1. Group finds Starbucks logo too hot to handle

Comment #180897 by black wolf on May 16, 2008 at 3:35 am

Wow, I think our new supersport will be better than baseketball.
Let's also give the fighters robotic arms to incorporate Hinduism.
And they'll have to drink half a bottle of Rum to give Voodoo its part.
The winner gets to ride home on a kangaroo, and the loser gets knocked into Dreamtime.

2. Group finds Starbucks logo too hot to handle

Comment #180894 by black wolf on May 16, 2008 at 3:26 am

Quetz, epeeist,
Stephen Colbert writes that fencing should involve throwing stars, first blood and masculine pirate sabers to become a respected sport...
Let's see: stars, crescent-shaped sabers with cross-shaped hand protection, piracy... Now just how do we get the Buddhists into the scheme? Any suggestions?

3. Turkish Islamic author given 3-year jail sentence

Comment #180888 by black wolf on May 16, 2008 at 3:05 am

It seems they're trying to do with Freemasonry exactly what Hitler (no this is not a Godwin) did with the German Worker's Party. Get in there, sway or coerce a majority, take over the leadership, and then reform the statutes (and the organization's name) to fit your ideology. Then proceed to do the same thing with your country. Then your neighboring countries. People like these always move to criminal behavior sooner or later.

4. UC Berkeley is going to court over Evolution website

Comment #180883 by black wolf on May 16, 2008 at 2:53 am

I have several books on my shelf that deal with stuff beyond the natural world. Brothers Grimm, Iliad, Gilgamesh, the Edda etc. Since they're 'beyond', that must mean they've more truth value than books limited to the natural, right? So why aren't they respected in science? It would make science soooo much more valuable, ecompassing the natural and the supra-natural. I think I'm gonna sue.
Seriously, atheists, agnostics, scientists, deists, philosophers have been saying for decades that the pandering approach can never work. When a religious group really believes what they say they believe, by definition they can't restrict themselves to a NOMA box without reckognizing themselves as hypocrites. Even when they get treated with the most reverent respect, they must strive to speak out and in most cases missionize. Mere toleration and respect is never enough, for as soon as a religious group is diminishing, or perceives itself that way, it'll make efforts to get into growth zone. And that will mean making claims about reality that are scientifically unconfirmed and often unconfirmable. They will step on science's toes, and they will not step back and apologize for it most of the time. When science decides to be diplomatic and stand back to postpone conflict, that's the opportunity for religion to step forward. We've seen it for centuries, and it doesn't work. All we get from that are theocracies.

5. Cult leader Pyotr Kuznetsov tries suicide after realising he was wrong about doomsday

Comment #180878 by black wolf on May 16, 2008 at 2:34 am

This just in:
The last nine cult members have left their cave; two female corpses could now be retrieved from the hole in the ground; the women had died some unspecified time earlier.
The article I read is on Spiegel Online (German).

6. The Dissent Of Darwin - The World Of Richard Dawkins

Comment #180517 by black wolf on May 15, 2008 at 6:37 am

Proposing a behavioral choice sphere or area is not dualism. It is a philosophy, a completely abstract concept. Nobody's implying that this sphere is an independently existing thing. You might just as well claim that literature has an existence above nature independent of printed works. All of it are products of our mind, which is for all empirical evidence a brain function that we conceptualize.

7. God seekers go public

Comment #180437 by black wolf on May 15, 2008 at 12:09 am

From the link Geodesic17 posted:

After the adverse vote from several coordinating board members meeting as a committee, Mr. Morris said the institute [ICR] may revise its application or take its case to court.

"We will pursue due process," he told the board. "We will no doubt see you in the future."

