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It would appear that Expelled's producer Mark Mathis was not being truthful when he told me tonight that Crossroads was a 'working title' for the film Expelled. As Wesley Elsberry points out, the domain for Expelled was purchased before most, if not all, of the interviews were conducted -- and yet Richard Dawkins, Eugenie Scott, PZ Myers, and others were told they were being interviewed for a film called Crossroads.
Mr. Mark Mathis, do you want to come here and explain yourself?
3652. Comment #167619 by gr8hands on April 24, 2008 at 8:05 am
Frankus1122 -- you're welcome. (Atheists really give the most genuine compliments, because theists tend to say "praise god!" as if god had anything to do with the achievements of any human.)3653. Comment #167621 by Quetzalcoatl on April 24, 2008 at 8:09 am
Rather than worrying about others state of salvation, I suggest you focus on yours by seeking the truth
The question I have for you is why are you concerned about others when you have heard the Gospel and, I assume, have not placed your faith in Christ?
3654. Comment #167624 by Philip1978 on April 24, 2008 at 8:12 am
1 A day of the LORD is coming when your plunder will be divided among you.
2 I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city.
3655. Comment #167625 by Remnant on April 24, 2008 at 8:13 am
Re: Comment #167603 by Peacebeuponme on April 24, 2008 at 7:52 am3656. Comment #167627 by al-rawandi on April 24, 2008 at 8:15 am
3657. Comment #167630 by Slippy on April 24, 2008 at 8:18 am
EDIT - Thanks for answering the questions I asked. I appreciate it. Few more for you though on something else you wrote & a couple from your answers to my original questions,3658. Comment #167635 by epeeist on April 24, 2008 at 8:21 am
I didn't say that, I said that under the evolutionary premise of survival of the fittest, the robber would just be following evolutionary dictates,taking advantage of his stronger survival skillsThis is simply nonsense. You really need to find out what "fit" means in biological terms.
3659. Comment #167640 by Remnant on April 24, 2008 at 8:27 am
Re: Comment #167621 by Quetzalcoatl on April 24, 2008 at 8:09 am3660. Comment #167642 by phatbat on April 24, 2008 at 8:29 am
Getting back to your robbery analogy, unlike the robber, God is not forcing anybody to do anything against their will. We have complete freedom to accept or reject His plan of salvation.
3661. Comment #167645 by MaxD on April 24, 2008 at 8:32 am
3662. Comment #167646 by MaxD on April 24, 2008 at 8:36 am
While conducting the robbery, the perp not only insists he love you, but demands that you declare your love for him; constantly. You would think that a omnipotent, omniscient, entity would be a little more self-actualized than that, but in the words of the late John Belushi, nnnnnoooooooo! This celestial douchebag craves your adulation; he made you, better get down and tell him how wonderful he is
3663. Comment #167650 by Frankus1122 on April 24, 2008 at 8:38 am
They are not "my views". I do not determine truth and neither do you. They are God's revelation of truth. All we can do is to find the truth and then conform our lives to that truth.
In addition, if God did not exist, there would be no absolute higher moral law and morality would be relative to the individual.
The problem here is related to the problem outlined above. How do you know what god wants? You are sure that your interpretation of your holy book is the correct one, just as everyone who has a different holy book and a different interpretation is sure they are correct. Who is right? You can't rely on your interpretation of your holy book as this would then be allowable to everyone else with a holy book and an interpretation.
This is a problem that you need to address.
If evolutionary theory were true, then morals would be relative to the individual and therefore no one would be in a position to object to another person's standard of morality, or "moral evolution". Anything would be acceptable.
If your interpretation of the Bible is your interpretation of the Bible then everything you said above is also true for you.
Think about it.
3664. Comment #167651 by Peacebeuponme on April 24, 2008 at 8:38 am
RemnantI didn't say that, I said that under the evolutionary premise of survival of the fittest, the robber would just be following evolutionary dictates,taking advantage of his stronger survival skills, and as an evolutionist you would be in no position to condemn him for doing what evolved naturally. You might not like it, but he would just be following evolutionary dictates.You did. You said that without objective morality nobody can object to another's morals. But they can. If I don't like something I can object to it. Whether or not there is some objective standard I would still "comdemn" someone for harming me. There is a reason why we all agree to have laws, so that anybody who carries out harm is kept away from us.
3665. Comment #167652 by DamnDirtyApe on April 24, 2008 at 8:39 am
3666. Comment #167655 by irate_atheist on April 24, 2008 at 8:41 am
The point I was making was that it is a bit of a contradiction and rather irrational for one to believe that God does not exist and then express concern about how that God, that they claim does not exist, deals with humans that they claim he did not create.We are pointing out how repugnant your made up god is. We are also pointing out that, if he does exist - as you claim - he is a pisspoor communicator.
3667. Comment #167657 by MaxD on April 24, 2008 at 8:42 am
3668. Comment #167659 by steveroot on April 24, 2008 at 8:43 am
3657. Comment #167610 by Remnant on April 24, 2008 at 8:01 am
"Our finite minds cannot possibly comprehend the entirety of God's plan."
3669. Comment #167660 by Peacebeuponme on April 24, 2008 at 8:43 am
RemnantThe point I was making was that it is a bit of a contradiction and rather irrational for one to believe that God does not exist and then express concern about how that God, that they claim does not exist, deals with humans that they claim he did not create.Please.
3670. Comment #167662 by Frankus1122 on April 24, 2008 at 8:45 am
They are not "my views".
They are God's revelation of truth.
