion per se.27. Comment #20069 by PASmith on January 31, 2007 at 8:35 am
There is a similar practice in parts of Italy as seen on "Francesco's Italy". Men hit parts of their bodies with wooden blocks studded with pins. The children often play the part of helpers (holding wine and flags) and are expected to follow in their Father's (bloody) footsteps. That happening in such an enlightened place as Italy is truly shocking.28. Comment #20074 by Pantore on January 31, 2007 at 8:48 am
29. Comment #20079 by poppythinks on January 31, 2007 at 9:12 am
30. Comment #20096 by Diplo on January 31, 2007 at 10:49 am
It encourages bigotry, jingoism and prejudice...
31. Comment #20108 by Shuggy on January 31, 2007 at 12:36 pm
32. Comment #20133 by Galactic Lord Xenu on January 31, 2007 at 2:52 pm
33. Comment #20155 by Jiten on January 31, 2007 at 4:04 pm
34. Comment #20162 by Friggertool on January 31, 2007 at 4:40 pm
35. Comment #20167 by grolaw on January 31, 2007 at 5:18 pm
Fact: perfectly normal tissue is lacerated.36. Comment #20215 by Logicel on February 1, 2007 at 5:31 am
37. Comment #20270 by privateeye on February 1, 2007 at 11:45 am
38. Comment #20279 by Pieter on February 1, 2007 at 1:13 pm
I wonder if anyone has seen the Passionate Eye documentary from a few years ago titled "In the Name of God: Scenes from the Extreme". In it they show a scene from one of these shia rituals, also with screaming children, but mostly psychotic older men dancing around in their own blood. a good movie in any respect, no narration, only what the camera captured.39. Comment #20280 by writenow on February 1, 2007 at 1:28 pm
Actually circumcision has a practical end --- I've read studies on several-- including one very recent on which said, I think, that women married to circumcised men were less likely to develop cervical cancer. I have to look up the studies to get the exact data.40. Comment #20299 by Shuggy on February 1, 2007 at 3:46 pm
41. Comment #20346 by John Phillips on February 1, 2007 at 11:53 pm
intelligentperson: If you can't see the difference between a child crying because they are refused something and a child crying because they have been physically abused or fear such by their parents then I fear that there is an 'un' missing from the beginning of your username.42. Comment #20376 by forexamplejohnsmith on February 2, 2007 at 4:34 am
It's practically a law of nature that if any article is the slighest bit critical of Islam, there will be people who will jump in with defence - even people who call themselves atheists.43. Comment #20441 by whisper on February 2, 2007 at 1:24 pm
I have to agree with Squiddity.44. Comment #20462 by Luthien on February 2, 2007 at 5:40 pm
45. Comment #20470 by neander on February 2, 2007 at 7:20 pm
46. Comment #20480 by mmurray on February 3, 2007 at 1:12 am
47. Comment #20483 by Shuggy on February 3, 2007 at 2:17 am
Ah yes, the sand myth: see http://www.circumstitions.com/sand.html .
And was the Afrika Korps not an effective fighting force?
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48. Comment #20490 by Roy_H on February 3, 2007 at 4:58 am
Comment #20280 by writenow on February 1, 2007 at 1:28 pm49. Comment #20492 by poppythinks on February 3, 2007 at 5:44 am
50. Comment #20506 by Shuggy on February 3, 2007 at 1:50 pm
1. Comment #19976 by yokebutt on January 31, 2007 at 12:59 am
Pythonesque.Other Comments by yokebutt