Dawkins Delusion (3rd article, Same Stupid Title)153. Comment #6506 by oj on November 14, 2006 at 3:32 pm
In Comment #6388 by David Robertson he said:154. Comment #6568 by Jenna on November 15, 2006 at 12:13 am
To answer your question, Heatnzi, according to Christian belief if Hilter, with his dying breath, pronounced Jesus to be his saviour, yes all would be forgiven. On the other hand, someone like Gandhi who worked tirelessly for the poor is not Christian, not matter how good and ethical they are, would wind up in hell. Let me pose a question to the Christians out there: which would you prefere as your neighbour? The Christian pedophile or the atheist would volunteers for Doctors without Borders?Jenna155. Comment #6583 by Jamie on November 15, 2006 at 2:37 am
"But I suspect that you have written your book, not because atheists are a persecuted minority needing to come out of the closet, but rather because the atheist hegemony is now being challenged from all sides. In fact, having had a century of elitist domination and control many in the Western World are beginning to wake up to the fact that the secular emperor has no clothes. The 20th Century can truly be called the Failed Atheist Century. "156. Comment #6586 by Jamie on November 15, 2006 at 2:46 am
Oliver, Your type of remarks are the type I was pointing out. Do not preach! give evidence! Plenty of people have believed that they were living in the end times. They were all wrong. Even the apostles and jesus thought so. Incidentally, jesus says that even he does not know when he will return, only god does.158. Comment #6615 by saneatheist on November 15, 2006 at 5:44 am
Billy Sands asks,159. Comment #6616 by saneatheist on November 15, 2006 at 5:47 am
Sorry, should have said plausible.160. Comment #6651 by Jonathan Dore on November 15, 2006 at 8:50 am
Nate wrote: "Quit saying this is end timeS! By doing so you LET global warming continue, you LET genocide continue, you LET people starve to death ..." etc.162. Comment #6663 by oj on November 15, 2006 at 9:30 am
David Robertson163. Comment #6667 by No More Hornets on November 15, 2006 at 9:52 am
Well, thank Peter Rabbit this thread is finally done.164. Comment #6668 by saneatheist on November 15, 2006 at 10:02 am
>>Nate, It really is too bad david won't ever read this post, or actually think about these questions. he'll dismiss it as anger,<<165. Comment #6676 by Ryan on November 15, 2006 at 10:17 am
"I'm sorry but I honestly think I could have made a better case for atheism."166. Comment #6703 by John Phillips on November 15, 2006 at 11:49 am
@Jack Sparrow. Don't know if anyone has answered this yet but as it might take me some time to finish reading this thread I thought I might as well put it in now and apologies if someone has already covered it.167. Comment #6712 by Anonymous on November 15, 2006 at 12:12 pm
John, have you seen these articles?168. Comment #6729 by John Phillips on November 15, 2006 at 12:54 pm
Thanks for the links Billy, I remember reading an article about it a while ago but haven't really looked at it in any detail yet. Only so many hours in a day and I really could do with a minimum 48 hour day. I also noticed later that others like yourself did cover much of what I posted but this thread was such a long one I wanted to get my licks in, so to speak, while I had the time.169. Comment #6760 by Riley on November 15, 2006 at 1:54 pm
[Riley wrote:] "How do you even propose verifying or invalidating that which exists outside the realm of human experience?"170. Comment #6804 by saneatheist on November 15, 2006 at 4:01 pm
Only so many hours in a day and I really could do with a minimum 48 hour day.171. Comment #6817 by Paul Creber on November 15, 2006 at 4:55 pm
A fellow theist by the name of David Robertson claimed in one of his posts on this site that the supernatural is "verifiable and can be the subject of debate".173. Comment #6919 by Beth on November 16, 2006 at 7:30 am
Regarding Alex's posting:174. Comment #6955 by Beth on November 16, 2006 at 10:39 am
Robinson writes:175. Comment #6959 by Beth on November 16, 2006 at 11:02 am
For those of you following this thread who have not already done so, I suggest going to the website where Robinson's original article was posted176. Comment #6960 by Paul Creber on November 16, 2006 at 11:02 am
Actually, I'm 90 per cent sure that Dawkins didn't say: "It will look better on your CV than mine."178. Comment #6973 by Anonymous on November 16, 2006 at 12:11 pm
more of the same available from the Rev Robertson at www.freechurch.org/issues/2006/novb06.htm179. Comment #6997 by Nick on November 16, 2006 at 2:34 pm
ADR,180. Comment #7001 by Nick on November 16, 2006 at 2:39 pm
Sorry, this is the index to NASA's Big Bang pages...181. Comment #7004 by Paul Creber on November 16, 2006 at 2:50 pm
Response to ADR182. Comment #7022 by Fedler on November 16, 2006 at 5:29 pm
Re: Comment #6991 by Azariah de Rossi184. Comment #7056 by Anonymous on November 16, 2006 at 11:30 pm
I am sorry that I have to come back on this thread. I had assumed that given the interest in the first article, the responses and those who said that they were looking forward to commenting on the next one, that it would also be placed as an article on the website and so we could begin a separate thread. This would seem to me to make sense given that the current thread is over 400 long and that the purpose of this site is to allow 'a clear thinking oasis'. I had requested that the article be placed as a separate article but apparently this is not allowed. One wonders why? If I was not such a positive thinker I would think that it is because, in the words of the Norwegian football commentator describing his teams glorious victory over England, 'your boys took one hell of a beating!'. This thread is an embarrassment to the atheist cause. I was warned they will never put the second one up they don't like anything that makes them look bad. They will say you have the freedom to post on the forum. I said don't be stupid. They put the first one up it got a massive response they are not that insecure. I was wrong.185. Comment #7070 by Paul Creber on November 17, 2006 at 2:08 am
Dear David Robertson,186. Comment #7071 by Chris on November 17, 2006 at 2:20 am
Dear David,187. Comment #7078 by Chris on November 17, 2006 at 3:41 am
Hi Billy,188. Comment #7081 by Martin on November 17, 2006 at 4:37 am
Chris,189. Comment #7088 by oj on November 17, 2006 at 5:20 am
Martin said:190. Comment #7092 by Chris on November 17, 2006 at 5:47 am
I have no problem with pointing out the errors in someone's logic and one should not give deference to dogma, I just see a difference between being firm in ones response and being intentionally rude. One must have an eye on the big picture and the objectives which for me are a global move towards secular humanism and rational thinking.192. Comment #7107 by Christopher on November 17, 2006 at 7:49 am
I've been following this thread from the beginning, and thought I would join the fray and add a few thoughts.193. Comment #7116 by Paul Creber on November 17, 2006 at 8:17 am
Dear David Robertson194. Comment #7128 by Martin on November 17, 2006 at 9:12 am
Martin (429) Your post is also helpful.196. Comment #7131 by Fedler on November 17, 2006 at 9:22 am
Mr. Robertson,198. Comment #7138 by Chris on November 17, 2006 at 10:13 am
It seems quite important to define the term faith. Many here have said that faith is inherently irrational and this draws criticism from theists that this is a fundamentalist position. I think the statement that 'faith is irrational' is correct but that's because of the definition of faith that I use. I suspect that it is the definition of faith that is central to disagreements that go on.
151. Comment #6487 by Anonymous on November 14, 2006 at 1:54 pm
Billy - you're shouting again!