101. Comment #264766 by phatbat on October 15, 2008 at 7:55 am

104. Comment #264761 by Ultraviolet G

Guys, this isn't worth your time. These people aren't interested in learning anything. Please just ignore the trolls. You can usually tell when someone is religious but actually wants to learn about science, even if they disagree with you about various gods. This isn't one of those times.

I know what you are saying, there does come a time eventually when you do have to just ignore them, but each time one pops up they give us all the fantiastic gift of being able to explain why they're wrong for the benefit of all the people who read these articles, but might not be familiar with these creationist fallacies and the responces they get here. Most of them give up eventually, in the mean time it's a brilliant opportunity to do what most of us would never get the chance to do in public, cause everyone's always so polite and most people feel uncomfortable when someone in the room is telling someone else that their opinions are wrong.

EDITED for punctuation

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102. Comment #264769 by MaxD on October 15, 2008 at 7:58 am

Holy shit, I have been away too long. Steveb40 is cracking me up.

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103. Comment #264770 by Quetzalcoatl on October 15, 2008 at 7:59 am

Tezcatlipoca-

That's the nicest thing anyone's said to me all day. :)

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104. Comment #264772 by MaxD on October 15, 2008 at 8:01 am

I mean where do you even begin with the following, gloriously unhinged assertion by stevenb40

NATURAL SELECTION HAS NO EVOLUTIONARY POWER

- Evolutionists claim that nature selected the advantageous, who is the decision maker? Trees, water, sun, air...

- Better running rabbits may live longer, but this does not turn them into any other species

- Faster swimming fish may not be prey to others, but they still keep on living as fish

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105. Comment #264773 by stevenb40 on October 15, 2008 at 8:01 am

THE CADDIS FLY IS STILL ALIVE TODAY

Note that on his web site Richard Dawkins never goes into the question of whether or not the caddis fly is still alive today, makes no comment at all about the subject, and is only interested in the nature of the picture in the Atlas of Creation. Dawkins naturally has not a word to say about the fact the creature is still living today and has never changed over the course of millions of years.

FOSSIL EVIDENCE HAS NO PLACE FOR GRADUATION

Neither does Dawkins have anything to say about the hundreds of living fossils shown on just about every page of the Atlas of Creation. As with Dawkins, a profound silence reigns among other evolutionists, too, in the face of this highly significant fossil evidence. He prefers to remain silent rather than admit that he has no explanation to give, no counter-evidence to submit in the face of this evidence that totally demolishes evolution.

ATLAS OF CREATION - THE SIGNATURE OF DARWINIST COLLAPSE

Dawkins has eventually managed to track down a picture of a model in the Atlas of Creation, whose three volumes totalling 2300 pages contain hundreds of living fossils that definitively refute evolution, and is attempting to portray this as a mistake. Evolutionists are unable to swallow the fact that there is not a single mistake in the book, which proves that organisms living millions of years ago are still living today. Dawkins' fruitless endeavour merely shows how accurate and effective the Atlas of Creation is. This goes to show that the Atlas of Creation has been instrumental in evolution's heading for a total collapse.

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106. Comment #264775 by Quetzalcoatl on October 15, 2008 at 8:01 am

Hey MaxD, welcome back! What've you been up to?

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107. Comment #264776 by MaxD on October 15, 2008 at 8:03 am

I've been in the field, trapping raptors.

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108. Comment #264777 by God fearing Atheist on October 15, 2008 at 8:05 am

#264761 by Ultraviolet G

I hear you. You may well be right, but if you are not ...

#264763 by stevenb40
- Faster swimming fish may not be prey to others, but they still keep on living as fish

Adult fish gets hit by cosmic ray in reproductive cells. Cosmic ray knocks out part of a gene that is mis-repaired. Fish has 1000 babies, 500 of which have the mis-repair. However the mis-repair actually encodes a protein that makes the offspring swim 0.5% faster.
Hence slightly more offspring with the mutation survive to reproduce than those without the mutation. Hence the mutation spreads slowly in the population over the generations. There is no noticable difference between the original fish and its offspring. However, there can be change over millions of years as this kind of process repeats billions of times.

If it was all done by "God", who created "God"?

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109. Comment #264779 by stevenb40 on October 15, 2008 at 8:05 am

DO NOT MISS!!

GRIEVING DARWINISTS
http://www.grievingdarwinists.com/

DARWINIST PANIC
http://www.darwinistpanic.com/

REPLY TO DAWKINS
http://www.replytodawkins.com/

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110. Comment #264780 by Tyler Durden on October 15, 2008 at 8:08 am

stevenb40,

Perhaps you could list some of the "thousands of evidence for creation by God" that appear on Harun Yahya's website or in his "Atlas of Creation".

