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Thursday, April 26, 2007 | Science : Astronomy | print version Print | Comments

Document New Planet Could Be Earthlike, Scientists Say

by Dennis Overbye

Reposted from the NYTimes:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/25/science/space/25planet.html?ref=science

The most enticing property yet found outside our solar system is about 20 light-years away in the constellation Libra, a team of European astronomers said yesterday.

The astronomers have discovered a planet five times as massive as the Earth orbiting a dim red star known as Gliese 581.

It is the smallest of the 200 or so planets that are known to exist outside of our solar system, the extrasolar or exo-planets. It orbits its home star within the so-called habitable zone where surface water, the staff of life, could exist if other conditions are right, said Stephane Udry of the Geneva Observatory.

"We are at the right place for that," said Dr. Udry, the lead author of a paper describing the discovery that has been submitted to the journal Astronomy & Astrophysics.

But he and other astronomers cautioned that it was far too soon to conclude that liquid water was there without more observations. Sara Seager, a planet expert at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, said, "For example, if the planet had an atmosphere more massive than Venus's, then the surface would likely be too hot for liquid water."

Nevertheless, the discovery in the Gliese 581 system, where a Neptune-size planet was discovered two years ago and another planet of eight Earth masses is now suspected, catapults that system to the top of the list for future generations of space missions.

"On the treasure map of the universe, one would be tempted to mark this planet with an X," said Xavier Delfosse, a member of the team from Grenoble University in France, according to a news release from the European Southern Observatory, a multinational collaboration based in Garching, Germany.

Dimitar Sasselov of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, who studies the structure and formation of planets, said: "It's 20 light-years. We can go there."

The new planet was discovered by the wobble it causes in its home star's motion as it orbits, using the method by which most of the known exo-planets have been discovered. Dr. Udry's team used an advanced spectrograph on a 141-inch-diameter telescope at the European observatory in La Silla, Chile.

The planet, Gliese 581c, circles the star every 13 days at a distance of about seven million miles. According to models of planet formation developed by Dr. Sasselov and his colleagues, such a planet should be about half again as large as the Earth and composed of rock and water, what the astronomers now call a "super Earth."

The most exciting part of the find, Dr. Sasselov said, is that it "basically tells you these kinds of planets are very common." Because they could stay geologically active for billions of years, he said he suspected that such planets could be even more congenial for life than Earth. Although the new planet is much closer to its star than Earth is to the Sun, the red dwarf Gliese 581 is only about a hundredth as luminous as the Sun. So seven million miles is a comfortable huddling distance.

How hot the planet gets, Dr. Udry said, depends on how much light the planet reflects, its albedo. Using the Earth and Venus as two extreme examples, he estimated that temperatures on the surface of the planet should be in the range of 0 degrees to 40 degrees centigrade.

"It's just right in the good range," Dr. Udry said. "Of course, we don't know anything about its albedo."

One problem is that the wobble technique only gives masses of planets. To measure their actual size and thus find their densities, astronomers have to catch the planets in the act of passing in front of or behind their stars. Such transits can also reveal if the planets have atmospheres and what they are made of.

Dr. Udry said he and Dr. Sasselov would be observing the Gliese system with a Canadian space telescope named MOST to see if there are any dips in starlight caused by the new planet. Failing that, they said, the best chance for more information about the system lies with the Terrestrial Planet Finder, a NASA mission, and the Darwin missions of the European Space Agency, which are designed to study Earthlike planets, but have been delayed by political, technical and financial difficulties.

"We are starting to count the first targets," Dr. Udry said.

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1. Comment #35208 by maton100 on April 26, 2007 at 3:10 pm

 avatarAs O'Lielly said: Sun go up, sun go down.

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2. Comment #35212 by plexer on April 26, 2007 at 3:19 pm

Evidence that god had a plan B?

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3. Comment #35213 by maton100 on April 26, 2007 at 3:21 pm

 avatarRemember, sun go up...sun go down.

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4. Comment #35215 by mr harry on April 26, 2007 at 3:26 pm

Tides come in... tides go out.

