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Monday, March 26, 2007 | Reason : Children and Religion | print version Print | Comments

Document The Case for Teaching The Bible

by David Van Biema

Reposted from:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1601845,00.html

Thanks to Scott "Felder" for sending this in.

Miss Kendrick came ready, with props. The day's topic was the Gospel of Matthew. "You can divide all the Beatitudes into two parts," Jennifer Kendrick explained to her teenage audience. "The 'Blessed are the whatevers,' like 'the meek,' and then the reward they will get. So I've made some puzzle pieces here." She passed out construction-paper sheets, each bearing either the name of a virtuous group or its reward, in black marker. "And you've got to find the person who has the other half. What's the first one in the Bible?"

"The poor in spirit," mumbled a crew-cut boy.

"O.K. What goes with the poor in spirit?"

A girl in the front of the room replied, reading from her sheet, "For they will see God."

"Nope," chirped Kendrick. "O.K., find the person that matches yours. I'll take the roll."

By which she meant an official attendance roll. Because the day was Thursday, not Sunday. And the location was not Oakwood Baptist Church, a mile down Texas State Highway 46, but New Braunfels High School, a public school that began offering a Bible-literacy class last fall. The class has its share of conservative Christians. Front-row center sat Rachel Williams, 18, whose mother does teach Sunday school at Oakwood. But not 20 ft. away sat a blond atheist who asked that her name not be used because she hasn't outed herself to her parents. Why take a Bible class? I asked her. "Some of my friends are Christian," she said, shrugging, "and they would argue about, like, whether you can be a Christian and believe in evolution, and I'm like, Okaaaay ... clueless." Williams signed up for a similar reason. "If somebody is going to carry on a sophisticated conversation with me, I would rather know what they're talking about than look like a moron or fight my way through it," she says. The class has "gotten a lot of positive feedback," she adds. "It's going to really rise in popularity."

The same might be said about public-school courses on the Bible nationwide. There aren't that many. But they're rising in popularity. Last year Georgia became the first state in memory to offer funds for high school electives on the Old and New Testaments using the Bible as the core text. Similar funding was discussed in several other legislatures, although the initiatives did not become law. Meanwhile, two privately produced curriculums crafted specifically to pass church-state muster are competing for use in individual schools nationwide. Combined, they are employed in 460 districts in at least 37 states. The numbers are modest, but their publishers expect them to soar. The smaller of the two went into operation just last year but is already into its second 10,000-copy printing, has expressions of interest from a thousand new districts this year and expects many more. The larger publisher claims to be roughly doubling the number of districts it adds each year. These new curriculums plus polls suggesting that over 60% of Americans favor secular teaching about the Bible suggest that a Miss Kendrick may soon be talking about Matthew in a school near you.

To some, this idea seems retrograde. Citing a series of Supreme Court decisions culminating in 1963's Abington Township School District v. Schempp, which removed prayer and devotion from the classroom, the skeptics ask whether it is safe to bring back the source of all that sectarianism. But a new, post-Schempp coalition insists it is essential to do so. It argues that teaching the Bible in schools--as an object of study, not God's received word--is eminently constitutional. The Bible so pervades Western culture, it says, that it's hard to call anyone educated who hasn't at least given thought to its key passages. Finally, it claims that the current civic climate makes it a "now more than ever" proposition. Says Stephen Prothero, chair of the Boston University religion department, whose new book, Religious Literacy (Harper SanFrancisco), presents a compelling argument for Bible-literacy courses: "In the late '70s, [students] knew nothing about religion, and it didn't matter. But then religion rushed into the public square. What purpose could it possibly serve for citizens to be ignorant of all that?" The "new consensus" for secular Bible study argues that knowledge of it is essential to being a full-fledged, well-rounded citizen. Let's examine that argument.

Is it constitutional?

TOWARD THE BEGINNING OF THE COURT'S string of school-secularization cases, the most eloquent language preserving the neutral study of religion was probably Justice Robert Jackson's concurring opinion in the 1948 case McCollum v. Board of Education: "One can hardly respect the system of education that would leave the student wholly ignorant of the currents of religious thought that move the world society for ... which he is being prepared," Jackson wrote, and warned that putting all references to God off limits would leave public education "in shreds." In the 1963 Schempp decision, the exemption for secular study of Scripture was explicit and in the majority opinion: "Nothing we have said here indicates that such study of the Bible or of religion, when presented objectively as part of a secular program of education, may not be effected consistently with the First Amendment," wrote Justice Tom C. Clark. Justice Arthur Goldberg contributed a helpful distinction between "the teaching of religion" (bad) and "teaching about religion" (good). Citing these and subsequent cases, Marc Stern, general counsel for the American Jewish Congress, says, "It is beyond question that it is possible to teach a course about the Bible that is constitutional." For over a decade, he says, any legal challenges to school Bible courses have focused not on the general principle but on whether the course in question was sufficiently neutral in its approach.

Why should I care?

HERE IS ONE OF PROTHERO'S FAVORITE stories of Bible ignorance. In 1995 a federal appeals court upheld the overturn of a death sentence in a Colorado kidnap-rape-murder case because jurors had inappropriately brought in extraneous material--Bibles--for an unsanctioned discussion of the Exodus verse "an eye for eye, tooth for tooth ... whoever ... kills a man shall be put to death." The Christian group Focus on the Family complained, "It is a sad day when the Bible is banned from the jury room." Who's most at fault here? The jurors, who perhaps hadn't noticed that in the Gospel of Matthew Jesus rejects the eye-for-an-eye rule, word for word, in favor of turning the other cheek? The Focus spokesman, who may well have known of Jesus' repudiation of the old law but chose to ignore it? Or any liberal who didn't know enough to bring it up?

According to Religious Literacy, polls show that nearly two-thirds of Americans believe the Bible holds the answers to "all or most of life's basic questions," but pollster George Gallup has dubbed us "a nation of biblical illiterates." Only half of U.S. adults know the title of even one Gospel. Most can't name the Bible's first book. The trend extends even to Evangelicals, only 44% of whose teens could identify a particular quote as coming from the Sermon on the Mount.

