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Tuesday, August 1, 2006 | Science : In the News | print version Print | Comments |

Document Collateral Damage 1: Embryos and Stem Cell Research.

by Richard Dawkins

This is the first of a series of occasional articles that I hope to be writing for original publication on this website. In my second article, I shall continue the theme of Collateral Damage, from a different point of view.

George Bush has just vetoed a bill, approved by both Houses of Congress, which would have allowed federal funding for embryonic stem cell research. Apparently the President's ethical philosophy places a higher value on American embryos than on Iraqi or Lebanese men, women and children. Don't misunderstand 'embryos', by the way. We are not talking miniature babies here. The 'embryos' used for stem cell research are no bigger than a pinhead, and completely lacking in sentience of any kind.The illogical and hypocritical inconsistency between Bush's stance on embryonic stem cell research on the one hand, and on slaughtered and maimed Iraqis and Lebanese on the other, is the subject of this article. It is an inconsistency that you could find only in a mind massively infected with the disease of religion.

It is possible to justify civilian casualties of war, if you can make a good 'lesser of two evils' case. In Donald Rumsfeld's charming phraseology, 'stuff happens': civilian deaths are 'collateral damage.' In this article, I shall compare two kinds of collateral damage — civilians as casualties of war, and embryos as casualties of stem cell research — demonstrating the hypocrisy of those who happily condone the first while vetoing the second. It is worse than hypocrisy, because of the grotesque inequality in suffering caused by the two cases.

If there is a moral justification for collateral damage, it is inherent in the word collateral. To justify collateral damage, you must make a case that it really is an unavoidable by-product of the attainment of a greater good. And the magnitude of that greater good must exceed the magnitude of the collateral damage by some appreciable margin. The atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima in 1945 caused enormous damage — death, burns, injury and long-term radiation effects — to innocent Japanese non-combatants. The justification offered is that it accelerated the ending of the war, thereby saving more lives than were lost. That, of course, raises the usual questions. Why the second bomb on Nagasaki? Why drop the bomb on a city at all, instead of staging a spectacular demonstration in an unpopulated area? But I leave such questions to one side. The general principle is that collateral damage is justifiable only by setting it off against a greater good. The collateral damage must be the lesser of evils, otherwise it is morally indefensible.

Those who object to embryonic stem cell research mostly do so on the grounds that embryos die in the process. Embryo deaths are collateral damage, in the service of medical research. The research itself is almost universally agreed to be a good thing. The question, then, is whether the medical benefits of embryonic stem cell research outweigh the collateral damage of embryo deaths. In our efforts to calibrate these pluses and minuses, we shall be helped by a comparison with the equivalent pluses and minuses of the wars now raging in Iraq and Lebanon. How much pain, misery and bereavement is caused by the deaths of embryos in stem cell laboratories? Compare it with the pain, misery and bereavement caused by Lebanese and Iraqi deaths and injuries — and of course American, British and Israeli deaths and injuries too. Moving to the positive sides of the respective balances, how do the benefits of the American invasion of Iraq, or the Israeli bombardment of Lebanon, compare with the medical benefits of embryonic stem cell research?

Of the four quantities we need to assess, it would be macabre and unnecessary to detail the collateral damage to life and limb in Iraq and Lebanon. Nobody denies that it is appalling, and of immense scale. It had better be balanced by correspondingly huge benefits, and it is by no means agreed that this is the case. In Iraq, the only benefit of the American invasion would seem to be the departure of Saddam Hussein. This is no small benefit, but it is not widely agreed that it outweighs the demolition of the country's infrastructure, loss of water and electricity supplies, loss of communications, and loss of freedom to travel safely, let alone that it outweighs the current (and to many of us predictable) downward spiral into sectarian civil war between Sunni and Shia Muslims. Saddam Hussein's regime, for all its barbaric cruelty, might arguably be better, for the majority of Iraqis, than what has now been put in its place.

