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Friday, March 9, 2007 | Reason : Backlash | print version Print | Comments

Document The Archbishop whose words came from same hymnsheet as a Marxist

by Jack Malvern, Times Online

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article1494951.ece

bishopPlagiarism may not be the most holy of pastimes, but an Australian archbishop has been accused of passing off the arguments of Terry Eagleton as his own in a desperate attempt to fend off nonbelievers.

Seeking to refute Richard Dawkins's polemic against all religion, set out in The God Delusion, Mark Coleridge, the Archbishop of Canberra and Goulburn, turned to the most unlikely of sources.

He allegedly copied, or closely paraphrased, six passages written by the British intellectual Terry Eagleton, the literary critic and an unrepentent Marxist revolutionary, in a review of Dawkins's bestseller.

Professor Eagleton, whose review appeared in November in the London Review of Books, wrote: "Believing in God, whatever Dawkins might think, is not like concluding that aliens or the tooth fairy exist."

Archbishop Coleridge wrote in The Australian in February: "Believing in God is not, as Dawkins seems to think, like concluding that there is alien life or that the tooth fairy exists."

Even Professor Eagleton's conclusion, that Dawkins may "have avoided being the second most frequently mentioned individual in his book — if you count God as an individual", is almost identical. Archbishop Coleridge concludes in his article: "Dawkins himself is the second most frequently mentioned person in the book [God is number one, if you count God as a person]".

Professor Eagleton, of Manchester University, told The Times of his surprise that his work had inspired so senior a churchman. "It does sound as thought he has coolly lifted my review," he said. "It looks like straight plagiarism." He thought that it would have been "wise and prudent" of the Archbishop to rely on more than one source, and said that he would be keen to speak to him. "Perhaps I should ask if I can be of help for any future reviews he is doing," he said.

The Age newspaper e-mailed Archbishop Coleridge in an attempt to contact him but was told that, although he would have seen the e-mail, the archbishop was travelling and would be unable to respond.

The Australian has apologised for printing a review with "some similar content" to Professor Eagleton's work.

The archbishop does credit the professor at one point during the article, but does not acknowledge that he has paraphrased a further six passages.

Professor Eagleton said that he did not intend to take any formal action through the courts. "I suppose, if the paper has apologised, that is it."

Archbishop Coleridge was ordained as a priest at St Patrick's Cathedral in Melbourne in 1974, according to The Agearticle. He was promoted to the Canberra Diocese in June.

Coincidence?

" Faith, rather like love, must involve factual knowledge, it is not reducible to it. For my claim to love you to be coherent, I must be able to explain what it is about you that justifies it" Prof Eagleton, Nov 2006

" But like love, faith is not reducible to factual knowledge. To love you I must know a good deal about you and even be able to explain to a certain point why I love you" Archbishop Coleridge, Feb 2007

" Dawkins speaks scoffingly of a personal God, as though it were entirely obvious exactly what this might mean" Eagleton

" Dawkins scorns the notion of a personal God, though his understanding of what this means is entirely one-dimensional" Coleridge

" He might also have avoided being the second most frequently mentioned individual in his book – if you count God as an individual" Eagleton

" In fact, Dawkins himself is the second most frequently mentioned person in the book [God is number one, if you count God as a person]" Coleridge

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1. Comment #25044 by DavidJMH on March 9, 2007 at 9:40 pm

Ladies and Gentlemen,
As these two gentlemen seem equally deluded, it is only fitting that they should play with each other.

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2. Comment #25045 by CDG on March 9, 2007 at 9:45 pm

What Irony. The Archbishop is living proof as to how the bible was written. Steal a little from here, a little from there, let it come from some pseduo athortiarian figure and POOF. Its Gospel! After a few thousand years this shit still goes on...

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3. Comment #25052 by MIND_REBEL on March 9, 2007 at 11:24 pm

 avatarUnreal, just horrific. First, the Catholic Church outlaws condons in Africa, now, this.

When people don't protect themselves from Memes, Memes will protect themselves from people AKA rationiality.

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4. Comment #25055 by karlJ on March 10, 2007 at 12:09 am

 avatarArch-my-ass!
Look at the picture!
Isn't he doing that hard rock devil sign with his index and little finger? I'm sure he would be head banging next if it was moving pictures. This is clearly from a rock concert for older gents. Guessing the stones..