- Which God?
- How did this God achieve this?
- Can you type/think for yourself or only cut 'n' paste from other creationist websites?

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111. Comment #264784 by epeeist on October 15, 2008 at 8:10 am

stevenb40 - we have an award on this site, it is known as the "wooter of the week" award. You win it hands down.

Let's assume that the theory of evolution is false. How do you explain the commonalities between human and chimp DNA? How do you explain the fact that both human and chimp DNA have the same endogenous retro-virus fragments in exactly the same places in the genome? How do you explain something that looks like a cross between fish and the first four legged animals (http://tiktaalik.uchicago.edu/)?

After all, if the ToE is wrong you must have something else that explains this kind of thing, yes?

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112. Comment #264785 by phatbat on October 15, 2008 at 8:10 am

106. Comment #264763 by stevenb40

- Hundred millions of fossils in intact form and completely exact copies of modern animals give evidence that several hundred million years ago:

No not hundreds of millions, a few are SIMILAR to animals living now, which as explained is exactly what evolution would predict.

Go and learn some science.

there were no trial-error mechanisms in nature since there is no single evidence of such an organism

No that's right, there is no trial and error MECHANISM, there doesn't have to be, you obviously don't understand how it works.

Go and learn some science.

Evolutionists claim that nature selected the advantageous, who is the decision maker? Trees, water, sun, air...

Why do you think there is a decision maker at all, you have yet again demonstrated your complete misunderstanding of simple concepts, and you seem proud of it.

Go and learn some science.

Better running rabbits may live longer, but this does not turn them into any other species

No, that wouldn't turn them into different species.

- Faster swimming fish may not be prey to others, but they still keep on living as fish

Yep that's right, this isn't an argument against evolution, does the fact you think it is, and you're told it's not perhapse give you a clue you might not have been told the whole story by your magic turkish yoyo friend?

Go and learn some science.

NATURAL SELECTION DOES NOT ADD NEW GENETIC INFORMATION TO THE EXISTING DNA OF ANY SPECIES

No, natural selection doesn't add the information. Do you even understand what it is you don't believe? You should feel very embarrased that you thought you had some killer arguments against evolution but in fact they were all things that evolution allows for.

You can carry on making yourself look stupid if you like, it's very helpfull for us to have people like you coming here as mechanisms for getting rid of fallacies like your's.

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113. Comment #264789 by asyouwere on October 15, 2008 at 8:13 am

18. Comment #264779 by stevenb40 on October 15, 2008 at 8:05 am

Nice.

Puts me in mind of Ms. Palin's campaign rhetoric.

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114. Comment #264790 by Quetzalcoatl on October 15, 2008 at 8:15 am

Everyone also needs to check out this site:

http://www.stoptrollingandgoawaystevenb40.com

Phatbat-

I think he's confusing evolution with Spore.

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115. Comment #264791 by stevenb40 on October 15, 2008 at 8:17 am

GOD GIVES EVIDENCE OF HIS CREATION IN THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH

Consider the following without prejudice and ignorance:

- There are actually no transition or graduation as evolution claims. This is apparent in all the living beings over the world. We only need our eyes to see.

- Even the 3.5 billion year old bacteria is so capable with reproduction abilities, genetic code, DNA with flawless structure etc. There is no place for randomness, no place for any primitiveness, anywhere!

- Look at the earth and how it is positioned in the universe with so minute, intrinsic and delicate balances. Who could have succeeded in designing, planning this? The dust in the skies, the hydrogen bomb explosions in the stars, dark matter, what?

GOD SHOWS US HIS PRESENCE AND CREATION BY WHAT HE HAS CREATED IN THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH

BUT WE NEED EYES (CONSCIENCE) TO SEE

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116. Comment #264794 by Philip1978 on October 15, 2008 at 8:20 am

Its the use of capital letters that makes me laugh, I am with Douglas Adams all the way on this one

Capital letters were always the best way of dealing with things you didn't have a good answer to.

You creationists don't have a good enough answer to refute evolution so you make erroneous assumptions that you refuse to back up and then call the experts who know more than you do about it idiots!

What is the point guys and girls, who are you going to convince without proper researched evidence?

Can you test your assumptions like for instance its is your god beyond all reasonable doubt rather than the multitude of other gods out there that could claim the same property rights?

No, so why bother making such idiotic assertions when you can't even produce the one important thing you are claiming is interfering in all of this?

Go and read some decent books and test stuff, its the best advice I can give you!

