1. Comment #23666 by petermun on March 2, 2007 at 1:56 am

Typical of the Rev - focus on the greenback rather than the green.

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2. Comment #23668 by mtg101 on March 2, 2007 at 2:09 am

This is the same Falwell that said Hurricane Katrina was caused by "the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians"
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/8/31/0836/62623

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3. Comment #23670 by alovrin on March 2, 2007 at 2:24 am

What I like is the brevity of the article, sorry not the article itself just the amount of words expended in explanation.

"Message understood Obi Wan.... I'll past it along.... you know to.... those other ......Okay I'll shut up Lord"

"Satan blah blah blah trying to REDIRECT blah blah blahGod will maintain the earth till Jesus return's OK Got it."

I kinda like this nut case hangs himself with his own words.

I just hate it when they (You know who Im talking about) get all clever and try to drown me and, possibly others,in their words.
I always feel sorta wet, damp, dont know how to describe it, soggy? after reading people like alvin.

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4. Comment #23671 by scottishgeologist on March 2, 2007 at 2:41 am

Yes, the same Falwell (and Pat Robertson) who reckoned that the 911 attacks were the result of gays, lesbians, ACLU, pagans... the list goes on.

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/14/Falwell.apology/

The Urban Dictionery sums him up pretty well (you'll grin at these)

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jerry+falwell


The best thing about people like Falwell, Robertson, Hinn et al is that they do a lot of the spade work for us by their ludicrous remarks. The notion of "giving them enough rope to hang themselves" should be encouraged.

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5. Comment #23672 by AbstractMonkey on March 2, 2007 at 2:54 am

Well, Falwell is proposing this God thing will save us...
Al Gore is saying that ManBearPig is responsible (see SouthPark)...

I know which one I find more believable.

I wonder if people like Falwell and the various capitalist institutes trying to undermine the global warming evidence are also behind the new attack that employs cosmic rays...

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6. Comment #23678 by DavidMcC on March 2, 2007 at 3:29 am

"first-class nuts."
That's rich coming from a guy who believes in "rapture"!

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7. Comment #23680 by BaronOchs on March 2, 2007 at 3:41 am

From:

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/mar/07030101.html

"Pope Benedict XVI. . . selected retired Bologna archbishop Cardinal Giacomo Biffi to preach the annual Lenten retreat to the Pope and the top members of the Vatican."

In 2004 Cardinal Biffi described the antichrist as "walking among us"

"the Cardinal said "the Antichrist presents himself as pacifist, ecologist and ecumenist."

If anyone sees any pacifists or ecologists be very wary they might be the antichrist.

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8. Comment #23685 by Magrathean Economist on March 2, 2007 at 4:21 am

I think the hot air the good Reverend generates is itself a major contributor to global warming...

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9. Comment #23689 by lpetrich on March 2, 2007 at 4:57 am

Yes, Jerry Falwell is very worthy of "Fundies Say the Darnedest Things" - http://www.fstdt.com

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10. Comment #23692 by MohaMad on March 2, 2007 at 5:36 am

Wait for more informations about global warming and many other things.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,2024724,00.html

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11. Comment #23695 by fonex_86 on March 2, 2007 at 5:41 am

Falwell said the Bible teaches that God will maintain the Earth until Jesus returns, so Christians should be responsible environmentalists, but not what he calls ... quote ... "first-class nuts."

I don't remember any bible verse about this, but I could be wrong. But wait, if god takes care of everything, why should anyone be environmentalists at all?

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12. Comment #23696 by Luthien on March 2, 2007 at 5:45 am

...the Cardinal said "the Antichrist presents himself as pacifist, ecologist and ecumenist

Al Gore is the Antichrist?

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13. Comment #23705 by Homo economicus on March 2, 2007 at 6:29 am

Apparently so Luthien. My mother used to read new age consipracy books and apparently Gore worships mother earth.

Have watched An Inconvenient Truth. Made a convincing case for us to be very concerned.

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14. Comment #23710 by kkant on March 2, 2007 at 6:55 am

fonex_86 writes:
"But wait, if god takes care of everything, why should anyone be environmentalists at all?"

Indeed, he never really gets into that, does he? Jesus will care for earth until he returns: check. Christians should be responsible environmentalists: huh?? Oh wait, I know, we must be using that special "god-logic" here.

