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May I also, rather cheekily, take this opportunity to plug a new book called Deluded by Dawkins? by Andrew Wilson. Its only 112 pages and costs £4.99 and knocks the stuffing out of the Professor's arguments in his The God Delusion. You can buy it from your local Xn bookshop. Happy reading.203. Comment #22450 by fonex_86 on February 18, 2007 at 6:16 pm
GBG, I appreciate the links you gave, and have read at least some of them.204. Comment #22473 by Hoddlwood on February 19, 2007 at 6:26 am
You are absolutely right, Gim. We must not let the fact that no one on has ever replicated Austin's work on Mt St Helens distract us from its obvious certainty. Just because Austin's paper is a single piece of work contradicted by all other scientific research should not allow us to miss the truth. After all, Austin agrees with God's Word, so it must be true.205. Comment #22477 by gimlibengloin on February 19, 2007 at 9:41 am
Hoddlwood (204)206. Comment #22481 by gimlibengloin on February 19, 2007 at 10:00 am
fonex_86 (203)207. Comment #22484 by gimlibengloin on February 19, 2007 at 10:09 am
fonex_86 continued208. Comment #22493 by Hoddlwood on February 19, 2007 at 2:11 pm
You're right Gimwhateverurcalled, I am bored.209. Comment #22498 by gimlibengloin on February 19, 2007 at 2:28 pm
Hoddlwood (208)210. Comment #22552 by Hoddlwood on February 19, 2007 at 2:57 pm
Gim,211. Comment #22563 by gimlibengloin on February 19, 2007 at 3:32 pm
Hoddlwood (210)212. Comment #22626 by Hoddlwood on February 20, 2007 at 6:10 am
NoLongerHaveBelief does not speak for me, we 'athiests' are not part of a team. We think for ourselves, rather than follow an old, dusty, work of fiction...sorry, I mean Word of God.213. Comment #22633 by epeeist on February 20, 2007 at 3:58 am
Uh, unfortunately this is not correct. What your doing is taking texts out of their literary context and then interpreting them as if they were statements of fact.
Again this is incorrect and you havn't understood the difference between empirical science and evolutionary theory.
214. Comment #22835 by gimlibengloin on February 23, 2007 at 2:03 pm
epeeist (213)215. Comment #22932 by Dimitar on February 24, 2007 at 5:25 pm
GBG,216. Comment #23403 by gimlibengloin on February 28, 2007 at 1:16 pm
Dimitar217. Comment #23404 by gimlibengloin on February 28, 2007 at 1:23 pm
Dimitar218. Comment #23416 by DerrickB on February 28, 2007 at 1:51 pm
grimlibenglion219. Comment #23420 by DerrickB on February 28, 2007 at 2:13 pm
and if anyone is interested in the Bombardier Beetle and why grimlibenglion mentioned it:220. Comment #23512 by gimlibengloin on March 1, 2007 at 11:14 am
DerrickB221. Comment #23513 by gimlibengloin on March 1, 2007 at 11:19 am
"and if anyone is interested in the Bombardier Beetle and why grimlibenglion mentioned it:"222. Comment #23514 by BaronOchs on March 1, 2007 at 11:32 am
223. Comment #23515 by BillySands on March 1, 2007 at 11:36 am
224. Comment #23516 by BillySands on March 1, 2007 at 11:44 am
225. Comment #23529 by Dimitar on March 1, 2007 at 1:16 pm
Indeed, it is very silly. We are defining science by Wikipedia now, are we? Really GBG, surely you can do better than that?226. Comment #23694 by gimlibengloin on March 2, 2007 at 5:37 am
Billy227. Comment #23697 by gimlibengloin on March 2, 2007 at 5:47 am
Dimitar228. Comment #23700 by gimlibengloin on March 2, 2007 at 5:54 am
Dimitar229. Comment #23703 by epeeist on March 2, 2007 at 6:09 am
Nevertheless, it is the case that evolutionary theory is not the same as emprical science. Talking about alleged historical events that can't be observed, verified, repeated etc is not the same as the hardheaded scince that is used when getting rockets into space.