So what? I'm not a very religious person

SIMPLY PUT, THE BIBLE IS THE MOST influential book ever written. Not only is the Bible the best-selling book of all time, it is the best-selling book of the year every year. In a 1992 survey of English teachers to determine the top-10 required "book-length works" in high school English classes, plays by Shakespeare occupied three spots and the Bible none. And yet, let's compare the two: Beauty of language: Shakespeare, by a nose. Depth of subject matter: toss-up. Breadth of subject matter: the Bible. Numbers published, translated etc: Bible. Number of people martyred for: Bible. Number of wars attributed to: Bible. Solace and hope provided to billions: you guessed it. And Shakespeare would almost surely have agreed. According to one estimate, he alludes to Scripture some 1,300 times. As for the rest of literature, when your seventh-grader reads The Old Man and the Sea, a teacher could tick off the references to Christ's Passion--the bleeding of the old man's palms, his stumbles while carrying his mast over his shoulder, his hat cutting his head--but wouldn't the thrill of recognition have been more satisfying on their/own?

If literature doesn't interest you, you also need the Bible to make sense of the ideas and rhetoric that have helped drive U.S. history. "The shining city on the hill"? That's Puritan leader John Winthrop quoting Matthew to describe his settlement's convenantal standing with God. In his Second Inaugural Address, Abraham Lincoln noted sadly that both sides in the Civil War "read the same Bible" to bolster their opposing claims. When Martin Luther King Jr. talked of "Justice rolling down like waters" in his "I Have a Dream" speech, he was consciously enlisting the Old Testament prophet Amos, who first spoke those words. The Bible provided the argot--and theological underpinnings--of women's suffrage and prison-reform movements.

And then there is today's political rhetoric. For a while, secular liberals complained that when George W. Bush went all biblical, he was speaking in code. Recently, the Democratic Party seems to have come around to the realization that a lot of grass-roots Democrats welcome such use. Without the Bible and a few imposing secular sources, we face a numbing horizontality in our culture--blogs, political announcements, ads. The world is flat, sure. But Scripture is among our few means to make it deep.

Doesn't secular teaching about the Bible play into the hands of the religious right and the secular left?

YES. BOTH. WHICH MAY SUGGEST THAT EACH is exaggerating its claim. Fundamentalist pastor John Hagee has complained that The Bible and Its Influence, a curriculum Kendrick uses in her class, could "greatly damage" youth too callow to "decipher" what he called its misrepresentations of Scripture. He cited its observation that contrary to Christianity, "other origin stories tell of ... gods who themselves are created." Hagee thundered that this could convince a student that polytheism is as valid as monotheism. But evangelical pundit Chuck Colson favors Bible-literacy courses. "Would I prefer a more explicitly biblical Christian teaching?" he asks. "Of course. But you can't do that in public education. What you can do is introduce the Bible so that people are aware of its impact on people and in history and then let God speak through it as he will."

First Amendment sentinels like Wendy Kaminer, a lawyer and the author of Sleeping with Extra-Terrestrials: The Rise of Irrationalism and the Perils of Piety, fear that given America's overwhelmingly Christian cast, even neutral Bible instruction would amount to preferencing. "If you teach the Bible outside of close conjunction with other religions," she says, "then it becomes a kind of promotion of the majority faith. It becomes too hard for most folks to draw the line between teaching and preaching." Yet the American Jewish Congress's Stern, who has participated in Supreme Court establishment-clause-violation cases, sees Bible class as a plus for anyone following in his footsteps. "Take creationism," he offers. "Unless you are literate in the first two chapters of Genesis, you have no idea what people are fighting about."

All such discussion, of course, assumes that the two sides of the culture wars are duking it out over impressionable young minds. Prothero rejects the premise. He says he has never seen a Bible-literacy course change anyone's faith one way or another. "I think the academic study of religion provides a kind of middle space between those two ways of talking. It takes the biblical truth claims seriously and yet brackets them for purposes of classroom discussion," he says. "It works in a way that feels safe to both the believer and the unbeliever in the room." And people are "tired of the culture wars," he insists. "There's a broad middle who want to do something productive."

So who are the leaders of this movement?

DECADES AFTER THE Schempp DECISION, most school administrators, lawsuit-averse by nature, had eliminated almost any treatment of religion. Then during the evangelical renaissance of the 1990s, a theologically conservative North Carolina group called the National Council on Bible Curriculum in Public Schools compiled an outline for Bible courses. The curriculums reached the attention of Charles Haynes, a senior scholar at the First Amendment Center, based in Arlington, Va., who favored teaching about religion in school but didn't think what he was looking at passed constitutional muster. He composed a document, The Bible and Public Schools: A First Amendment Guide, that accomplished two crucial things: it provided bright-line standards on what the law allowed and collected endorsements from so broad a base of advocates (the American Jewish Committee, the Council on Islamic Education, the National Association of Evangelicals and the liberal watchdog group People for the American Way, to name a few) that even the most nervous school board could find what he calls "safe harbor" for a course teaching about the Bible.

Haynes also brought in Chuck Stetson, who wanted to take the next step: a secularly acceptable Bible textbook. Stetson's religious credentials alarm church-state separationists. He is a graduate of Colson's Wilberforce Centurion project, a study group pledged to "restore our culture by effectively thinking, teaching and advocating the Christian world view as applied to all of life." Yet he claims his commitment to his textbook's constitutionality determined its secularity. In late 2005 he unveiled The Bible and Its Influence, which was vetted by 40 religious and legal scholars, including Jews, Protestants and a Roman Catholic bishop. Meant to be read alongside a Bible, the book's 373 oversize pages provide a clearly written--if selective--theme-and-style analysis of key passages in most of the biblical books. Its sidebars--"Cultural Connections," "Historical Connections"--do much of the heavy lifting in transforming a Bible commentary into a textbook.