Sometimes people are skeptical of the viewpoint that Sam Harris in particular pushes very strongly, that the Christian fundamentalism associated with this "second coming" bullshit is really extremely scary for the future of our civilization. In just a few words, Falwell has dramatically justified Harris's fear.

BaronOchs: that's absolutely hilarious.

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15. Comment #23713 by fonex_86 on March 2, 2007 at 7:15 am

You heathens!! How could you possibly prefer the pacifist-ecologist Antichrist to the childish, spoiled, environmentally-irresponsible Living Saviour Praised Be His Fossil-Guzzling Pollution-Puking SUV?!?!?

I hope you freeze.

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16. Comment #23720 by AtheistJunkie on March 2, 2007 at 8:01 am

Falwell quote "first-class nuts". SIGH SIGH
I'm just not going to dignify idiots.

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17. Comment #23724 by tomjlawson on March 2, 2007 at 8:38 am

Let us not forget that an Inconvenient Truth uses scary propaganda such as Manhattan being underwater in 50 years when in actuality, according to the new IPCC report, Manhattan will be slightly moist in a hundred years time, which won't bother those of us with flying cars and jet packs. Al Gore is an environmental fundamentalist with a well-meaning agenda, and should be busy updating his facts, but the facts just aren't scary enough to sell wind farms and plug-in hybrids, so he will undoubtedly continue to scare the masses into believing whatever he believes to further fund his consulting firm...

...why can't we just want cleaner air for the sake of breathing easier? The inconvenient truth is that people are scared animals, they're scared of car crashes (bigger vehicles calm them) and they're scared of the dark (every light in their house has to be on). People must be cured of their need to suck the resources out of existence, until then we're destined to live in a loop...

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18. Comment #23732 by CF1 on March 2, 2007 at 9:40 am

This reminds me of a quote from Sam Harris:

We don't respect stupidity, but we (general public) respect religious stupidity.

It really astounds me that ANYONE listens to morons like Falwell.

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19. Comment #23735 by mintcheerios on March 2, 2007 at 10:07 am

They also becomes presidents of super powerful countries.

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20. Comment #23736 by Mikado on March 2, 2007 at 10:25 am

One religious fundamentalist attacking another religious fundamentalist. Pity Al Gore probably won't answer being to busy buying carbon offsets from himself.

You should actually read the IPCC Summary for Policymakers, it is only 18 pages. Most people that have opinions on the climate have not bothered. The actual IPCC Report is not due until April.

http://www.ipcc.ch/SPM2feb07.pdf

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21. Comment #23748 by Bremas on March 2, 2007 at 12:22 pm

lpetrich
Your "Fundies Say the Darndest Things" link just ruined my day.
Up until now, I had been very skeptical that anyone could be that dim.
Now my skepticism on everything else in jeopardy.
Are we sure about this whole atheism thing folks.

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22. Comment #23755 by Bizarro Dawkins on March 2, 2007 at 1:26 pm

Indeed, that was a rather...unfortunate thing for Dr. Falwell to say. As a Christian biology major, I recognize the need for us to be good stewards of the earth. Unfortunately, Dr. Falwell simply isn't as educated on the issue as he should be to comment on it.

Of course, there are many good things that he has to say. He does have a rather rough exterior, but having seen the balanced view of him (I go to LU), he's really not as terrible as the media makes him out to be. Yeah, sometimes I find myself cringing in convocation, but there are other times when he can be very inspirational.

I think what alot of people forget is that he comes from a backround where coarseness is not necessarily looked down upon. I know I'm going to get alot of flack for this, but understand I am no way defending his statement; I'm just pointing out that the media presents a rather unbalanced view of him.

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23. Comment #23757 by Riley on March 2, 2007 at 1:53 pm

Comment from tomjlawson: " Let us not forget that an Inconvenient Truth uses scary propaganda such as Manhattan being underwater in 50 years when in actuality, according to the new IPCC report, Manhattan will be slightly moist in a hundred years time"

It's more acccurate to say that the IPCC gives the 90% likely scenario of what could happen in 50 years. And "An Inconvenient Truth" gives the 1% likely scenario.

When making a risk assessment of potential cost, it's not unreasonable to consider the 1% scenario..

(if there is a 99% chance that a large asteroid will barely miss the earth in 50 years, would you characterize warning the public of the devestating risk presented by the 1% scenario of the asteroid hitting the earth as "scary propaganda"? The fact that the 99% scenario is cost-free does little to mitigate the need for someone to sound the alarm.)

