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I think you're right mate. We spend so much time arguing for rational thought that we forget to celebrate it.3. Comment #21595 by Logicel on February 10, 2007 at 3:38 am
4. Comment #21601 by linck on February 10, 2007 at 4:37 am
5. Comment #21611 by Nuclearman on February 10, 2007 at 5:43 am
Great stuff, with this exception:
In a corner of the hall, several scientists are shown in video interviews professing the compatibility of their evolution research with their religious beliefs.
6. Comment #21621 by justme on February 10, 2007 at 7:31 am
7. Comment #21633 by Mango on February 10, 2007 at 8:24 am
8. Comment #21651 by woollybear on February 10, 2007 at 10:54 am
9. Comment #21659 by John Phillips on February 10, 2007 at 12:22 pm
Linck: I agree, two things that always give me the shivers and I consider the most awe inspiring is one, to quote Sagan, that we are all made of starstuff and two, everything living and that has lived on this planet shares a common genetic heritage. How can some pie in the sky monster even begin to compare with that.10. Comment #21664 by gimlibengloin on February 10, 2007 at 1:02 pm
John Phillips (9)11. Comment #21668 by jeepyjay on February 10, 2007 at 1:08 pm
The museum's website still has the details of its previous brilliant exhibition about Darwin12. Comment #21671 by linck on February 10, 2007 at 1:35 pm
13. Comment #21672 by linck on February 10, 2007 at 1:43 pm
14. Comment #21673 by John Phillips on February 10, 2007 at 1:47 pm
gimilibengloin: Do you think I would have said it if I didn't. I find the belief that humans are made in the image of some mythical super-being demeaning and often restrictive of our potential, deliberately so by many religions, even to the extent of trying to even control our thoughts let alone our actions. Even if that technically means we are of no more value than any other collection of matter. Though to repeat, I find the fact that we are all starstuff and share a genetic heritage with all living things on this planet awe inspiring in itself. A oneness with the universe through our constituent parts, if you will. However, personally I consider myself of more value than any other collection of matter, but then I am selfish :) I.e. whether as individuals we are actually of more value than any other collection of matter depends on ones viewpoint and is largely up to us and what we do with our lives. We can cower and waste our time worrying about some pie in the sky monster or we can live our lives to the full for the so called three score and ten, or whatever the equivalent is nowadays, that we know for certain we have. That is what I have done, and though I only have a portion of that three score and ten left, I have enjoyed most if not all of it. If I died tomorrow, I would regret it as I am not ready to give up just yet :), but I would have few if any significant regrets.15. Comment #21674 by gimlibengloin on February 10, 2007 at 1:49 pm
linck (12)16. Comment #21675 by gimlibengloin on February 10, 2007 at 2:01 pm
John Phillips (14)17. Comment #21676 by John Phillips on February 10, 2007 at 2:02 pm
gimilibengloin: I missed one point in your previous reply about why starstuff and not pond slime etc. Apart from the fact that Linck expanded quite accurately my original answer about starstuff I also did equate with pond-slime or amoeba, though indirectly, but not through some squeamishness at the thought of being related to what might be considered a lesser life form. I did so when I commented on the fact that all living things share a genetic heritage, i.e that includes pond-slime, amoeba, etc. etc. but didn't think it necessary to list every possible evolutionary step from the ground up. However, feel free to insert any life form you care to that I have failed to mention as it makes no difference as it still fills me with awe and wonder that I share my genetic heritage with all of them. And even more awesome is that we can learn about all of this through our own efforts, not through the efforts of some mythical super-being.18. Comment #21677 by John Phillips on February 10, 2007 at 2:14 pm
gimlibenglon: But that is the difference between me and you, I see the steps that the various religions have made and some still try make to stop our investigating our universe. Particularly when those discoveries disprove what the religions have been telling us over the centuries. I don't need some mythical monster or super being to give my life meaning, my very existence and the way I live my life does that for me. The difference is that I don't waste any time worrying about what this mythical super being thinks of my actions or what happens to me after I am dead. It is not relevant to living my life except when the religious try to impose their irrational beliefs on me or the way I live my life. If they all kept their beliefs to themselves as a personal belief system we would not need this debate as it would not affect me. Unfortunately, down the centuries and even today, believers are trying to gain control to affect how I live my life, as can be witnessed on a world wide basis every day.19. Comment #21680 by kkant on February 10, 2007 at 2:29 pm
You trying to convert somebody, gimlibengloin? :D20. Comment #21681 by mjwemdee on February 10, 2007 at 2:34 pm
21. Comment #21686 by linck on February 10, 2007 at 3:39 pm
22. Comment #21688 by Logicel on February 10, 2007 at 3:56 pm
23. Comment #21689 by linck on February 10, 2007 at 3:56 pm
24. Comment #21718 by neander on February 10, 2007 at 7:10 pm
25. Comment #21726 by uzi on February 10, 2007 at 7:38 pm
Evolution adds value to the what it means to be alive. It gives us an unending connection to billions of years of cosmic formation. It bridges the gaps between all forms of life, unites us, and most assuredly humbles us for what we are.26. Comment #21728 by eccles on February 10, 2007 at 7:45 pm
27. Comment #21911 by hopeful on February 11, 2007 at 4:38 pm
This sounds like something that would be wonderful to see.28. Comment #21917 by John Phillips on February 11, 2007 at 5:27 pm
uzi: Thank you. You expanded perfectly what I meant by religious belief in our supposed creation by a god or gods as demeaning and restrictive to mankind.29. Comment #22011 by Red Foot Oakie on February 12, 2007 at 10:11 am
30. Comment #22014 by kkant on February 12, 2007 at 10:25 am
Excellent post, uzi.
1. Comment #21589 by AdrianB on February 10, 2007 at 3:16 am
To be honest I'm not interested in the rantings of McGrath, I just sigh, laugh and move on.
This is what it's about. This is fantastic. Good luck to all those involved in this exhibition.
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