It seems more legally palatable than its competition. The National Council on Bible Curriculum in Public Schools, which has offered its curriculum since 1993, claims a bigger market (382 schools in 37 states) than the newcomer (85 school districts in 30 states). But its 1999 edition reportedly recommended materials from something called the Creation Evidence Museum; a "question for reflection" in the 2005 version suggested that the logistics of Noah's Ark would have been more manageable if some of the animals were babies or hibernating. In 2002 a Florida district court ruled unconstitutional a course that critics claim was loosely based on its New Testament portion (the Council denies a connection). Its spokespeople claim it is refining itself as it goes and its most recent edition, which came out last month, eliminates much literalist bias--but still devotes 18 lines to the blatantly unscientific notion that the earth is only 6,000 years old.

Some secularists are worried about who will teach the literacy classes. Joe Conn and Rob Boston of Americans United for the Separation of Church and State have expressed a concern about how teachers willing to give the Bible secular treatment would be found, particularly in states where vast majorities are evangelical. They note that Stetson's history sections are almost exclusively positive. "A textbook should offer objective study about both the positive and negative uses of the Bible," Conn writes. "Where is the analysis of the role of the Bible in the Inquisition or the Salem witch trials?" They specifically question the tone of a final section, "Freedom and Faith in America," which omits the high court's school-secularization rulings and ends on a truly odd note: a Chinese social scientist attributing the "pre-eminence of the West" to the fact that the "heart of your culture is ... your Christianity." Unlike most of the book, this seems written by Stetson the true believer who took Colson's Centurion program.

A modest proposal

A BASIC QUESTION: WHY TEACH THE BIBLE and not comparative religion? It may not be necessary to provide Islam, Buddhism or Hinduism with equal time, but it seems misguided to ignore faiths that millions of Americans practice each day; and a glance at the headlines further argues for an omnibus course. Yet could a school demand that its already overloaded kids take one elective if they take the other? Concerns about whether a Bible Belt Christian teacher could in good conscience teach a religiously neutral Bible course also plagued me. Was high school Bible study one of those great ideas that vaporizes when exposed to air?

I visited New Braunfels high in early February. Jennifer Kendrick is committed to The Bible and Its Influence, but as a starting point rather than a blueprint. "It gives me ways to approach the topic, and then I put together something else," she says. She's unconvinced of its impartiality. "It will bring up Catholicism and mention Gandhi, but you can tell it's written as if I am a Protestant Christian teaching Protestant Christians."

Actually, she is a conservative Protestant. But her students don't know that, and nothing in the class I saw suggested it. Kendrick aces the compulsories--notes John Locke's use of the Beatitudes and Frank Zappa's riffs on "the meek shall inherit the earth," and ponders why various politicians have found it more convenient to attribute the "city on a hill" to Winthrop rather than to Matthew. When a student asks how Jesus could say the meek shall inherit the earth, when Christianity inherited it only after attaining tremendous strength, she suggests, "When he was giving the sermon, people took it not just as a physical award but an emotional or spiritual kind of award. Later on, when they became more powerful, say, in the Crusades or something, they weren't trying to inherit the earth. They were trying to take it over." Explaining why Jesus' famous sermon took place on a mount, she reminds the students that Matthew was writing for Jews, and a mount is where Moses received the Ten Commandments. "So, supposedly," she says, "Jesus is the new covenant, the new law, for the Jewish people."

She gives over much of the class to a Socratic symposium on Jesus' simplest yet most difficult sayings, which reveals a lot about the class's earnest attempts to make sense of rather disparate worlds. "'Turn the other cheek'--Does that mean we're supposed to let them hit you on the other cheek too?" she asks. A boy answers, "You should, you know, just take what's coming. It's not like if someone hits you. If someone doesn't give you the right change back, you shouldn't come back looking for a fight." A girl argues that it is more of an ideal than a mandate. "So it's a guideline," asks Kendrick, "and you apply it to the situation and see what fits?" This, in turn, upsets a girl in the third row, who asks, "Does that mean that the Ten Commandments are exceptions?"

Kendrick: "That they're literal?"

Everyone: "Yes!"

Trying to make sense of both this consensus and his possible future, an ROTC cadet notes, "Some people say, 'Thou shalt not kill' is really 'Thou shalt not murder,' and in Ecclesiastes it says, 'There's a time for war and a time for peace.'"

I could find little to object to here and much to admire. Here was a conservative teacher going way beyond The Bible and Its Influence, but not in a predictable direction. She name-checked the Crusades, avoided faith declarations and treated the Bible as a living document to be pored over rather than blindly accepted. She even managed to fit in other faiths. Moving on through the Sermon on the Mount, she pulled out another sheaf of papers. "So I'm gonna give these examples of Golden Rules from different cultures. Read 'em and share 'em with the class." They ran from Buddhism to Baha'i. And most did sound a lot alike. Shouted one girl: "The Golden Rule remix!"

One successful class teaching the Bible as an academic subject hardly guarantees that it will work every time or everywhere. But Kendrick shows that it can work. "Bad courses will be taught," predicts Prothero, sitting in his B.U. office with the inscription Sans Dieu Rien--Without God, Nothing--carved above the fireplace. (True to his nonsectarian position, he calls its presence "a coincidence. This used to be a private house.") "People will teach it as a Sunday-school class. And we'll do what we always do when unconstitutional stuff happens in America. We'll get a court to tell us what to do, and then we'll fix it."

Prothero may be overly sanguine about the workings of the U.S. court system. But even if he's wrong, this shouldn't stop schools from making some effort to teach the Bible. The study doesn't have to be mandatory. In a national school system overscheduled with basic skills, other topics such as history and literature deserve core status more than Scripture--provided that these classes address it themselves, where appropriate. But if an elective is offered, it should be twinned mandatorily with a world religions course, even if that would mean just a semester of each. Within that period students could be expected to read and discuss Genesis, the Gospel of Matthew, a few Moses-on-the-mountain passages and two of Paul's letters. No one should take the course but juniors and seniors. The Bible's harmful as well as helpful uses must be addressed, which could be done by acknowledging that religious conservatives see the problems as stemming from the abuse of the holy text, while others think the text itself may be the culprit. The course should have a strong accompanying textbook on the model of The Bible and Its Influence but one that is willing to deal a bit more bluntly with the historical warts. And some teacher training is a must: at a bare minimum, about their constitutional obligations.