In Lebanon, everyone is appalled by the slaughter going on at this very moment as I write. In the entire world, only the governments of Israel and the United States (and of course Britain trotting loyally to heel) defend the Israeli action, and they do so on the grounds that, unpleasant as it is in the short term, it will be worth it in the long term if it succeeds in getting rid of Hezbollah. Innocent Lebanese civilians die as collateral damage, unfortunate side effects of the drive to destroy Hezbollah. Whether that drive will succeed is far from widely agreed. Even if it does succeed, many knowledgeable observers forecast that the subsequent backlash throughout the Arab world will wipe out any advantages there may be: exactly as happened in Iraq. The bottom line of the balance sheet for these two wars must be that the collateral damage is universally agreed to be dreadful, while the alleged benefits are at best disputed.

How do those costs and benefits stack up against the corresponding ones for embryonic stem cell research? On the benefit side, there is nearly 100% agreement that the medical benefits of embryonic stem cell research are potentially huge. Not even the most ardent opponents can deny this with any conviction. Even among those who, on moral grounds, prefer the use of adult stem cells, or stem cells obtained from the umbilical cord blood, no knowledgeable opponent denies that, from a purely scientific point of view, there are many purposes for which embryonic stem cells are preferable if not indispensable.

Unlike the disputed (that's putting it mildly) advantages of invading Iraq and bombarding Lebanese villages, the positive side of embryonic stem cell research, then, is overwhelmingly agreed. How about the negative side? How does the collateral damage in embryo deaths stack up against the collateral damage in Iraq and Lebanon? Is there, indeed, a negative side at all? Is it clear that killing a small cluster of embryonic cells is morally worse than, say, boiling a lobster? The lobster has a nervous system and probably feels pain. The embryonic cells certainly don't feel anything at all.

Stem CellLet's look at the negative side of killing embryos more carefully: the putative collateral damage. Collateral it certainly is, but is it damage? Damage to whom? Who suffers? Who feels bereaved? Who feels frightened? Note again that we are not talking about killing foetuses with little hands and feet, little miniature babies who open their mouths in the womb and even seem to cry. The embryos that are destroyed in stem cell research are blastocysts consisting of no more than 150 cells. Such a tiny entity, almost too small for us to see, has no nervous system of any kind. Philosophers tell us how difficult it is to know whether a creature such as a lobster feels pain. But it has a substantial nervous system, and many of us feel we should give it the benefit of the doubt — especially as there doesn't seem to be much doubt. But of one thing we can be pretty sure: an entity that lacks a nervous system altogether cannot feel pain. The embryo that dies as collateral damage during stem cell research no more suffers than your hair does when it is cut; the embryo feels no more fear than your toenails do at the menacing approach of the scissors.

The moral objection to killing blastocysts, then, cannot be based on suffering. So, what is it based on? Religion, almost always. It is partly a mystical reverence for humanness, as though all cells of Homo sapiens are suffused with a divine essence, some sort of sacred juice called Homsap, which no other species possesses.* Such a notion is fundamentally un-evolutionary. At what point in the line of descent from the common ancestor we share with chimpanzees, was the divine essence first injected? If you set aside what it will eventually grow into, there is no important difference between a human blastocyst and that of any other mammal. So we are left with the fact that human blastocysts, which can feel nothing now, have the future potential eventually to develop into beings that are capable of human suffering, human loves, hates and fears, human consciousness. It seems to me an inadequate basis for an ethical decision. Even if you disagree, you should surely at least consider the relative moral status of an Iraqi or Lebanese whose capacity to suffer is not just potential in the future, but here and now in the present.

If you ask me whether I care more about the destruction of a blastocyst, which theoretically has the potential to develop into a conscious human being, or the painful killing of an adult cow in an abattoir which has already reached its full potential, my answer is not in doubt. If I see a terrified cow about to have its throat cut by a Jewish or Muslim slaughterman who insists, purely for religious reasons, that it must be fully conscious when the knife hits, I want to intervene on its behalf. If I see a human blastocyst the size of a pinhead about to be flushed down the drain, do I want to intervene on its behalf? Oh come on, get real.