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24. Comment #23758 by Matty Two-Tone on March 2, 2007 at 1:55 pm

"Dr. Falwell simply isn't as educated on the issue as he should be to comment on it."

BD, please name for me one non-religious topic Dr. Falwell is educated enough on which to comment.

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25. Comment #23760 by Riley on March 2, 2007 at 2:12 pm

BD, if you have the patience, please also speculate on why you think the Rev. Falwell presents himself as an authority on such topics he knows so little about?

Given his tendency to assume such authority in these cases, you must wonder how much of what he says on matters of God (the topic for which he is considered an expert) you can trust.



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26. Comment #23761 by alovrin on March 2, 2007 at 2:14 pm

"He does have a rather rough exterior"

Thats our Jerr just a rough diamond, a man who says what he thinks, a man who shoots from the hip, a man who has the common touch etc etc etc etc...
The media is at fault here not our JERR,

OH PLEEZE!

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27. Comment #23762 by Bremas on March 2, 2007 at 2:16 pm

I will play devil's advocate here for a moment folks.

The problem isn't whether Falwell is or isn't qualified to speak on an issue.
The problem is that so many people believe that he is, and that he IS an authority due to his religious position.

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28. Comment #23765 by Yorker on March 2, 2007 at 2:43 pm

I see you haven't yet gained enough imagination to select another nickname, Bizarro.

I agree with you that the media give an unbalanced view of your revered founder, they are far too kind to him! The plain fact is that Falwell isn't educated period! It's clear though, that he's looked up to by followers of even lesser education, which is the reason your joke university can proudly display a 3K year-old dinosaur fossil. Perhaps I'm being too harsh here, it's possible you've had the sense to hide it after the professor whose name you mock, made you all look worse than silly.

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29. Comment #23767 by Red Foot Oakie on March 2, 2007 at 3:01 pm

Creepy. Anything that directs attention away from the cult for even a moment has to be slapped down.

Pathetic.

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30. Comment #23775 by alovrin on March 2, 2007 at 3:59 pm

Oh Dear me
I was in such a rush to make fun of you Bizarro I missed this little gem...

"A Christian Biology major" HUH!
Is that different from Muslim Biology? OR Hindu Biology?
Is this an all encompassing subject?
There isnt Baptist Biology of Catholic Biology is there?
In any case it wouldnt require much study would it
'cause dont you guys think god made everything?

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31. Comment #23778 by Bremas on March 2, 2007 at 4:19 pm

alovrin,
I missed that also, even when I went back and reread it, it took several times for it to sink in. I think I have just been extremely desensitized to such things.
Another example for me of just how deeply religion is engrained in our culture here in the states.

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32. Comment #23780 by troodon on March 2, 2007 at 4:42 pm

Bizarro,
Since you attend Liberty, I'm curious if you were part of the Liberty group at Richard Dawkins presentation at Randolph-Macon Woman's College. Also, maybe you could let us know what kind of discussions the students had after, and what kind of explanations (excuses) Rev. Falwell had for the students.

From watching the videos it seemed like the Liberty students were completely unprepared for the level of debate with Prof. Dawkins. Did some of the students do as RD suggested and resign from LU to get a proper education from a better university?

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33. Comment #23784 by tomjlawson on March 2, 2007 at 5:39 pm

Well, the news channels are more than happy to taunt us with the idea of an asteroid hitting the earth all day until we tune in at 11 and find out it's actually a 1% chance, but that's not propaganda that's just selling soap. It's when the person traveling the world with a slide show about the 1% chance just happens to sell asteroid-impact insurance, that is when it is propaganda. Listen, I'm all for changing the sick ways people gorge themselves on non-renewable resources. I already drive a tiny car, I live in a small townhouse, my carbon footprint is well below the average, but telling people that the WTC memorial is going to be under 20 feet of water if you don't unplug power-sucking appliances and drive a hybrid? Come on, that's Bush saying there are WMD in Iraq.

Try as Gore might, he's never going to stretch 7-30 cm into 20 feet! But telling Manhattanites that the water is going to be ankle-deep in a century's time and that they'll have invest in a good pair of galoshes is not going to get them to ditch their gluttonous lifestyles. As it turns out, the inconvenient truth isn't the warming, or the cooling, or the smog, or any of the regional climate fluctuations, it's the lifestyle sacrifices that humans have to make in order to survive, but all of the sheep that Falwell represents are missing the point and look at it like it's a fancy weather report...