And, oh yes, there should be one faith test. Faith in our country. Sure, there will be bumps along the way. But in the end, what is required in teaching about the Bible in our public schools is patriotism: a belief that we live in a nation that understands the wisdom of its Constitution clearly enough to allow the most important book in its history to remain vibrantly accessible for everyone.

David Van Biema is TIME's senior religion writer. His first cover story on the topic ran in 1996

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1. Comment #27756 by John P on March 26, 2007 at 2:56 pm

 avatarWhat public schools need, far more than classes on the Old and New Testaments, is classes on rationalism, logic and, dare I say it, atheism. Classes that teach kids to think, to use their brains. Not classes that make them memorize passages from the Bible.

On the other hand, a truly honest, secular approach to the Bible, one that teaches it, warts and all, highlighting its historical premises, pointing out its inconsistencies, may be just the remedy for rampant religious ignorance in this country. But who would teach it?

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2. Comment #27757 by Steven Mading on March 26, 2007 at 3:10 pm

The fear I'd have with such a class, if I imagine my younger self having been enrolled in it is the utter incompatability between being honest and being polite to believers. It's one thing to make people literate about ancient myths nobody in the class will be a believer in - like teaching about the ancient greek pantheon for example - for the sake of basic cultural literacy. But when it comes to the bible, I just can't imagine a class where honest inquiry, like "hey, wait, this part contradicts that part" would be tolarated by the believers. And so it's not possible to teach the bible as a work of literature without getting too close to that fuzzy line between the desired goal of tolerance of a religion and the despicable goal of mandatory respectfulness and uncritical speech toward a religion.

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3. Comment #27760 by relevo on March 26, 2007 at 3:20 pm

Teaching the bible is too specialized a matter, akin to having a class on Kantian philosophy, for example. It's simply not something that should be in high school. I could understand something more like comparative religions, logic, or mythology in ancient literature, but to specifically teach bible is too much of a special preference for religion. I can understand having such a class at a university, but as it stands, it's a subversive tact on the part of politicians to pander to a religious constituency, which of course is a violation of the establishment clause. Here's to getting one step closer to Christian Sharia theocratic society.

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4. Comment #27762 by Spinoza on March 26, 2007 at 3:27 pm

 avatarI don't think it should be its own class.

I think there should be high-school electives for the English requirement where you can choose to read sections from one of any of the major canons of the world's religions, and/or write a comparative summary, critical analysis, or literary paper on it... It should be an English class... and I'd have no problem if my kids were interested... I have ALWAYS been an atheist, and I read the entire bible when I was 9. I know more about the damned book than most religious people I know, and we should not be afraid that knowledge of the Bible will corrupt our atheist children, if we start talking like that, we're no better than the crazy religious nuts.

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5. Comment #27763 by jayalenik on March 26, 2007 at 3:32 pm

 avatar"What the hell is it with these people and that fucking book"

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6. Comment #27766 by sbhatti on March 26, 2007 at 3:34 pm

As long as the kid is not pressured to feel one way or another I think this is great!

If people actually read the bible, especially in the context of their other classes such as computers, physics and history -- I think we'd have far fewer theists.

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7. Comment #27768 by Shuggy on March 26, 2007 at 3:38 pm

 avatar"And, oh yes, there should be one faith test. Faith in our country."
Oh you Americans! As if patriotism, unlike religion, was value-free. How would that quotation play out in Dusseldorf in 1933?

Teach the Bible? Maybe, IF you give equal time to the Qu'ran and the Bhagavad Gita and the Tao Te Ching ...

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8. Comment #27772 by PaulJ on March 26, 2007 at 4:02 pm

 avatarIn principle I'm in favour of teaching the Bible -- in English class. It is a core part of western culture and should be studied, along with Shakespeare, Chaucer, et al.

I'm reminded of Philip Pullman (author of the His Dark Materials trilogy) when on the BBC's Desert Island Discs Sue Lawley asked which book he would take with him to the island, in addition to Shakespeare and the Bible. "But I suppose you won't want the Bible, given your views on religion?" (Pullman is an atheist.)

"Oh yes," he said. "There are lots of good stories in the Bible."

[Note: these quotes are from memory, and unlikely to be precisely accurate.]

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9. Comment #27773 by jayalenik on March 26, 2007 at 4:04 pm

 avatarSuggy I agree, we americans can seem a kooky bunch. I think its time for some new books. I have been an atheist all of my post childhood life, but until I read Dawkins/ Harris/ etc I didn't surf alot of atheist sites. I have been having a hell of a good time, laughing at the theists and all. But , I have noticed that a great deal of the posts from atheists on all the sites seem to do alot of bible quoting. Since I come from a secular jewish family the bible wasn"t a big thing growing up. Does anyone else see this or am I delusional.

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10. Comment #27775 by kcjerith on March 26, 2007 at 4:20 pm

"I just can't imagine a class where honest inquiry, like "hey, wait, this part contradicts that part" would be tolarated by the believers."

I have taken Civ I, which is a basic humanities/history ( I have no idea if they call it that every where else) class at KU. Almost always people come down rather hard on the bible, and rightfully so. Yes the believers in the class got pissy, but oh well, though we had a wonderful professor so maybe this would not be every ones experience. Also the Time article refers to high schools, but i would like to think class discussions could be critical of the bible.

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11. Comment #27776 by TedGrant on March 26, 2007 at 4:27 pm

I read the Bible recently - all of it - and I should point out that unless certain passages are removed, then I don't think it should be read by anyone under the age of 18 and therefore it should have an 18 warning sticker and placed on the top shelf (adult only) section in bookshops. If you think this too severe, then read Deuteronomy chapter 25 verses 11 and 12. If that doesn't convince you then try the first Epistle to Timothy chapter 2 verses 11-15. I would quote them here, except a child may be reading this comment.

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12. Comment #27778 by Shatite on March 26, 2007 at 4:47 pm

 avatarIt is no secret that the U.S. is at the moment overwhelmingly Christian and numerous times has our Constitution been violated by zealots taking advantage of this popularity.