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5. Comment #35218 by _J_ on April 26, 2007 at 3:42 pm

 avatar2. Comment #35212 by plexer

Hmm, Gliese 581c (snappy) sounds a bit warmer than Earth with one side possibly always facing its sun. This may be god's holiday spot. Perhaps the Glieseans make good margaritas? He is going to be almightily pissed off if our next generation of telescopes bust his 2000 year holiday by revealing Him basking in His swim shorts. (Perhaps this, in fact, is what Revelations is all about...)

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6. Comment #35226 by Jack Rawlinson on April 26, 2007 at 4:01 pm

 avatarI would love to see life discovered on another planet. Not least so that I could enjoy the spectacle of the religious attempting to shift paradigms with all the grace and smoothness of the average clown car.

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7. Comment #35238 by hasty toweling on April 26, 2007 at 4:44 pm

They would divide into factions: one side would just deny life existed elsewhere regardless of anything, the other side would contort itself like a shanghai acrobat (perhaps Jesus had a spaceship and flew around the galaxy saving all replicating entities everywhere).

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8. Comment #35242 by nowoo on April 26, 2007 at 5:05 pm

Nah, they'd probably dodge the problem by assuming that humans are the only ones with souls. Everything else is just more of creation for us to subdue.

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9. Comment #35243 by Bonzai on April 26, 2007 at 5:10 pm

Luckily for the creatures there,--if there are any,--that humans aren't going to get there any time soon.

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10. Comment #35252 by nine9s on April 26, 2007 at 5:49 pm

If the planet doesn't spin on an axis, wouldn't that mean that it doesn't generate a magnetic field that shields the planet from radiation? Maybe it's a cockroach world, Planet of the Apes style.

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11. Comment #35258 by plexer on April 26, 2007 at 6:13 pm

8. Comment #35242 by nowoo

nowoo, if they don't have souls then that allows us to enslave and slaughter their populations. If they do have souls, then they probably haven't heard the word of the baby Jesus. Which means we must send missionaries to save their souls and eventually enslave and slaughter their population.

Win-Win situation

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12. Comment #35259 by ghostbuster on April 26, 2007 at 6:18 pm

Jehovah Witnesses once believed God lived on a planet in the constellation Pleiades (sp?)so it wouldn't take much of an imagination to think this might be a great find since religion doesn't take much imagination anyway.
Maybe it's Prot's world?

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13. Comment #35262 by Bremas on April 26, 2007 at 6:30 pm

Have a friend that always ends his emails with God Bless. I asked him about the possibility of life elsewhere in the universe. His response..."I'm of the opinion that this is going on in a lot of places and that we all have a little piece of the puzzle"

So the meaning of life is a treasure hunt?

I like the guy, but in the end it's simply about people wanting to believe.

I don't get it.

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14. Comment #35274 by Joe_OD on April 26, 2007 at 6:45 pm

nine9s

Magnetic fields are usually created by liquid metal dynamos inside planets, at their cores. I don't think the planet has to be rotating. Maybe I'm wrong.

Also, planets like Mercury don't have dynamos, but have massive, solid cores of iron, which create a magnetic field. It's weaker though.

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15. Comment #35296 by Electric Monk on April 26, 2007 at 7:44 pm

What proportion of god-botherers would see this as evidence of god? - what proportion would see it as evidence that there's no such thing?

my guess - close to 100% would see it as evidence (on the other hand the proportion that would see the absence of life there as evidence of god - also 100% - thoughts?)

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16. Comment #35313 by Yorker on April 26, 2007 at 8:49 pm

 avatarThis is basically a scientific site so it's good to see a religion-free scientific article, I don't understand why some of you see the need to make religious comments.

On the more interesting side, Dimitar Sasselov of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, said:

"It's 20 light-years. We can go there."

Someday perhaps, but not just now; given the state of current propulsion technology, if we launched an exploratory mission immediately, we'd have to wait a very long time to get any information. I estimate well over 180K years for the craft to get there and another 20 years to radio the data back here. Considering our violent nature, there's a good chance we won't even be around when the message arrives, so sadly, going there is a nice dream but that's all it is.