8. God seekers go public

Comment #180111 by black wolf on May 14, 2008 at 8:23 am

Thanks for that insight, Barry.
Apparently they're going for reverse artificial selection with their personnel. Take the people who failed at science (or refused to do the job they had been hired for), and put them to work on mutual standards of varying incompetence.
From having a bit of experience with fitness algorithms in simulations, I assume that their scientific fitness will not increase in any significant value. Their population size is just too small and offers just about no variation at all to produce any improvement. ;o)
Any chance of beneficial improvements by chance? I'm not holding my breath.

9. A natural selection

Comment #180060 by black wolf on May 14, 2008 at 6:48 am

The why question boils down to the same trouble that the design inference gets into, just not as quickly and obviously. In order to determine the why, you have to either know the designer's/god's will and intentions/plans (which is what the religious claim to have gotten revealed, without any evidence above hearsay), or you have to reach an endpoint where nothing happens anymore in spite of what should happen through natural laws (read evolution). As the former is unlikely to a degree of about 1, and the latter is nowhere in sight, I think we can reasonably conclude with great certainty that the why question is as vacuous as the design presumption.

10. God seekers go public

Comment #179410 by black wolf on May 13, 2008 at 8:15 am

I'm actually curious as to WHAT they can do in a lab at all. What predictions can you make in a lab regarding intelligent design?

11. God seekers go public

Comment #179403 by black wolf on May 13, 2008 at 8:03 am

So, a group of great expert scientists from different fields work together for at least 2.5 years to develop a single testable hypothesis based on undefined predictions (or make predictions based on an untestable hypothesis). And deliver neither of the two to the public because they're still 'not ready'. I wonder what their funding from the DI actually is, 150 bucks a month? Probably their lab work is so irreducibly complex and utterly unevolvable that they actually have no idea what it is.

12. Childish superstition: Einstein's letter makes view of religion relatively clear

Comment #179225 by black wolf on May 12, 2008 at 11:07 pm

Regarding my above post, how come almost every time I check on statements that come from theology groups, I find that they quote-mine, misinterpret and misrepresent philosophers, historians and scientists. From theology at Oxford to the Australian Catholic Church, can we trust anything they write without taking the burden of checking on them first? I've come to serious doubts about their interest in honest dialogue.

13. Childish superstition: Einstein's letter makes view of religion relatively clear

Comment #179219 by black wolf on May 12, 2008 at 10:47 pm

I get the impression that Brooke interprets Einstein's view inaccurately by taking the quotes out of their time frame.

Despite his categorical rejection of conventional religion, Brooke said that Einstein became angry when his views were appropriated by evangelists for atheism. He was offended by their lack of humility and once wrote. "The eternal mystery of the world is its comprehensibility."

"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."

Brooke said that Einstein became angry when his views were appropriated by evangelists for atheism. He was offended by their lack of humility...

The Andreas Idreos Professorship of Science and Religion within the Faculty of Theology at Oxford is held by Professor John Hedley Brooke, formerly Professor of the History of Science at Lancaster University.

The Doctrine of the Fall

The second creation account in Genesis (Gen. 2.4-3.end) gives more emphasis to the origin of the human race than does the first account. It includes a number of key assertions upon which the Christian understanding of salvation is based. These include the unity of man and woman, the unity of the human species, the sin of our first parents and the consequences of the fall from divine favour.

The story thus provides a mythological explanation of the current and fallen state of humanity.

The story emphasises that "God fashioned man (adam) from the dust of the soil [adamah]". There is no intention of suggesting that those who told and re-told this story ever had any evolutionary understanding in mind; they were no doubt thinking in terms of a clay image into which God then breathed life. Nevertheless, we could regard the phrase as providential, and accept it as an abbreviated and 'poetic' expression of the Earthly evolution of humankind. It is a serious error, however, to try to interpret either Genesis 1 or 2 in terms of evolutionary theory, not only because our understanding of evolution will undergo changes in the future, but because of the need to respect the intentions and world-views of the biblical authors.