According to the moral philosopher John Harris, who has made a special study of such matters,

We now know that for every successful pregnancy which results in a live birth, many, perhaps as many as five, early embryos will be lost or 'miscarry' (although these are not perhaps miscarriages' as the term is normally used, because this sort of very early embryo loss is almost always entirely unnoticed). Many of these embryos will be lost because of genetic abnormalities, but some would have been viable. How are we to think of the decision to have a child in the light of these facts? One obvious and inescapable conclusion is that God and/or nature has ordained that 'spare' embryos be produced for almost every pregnancy, and that most of these will have to die in order that a sibling embryo can come to birth. Thus the sacrifice of embryos seems to be an inescapable and inevitable part of the process of procreation. It may not be intentional sacrifice, and it may not attend every pregnancy, but the loss of many embryos is the inevitable consequence of the vast majority of (and perhaps all) pregnancies. For everyone who knows the facts, it is conscious, knowing, and therefore deliberate sacrifice; and for everyone, regardless of 'guilty' knowledge, it is part of the true description of what they do in having or attempting to have children.**


Large numbers of embryos, in other words, die as collateral damage in any case, side effects of normal, natural attempts to get pregnant.

In vitro fertilization, IVF, is a wonderful technique whereby couples that cannot conceive normally are helped to achieve their dream. The woman is stimulated by hormone injections to super-ovulate. As many as a dozen eggs are harvested from her ovaries under general anaesthetic. An attempt is made to fertilize all these eggs with her husband's sperm, in a dish. Of those that are fertilized, two, or occasionally three, are chosen for insertion into the uterus. The remainder are either flushed down the drain, or used for research, or frozen for future possible use. Of the two or three that are implanted, the expectation is that no more than one will survive. Sometimes twins are born and very occasionally triplets. But doctors do not implant three conceptuses in the hope of making triplets. Quite the contrary. In the unlikely event that all three implant successfully and develop, normal practice is to kill at least one of them. A surplus is provided in the hope that one will survive. IVF doctors, in other words, do what nature (or God if that is how your mind works) does anyway: they budget extra embryos which are destined to die as collateral damage in the course of bringing one of their siblings to term.

Perhaps you still feel, on religious grounds, that there is an important distinction between God choosing to kill embryos, and humans making the choice. If that is how you feel, please at least give some attention to another distinction: the distinction between killing blastocysts as collateral damage, in medical research which will certainly achieve the saving of many lives, and killing innocent men, women and children, or blowing their limbs off, as collateral damage in a war which might just possibly achieve . . . what?

Of those conceptuses that IVF doctors freeze for possible future use, a very few are later implanted, often into a different woman. Some doctors are dubious about the practice, because they worry that freezing might damage the embryo. Nevertheless it is sometimes done, and a few 'snowflake' babies have been born. In announcing his veto of the bill allowing federal funding of stem cell research, Bush characteristically chose to make it a nauseating photo opportunity. He surrounded himself with 'snowflake' children, even taking one in his arms for the big climax to the photo-opp. Let us hope the resulting heart-warming photograph will comfort and console the bereaved in Iraq and Lebanon. Never mind that you have lost your limbs or your children: at least the fate of the world is in the hands of a man who is pro-life.

(Part 2 is coming soon!)


* See 'Homsap: Elixir of Holiness', originally one of my Free Inquiry columns and reproduced on this site at http://richarddawkins.net/mainPage.php?bodyPage=article_body.php&id=116

** John Harris (2002). The ethical use of human embryonic stem cells in research and therapy. In (Eds) Justine Burley & John Harris: A Companion to Genethics. Oxford: Blackwell.

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1. Comment #229 by Wilfred C. Lyon on September 23, 2006 at 3:08 pm

There is one other example of colateral damage that everyone seems to agree is acceptable, and yet kills human cells. That is an "ectomy", e.g., tonsilectomy, appendectomy, etc, or removal of cancerous tissue, which is still human. Even Christians do not seem to object to this colateral damage, yet they destroy human cells and kill "humanness".

I'm not sure with the recent exposure of bogus science where the extension of the argument stands, but at least these cells are potentially cloneable into "little us's", which would have sentience, etc.

I don't hear any complaints when someone, even a devout Christian, has their appendix removed, and thus their life is saved, but thus kill millions of human cells. Are they hypocrites, or is there some other explanation?

2. Comment #263 by Ophelia Benson on September 24, 2006 at 8:37 am

But of course all this is secular reasoning, and therefore beside the point.

