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Monday, November 5, 2007 | Reason : Commentary | print version Print | Comments

Document Response to Dinesh D'Souza op-ed

by Kelly O'Connor

Reposted from: The blog of KellyM78

Here's the link to the original article and below is my response. Enjoy.

Anybody who has ever perused the "Religion" section of the local bookstore has undoubtedly seen that the sheer volume of available apologetics material is most certainly not in danger of being over taken by the comparatively miniscule, if even present, section of books on atheism. That notwithstanding, the response from believers to books like Richard Dawkins' The God Delusion or Christopher Hitchens' God Is Not Great has been so vociferous that one would think that it was in imminent peril. As much as I would relish that notion, it is apparent that instead of diminishing, it is in fact increasing--with new names, albeit old arguments.

The newest poster-boy for defenders of Christianity is Dinesh D'Souza. He has written books in response to or publicly debated many of the forerunners of the so-called "New Atheism". His recent op-ed in the USA Today section "On Religion" (Oct 22, 2007) is but a fragment of the kind of nonsense that passes for valid argumentation in the realm of apologetics. While reading it, one must wonder if he is either a blatant liar or simply downright deluded. (Maybe this could be the D'Souza Dilemma: Dishonest or Deluded?)

The fact that anybody with even a shred of logic or knowledge of history would make it past his opening salvo without lighting it on fire is a miracle of its own. Is he a champion of the provocation of hysteria, or does he realize that atheists don't want to remove Christianity from the history of the founding of the country--It was never there! Does he not know that we already live in a secular society--we just want to keep it that way? That all of the values and institutions that he claims are "inextricably tied" to his faith existed before Christianity and were instilled in this country which was explicitly created to not have ties to any particular religion? Somebody should point out to him that it is this type of rhetoric against which we rail.

It is not particularly difficult to portray religion as the thorn in the side of civilization. A cursory glance at world politics will reveal that the impetus for the majority of both current and historical instances of bloodshed, terrorism, and genocide is religion. The fact that the entire basis for belief in any god is faith, the definition of which is the antithesis of reason, manifests itself in the fanaticism of its adherents. Whether you call this invisible and undetectable being Yahweh or Allah is of little consequence--were it not for the unshakable faith of the believers, people would be much less willing to kill or die in order to reap the rewards of the promised afterlife.

This is the fundamental reason why faith is so dangerous. A belief system founded upon faith is untouchable. One cannot reason with that person; in fact, a believer is taught to purposely ignore valid arguments and trained to feel guilty if the uncomfortable sensation of doubt begins to plague them. Mr. D'Souza, in his attempt to exonerate faith, particularly his brand, then ascribes to faith all that we as Americans hold dear. It is a mere ploy to appeal to the emotions of people who value democratic ideals and scientific progress.

His blatantly fallacious anthropocentric argument for the supposed "perfection" of the universe has been exposed by others much more knowledgeable than I in that realm and betrays his presuppositions regarding the order that we observe. It is in fact an observation. As cognizant beings, we like to categorize and quantify that which is taken in by our sensory organs. The universe is just as adept, if not more so, at creating black holes as it is at creating planets that can sustain life. His inference that this necessarily must be from a divine creator is not evidence of that at all, unless his god also enjoys swallowing galaxies into a vacuum from which nothing can escape. (I won't even touch the list of "Christian" scientists, some of whom were forced under penalty of torture and death to swear fealty to their divine lord.)

Concerning democracy, I would like for him to explain how, if Christianity is responsible for democracy, the Ancient Greeks had democratic societies. Why is it that he credits god with the Jeffersonian dictum that "all men are created equal" when Jefferson himself was not a Christian and in fact owned slaves? To them, the "men" were those that the elite decided were "men", and that didn't include blacks, women, or Native Americans. Although this does sound very similar to the type of behavior that the god of Moses, Joshua, or David would endorse, it seems little like the one that D'Souza tries to conflate with democratic ideals.

Finally, the association that he claims between Christianity and human rights is the epitome of absurdity. It would behoove D'Souza to speak to some homosexuals about "the right to marry and form a family". His equality-espousing god speaks of homosexuality as an abomination and punishable by death. His followers, supposedly created in his image, have done more to thwart universal human rights than any other group short of the Third Reich.

D'Souza is right about one thing, though. I will not hesitate to privately and publicly acknowledge the role that Christianity has had in "the things that matter most to us": It has worked it's hardest to obfuscate the truth, subvert scientific advancement, and decimate those who do not allow themselves to be swayed by vapid argumentation and psychological terrorism. Those are the things that matter most to me.

This is the opening piece in a year long series that Kelly of the Rational Response Squad will be writing to address theist talking heads in the media. All articles may be reprinted in any major media publication or any blog. Reprints in blogs must link to source. Reprints in media will be thanked in our book, so please alert Kelly at her email if you repost any story. Media outlets may shorten articles if necessary without removing context. Upon completion, a book and documentary will be made about the year (ending Oct. 31, 2008) and our plight to have dishonest argumentation countered with rational and factual answers. If you would like Kelly to address any major media story from a theist talking head, please post a link to the article in her blog.