The movie poster should not have a power plant spewing a hurricane, that's impersonal, the hurricane should be coming out of the tailpipe of an SUV. Nothing would say it better.

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34. Comment #23785 by atheisticism on March 2, 2007 at 5:40 pm

Umm...how much of global warming IS caused by human emissions, CAN we stop it? I don't take a christian's side on anything very often, but hey, arguing against their beliefs is rather like swatting a fly with a sledgehammer, no real challenge!

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35. Comment #23786 by mithraman on March 2, 2007 at 6:10 pm

I beg to differ about swatting the fly with the sledgehammer. It is indeed quite challenging. It took me an hour to swat one when I tried and it was very tiring. I don't mind repairing the holes in the wall so much, but I also took out the television.

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36. Comment #23788 by atheisticism on March 2, 2007 at 6:19 pm

LOL... Ok, not such a sound analogy, thx mith

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37. Comment #23791 by CF1 on March 2, 2007 at 7:18 pm

Bizarro Dawkins said: Yeah, sometimes I find myself cringing in convocation, but there are other times when he can be very inspirational.


Weren't there a whole bunch of people who said that about Adolf Hitler?

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38. Comment #23795 by Yorker on March 2, 2007 at 7:54 pm

Couldn't sleep, so I made up some LU question and answer stuff.





Q. What's the easiest degree to get from LU?
A. Mathematics, no number can exceed 6000

Q. Why is studying at LU, economical?
A. You only need one textbook.

Q. Why are LU computers, the world's fastest?
A. Their processors need only 13 bits.

Q. Why are LU law graduates in great demand?
A. They win all cases by default.

Q. Why are LU faculty members always starving?
A. Have you tried living off $6K a year?

Q. What's LU's most popular course?
A. Sex Education : "In God, We Thrust"

Q. What's LU's motto?
A. "Godidit, Doggonit, Godidit"

Care to add more anyone?

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39. Comment #23805 by neander on March 2, 2007 at 9:01 pm

What the hells a "Christian Biology Major"? Or is it a christain doing Biology? What sort of biology is taught a a university that labels dinosaurs as 3,000 years old?
BD, all people have good and bad aspects to thier personalities. The fact that you found the good ones in JF does not excuse the horrendous hypocrasy, bigotry and pure nastyness spouted by JF on an almost daily basis.

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40. Comment #23807 by fonex_86 on March 2, 2007 at 9:34 pm

You silly atheists! Of course Christian Biology is different! Just look at our anatomies -- you have that big pink thing inside your skull, but we have no need of it! We also don't have the bunch of slimy tubes you have in your abdomen, for we 'do not live by bread alone'!

Nyah nyah nyah we're better than you

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41. Comment #23811 by Macho Nachos on March 2, 2007 at 10:28 pm

"Of course, there are many good things that he has to say. He does have a rather rough exterior, but having seen the balanced view of him (I go to LU), he's really not as terrible as the media makes him out to be. Yeah, sometimes I find myself cringing in convocation, but there are other times when he can be very inspirational."

OK, I've heard this kind of crap from religious people too many times. They defend lunatic statements of their leaders by claiming that some of their other opinions are more useful/good/valid.

@ the religious: If someone says something completely irresponsible, like Falwell has done here, don't continue to look up to them! Why take so much coal with the diamonds from a role model who is supposed to epitomise understanding and leadership on such issues? If a politician shared a majority of your view but vocally claimed that child molestation was something we should ignore, would you support them?

Gah.

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42. Comment #23812 by scooternyc on March 2, 2007 at 11:16 pm

The global warming hysteria has nothing to do with any bible. It's certainly the left's religion in the face of other science, but what's new. Unstoppable Global Warming by Fred Singer and Dennis Avery is worth reading.

Global Warming is nothing more than politics attempting to create hysteria in order to tax our dollars even further. It's irresponsible.

Yes, we should find ways to conserve and to recycle; these are solid ideas for our existence. But really! Most people don't even know the difference between carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide.

There's nothing like people spouting off about a subject for which they've done none of their own personal research into any of the facts on either side. "Oh, I read it in the Mirror" or "I read it in the NY Times" - yes, because these are the standards by which news reporting is being held accountable.

Falwell is an idiot, but it has nothing to do with global warming, it has to do with his schizophrenia about talking to god.