3. Comment #264 by Ophelia Benson on September 24, 2006 at 8:43 am

But more seriously -



One wonders how much of a role habit plays, along with religion. War (and capital punishment) are long-established habits, whereas stem cell research is a novelty. People who don't have a habit (oh look, there it is again) of making an effort to think carefully about habits such as war and capital punishment and other established customs tend to assume that they are smiled on by the deity (otherwise, why would we have been doing them all this time?), while secular novelties at the hands of those suspect people, scientists, are a whole different kettle of fish, and need to be looked at with great suspicion, which then ought to become settled hostility.



That's a rather rude account, but I'm afraid there's a lot in it. Or maybe not, maybe it's only Bush who thinks that way.

4. Comment #273 by Don on September 24, 2006 at 12:55 pm

'So those who seek to ban the killing of embrio cells logically must ban anything else that prevents human life from happening.'

Very true, but to be fair many religious groups follow that logic, with stringent post-mortem consequences for masturbating or using contraceptives. And women who choose not to reproduce are increasingly criticised and held responsible for many and sinister societal ills.

In fact, a major ambition for most religious groups is control over sexuality and reproduction.

Religious texts, certainly of the Abrahamic tradition, make frequent and detailed explanations of how killing the 'other' can be pleasing and acceptable to God. These same texts, when they deal with sexuality and reproduction, are equally specific that only acts which increase the numbers of the group - within the specified social framework - are acceptable.

Makes perfect sense to me, given the historical context. Were I in charge of a tribe of semi-nomadic herdsmen with an eye on fertile land, I'd probably see that as a line worth pushing. But we have moved on, it really is time to leave that stuff behind.

5. Comment #312 by Hylo on September 25, 2006 at 12:26 pm

This has already been touched upon but I would like to develop it a little more as it's always been my main argument when debating this issue with someone who disagrees with SCR.

If we were to ban SCR because it prevents the potential for life to come into existence then forget making masturbation illegal, mustn't we also legalise rape? What woman would have the right to refuse a man if the end result is a life? How could a man be punished for rape if he argues that the woman was preventing him the potential to create life? Imagine how the feminists would react to such a law!

6. Comment #332 by Tina on September 26, 2006 at 3:04 am

Reminds me of Monty Python... "Every sperm is sacred, every sprem is good, if a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irrate!"

7. Comment #348 by Lorcán on September 26, 2006 at 1:57 pm

Let's all be grateful Barbara was good n' fertile (an' didn' need no IVF) - imagine George Jnr. was a triplet !!!

8. Comment #397 by Jenna on September 28, 2006 at 12:59 am

As for the stem cell issue, Bushie needs to send some time with real living children who are suffering and dying from diseases that the research might cure and have to tell them himself why they have no hope of recovery. I grew up in the Catholic Church, and I have seen first hand how insane their policies are concerning science and contraception. One nun actually had the nerve to say that the pope was opposed to birth control because "he loves women", nevermind the fact that the number killer of women in third world countries is complications from pregnancy. Everyone lauded Mother Theresa as a living saint. Yes, she was a wonderful, selfless human being dedicated to helping others. However, in the way that she could have helped them the most, she failed them miserably. She saw, on a daily basis, the suffering caused by having too many children without enough resources, and she refused to even question the Vatican's policy towards birth control. I am so grateful that countries whose laws and budgets for science that aren't controlled by religious dogmatist are researching (and hiring some of the world's finest scientists to do so) stem cells without restrictions. It's unfortunate that the US, the country that at one time lead the way in innovation, will be remembered as the backwards theocracy that tried to keep the world from discovering true miracles.

9. Comment #438 by Cruella on September 29, 2006 at 6:10 pm

Love the site and the article and the book. The subject of God-botherers defending the "right to life" of petri-dish cell clusters is not new of course. I have posted fully on what I am terming "Dawkinsian Feminism" here:

http://cruellablog.blogspot.com/2006/09/dawkinsian-feminism.html#comments

10. Comment #439 by Cruella on September 29, 2006 at 6:12 pm

Also in response to the discussion on "do you believe a human embryo has an immortal soul?". Some of us don't believe that humans, even grown up, university-educated ones, have an immortal soul..!

11. Comment #442 by Beverly Nuckols on September 29, 2006 at 8:31 pm

When, in the evolution of humans did we become different? When we started having conversations like this.