14. Americans pray at the pump for cheaper petrol

Comment #179212 by black wolf on May 12, 2008 at 10:16 pm

The scary thing is, these are the same people who believe any bad outcome of climate change is the result of 'sin'. These are the people who believe that razing the rainforests is inconsequential, because God will make it alright anyway. People like these think Ben Stein is (or should be) a scientist.

15. Church of Scotland mediators to quell disputes

Comment #178236 by black wolf on May 11, 2008 at 1:37 am

Dear ministers,
a short statement of advice on how to answer your questioning congregations with substantive answers: study the evidence, and represent it truthfully and without omission. That approach tends to increase your credibility. Of course, it may turn out to be a bit more difficult than to just recite scripture and string words together to decorate it.

16. Richard Dawkins interviewed by John Humphrys on Cardinal Murphy O'Connor

Comment #178205 by black wolf on May 10, 2008 at 9:55 pm

What's a 'dictatorship ruled by reason' anyway? A government commanding the people to question and ask for evidence?
Apparently the Cardinal conflates reason with being devoid of empathy. People tend to get into trouble when they throw out reason to make room for unrestrained empathy. What we need are both, but empathy is not equal to or in any way improved by faith. Putting faith in a first priority position paves the road for dogma, which inevitably leads to unreasonable and unempathic behavior.

17. My Response to Rabbi Shmuley Boteach

Comment #178204 by black wolf on May 10, 2008 at 9:40 pm

Liebensraum?
love room? you surely didn't mean that, right? ;)

18. Top billing for platypus at end of evolution tree

Comment #177883 by black wolf on May 9, 2008 at 10:14 pm

Nice article. I learned a little more about genetics right there, having read a few books and papers with my layman's biology education (high school achievement course level). How I love it when I feel the little building of knowledge in my brain growing another little room which will eventually become another level. I imagine it's similar to that fuzzy feeling 'the other guys' get, except that my building's walls aren't imaginary and change from translucency to opaqueness whenever I feel like it.

19. Faith in Britain today

Comment #177099 by black wolf on May 8, 2008 at 2:48 pm

...because everything I have, indeed everything I am, comes from how others have lived out their faith in Britain.

...'he has left the home, outside which there will never be anything but exile and solitude'.

...for it opens up an entry into the very life of God.

...and we are filled, as he was, with divine love, the Holy Spirit of God. My family, my people, my fellow-Catholics, know this.

'Pope Benedict knows,' he said, 'that religion is about truth and not social cohesion.' A very accurate remark I think.

...[God's] presence in the life of the Jewish people...

20. The detail in the Devil

Comment #175901 by black wolf on May 6, 2008 at 8:18 am

I wonder if he makes mention in his book about the mothers who kill their children. By his standard of evidence, these children must surely have been truly possesed. He'd probably say the mothers had the right idea and just took it a little too far when deciding to stab their 5-year-old daughter in the face. In the US alone, more than a score of children get murdered per year for this reason (almost exclusively by their mothers). I posted some links to cases I have found in the news in this site's forums a few weeks ago. Doesn't seem much in comparison with car or gun accidents, but the difference is that (I dare say) most churches condone the belief in demonic possession.
It would not surprise me at all to find that in the future, a few more parents will have read Bradshaw's books before snuffing their children's life out.

21. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #168060 by black wolf on April 24, 2008 at 1:42 pm

Aquaria,
garlic powder?
GARLIC POWDER????
I have some very irate Italian neighbors who are expressing their wish to have a talk with you now. Like, RIGHT NOW.
;)