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117. Comment #264795 by Tyler Durden on October 15, 2008 at 8:21 am

Comment #264791 by stevenb40

stevenb40,

That's not evidence. Just a jumble of words that you think make sense - they don't.

evidence
noun
1. that which tends to prove or disprove something; ground for belief; proof.
2. something that makes plain or clear; an indication or sign.
3. data presented to a court or jury in proof of the facts in issue and which may include the testimony of witnesses, records, documents, or objects.

So? Evidence for this God, and "evidence for creation by God" that you claim exists. You made the claim, back it up!

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118. Comment #264796 by asyouwere on October 15, 2008 at 8:21 am

Comment #264791 by stevenb40 on October 15, 2008 at 8:17 am

"GOD GIVES EVIDENCE OF HIS CREATION IN THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH"

Finally some evidence.

You've convinced me. God is great, not to mention a damn fine creator.

Edit: Wait, I forgot to ask which God you were making reference to. Please clarify for me. This is an important distinction, because there are quite a few you know.

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119. Comment #264797 by epeeist on October 15, 2008 at 8:23 am

Comment #264791 by stevenb40

- There are actually no transition or graduation as evolution claims

But we are assuming that natural selection is false.

Why don't you try and answer the questions I asked in comment #264784?

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120. Comment #264798 by Caudimordax on October 15, 2008 at 8:25 am

Consider the following without prejudice and ignorance:

Done.

Conclusion - author of Comment #264791 is a certifiable fruitloop. Is this deliberate disingenuousness? Or do you really not understand the first thing about science? Others have suggested that you read a book or two - something along the lines of The Blind Watchmaker, but I'm sure you won't bother.

Broke my own rule about not getting involved with trying to refute blatherfesters

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121. Comment #264800 by God fearing Atheist on October 15, 2008 at 8:26 am

#264777 by God fearing Atheist

#264761 by Ultraviolet G

I hear you. You may well be right, but if you are not ...

You are right. I'm using the [troll] button.

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122. Comment #264801 by Caudimordax on October 15, 2008 at 8:31 am

Why is the tiger on the replytodawkins website wearing a party hat?

Edit: Because the website designers there are no more careful than the designers who selected the famous fishhook photo for AoC.

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123. Comment #264803 by Tyler Durden on October 15, 2008 at 8:31 am

I predict the next comment by stevenb40 will contain a severe and unwarrented use of caps and will be cut 'n' pasted from some creationist website.

If I'm wrong, may Quetzalcoatl strike me down where I stand :)

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124. Comment #264805 by phatbat on October 15, 2008 at 8:37 am

124. Comment #264791 by stevenb40

I think you've raised quite enough already, why don't you try dealing with the issues u've already brought up?

Your failure to do this just makes u look like u don't really know what ur talking about.

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125. Comment #264806 by Quetzalcoatl on October 15, 2008 at 8:37 am

If I'm wrong, may Quetzalcoatl strike me down where I stand :)

- Cracks knuckles, hunts around for lightning bolt -

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126. Comment #264808 by nalfeshnee on October 15, 2008 at 8:42 am

FOSSIL EVIDENCE HAS NO PLACE FOR GRADUATION

I would suggest that there hasn't been much of a place for graduation in stevenb40's life, either.

Or even high school, for that matter.

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127. Comment #264810 by epeeist on October 15, 2008 at 8:47 am

Comment #264801 by Caudimordax

Why is the tiger on the replytodawkins website wearing a party hat?

And why are they all read-only sites?

Where are the Harun Yahya blog sites that work like this one, register and post without moderation?

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128. Comment #264813 by God fearing Atheist on October 15, 2008 at 8:51 am

#264810 by epeeist
And why are they all read-only sites?

Because they aren't evolutionary? :-)

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129. Comment #264814 by phatbat on October 15, 2008 at 8:51 am

123. Comment #264790 by Quetzalcoatl

Phatbat-

I think he's confusing evolution with Spore.

hehe yeah - have you played it, i think it's really good, but the space stage seems like it's going to be a long slow slog to get through it.

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130. Comment #264815 by Tezcatlipoca on October 15, 2008 at 8:53 am

"THE CADDIS FLY IS STILL ALIVE TODAY"

Not the one pictured with the hook in it...

hahahaahaaha...(co-workers are not amused by my spontaneous laughter....)

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131. Comment #264816 by Quetzalcoatl on October 15, 2008 at 8:56 am

phatbat-

I only have the Creature Creator. I'm not letting myself buy the actual game, otherwise I'd sit around playing it for hours and never get anything done!

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132. Comment #264825 by epeeist on October 15, 2008 at 9:12 am

Stevenb40 - comment #264784, any answers?

*crickets*

Tumbleweed....

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133. Comment #264827 by Hellene on October 15, 2008 at 9:17 am

Just a couple of thoughts.