Cows don't have the concept of right and wrong. The primates who do seem to have the concept don't seem to plan, record and attempt to persuade others around the world and across the ages as to the finer details of morals, whatever their source.

12. Comment #447 by Cruella on September 30, 2006 at 6:50 am

Are you sure that animals don't have conversations like this? Firstly there are many documented case of animal altruism, individuals sacrificing themselves for the good of others - look at elderly elephants wandering off to die in the desert rather than slowing the herd down. Secondly there are types of monkeys known to communicate with a vocabulary of 72 different words.

I'm not saying they necessarily do but it's not something I'm sure about. They could well be having the:

Hurt-monkey-ourtribe-bad vs
Hurt-monkey-othertribe-good

or the:

Eatleaves-tribeleadertree-bad vs
Eatleaves-owntree-good

debate. An interesting read on the subject would be The Third Chimpanzee by Jared Diamond.

13. Comment #457 by Cruella on September 30, 2006 at 12:34 pm

Happy to help you out with the references, they're pretty mainstream: Elephants wandering off to die away from the tribe - see David Attenborough's Life of Mammals. Monkeys with a >72 word vocabulary see Jared Diamond's The Third Chimpanzee. The rest is conjecture - mine.

14. Comment #468 by Gil on October 1, 2006 at 1:25 am

The issues Mr. Dawkins writing about are to important to be mixed up with his own political agenda, what ever he may think about Jews or Muslims. The stem Cell research and actually some other scientific researches that will not be supported because some people will be afraid those human beings are going to play God are the issue. Mr. Dawkins must be focused on positive and negative aspects of stem cell research, regardless of Bush poor performances as president.

15. Comment #470 by Gil on October 1, 2006 at 3:06 am

Brian!
You might be right about "hard core of religious lunatics", that I do not know exactly who they are, since as most people I am not very familiar with USA politics and presidential advisors. But the question is NOT Mr. BUSH. Do you think the fears people have form "messing with God stuff" will vanished after Bush will be freed from his office? Do you think people are going to be more understandable toward science? Do you think people are going to be more critical towards their other "sources of true"; I am referring mainly to religious instances?

16. Comment #472 by Sarah on October 1, 2006 at 3:46 am

They're not just embryos, they're AMERICAN embryos! The Bush fanatasicism for pro-life ends at the borders of the USA, unless of course it rides the back of dollar bills donated to build clinics and schools in the third world. The devil's clause, you might say.

"But it's ok, God's on OUR side. Even when we export our poison to the UK and Europe."

17. Comment #508 by Beverly Nuckols on October 2, 2006 at 7:18 am

Cruella,
I'm fairly sure that even "(t)he primates who do seem to have the concept don't seem to plan, record and attempt to persuade others around the world and across the ages as to the finer details of morals."


However, we do normally afford those species who mirror our moral actions (loyalty in dogs, downright intelligence in cats, communication and community in primates) more moral weight in our actions - and we do it because of their species, not because of the individual's exhibition of that faculty.

The point is that humans do exhibit, record, and advocate in favor of morals. The point of Dawkins' own essay was to persuade on several levels.(As well as your objection to my comment, etc.)

18. Comment #784 by Marcus on October 7, 2006 at 12:00 am

May I state first that "the God Delusion" is an excellent book, and I implore everyone to read it.

As for this article: Two criticisms.

I completely support Richard’s stance on stem cell technology - however - he does not seem to realize that the key word here is “procreation”. That is the Christians number one concern. They don’t care if embryo’s are wasted in any procreation process. “Every sperm is sacred” for procreation - but not for a new technology for fully functioning sentient life. Why? I think you would find that fundamentalist religion always instils a fear of new technology - a type of religious anti-Luddite mentality. Remember the old adage - “if men were supposed to fly, God would have given them wings.” In this sense, “back to nature” hippies and religious zealots have much in common.

Second - on the war issue.

“Even if it does succeed, many knowledgeable observers forecast that the subsequent backlash throughout the Arab world will wipe out any advantages there may be: exactly as happened in Iraq.”

Richard, there has been a long-line of appeasers who always favour the argument - “inaction is much better than action - so better not do anything.” These are the same crowd that would tell you that writing “the God Delusion” was a useless endeavour. Don’t listen to them. Just remember this: the object of life is not simply to stay alive. The object of life is to “actually” live a rational life that is worth living.