230. Comment #23731 by Dimitar on March 2, 2007 at 9:22 am
GBG,231. Comment #23739 by Mikado on March 2, 2007 at 10:44 am
I have just one question to any creationists: Explain the human teeth, why did god love dentists so much that he/she/it did not provide us with a better set of teeth?232. Comment #23887 by gimlibengloin on March 3, 2007 at 11:19 am
Dimitar (230)233. Comment #23888 by gimlibengloin on March 3, 2007 at 11:27 am
Dimitar (230)234. Comment #23963 by Dimitar on March 3, 2007 at 7:15 pm
GBG,235. Comment #24010 by Dimitar on March 4, 2007 at 6:45 am
GBG,236. Comment #25354 by gimlibengloin on March 12, 2007 at 1:12 pm
Dimitar237. Comment #25356 by gimlibengloin on March 12, 2007 at 1:19 pm
Dimitar238. Comment #25362 by BaronOchs on March 12, 2007 at 2:48 pm
"Because Darwin's principles of explanation are immanent, functional and "historical" they really illuminate the mutual adaptation of insect and orchid, the stag's antlers and the peacock's courtship. By contrast Paley's view of nature . . .is strangely uninformative. Paley claims there is a benevolent world-making and world-directing providence. Can we then specify what the purpose of cosmic history is and predict the next few turns in the plot? - Of course not. Can we at least say for sure that nothing very nasty is going to happen to us? -No. Here is an attractive, edible-looking berry . . .can I safely predict from the theory of the Great Designer's benevolence that this berry will turn out to be nutritious? -I certainly cannot. Then just how informative is Paley's theory?"
~Don Cupitt, Taking Leave of God, SCM Press 1980
239. Comment #25602 by Dimitar on March 14, 2007 at 9:28 am
GBG,240. Comment #26948 by gimlibengloin on March 22, 2007 at 1:20 pm
BaronOchs (and Dimitar)241. Comment #27281 by BaronOchs on March 23, 2007 at 5:45 pm
242. Comment #27286 by BaronOchs on March 23, 2007 at 6:14 pm
243. Comment #27287 by BaronOchs on March 23, 2007 at 6:30 pm
But at least on the evidence of this quote he doesn't explain how Darwinism "illuminates" nor as to how its illumination contrasts with the Design Argument.
One doesn't need Darwinism to do such illuminating and on the evidence of Richard dawkins attempts in Climbing Mt Improbable it singularly fails.
244. Comment #27349 by gimlibengloin on March 24, 2007 at 7:32 am
Dimitar (239)245. Comment #27372 by gimlibengloin on March 24, 2007 at 8:56 am
BaronOchs (243)246. Comment #27391 by BaronOchs on March 24, 2007 at 11:00 am
247. Comment #27987 by gimlibengloin on March 27, 2007 at 1:55 pm
Baron Ochs (246)248. Comment #28008 by BaronOchs on March 27, 2007 at 3:00 pm
201. Comment #22441 by gimlibengloin on February 17, 2007 at 12:21 pm
epeeist (197)"If this is the case then the Bible needs to be accepted as the ultimate source of truth and the basis of our morality. However, this means accepting it all, not just the bits you like. Cherrypicking is not allowed."
Exactly! I commend you for telling it like it is
"This means accepting that when the Bible was written the Earth was flat and had four corners. It means accepting that at this period the Sun went around the Earth."
Uh, unfortunately this is not correct. What your doing is taking texts out of their literary context and then interpreting them as if they were statements of fact. I should emphasise that creationists do not advocate a literal reading of the Bible as if when Jesus says, "I am the door" he means that he is literally a door with hinges and a lock. One has to read the context. Even today we moderns say, "I'm going to watch the sun RISE/SET". Why do you judge the scripture differently. Isn't it strange that in Gen 1 where we do have a description of a genuine historical event it doesn't refer to the "pillars of the heavens" or the "four corners of the earth"?
Not only this but your guilty of ignoring the many statements in line with science: the earth is suspended on nothing (Job 26:7), the number of stars is equivalent to the grains of sand on the seashore (Gen 13:16 and 15:5 and 22:17), the continents were originally one land mass (Gen 1:9), there are springs on the ocean depths (Job 38:16), dinosaurs walked the earth (Job 40:15-41:34).
"It also means accepting that the Earth is only a few thousand years old. The consequence of this is that it is not just evolution that is wrong, but cosmology, geology, most of physics and chemistry. Essentially it means that the scientific method is invalid."
Again this is incorrect and you havn't understood the difference between empirical science and evolutionary theory. I've noticed that a lot of sceptics on this site are not familiar with the actual biblical, creationist position. This would be like me not being familar with Dawkins books. As a consequence I've dug out two short introductory articles for you and also one list of related articles:
www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/2480
www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/3258/106/
www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/3040/
Regards, GBG
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