That said, I am convinced that most "Christians" living in the country today are mainly if not specifically associated with it simply because they believe in God. They are then, in my opinion, associating that single belief with the religion that is most familiar to them and so it perpetuates like a plague to successive generations who are taught that faith is more important than knowledge.

The overwhelming ignorance of what exactly is in the Bible and even the most basic tenants of the religion such as the ten commandments seem to substantiate this, in my view at least. Though it may be a small sample of the population, I have personally seen and known many people to espouse Christianity yet seem uninterested in actually reading the Bible. Those that do seem to focus on only the "positive" aspects of it and cherry pick what rules which they will abide. It also seems that many people who try to interpret their dogma in efforts to coincide with science only do so to fulfill a psychological need to believe.

Unfortunately, Christianity and religious revivalism have taken such a hold on this country that the question of whether or not one believes in god is automatically assumed to be synonymous with whether or not one is a Christian. Throw in some revisionist history, a lack of education, and especially the sheep mentality bred in Church and you have ingredients for what we now face.

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13. Comment #27780 by phil rimmer on March 26, 2007 at 4:59 pm

 avatar"Philosophy for children" is a broad educational movement to be found in the US, Europe and elsewhere. The aim is to promote thinking skills, the analytical power of reason and the pure pleasure of having some kind of interior mental life.

Check out the US scene here-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_For_Children and subsequent links.

Note the shrivelling of funding for these fantastic programs in schools over the last two decades.

In the UK, if you can receive Teachers TV, check out their program on "P4C" on 8th April at 16:30.

A friend, who is a teacher, tried some of this material on his class. The results were gratifying. Kids younger than 12 would happily grapple with moral dilemmas (for instance). In so doing they would clarify their own moral tenets, see the huge areas of commonality with others but also see that the process could never be finished with, and that such deliberations should be the stuff of their everyday mental lives.

This stuff is dangerous, however. My own kids, who greatly enjoyed some sessions at home, delight in highlighting my own inconsistencies and hypocrisies.

Learning about religions is great Learning from a religion is terrible. The problem is as much about vocabulary as anything else. Without neutral concepts and vocabulary, clear thinking tools are not in place. Words like evil, sin and redemption cannot be helpful to a child first coming to grips with ideas about morality. They encourage a swift, thoughtless despatching of the problems of the world, cloaking their true natures and potential solutions.

I would love to see taught that dogma is the least moral response we can make to a problem because it denies the use of our only moral tool, our brain.

I would love to see money spent on this before any is spent on the above. Lets get the sequence right.

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14. Comment #27784 by tomjlawson on March 26, 2007 at 5:34 pm

 avatarCould it be that people are religious because they haven't read their own book? After all, one key method to remain religious is to avoid reading anything contradictory to your beliefs.

I cannot help but remember the atheist debate, sans atheist, on CNN where the reverend said that they should go back to the way it was in the 18th c. by teaching the bible in schools. Well, Reverend, you're getting your wish, but I'm sorry it's not going to be "taught" the way you had hoped.

I see this as a total win-win for both sides, and I hope the atheists in the US and Canada don't fight it because this is the perfect thing - a Trojan horse.

"There is nothing like the faint sound of millions of foreheads being smacked..."

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15. Comment #27785 by MelM on March 26, 2007 at 5:38 pm

Note that the article is from April 2, 2007 Time Magazine--a big deal in the U.S.

"Bible Literacy" is yet another Trojan Horse! Fanatics cashing in on the noise and controversy created by the fanatics themselves:
"Take creationism," he offers. "Unless enthusiasticyou are literate in the first two chapters of Genesis, you have no idea what people are fighting about."


Here are the organizations:
National Council of Bible Curriculum
http://www.bibleinschools.net/sdm.asp
Claims 382 school districts in 37 states.
"The Bible was the foundation and blueprint for our Constitution, Declaration of Independence, educational system, and our entire history until the last 20 to 30 years"
...
"The world is watching to see if we will be motivated to impact our culture, to deal with the moral crises in our society, and reclaim our families and children."



and

Bible Literacy Project
http://www.bibleliteracy.org/Site/index2.htm
Claims 83 school districts in 30 states--in 18 months.
"Through your own children and friends is there a local principal, teacher, curriculum developer, superintendent, or school board member who would be interested in considering our curriculum? All we are asking for is a few minutes of your time and influence."

It'll provide an easy target for wingnut churches to instruct their wingnut kids on how to dominate the class and make fiendly contacts amount the other kids for the purpose of recruiting them later. Hell, even an enthusiastic teacher is a recruiting tool of great power.

I think the proper place for teaching about religion is in history classes or in a current events type social studies class. Americans should recognize the real intentions of "Bible Literacy" classes.

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16. Comment #27789 by Fedler on March 26, 2007 at 5:59 pm

 avatarThis truly took me back when I first read it. The Bible as a secular document? Can't be….

But there is potential. The Bible has had tremendous influence, both good and bad, which shouldn't go unrecognized. Should there be a warning sticker as mentioned by TedGrant (#11)? You bet. Could this really open it up to critical analysis. Surely. But, it's a fine line, also. Given the nature of religion in the United States, I believe this class is more of an anomaly and I can easily see more classes deteriorate into religious belief classes rather than critical bible study classes. As phil rimmer states (#13) "Learning about religions is great. Learning from a religion is terrible." Perhaps I'm being pessimistic, but I would be surprised if classes such as this became mainstream. It's a good idea, but likely to be tainted with theist propaganda.
But , I have noticed that a great deal of the posts from atheists on all the sites seem to do alot of bible quoting. Since I come from a secular jewish family the bible wasn't a big thing growing up. Does anyone else see this or am I delusional.

Jayalenik, I see this, too. I admit I'm a Roman Catholic and I haven't read the Bible, either. I've read parts, but not the whole thing at once. Many atheists have quoted the Bible because I believe more atheists have read it more than most theists. And because of that reading, they are now an atheist, which is why a Bible study class, absent of the religious belief preaching, could be a good thing. There is nothing like reading a presumed authoritative text from 2000 years ago to make you wonder why it's still relevant today, especially considering how much our knowledge has grown since then.