If we could overcome political and cost objections, there are practical designs for spacecraft that might just achieve one tenth the speed of light, but acceleration and deceleration would take a huge chunk of time so the overall wait would still be around 1k years. We humans are governed by politicians who can't see further than the next election so I guess that idea won't happen either. Our best hope is that some wiser, much more mature species might decide to give us a quick look over, it's a very slim chance but probably the only one we'll ever have of knowing for sure that we are not alone in the cosmos, at least as far as intelligent life is concerned.

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17. Comment #35316 by Yorker on April 26, 2007 at 9:02 pm

 avatarI should have added in my last post that even lower lifeforms discovered on a planet as close as 20 LY would be amazing. The last time I thought about the possibility, I came up with a minimum radius of 500 LY, I'd love to be wrong about that. Life within 20 LY would bode very well for a Universe brimming over with biology!

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18. Comment #35336 by roach on April 26, 2007 at 10:52 pm

I really hope that we have solid evidence to believe that some type of life exists (or existed) on another planet before I die.

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19. Comment #35358 by Vaal on April 27, 2007 at 1:50 am

 avatarBehold, the Gliesans partaked of humanity. After all, their holy book told them that their God was created in their own image and that the Universe was theirs to do with as they wish. Wow, a planet with over 6 billion hominids to harvest. Get out that cookbook!

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20. Comment #35363 by CloudedHills on April 27, 2007 at 2:12 am

 avatarAlright, gravity is proportional to mass and inversely proportional to radius. Taking its mass as about 4.8E and its radius as about 1.5, which I remember from some report as being about it.

Acceleration due to gravity at the planet's surface thus should be about 2.1 earth gravities.

Then we have it perhaps tidally locked to a star, meaning the portion that is likely to be habitable is just a little bit on either side of the permanent terminus.

Also, forgive me if I've missed somewhere, but they haven't actually found any water there.

To quote Xavier Delfosse, "On the treasure map of the universe, one would be tempted to mark this planet with an X."

Perhaps it would be a little better to say:

On the treasure map of funding applications, one would be tempted to exaggerate just a little.

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21. Comment #35372 by mmurray on April 27, 2007 at 2:41 am

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18. Comment #35336 by roach on April 26, 2007 at 10:52 pm
I really hope that we have solid evidence to believe that some type of life exists (or existed) on another planet before I die.

Yes - me to :-) I'm nearly 50 so barring ET landing on earth I think the best bet is Mars if NASA get a move on. I guess things like this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Worlds_Imager

could give some information. The Kepler mission might give us an idea of how common rocky planets like earth in the habitable zone are which is an important factor in assessing the likelihood of extraterrestrial life.

Michael

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22. Comment #35389 by Rtambree on April 27, 2007 at 3:46 am

Now religious pilgrims have a new land to flee to. Can a Space Shuttle be renamed 'The Mayflower'?

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23. Comment #35396 by Yorker on April 27, 2007 at 3:59 am

 avatar18. Comment #35336 by roach

That's a wish I've had since I was a kid, I'm still waiting but not nearly so confident. :(

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24. Comment #35454 by ridelo on April 27, 2007 at 8:01 am

I think this find makes life elsewhere in our galaxy enormous more plausible. If life starts on a Goldilocks planet like ours it's very difficult to undo it. See what happened here with all our mass extinctions. And we are still here. By we I mean all living things, not only humans of course.
And in the enormous chemical cauldron that a starting planet is somewhere a replicating molecule must happen from time to time. Probability in numbers!
I'm waiting for a spectroscope able to detect oxygen on extrasolar planets! And they better hurry. I'm already 66. Not that I will be disappointed when they eventually detect life somewhere else after my own personal extinction. ;-)

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25. Comment #35473 by PeterK on April 27, 2007 at 9:14 am

.."Jehovah Witnesses once believed God lived on a planet in the constellation Pleiades"..

It figures they would. The Pleiades isn't even a constellation, it's a star cluster in the constellation of Taurus.

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26. Comment #35481 by rooz on April 27, 2007 at 10:05 am

I am sure I used to know the answer to these questions, but why are creationists so sure that there is not life on other planets? And why if we do find it will this be strong evidence against the creationist position?

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27. Comment #42172 by Kakashi_monkey on May 17, 2007 at 7:03 pm

 avatarI've always held that space exploration is the number one human priority. Explore this planet and find life!! It would sure be great to answer the "Are we alone?" question with "No!"

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