19. Comment #1082 by ZT on October 9, 2006 at 11:00 am

Basicly Pro-life right wing religious fanatics will damn to hell the prospects of using blastocysts to advance our civilisation through amazing leaps and bounds in medicine. This is all due to God somehow giving a blob of a hundred and fifty cells an 'imortal soul'. Even though it has no brain to comprehend and no nervous system to feel pain it has the 'potential' to be human.
I'm sorry but what's so great about that?
What other species has managed to screw an entire planet in less than a few hundred years.
If I was a blastocyst that had this amazing ability to comprehend my God given right to be human I might think that SCR was a blessing to escape it all before I was born into the hell that is humankind.
What other species committs attrocities on par with Humans, either to humans or to other animals?
Yeah maybe Chimps do not have a concious morality, but do fundamentlist Christains or Muslims?
Folowing some outdated philosophy from when the Earth was at the centre of the Universe, was probably still flat and to top it all whipped up in six days is not going to help us evolve, adapt and advance (individually or as a race as a whole).
We need to embrace rational debate and clear thinking, there is no chance to further ourselves whilst wacko religious ideas have even the remotest credibility. Bush an other fanatics will only try and drive their systems of belief deeper into society, we can see it happening in schools, universities and courts. Hypocrisy in deeming who's life is more sacred;a blob that may one day possibly be human or an actual real living breathing person just adds weight to how having belief can tip a person over the edge of reason. There are more cells in a fly's brain than in an entire blasocyst, anybody show some kind of remorse when its swatted? I probably kill more human cells when I blow my nose than in a single SCR experiment, will I go to hell for that I wonder?
I didn't mean to go on a rant, but religious systems of belief pose the greatest threat to civilised society. We will only regress back to the cusades if religion is not ejected from the state bodies of law and politics.
It is so arrogant to assume that we have a right to fuck it all up for everything else on the entire planet because some old fusty book said that one particular God character created us in his image and that everything we see is ours for the taking.
It all seems so insane that in the 21st Century people can imagine that all this God hype is real!

20. Comment #4188 by William on November 2, 2006 at 3:57 pm

>>Comment #1082 by ZT<<

I think you've hit the nail on the head there ZT.

The Relgious fundamentalists will use ANY excuse to prevent the forwarding of Mankind.

I can see Galileo now, in his solitary confinement, alone with only mental images of the wonders of the heavens he had gazed upon, through his primitive telescopes. Theists sicken me with their holier-than-thou approach to all areas of life. They can't prove any of their beliefs and become very hostile at anyone who refuses to accept their irrationality.

Kind Regards, William.

21. Comment #14841 by Veronique on December 25, 2006 at 8:21 pm

 avatarThank you ZT. You are on the money! The other thing is:

The end of Time is coming who cares if we pander to the mad religious right in our constituences. In any case, I want to be there when the second coming of jesus wafts (isn't it called the Rapture?) us up onto clouds. (Bush could have said this-yes?) I am Australian, we have them here too but nothing like the proportion in America. I guess our turn is coming. I hope we are what I fondly like to think we are. A nation that delights in its larrikins, is fairly cynical though, (or perhaps, because of it) lazy
and somewhat hedonistic. Nothing too serious please or we'll take the piss.

I watched the Doomsday Code on youtube. I am blown away with this infection of fundamentalism. It's reaching out into the 3rd world for many reasons, not the least of which is political economics.

I have the feeling that Bush does support those who want to bring on the second coming. I will have to read Revelations again. I always thought it was the workings of a madman and not to be taken seriously. I was wrong. In fact I didn't realise that it had been cannonized by the Catholics. I know it was adopted by the Orthodox Greeks in 1672. My brother asks whether there has been any retrospective pschyciatric assessment attempted on the John that wrote Revelations. Does anyone know?



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22. Comment #35917 by simplemind on April 29, 2007 at 10:13 am

 avatarComment #424 by Rebecca Taylor
Your obviously on the wrong channel,
ehh this is for people interested in science fact
the subject is stem cell and not embryo.
Presumebly you disagree with IVF aswell.

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