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17. Comment #27791 by davyB on March 26, 2007 at 6:08 pm

The fundamentalists would go berzerk. We know the Bible cannot stand up to scrutiny. Can you imagine the firestorm if the kids were taught what's known about the earlier origins of some of the myths? - or if the many contradictions were considered?

The religious liberals would be up in arms too. How about the rule that women are to keep quiet in church and ask their husbands to explain things when they get home? Or the rule that some poor bloke who had the misfortune to lose his naughty bits must not be allowed in church? Then there's the penalty of stoning for this and that.

The textbook wars would rage.

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18. Comment #27792 by TomKatses on March 26, 2007 at 6:16 pm

I think those in favor of teaching the Bible are missing a fine point. How much of the Bible will be taught? I don't believe a single class could teach the whole thing, and I am afraid it would be "cherry picked". The items mentioned by davyB would probably not be addressed. I know because my whole Catholic upbringing was one big cherry pick, and I took eight years of religion classes. It was not until I did my own research did I realized how immoral the Bible was.

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19. Comment #27793 by davyB on March 26, 2007 at 6:16 pm

A local (San Jose, CA) talk show took this up today. One raging fundamentalist called in and said that separation of church and state applies only to the Federal governent, not to the states. He cited some letter from the 1790's, and said, "The constitution hasn't changed." In fact, it did change -- in 1868. See the 14th amendment. When I was in grade school in the early 60's, we had to learn these things. Before we get all bothered about teaching religion, how about reinstating civics?

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20. Comment #27797 by MelM on March 26, 2007 at 6:38 pm

Here's a link to the Creation Evidence Museum mentioned in the article. A most excellent literary resource indeed!
http://www.creationevidence.org/


Note the artricle's conclusion:
And, oh yes, there should be one faith test. Faith in our country. Sure, there will be bumps along the way. But in the end, what is required in teaching about the Bible in our public schools is patriotism: a belief that we live in a nation that understands the wisdom of its Constitution clearly enough to allow the most important book in its history to remain vibrantly accessible for everyone.


This Time article is a huge piece of intellectual ammunition given to the wingnuts. What a sales tool! Shove this in front of school boards and let Time Magazine (not a wingnut mag) make the pitch. Give copies out at church and get everybody fired up! Send e-mails to the school board! etc etc

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21. Comment #27800 by MelM on March 26, 2007 at 6:52 pm

davyB,

Yes, I read somewhere that the states were now going to get lots of attention. There's more to this than one person on the phone.

I found a link: "The Theocratic Agenda Is Heading for a Statehouse Near You"
http://www.alternet.org/rights/48977/

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22. Comment #27802 by MelM on March 26, 2007 at 7:09 pm

We'll just have to insist on "teach the controversy" and "teach critical thinking" within the "Bible Literacy" classes. Maybe a little sticker could be added to each book: "This is just fantasy, not a fact."

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23. Comment #27803 by brue68 on March 26, 2007 at 7:15 pm

 avatar21. Comment #27800 by MelM on March 26, 2007 at 6:52 pm
I found a link: "The Theocratic Agenda Is Heading for a Statehouse Near You"
http://www.alternet.org/rights/48977/


Well, this article was quite distressing, I live in Virginia. I will have to contact my delegate about that amendment.

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24. Comment #27804 by tmg on March 26, 2007 at 8:00 pm

I say "Go for it." Reading Shakespeare and other classical novels was enhanced by my familiarity with Biblical references.

I remember in public school having dictionaries with instructions like "Go to page 52. Go to page 117. Go to page 12. You are an 'ASS'." How long do you think it will take before some smart-ass kid finds the story of Onan and shows his classmates?

I have to agree with the many posts arguing that knowledge of the Bible is the first step in recognizing that it does not hold up to scrutiny.

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25. Comment #27806 by atheisticism on March 26, 2007 at 8:33 pm

By all means, let's study the bible. It was the bible itself more than anything else that convinced me christianity was a pile of horseshit! I am quite certain that serious and thorough bible study would turn more godders into atheists than vice-versa. Atheists often accuse [rightfully] believers of being ignorant of their own holy book. Of course they don't read it, they want to believe it's true!

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26. Comment #27808 by MelM on March 26, 2007 at 9:13 pm

Link to a list of written descriptions of images in the Bible. "The ABC's of the Bible" Comiled by the "Freedom From Religion Foundation"
http://ffrf.org/timely/abcsbible.php

Seeing a list like this might convince a school board that teaching the Bible in schools is not a hot idea.

Then, there's always the Dark Bible.
http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/DarkBibleContents.htm

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27. Comment #27814 by exegesis_saves on March 26, 2007 at 11:01 pm

 avatarHere's a fun fact:



This, in short, captures why I worry that my people in the USA are no longer fit for representative government. Thank you.

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28. Comment #27816 by Steven Mading on March 26, 2007 at 11:19 pm


I have taken Civ I, which is a basic humanities/history ( I have no idea if they call it that every where else) class at KU. Almost always people come down rather hard on the bible, and rightfully so. Yes the believers in the class got pissy, but oh well, though we had a wonderful professor so maybe this would not be every ones experience. Also the Time article refers to high schools, but i would like to think class discussions could be critical of the bible.

What I fear comes in two varieties:
1 - There is a strong trend of the believers to falsely characterize the act of articulating very strong dissent with their opinion as being identical to the act of infringing upon their rights to have those opinions. Such a characterization is complete bollocks of course, but in the realm of school boards, majority opinion can trump facts - so what I fear happening is that a student who expresses the opinion that the bible is total bullshit (even if not using swear-words to do so) would be falsely equated with expressing bigoted hate speech. Remember this is high school, not college. A key difference between the two is compulsory versus elective attendance, which carries with it massive legal ramifications.
2 - Imagine how many times a believer has characterized a strong critic of religion as being a critic merely because he's misinformed about what the religious texts actually say, and too lazy to do the research. (Consider the many rebuttals to Richard Dawkins along those lines). These people seem to be using a criteria that assumes it is impossible to be familiar with their claim without being in agreement with it. It's clear that RD (and others) is very aware of the claims about religion being metaphorical, or about which parts are not generally taken literally anymore, but his critics do not see that. They see him refusing to give those claims false respect that they don't deserve, and then assume this means he is not familiar with them. Now, where am I going with this? Well, imagine now if one of those people who make that type of false counterargument to the skeptics is the person teaching the bible class. Think about it. To someone of that mindset, taking a passage as if it was intended literally but is false, as an atheist typically would, would show that the student is factually incorrect. They would claim that the correct understanding is a metaphorical one, which salvages the notion that the passage could be true in some sort of way. They would take the atheist's literal debunking of the statement as being evidence of the atheist not having paid attention. Thus it could actually detrimentally affect the student's grade, even if the instructor doesn't consciously realize they are being biased.