3671. Comment #167666 by irate_atheist on April 24, 2008 at 8:50 am
Think about it. Answer some questions.Tsk tsk. Now you're asking him to do the impossible. Poor chap, he'll explode if he tries to do either of those things.
3672. Comment #167667 by Remnant on April 24, 2008 at 8:50 am
Re: Comment #167627 by al-rawandi on April 24, 2008 at 8:15 am3673. Comment #167668 by MaxD on April 24, 2008 at 8:52 am
Again, I do not make the rules, I am but a messenger, a sinners saved by the grace of God. Here is what the bible, the word of God reveals.
3674. Comment #167670 by Steve Zara on April 24, 2008 at 8:53 am
I didn't say that, I said that under the evolutionary premise of survival of the fittest, the robber would just be following evolutionary dictates,taking advantage of his stronger survival skills, and as an evolutionist you would be in no position to condemn him for doing what evolved naturally. You might not like it, but he would just be following evolutionary dictates.
I do not determine truth and neither do you. They are God's revelation of truth.
3675. Comment #167671 by gr8hands on April 24, 2008 at 8:54 am
Philip1978: quoting the evil from the bible looks fun. Let me try . . .Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.Clearly in violation of the "Thou shalt not kill" commandment.
Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death.
He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.
3676. Comment #167672 by Galactor on April 24, 2008 at 8:54 am
3677. Comment #167674 by epeeist on April 24, 2008 at 8:57 am
I really do not have the time, nor do I care to answer every off-the-wall claim from the biblically illiterateI would be very careful about making a blanket accusation of people on this site being "biblically illiterate".
3678. Comment #167675 by Remnant on April 24, 2008 at 8:59 am
Re: Comment #167655 by irate_atheist on April 24, 2008 at 8:41 am3679. Comment #167677 by irate_atheist on April 24, 2008 at 9:00 am
signs were intended primarily for the apostolic age, before the complete Bible was available in written form.
3680. Comment #167678 by Steve Zara on April 24, 2008 at 9:01 am
Why do you whine so much when you are given what you choose?
3681. Comment #167679 by gr8hands on April 24, 2008 at 9:03 am
epeeist, #2 has already been answered as "yes", proving complete idiocy.3682. Comment #167680 by irate_atheist on April 24, 2008 at 9:04 am
3683. Comment #167682 by Remnant on April 24, 2008 at 9:05 am
Re: Comment #167674 by epeeist on April 24, 2008 at 8:57 am3684. Comment #167684 by The Reverend Dark on April 24, 2008 at 9:07 am
3685. Comment #167686 by Remnant on April 24, 2008 at 9:08 am
Re: Comment #167680 by irate_atheist on April 24, 2008 at 9:04 am3686. Comment #167687 by Corylus on April 24, 2008 at 9:08 am
He will not force Himself or salvation on you.Where were those verses you quoted all of 10 minutes ago... ah yes...
Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.So, while not forcing himself, he is willing to do it by proxy.
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
3687. Comment #167688 by al-rawandi on April 24, 2008 at 9:09 am
3688. Comment #167689 by Steve Zara on April 24, 2008 at 9:11 am
Yes there was a global flood.
3689. Comment #167690 by Klaatu barada nikto on April 24, 2008 at 9:11 am
3690. Comment #167691 by irate_atheist on April 24, 2008 at 9:12 am
Yes there was a global flood.A monumentally stupid statement from a monumentally stupid person.
3691. Comment #167692 by Frankus1122 on April 24, 2008 at 9:12 am
You clearly have a problem then. Because if you don't determine truth, then you can have no idea of the truth or falsehood of what God reveals.
To rely on the revelation of God, you have to determine that what you are dealing with is truly the revelation of God....
3692. Comment #167693 by Remnant on April 24, 2008 at 9:12 am
Comment #167678 by Steve Zara on April 24, 2008 at 9:01 am3693. Comment #167694 by IDiot on April 24, 2008 at 9:14 am
After seeing the movie, I had no real opinion about Mr. Dawkins here. Being a 16 year old, I didn't believe myself smart enough to critique him. However, after reading this blog, and being referred to as an "IDiot" I find your biased-ness (can't spell that, I know, I'm stupid) and offensive way of refering to anyone who doesn't agree with you repulsive. Did you hear yourself Mr. Dawkins, when you actually said that an Intelligent being could have created life, as long as it wasn't "God".3694. Comment #167695 by irate_atheist on April 24, 2008 at 9:14 am
3695. Comment #167696 by al-rawandi on April 24, 2008 at 9:14 am
3696. Comment #167698 by Steve Zara on April 24, 2008 at 9:15 am
If anyone is trying to restrict choice, it is atheists like you that try to destroy the faith of other people's children with satan's lies that you believe.
3697. Comment #167701 by Quetzalcoatl on April 24, 2008 at 9:17 am
If anyone is trying to restrict choice, it is atheists like you that try to destroy the faith of other people's children with satan's lies that you believe. You and Eve have a lot in common
3698. Comment #167702 by irate_atheist on April 24, 2008 at 9:18 am
3699. Comment #167703 by Remnant on April 24, 2008 at 9:18 am
Comment #167692 by Frankus1122 on April 24, 2008 at 9:12 am3700. Comment #167704 by Remnant on April 24, 2008 at 9:20 am
Re:Comment #167701 by Quetzalcoatl on April 24, 2008 at 9:17 am
3651. Comment #167616 by Peacebeuponme on April 24, 2008 at 8:03 am
RemnantDaw 8:12 - christianity is a fairy story.
I win.
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