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Saturday, April 7, 2007 | Reason : Wingnut News | print version Print | Comments

Document How to defend your faith with an electric wheelchair

by JJ Hensley, Arizona Republic

Thanks to Shawn Gorden for the link.

Reposted from:
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0407ldsprotest0407.html

Faith, fury mix at Mormon temple

Anne Carlisle just wanted to get to the Easter pageant at the Mormon temple Tuesday night in Mesa.

Lonnie Pursifull just wanted to save Mormons from what he believes is eternal damnation.

But when their paths crossed, neither backed down, and Carlisle won.

Pursifull ended up with a bruised shin, courtesy of Carlisle's electric wheelchair. But she didn't get out of it unscathed: The 64-year-old Carlisle was cited for disorderly conduct for fighting.

The confrontations between Mormon worshipers and those who think they need saving have been going on for decades outside the Arizona Temple and longer than that at other places, members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints said.

But Pursifull and his fellow street preachers have ratcheted up the vitriol in the past few years, creating a toxic mix of faith and fury on the sidewalks outside the temple each Easter.

It has gotten so bad that a more moderate group of Phoenix evangelicals has vowed to skip their annual trip to preach outside the pageant until Pursifull and his crew tone it down.

But Pursifull, 42, says he has souls to save and he's just getting started.

Pursifull is a burly man who lays carpet for a living in Utah when he's not leading his flock at the Wilderness Bible Baptist Church in Duchesne, a rural community about 100 miles east of Salt Lake City.

Pursifull said he was afraid when Carlisle came at him in her wheelchair Tuesday night before the Easter pageant.

Carlisle could not be reached for comment.

"She definitely was an aggressor. She came out and was yelling at me the whole time, and she was not just giving me a love tap. It was an attack with a weapon, literally with a weapon," Pursifull said Friday as his colleagues preached. "The woman could've killed somebody with her wheelchair."

But injuries weren't Pursifull's greatest concern.

He said that documenting what he calls the Mesa Police Department's unwillingness to correct the situation and keep the crowd under control will ensure a more peaceful exchange in the future.

"That happens time and time again throughout the United States - when the officers have done their jobs and uphold the law, it takes the riotness out of the crowd," said Pursifull, who travels the country preaching.

"To be honest, I'm more concerned about the police officers not doing their job because the injuries can get a lot worse the more incompetent the officers get," added.

Mesa police Detective Johnny Lopez, a department spokesman, said the police don't take religion into consideration when investigating a crime.

"We pride ourselves in protecting all citizens, it doesn't matter race, color, creed," he said.

James White has passed out leaflets outside the pageant for most of the past 25 years, and Rich Pierce has joined him for nearly as long.

In the hundreds of nights the two men have had conversations with LDS worshipers outside the pageant, White and Pierce said the interaction was tame until Pursifull's street preachers showed up a few years ago.

"It's changed primarily from a situation where you can have lengthy dialogue and discussion that are religious in nature," said White, director of Alpha and Omega ministries in Phoenix. "Ever since these people showed up, it's become much more adversarial."

Pursifull claims that White leads a flock of sinners that he thinks rivals those in the LDS church, largely because they don't believe the King James version of the Bible is the only trustworthy translation.

Pierce agrees with Pursifull that Mormon teachings lead people astray but said he and White simply want to have a discussion with LDS followers about Scripture.

Regardless, Pursifull's presence has driven White and Pierce away from the temple for the foreseeable future, much as it did in Salt Lake City where the two groups clashed in an attempt to witness to Mormons in past years.

"These guys approach it by making up signs that I think are antagonistic and standing there, yelling at the top of their lungs things that are designed to offend," said Pierce, president of Alpha and Omega ministries.

"My impression is, if you don't think like them, you're to be despised."

That's the impression Adam Hammond gets from all the preachers and protesters who gather outside the LDS temple's Easter pageant each year.

The 31-year-old Mesa resident, like many Mormons, has heard all the criticisms before and doesn't see the groups as anything more than an annual nuisance.

"They're here every year," Hammond said as he saved seats Friday afternoon for the pageant.

"It's like they have nothing better to do than complain about somebody else's religion. But, at the very least, it creates a slight animosity toward the people that are protesting."

But Tuesday night, it did more than that, resulting in Carlisle's citation.

Paul Eppinger, executive director of the Arizona Interfaith Movement, said that with so many cultures and religions coming together in America, such encounters - on a street corner, outside a house of worship - will only lead to more confrontations.

"It seems to me that standing outside of a person's church or worship center, be that the Mormon temple or a synagogue or a mosque, and use that location to condemn people because of the way they believe, because of the way they approach God, I think is totally, totally inappropriate in our society," Eppinger, a former Baptist minister, said.

"Christians, whoever they are, need to follow the teachings of Jesus, and when Jesus was asked, 'What's the most important commandment?' he replied the first was 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart' and second was 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' "

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1. Comment #30353 by seekerofall on April 7, 2007 at 7:24 pm

 avatar"Christians, whoever they are, need to follow the teachings of Jesus, and when Jesus was asked, 'What's the most important commandment?' he replied the first was 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart' and second was 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' "

how unfortunate they dont practice what they preach.......

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2. Comment #30355 by gdhughes on April 7, 2007 at 7:44 pm

 avatarHee hee. Christers! They so funny! And stupid!

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3. Comment #30357 by cassdenata on April 7, 2007 at 7:55 pm

This article actually brings out one very strong point where I disagree with Professor Dawkins. He says that we would be better off without religion and I completely disagree. When religion is seen for what it is, the entertainment value never ceases to amaze. It is like people watching at a Wal-Mart (not sure the brits will get that joke). How dull would life be if we didn't have people fighting about not recognizing the King James passage in a dusty old book.