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43. Comment #23828 by Dreamer's Dilemma on March 3, 2007 at 3:34 am

As my grandmother used to say, "Even a blind pig finds an ear of corn once in awhile." Falwell is unquestionably an idiot, but he did get one statement correct, "the jury is still out." As Al Gore likes to remind the media every time someone reports on his self promoting program to buy carbon footprint futures from himself, "people just like to attack the messenger instead of hearing the message."

It amazes me how the bulk of this secular humanist crowd will blindly follow a leader like Al Gore down the "faith-based" ecology path to worship at the feet of Gaia.

Aren't these the same people who were promoting the idea of global cooling thirty years ago? Have they come up with an explanation for the cooling of the oceans within only the past three years?

When "science" becomes more about fostering support for only one side of an unresolved issue, it ceases to be science and risks becoming a religion.

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44. Comment #23834 by scooternyc on March 3, 2007 at 5:21 am

Dreamer's Dilemma - spot on! Excellent evaluation and succinct in your writing of it. Bravo.

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45. Comment #23835 by Yorker on March 3, 2007 at 5:29 am

Sorry to interrupt the back slapping guys - you might want to think again.

Scooternyc said:

"Global Warming is nothing more than politics attempting to create hysteria in order to tax our dollars even further. It's irresponsible."

I wouldn't make such a sweeping statement for fear of ending up with a face-full of egg. Without doing any personal research on global warming, I would be inclined to accept the verdict given by the large majority of scientists that it is a fact. The recent evidence presented by the British Antarctic Survey confirms that huge chunks of Antarctica are melting. Perhaps unawareness is causing you to make a faulty judgment; the USA has a survey team there also, but it wouldn't surprise me if their findings were suppressed by the Bush government; keeping the population ill-informed and scared, is a favourite control method of theirs.

Dreamer's Dilemma said:

"Have they come up with an explanation for the cooling of the oceans within only the past three years?"

You seem to be using this as an argument against GW when it fact, it actually supports it! The increase in GW does not follow a linear curve; it has irregularly-spaced humps and dips in it. Although it's true that surface ocean water has cooled a little since 2003, it pales into insignificance compared with the overall temperature rise, the oceans are significantly warmer than they were thirty years ago. An understanding of basic scientific principles would cause me to expect ocean levels to fall if there was a genuine overall cooling, instead, they're rising due to GW-induced thermal expansion and the melting of ice.

Perhaps both you gentlemen were kept in the dark about the plight of the people of Vanuatu; they're desperately trying to get a nation to take them as refugees because their island homeland is disappearing underwater due to GW. I thought this was global news, am I to understand that this never reached American ears?

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46. Comment #23836 by kkant on March 3, 2007 at 5:38 am

It's not Falwell's position on Global Warming per se which is scary. What's scary is the reasons he gives for taking that position. "Satan is misleading us from evangelism", and "Jesus is going to take care of the Earth, until he returns." His followers don't give a damn about the subject under discussion. They want to hear the dogma: Jesus and Satan and Fire and Brimstone. Falwell can put any injunction he wants in between those buzzwords, and they'll submit to his direction.

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47. Comment #23837 by Yorker on March 3, 2007 at 5:54 am

"The jury is still out"

More Falwell nonsense. The fundie jury may still be out - it probably always will be - but the real jury made up of sane scientists returned its verdict a few weeks ago.

Global Warming like evolution, is a fact.


I just did a little research and found that NASA scientists now think that melting ice may be becoming the dominant factor in sea-level rise which would account for recent ocean cooling, although cooling dips have been noticed on a decadal basis. The general ocean temperature trend is of course, still rising.

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48. Comment #23845 by captain underpants on March 3, 2007 at 7:08 am

scooternyc said

Global Warming is nothing more than politics attempting to create hysteria in order to tax our dollars even further.

...


There's nothing like people spouting off about a subject for which they've done none of their own personal research into any of the facts

If you really are interested in doing some personal research I suggest you have a look at

http://illconsidered.blogspot.com/2006/02/how-to-talk-to-global-warming-sceptic.html

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49. Comment #23848 by Mikado on March 3, 2007 at 7:21 am

Yorker, please inform the people of Vanuatu:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5169448.stm

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50. Comment #23857 by Yorker on March 3, 2007 at 8:09 am

Mikado:

Please try to refute me with up to date references, that link is old. I dislike people who insult my intelligence by thinking I would post nonsense I couldn't back up. Channel 4 in the UK spent a week of evening programs showing the the plight of Vanuatu.

If you need further education try this link published TODAY!

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0830-07.htm

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