1) Hanum YiaYia graduated from which university?
2) And his degree was in?
3) He published in which scientific journal? And was peer reviewed when?
4) How much did creation atlas cost to print? Where did the money come from?

EDIT: Also how does YiaYia reconcile using images from the internet without the users permission? Does he condone stealing?

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134. Comment #264831 by Tezcatlipoca on October 15, 2008 at 9:22 am

Hellene re-264827 question 4 part 2

Wasn't it extorted from people?

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135. Comment #264834 by God fearing Atheist on October 15, 2008 at 9:28 am

Ah, how sweet! Robin Hood - extorted all that money, used it to print all those lovely books, and sent them to deprived biologists and schools all over the world!

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136. Comment #264838 by Hellene on October 15, 2008 at 9:32 am

Prof. Dawkins mentioned that Oxford press would charge 500,000 pounds for 10,000 copies. That's $750,000! I would like to know where that money came from. Particularly since the book was given away. This is a serious issue.

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137. Comment #264840 by alan baylis on October 15, 2008 at 9:37 am

That was another fine performance by Richard, which is borne out by the reaction we can see here. These creationists just do not like it up 'em!

Excellent stuff. :-)


MaxD, welcome back.

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138. Comment #264848 by RichardofYork on October 15, 2008 at 9:47 am

Fronkey??? http://www-tc.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/leopards/images/tarsier.jpeg wheres me trillions of quids?

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139. Comment #264869 by bendigeidfran on October 15, 2008 at 10:39 am

Are we then to assume that the life forms we see today are unchanged, as intended, Allah's best efforts? With magic a child could do better. Perhaps He is a fuckwit.

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140. Comment #264873 by Erik Li on October 15, 2008 at 10:54 am

Adnan Oktar aka Harun Yahya has made a national daily newspaper's website to be banned in Turkey today. The website is still banned by this moment (20:48 Istanbul time).

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141. Comment #264888 by Vidar on October 15, 2008 at 11:40 am

Someone needs to replace the cameraman. The idiot is showing the audience when he is supposed to show Richard's slides.
Is Richard going to post the presentation itself on this site?

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142. Comment #264889 by Bonzai on October 15, 2008 at 11:40 am

This is wonderful. However, I don't know how much political influence does the organizations like the CEMB have. The U.K government is apparently still commited to faith schools, it is not listening.

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143. Comment #264890 by Bonzai on October 15, 2008 at 11:45 am

Richard Dawkins made the excellent point that demographic projections about the number of Muslims being X by year Y are all based on the assumptions that children are Muslims are automatically Muslims. We allowed that to happen only if our policies encourage segretations and insist that people define themselves that way (faith schools, Sharia in arbitration)

Fanusi should take note if he is still reading(I hope he is, and I hope he would post here again).

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144. Comment #264891 by DiveMedic on October 15, 2008 at 11:48 am

I FOUND AN EXTANT TRANSITIONAL CREATURE!!! IM RICH!

http://scienceblogs.com/scientificactivist/upload/2006/07/jackalope.jpg

Where is my check?

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145. Comment #264892 by thewhitepearl on October 15, 2008 at 11:51 am

Nobody can say he doesn't have balls

Ha.

Any way this was very enjoyable, amusing, and excellent lecture.

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146. Comment #264897 by Swordmaiden on October 15, 2008 at 12:14 pm

StevenB40"Evidence is clear, but you need to free yourself from prejudice to see the obvious fact that
REALLY THERE WAS NO EVOLUTION. "


....he is having a laugh.....right? Right.

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147. Comment #264904 by epeeist on October 15, 2008 at 12:31 pm

Comment #264891 by DiveMedic

Where is my check?

Get in the queue - http://freethoughtpedia.com/wiki/Image:Crocoduck.jpg

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148. Comment #264921 by gyokusai on October 15, 2008 at 12:52 pm

Oh boy, my head hurts---could anyone please go and make the trollophone stop ringing?

I see some perfect candidate specimens here who, in time, would make a great contribution to the richness of the fossil record in PZ's dungeon.

^_^J.

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149. Comment #264927 by markg on October 15, 2008 at 1:07 pm

Has someone been a naughty boy?

Why is a comment by epeeist in the alternate comment thread?

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150. Comment #264932 by Greybishop on October 15, 2008 at 1:16 pm

It is my fault that my Keynote 'slides' are not in there. I was supposed to send them in to Reza, the conference film-maker, so that he could drop them in to the film, but I didn't get around to it in time. I have sent them in now, both to Reza and to Josh. One way or the other, they should be up there by tomorrow.
Very sorry
Richard

I am happy to withdraw my wish throttle the camera person.

Very gracious of you to clarify and take responsibility. Thank you.

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