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29. Comment #27859 by relevo on March 27, 2007 at 4:19 am

I think those who claim bible class as a good thing for secular society are being foolhardy. The entire point the article makes for supporting bible class is that it gives people a finer understanding over many of the foundations in the US, yet what is not recognized is that by agreeing with such classes, you support the idea of having the bible be the foundation for US politic, and literature, as it has purportedly been traditionally. Not only is it necessary to take requisite government courses, but it also helps if you take bible class, because then you understand more of the fundamental tenets by which people run their government. When what should be asked is why ANY particular religious book should be explicitly singled out as great study material at a high school level. Why not the Mormon Bible, or the Koran? Even Thomas Jefferson owned a Koran. Why not the more ethical Thomas Jefferson bible?

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30. Comment #27908 by Kat on March 27, 2007 at 7:38 am

How many of you who believe this is a good idea live in conservative right wing Christian territory? I do. I live in New Braunfels. I do not believe it will be possible for Bible class teachers to keep from preaching. The author of this article seemed impressed with Ms. Kendrick's approach but then again, she knew she was being observed. Maybe she is capable of presenting the Bible without trying to convert students but it's my fear that she'd be the only one. I really think it would be entirely too tempting for a teacher to preach to students and in an area like this one if you're in the slim minority would you really speak out? Surely these tax dollars would be better spent elsewhere.

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31. Comment #27916 by Quine on March 27, 2007 at 8:23 am

 avatarI would be in favor of the class if it is called "Bible Mythology" and taught alongside "Greek Mythology," "Norse Mythology," "Hindu Mythology," etc.

The real Bible study class that needs to be required is not about the content, but rather, studies who wrote, copied, and interpolated the thing and how it has been used through the ages to control (and extract wealth from) the masses.

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32. Comment #27926 by ghostbuster on March 27, 2007 at 9:17 am

You said it well, Quine!
We've studied communism and nazism ad nauseum, but we haven't studied one of the worst, repressive, cruel, expansive, genocidal "isms" of the world--Catholicism. I don't know how anyone could associate themselves with such a monstrous institution that has been the author of too many holocausts throughout recorded history. And that is not to say other religions have not done the same nor would be capable of doing so given the chance. Catholic means "universal" after all and was invented in the 4th Century by pagans and christians alike. We need to know these things to keep a proper persepctive. We need to know origins as well, since they are not clean cut myths arising from somebody who ate the wrong mushrooms. They have a history.
Truth, indeed, can set you free.

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33. Comment #27963 by Red Foot Oakie on March 27, 2007 at 1:01 pm

 avatarI think this would be a remarkably bad idea. For one, I don't think it can possibly be objectively taught. You'd either have a believer teacher skewing things, or a non-believer teacher constantly being threatened with his/her job by fundies for skewing things.

Also, you really don't ever want to open the door to the idea that its 'okay' to talk about your personal 'faith'. Once they do, they never shut up, and they'll never forget what you said in bible class, you filthy heathen!

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34. Comment #28003 by Fedler on March 27, 2007 at 2:55 pm

 avatarI couldn't resist the irony when this issue of Time magazine arrived at my house. On exactly this same day, I received a notice from my local diocese saying it was filing for bankruptcy due to the child abuse cases against clergy draining the diocese's funds.

The two are unrelated, but I just couldn't help but notice the irony.

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35. Comment #28026 by Civilized Worm on March 27, 2007 at 4:07 pm

 avatarI have to agree that if more people read the book from cover to cover rather than just listening to the bits that are picked out for them there'd be far less people believing in it.

Plus there's nothing like being made to read a book for school to make you hate it.

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36. Comment #28033 by PrimeNumbers on March 27, 2007 at 4:26 pm

 avatarSure, as long as they only teach the rude bits, the nonsense bits and bits where bears eat children. And we need a sticker in the front of the book saying it's all utter nonsense and anyone who believes these things actually happened in the Bible is a nutter.

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37. Comment #28059 by MelM on March 27, 2007 at 6:36 pm

Are the two "Bible Literacy" curriculum organizations and their supporters interested in "Bible Literacy" or is this just another Trojan Horse with the aim of creating believers?

National Council of Bible Curriculum
http://www.bibleinschools.net/sdm.asp
"The Bible was the foundation and blueprint for our Constitution, Declaration of Independence, educational system, and our entire history until the last 20 to 30 years"
...
"The world is watching to see if we will be motivated to impact our culture, to deal with the moral crises in our society, and reclaim our families and children."

Just knowing about the Bible wouldn't bring about these desired results; just being able to understand Biblical references in the news or literature isn't going to fix a moral crisis. This group is quite clear about it's intentions.


Bible Literacy Project
http://www.bibleliteracy.org/Site/index2.htm
"Through your own children and friends is there a local principal, teacher, curriculum developer, superintendent, or school board member who would be interested in considering our curriculum? All we are asking for is a few minutes of your time and influence."
...
Summarizing some of Sheila Weber's (VP of Comunications for BLP) comments on Pilgrim Radio: "...the Bible is the foundation document for Western civilization..." "...unfortunately, because of the law, we can't present the Bible a bit more like it would be presented in Sunday school in a church setting..."
Mobilizing the faithful for a literacy cause? Give me a break! This web site doesn't expose its real interests as much as NCBC does. The summarized material above, though, tells us plenty. At one point, she mentions teachers referring students to their "faith leader" or to the Bible itself for answers to theological questions. Staying inside of religion for answers is a bit limited view I would say. (I wonder what the answer would be if a student asked: "Is any of this true?") In addition, we have the background of Chuck Stetson, Chairman of the Board.