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5. Comment #25063 by John the Atheist on March 10, 2007 at 1:21 am

 avatarPardon the expression, but pride goeth before the fall.

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6. Comment #25069 by Ilovelucy on March 10, 2007 at 2:05 am

 avatarIt's interesting to see that the Catholic church operates like any other political system, replace spin doctors, civil servants and speech writers with a feckless chain of anointed Vatican scribes and you get the same thing. Other priests researched reviews of The God Delusion, info was collated and the speech was written, proof read and edited, finally the Archbishop went through it with his advisers and decided which personal syntactic tweaks would best suit his own oratory style. The spirit of Nicea lives on.

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7. Comment #25078 by The author on March 10, 2007 at 3:09 am

 avatarSomehow many of you do forget that marxism is an atheist ideology and that Eagleton is an atheist as well. He is not deluded at all, he just wrote a bad review. I think everyone is free to write one bad article in his life, don't you?

Eagleton only defends theology because he sometimes quotes the very best this subject has produces so far, which is a little bit of acceptable philosophy. And it seems as if he knew some nice theologians.

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8. Comment #25089 by Corylus on March 10, 2007 at 4:15 am

 avatarWhoops! Looks like someone has landed their little selves in the excrement! Mind you, he's an archbishop, so he could always cite Ecclesiastes 1:9 in his defence:

"What has been is what will be, and what has been done is what will be done; there is nothing new under the sun." ;-)

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9. Comment #25097 by stevencarrwork on March 10, 2007 at 5:33 am

'Somehow many of you do forget that marxism is an atheist ideology and that Eagleton is an atheist as well.'

Where does Eagleton say he does not believe in God?

The Archbishop does definitely believe in God and also in Tom Lehrer 'plagiarise, plagiarise, let no one's work evade your eyes'.

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10. Comment #25099 by BaronOchs on March 10, 2007 at 5:39 am

 avatar stevencarrwork I recall (from times past) reading a book called Catholic Lives by Greg Watts. One of the books unlikely believers (along with conrad black, a former gangster, and the director of the birmingham royal ballet) was Terry Eagleton "The Marxist Historian" if I can trust my memory at all. I'd like to find the book just to check. I seem to recall he writes in the liberal catholic journal "The Tablet" also.

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11. Comment #25109 by ExGodBotherer on March 10, 2007 at 6:38 am

 avatarWhat with all the concern about plagiarism amongst students and the supposed need for the clergy to set an example we have an example here of 'do as I say but not as I do'
...
hi, my first post... my moniker is because I was brought up a Catholic, something I have not inflicted on my three unbaptised children!

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12. Comment #25144 by Shuggy on March 10, 2007 at 11:32 am

 avatar" He might also have avoided being the second most frequently mentioned individual in his book – if you count God as an individual" Eagleton

" In fact, Dawkins himself is the second most frequently mentioned person in the book [God is number one, if you count God as a person]" Coleridge

Coleridge even seems to have forgotten he is a Trinitarian, which would put RD fourth.

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13. Comment #25174 by The author on March 10, 2007 at 4:42 pm

 avatarI think I found the key explanation of why Terry Eagleton wrote this review:

But although his Marxism had supplanted his Christianity, he acknowledges "there is still the old Joycean question of how far you can walk away from something culturally imprinted on you so deeply. And I still enormously value much of the culture that I inherited, and many of the people.

http://education.guardian.co.uk/academicexperts/story/0,1392,643458,00.html

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14. Comment #25183 by BathTub on March 10, 2007 at 5:42 pm

Presumably god was just speaking to the Archbishop through Terry Eagleton.

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15. Comment #25220 by Will in Aus on March 11, 2007 at 4:41 am

 avatarWell well well, looks like they don't reinforce the necessity to cite sources of information in the ministry. Perhaps the Archbishop would benefit from some scientific education; it would solve his plagiarism problems, and perhaps his religious delusions as well........

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16. Comment #25262 by ridelo on March 11, 2007 at 11:49 am

Comment #25063:about your avatar

An old catholic joke here went: "If Christ had been drowned in stead of crucified we now had to hang small aquariums on our walls."

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17. Comment #25639 by mic_anders on March 14, 2007 at 12:33 pm

Surely RD was after the trinity, Thomas Jefferson and (Sir) Douglas Adams?

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18. Comment #86015 by Yussy on November 7, 2007 at 8:36 pm

What a blow to the Church. The Pope must be quaking in his shoes.

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