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4. Comment #30358 by bouwe on April 7, 2007 at 8:00 pm

A Mormon woman in a wheelchair attacking Xian fundy street preacher? I skimmed the article and that was the gist I got. Sounds like something Larry David would make up for "Curb Your Enthusiasm" lol .

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5. Comment #30370 by Nikki on April 7, 2007 at 9:48 pm

Comment #30357 by cassdenata
When religion is seen for what it is, the entertainment value never ceases to amaze.


:) :) :))

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6. Comment #30372 by DarwinsPitbull on April 7, 2007 at 10:13 pm

This is one of the funniest stories I ever heard.

"The woman could've killed somebody with her wheelchair."


That would of looked like the scene in Austin Powers when he kills the person riding a steam roller.

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7. Comment #30384 by dirtpiggy on April 8, 2007 at 12:26 am

 avatarReality can be onionesque at times...

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8. Comment #30386 by BicycleRepairMan on April 8, 2007 at 1:18 am

 avatarGeorge Carlins 3 commandments:

1.Thou shall always be truthfull and honest.

2.Thy shall try real hard not to kill anyone, unless ofcourse they pray to a different invisible man from the one you pray to.

3.Thou shall keep thy religion to thyself.

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9. Comment #30392 by koldito on April 8, 2007 at 1:43 am

It is like people watching at a Wal-Mart (not sure the brits will get that joke).

No, I don't. Care to explain, please?

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10. Comment #30394 by Corylus on April 8, 2007 at 1:48 am

 avatarWow, I do hope it was not one of these!

http://www.tankchair.com/default.htm

Before anyone accuses me of mocking the disabled – I got sent this link by a disabled pal who thinks they are cool and wants one. If I ever come into lots of money she'll get her wish. She is a pagan hippie for I have no fears about her getting arrested. Thinking about it though… she really doesn't like fundies… maybe I should reconsider?

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11. Comment #30405 by the great teapot on April 8, 2007 at 2:25 am

Koldito

Walmart is a cheap shopping chain. They currently own ASDA in the UK (I think).

Cassdenata likes to go laughing at the little people.

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12. Comment #30407 by FXR on April 8, 2007 at 2:42 am

 avatarAnyone for religious mud wrestling?

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13. Comment #30417 by Homo economicus on April 8, 2007 at 2:59 am

 avatarThat is the chair for me if ever I need one.

I remember the Mormons and Born Again Christians fighting for my soul as a Jehovah's Witness (irony as soul = body for a JW). Even as a child they would suddenly talk to me about faith.

My favourite one was a born again faith head describing the trinity to me with an analogy to the sun, light and heat.

To be honest I get more peace now as an atheist. Except for when my mother (practising religion of hers world wide membership: one) phones and suddenly out of the blue attacks my lack of faith.

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14. Comment #30422 by scottishgeologist on April 8, 2007 at 3:10 am

 avatarHey that tankchair is a cool looking machine. It reminds me of a Land Rover that I see regularly on my travels - the one at Lix Toll garage in Perthshire. Its a big yellow Series II with tracks. Theres a pic of it here:

http://www.lr-mad.co.uk/tracked.html

Huh! Now there's a Chelsea Tractor. Dont mess with that at Tesco!

All it needs is that ridiculous Ichthys fish logo on the back and you'd be welcome at any SUV infested evangie church...

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15. Comment #30430 by Eamonn Shute on April 8, 2007 at 3:17 am

 avatarI wonder who would win in a fight between Carlisle and Stephen Hawking?

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16. Comment #30434 by Biblebeltheretic on April 8, 2007 at 3:33 am

"Pursifull is a burly man who lays carpet for a living in Utah when he's not leading his flock at the Wilderness Bible Baptist Church in Duchesne, a rural community about 100 miles east of Salt Lake City."

Hmmm....Could this be a result of spending too much time on your knees??

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17. Comment #30442 by Cholmonedeley on April 8, 2007 at 3:55 am

Sometimes all I think the world needs is to just stop giving a sh*t. Go about with your lives, you crazy religites.

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18. Comment #30459 by Luthien on April 8, 2007 at 5:35 am

 avatar15. Comment #30430 by Eamonn Shute on April 8, 2007 at 3:17 am
"I wonder who would win in a fight between Carlisle and Stephen Hawking?"

Hey, remember from the simpsons that Hawking has that boxing glove on the springy arm ;-)

(I have the toy on my desk at work)

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19. Comment #30499 by Vee eL on April 8, 2007 at 8:29 am

 avatarTalking about a 'meaning full' life.....

Wasting energy is polluting our earth!

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20. Comment #30530 by colluvial on April 8, 2007 at 12:24 pm

Just imagine the sniping (and eventual warfare) we'd see if the believers didn't have quasi-secular social norms to keep them apart!

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21. Comment #30551 by Duff on April 8, 2007 at 3:10 pm

The really sad thing is, this picketing of the Mormons around their temples makes them even more emotional about their religion (I know this from all my Mormon relatives). And of course the same is true for the equally pathetic Baptist who are usually the ones doing the picketing. They both become more religious as a result of the confrontations. It's a psychological, self perpetuating sickness.

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22. Comment #31056 by Linda_K on April 10, 2007 at 8:16 pm

I can picture this escalating into a conflict much like "The Troubles" in Ireland.

Just Kidding ;)

Seriously though, there are people suffering all over the world, AIDS, hunger, preventable disease, infant mortality, and these people are fighting over who's going where when they die. Where is Jesus for those less fortunate? It's so much easier to believe when you have already been so blessed.

It's a shame they can't put their "Zeal" into improving their lives and the lives of those around them.

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