Amercicans United also sees this as a Trojan Horse.
http://www.au.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=7762&abbr=cs_
"It seems clear to me that Stetson, the 59-year-old founder of the BLP, has a sectarian, rather than an academic, motive for his campaign."
...
"Ac­cor­ding to a Sept. 28 column by Colson, Stetson is a "Wilberforce Cen­tur­ion," a graduate of Col­son's year-long training program in­tended to recruit Christian men and women who will "restore our culture by ef­fec­tively thinking, teaching, and advocating a biblical world­­view as applied to all of life." Cen­turions "make a life­long commitment to…shape culture by living out a biblical worldview in their spheres of influence.""
...

"... but at the same time, there is little acknowledgement that the Bible has also served as a major resource for pro-slavery and pro-segregationist forces or that women have been — and still are, in many cases — treated as subject to male authority because of fundamentalist interpretations of the Bible."

Perhaps these curriculum projects are so skewed that one can call them nothing but propaganda. What are their legality then, I wonder?

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38. Comment #28061 by MelM on March 27, 2007 at 7:07 pm

It must be pointed out that the BLP curriculum project contains lots more than just Bible reading. Note the sidebars.
http://www.bibleliteracy.org/Site/Book/index.htm
The student textbook [The Bible and Its Influence] is a hardcover, full-color, 387-page volume that covers the content of Genesis to Revelation. It is described as "a feast for the eyes" for its spectacular beauty and contains some of the world's most famous art, as well as sidebar features on how the Bible has influenced literature, poetry, music, art, history, public rhetoric, and Western civilization. Special one-or two-page features include Abraham Lincoln and the Bible, Handel's Messiah, The Bible and Emancipation, Shakespeare and the Bible, plus many more.
I think I'll read such history elsewhere.

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39. Comment #28067 by themoonsays on March 27, 2007 at 7:36 pm

Shameless self-promotion aside, I've tried to sum up my feelings about being surrounded on all sides by religious nonsense in my song "Jesus, Dirt Roads, and Whiskey." You can hear it at www.myspace.com/actualrabbits. Listen and let me know what you think!

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40. Comment #28498 by Dizzlski on March 29, 2007 at 12:14 pm

This article is very USA centric, and living there I would agree knowledge of the bible is lacking. However there is another piece of writing in which knowledge is lacking and should have its own 'literacy' class - the constitution. I think any country's laws and rights should be first and foremost in education, and religious text not so much; those countries which have them overlap are unfortunate. If one just looks at the USA then the bible is a big part of political and personal life; however in the world of today the koran is more 'important', teaching just one holy book is negligent, as is teaching the history (of any country, idea, and the world) without including religious ideas and influences. A comparative religion class makes alot of sense and should be available as an elective.

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41. Comment #28500 by John Hyperion on March 29, 2007 at 12:48 pm

 avatarI really don't like this trend at all. A comparative religions course? Sure. Excerpts from the bible in literature class? Fine. But a full course on the Bible seems a complete violation of the typical scale and focus that high school course have. You wouldn't have a full high school course on Plato or Frued, you'd have a general introduction to Philosophy or Psychology (if you're even lucky enough to have those).

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42. Comment #28537 by MelM on March 29, 2007 at 4:35 pm

Another resource: Chris Rodda's "Liars For Jesus" book and other writing at the Talk to Action web site. (Note: It looks to me that Talk to Action is not an atheist site.)

Book site:
http://www.liarsforjesus.com/

Paging down, we find a list of her articles connected to the National Council on Bible Curriculum.

Her theme here is the outrageous revision of history undertaken by the wingnuts. I've only started reading her material but it looks like a gold mine of rebuttals to wingnut American History. "Liars For Jesus" looks great but I can't find it locally and will have to order it.

My interest in this was upped when I read about the use of historical and cultural sidebars in the "Bible Literacy Project" book "The Bible and Its Influence." From the radio broadcast I mentioned in a comment above, the statement "...the Bible is the foundation document for Western civilization..." is so absurd that I expect little of value from the book's history sidebars. I also don't expect to see much worthwhile in the Art History sidebars, for example.

Rodda's expose of wingnut American History reminds me of the corruption under way in the sciences. Conclusion: Fundamentalists have chosen a head on collision with all domains of knowledge that get in the way of their dogma and agenda. They will rework and corrupt every field of thought to suit their "faith."

Rodda will be taking a closer look at BLP at some point. I hope she will dig deep enough to show that it's just another Trojan Horse although she thinks that it appears, at least so far, that they are being careful to stay within the law. My concern is whether or not the law is strong enough to keep this Trojan Horse out of the schools. I don't know, but if it isn't, we're screwed.

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43. Comment #29193 by Veronique on April 2, 2007 at 3:04 am

 avatarI can't read all the posts, however, I think I agree that the Wholly Babble should be R rated. It's just not appropriate for young people. It is too frightening and young minds are so malleable.

I think that children with their youthful, trust all mummies and daddies hard wired responses should not be subject to religious (and political) diatribe until they are old enough to be able to assess on their own abilities whether or not to grapple to their hearts and minds any such dogma.

My guess is, if they were left alone, they would opt for reason above fantasies.

I and both my siblings were left free and we all adhere to scientific reason and testability of theories. Thank you pater familias. A big debt of gratitude, because I do not believe that we would have been able to resist such ideological conditioning had we been subject to it. Even if we had been able to think later on, we would have carried the scars for a long (if not ever) time.

Cheers
V

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44. Comment #54671 by AmericanHumanist on July 8, 2007 at 12:30 pm

 avatarASININE!

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45. Comment #66812 by Rising Ape on August 31, 2007 at 3:51 pm

 avatarI would like to second several other posts. Personally I think studying the Bible would have added something to our English lessons. There are some books (His Dark Materials! :) that need knowledge of the Bible to enjoy fully.

The same applies to the Qu'ran, Norse mythology, etc. Why waste good stories?

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