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1. Comment #85326 by Dower on November 5, 2007 at 1:42 pm

The RRS' style is fine for blogs and podcasts, but now it looks like Kelly is hoping to get her stuff published by some papers. If she wants that to happen (and if it happens, if she doesn't want to tarnish our reputation, heh), she has to stop writing as if she were flaming a troll on a forum.


I spent 40 years on the copy desk of a major Illinois newspaper. Kelly's article held my attention from the first word to the last. She definitely has the writing style that would grab the attention of religion page editors.

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2. Comment #85330 by Dower on November 5, 2007 at 1:48 pm

This is a childish insult. Yes, you're right, D'Souza is dishonest and deluded, but stating it so bluntly makes you look bad. Most importantly, if you have to insult him in such a way, do it at the end of a paragraph _after_ you've given evidence that he is in fact a deluded liar. It's not something you say in an article's introduction.


No different than what Hitchens does.

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3. Comment #85332 by Dower on November 5, 2007 at 1:50 pm

A certain degree of subtlety is a must in professional writing.


As a retired professional newspaper editor, I am inclined to say that is a bunch of crap.

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4. Comment #85349 by Dower on November 5, 2007 at 2:25 pm

Okay, a certain degree of subtlety when it comes to insults.


I think Kelly should continue to phrase it however she wants, just like Hitchens does.

The trouble with so many writers is they expect everybody to read between the lines. Tell it like it is and let the chips fall where they may. Too hell with subtlety.

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5. Comment #85424 by Dower on November 5, 2007 at 8:27 pm

-I'm not sure if I'm persuaded by your argument, Dower, inky wretch or not, that a good editor says "Too hell with subtelty", and not just because of the careless spelling. There is something called respect for the intelligence of the reader.


"Crazy old man" is an appropriate name for you, my friend. You misquoted my post by changing the spelling of the word you accuse me of misspelling.

Shame on you.

BTW, showing "respect for the intelligence of the reader" doesn't mean we have to pussy-foot around.


Dower

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6. Comment #85537 by Dower on November 6, 2007 at 5:35 am

54. Comment #85527 by crazy old man on November 6, 2007 at 4:14 am
Dower,

Respectfully, it's comment number 85349. Check it out for yourself. The word is missplelled. There's always the "edit" feature, if it really bothers you.

I know it was a cheap shot. I just couldn't resist. I happen to agree with you that being direct trumps subtelty, for the most part. If Kelly had an editor, we'd probably none of us be having this exchange. She's self-publishing, and that's not easy. Everybody has to start out somewhere, and I'd say the RRS has gotten pretty far to be a topic of discussion in the first place.

Also, I have just watched a video on the RRS website titled: "Kelly and Sapient Strip for T-Shirt Sales", and while I did not buy a T-shirt, I have come away with a new appreciation for Kelly's rack.



Crazy old man: Before accusing other people of misspelling a word, look it up in the dictionary. You have two misspelled words here, including the one you say I am misspelling.

Some people are so quick on the trigger with their "cheap shots" they come off looking pretty stupid.


Dower

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7. Comment #85546 by Dower on November 6, 2007 at 6:13 am

From Crazy Old Man:

I know it was a cheap shot. I just couldn't resist. I happen to agree with you that being direct trumps subtelty, for the most part. If Kelly had an editor, we'd probably none of us be having this exchange. She's self-publishing, and that's not easy. Everybody has to start out somewhere, and I'd say the RRS has gotten pretty far to be a topic of discussion in the first place.


Crazy Old Man, get a dictionary and see if you can find "subtelty."

Then shut up.

Dower

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8. Comment #85587 by Dower on November 6, 2007 at 9:36 am

Crazy Old Man, you give our cause a bad name by using the same dishonest tactics that the faith-based folks use.

Look up your own spelling of "subtelty" -- yes, that is YOUR version -- and tell me what you find. It is spelled "subtlety," which is the way I have been spelling it all along.

BTW, the only reason I "represented" myself as a professional editor (retired after 40 years) was to establish my expertise in the field before stating that Kelly's article was something that we in the newspaper business would publish.

And, no, I will not accept your invitation to "show some solidarity" in your bedroom. I am not gay.

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9. Comment #85602 by Dower on November 6, 2007 at 11:30 am

...Dower. You bastard ...


This is supposed to highlight your rationality?

You jump on people over a typo and make excuses for your own?

Is that, too, supposed to highlight your rationality?

Sorry, but you are no more rational than the faith-heads.

Dower

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10. Comment #85618 by Dower on November 6, 2007 at 1:51 pm

You are very committed to disliking me. I can see that.


Crazy Old Man, I don't like anybody who calls me a bastard on an open board.

Dower

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11. Comment #86009 by Dower on November 7, 2007 at 8:16 pm

Christ on a bike Dower, can't you see the guy's been trying to make peace with you for YOUR misinterpretation of HIS bad joke for the last 6 posts? Chill the f**k out man!


You are a day late and a dollar short, moron.

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