22. Interview with Dan Dennett

Comment #167848 by black wolf on April 24, 2008 at 11:25 am

I wouldn't even mind if Richard took in a dose of ego-boost from here once in a while. After all, we're only human, and we can only take so much nonsense at a time without losing it. Reading or hearing some supportive words once in a while is very important if we don't feel like becoming nihilistic or misanthropic in face of all the child-molesting, witch-hunting, suicide bombing, physician threatening, education demolishing insanity going on around all of us.
Besides, there are many experts in many fields of natural science, social science, engineering, mathematics, medicine, philosophy and economics active around here, who can and do provide a lot of material, evidence and reasonable thinking for Prof. Dawkins to put to good use. Which he occasionally does to enrich his lectures.
I think it is very telling that so many different intelligent people think that these issues are very important to discuss, as it highlights the fact that humanity can no longer afford to give unquestionable ideology a free pass. The idea that this criticism must include religion isn't new, but it has only gained significant acceptance and vigor during the most recent decades of our species' existance. It is dawning in the minds of the armchair ivory tower theologians that unrestricted critical thinking and free speech can no longer be shrugged off with ridicule or persecution, two modes of handling it they had gotten well accustomed to over millenia. The fact that the rate of growth in the number of people who leave religion altogether per annuam has reached double figures even in the US is provoking, and the reactions are as manifold as they are accelerating, from 'flea' books to the Pope shaking hands with the Mullahs to 'vanquish' atheism.

23. Is religion a threat to rationality and science?

Comment #167553 by black wolf on April 24, 2008 at 6:55 am

I think Daniel Dennett is brilliant - he sums up the arguments against religion so well. Pity about his old-testament style beard, though. Why do some men think beards are attractive? Is it a case of 'I must be a man because I can grow all this disgusting wiry stuff over my face?' Or do they find them useful for storing their left-over chips? Couldn't his wife be persuaded to shave it off while he's asleep?

24. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166761 by black wolf on April 23, 2008 at 12:16 pm

I find it amazing that you have so much confidence in evolution THEORY but can't even explain the most important question, how life began. Without this, any theory you can come up with is irrelevant. It's ludicrous.

25. Judge orders La. school district to stop Bible giveaways

Comment #166757 by black wolf on April 23, 2008 at 12:11 pm

Good to see that (almost) all courts still respect the Constitution in spite of the constant pressure and activism from the thumping vocal 'minority'. All it takes are a few courageous families to speak up. It's sad that people need to be constantly reminded in court to respect their own Constitution, month by month.

26. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #166729 by black wolf on April 23, 2008 at 11:54 am

Remnant's last posts show that he is diligently avoiding every single serious question and systematically answers only the puns and sarcastic comments. He is feeding, and some contributors to this thread are beginning to respond to his tactics instead of pursuing the questions he hasn't answered. I humbly advise that he will come up with an endless number of evasions in order to bury the original questions, so please don't feed him further until he shows that he understands and has considered what he was asked for.

27. Is religion a threat to rationality and science?

Comment #166491 by black wolf on April 23, 2008 at 9:16 am

Whereas religion is actually happier when it knows nothing. Because then it can add to the uncertainty by making stuff up.

28. Resentment Over Darwin Evolves Into a Documentary

Comment #165375 by black wolf on April 21, 2008 at 12:13 pm

Current IMDB score 3.6 out of ten.

Basically, almost every movie that scores lower than about 6.2 on IMDb is a waste of time at the very least. A 3.6 rating usually denotes a film that is utterly painful to watch in the range of bleeding eyes.
The demographic breakdown of voters is very interesting:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1091617/ratings
The ones who liked the movie best (or rated it highest without seeing it) are females aged up to 29 years and females over 45. Apparently males in general like the movie only half as much as the females do. Interestingly, females aged 30-44 liked the movie significantly below average. Now what the hell do these numbers mean?
I think that females in general are less interested in internet debates and controversies on message boards. Therefore I assume that more females than males have not been exposed to the evidence that speaks against the ID people and this film specifically. As most church groups have a higher percentage of female members, that too explains part of the disparity.
I conclude that the ID movement is doing a great job of disinformation on women and young males.
What we need are books about atheism and science specifically aimed at a female audience and at pre-college aged men. I assume that means more appeal to emotion. I'm not saying women only ever think emotionally charged, but I think it's correct to say that a majority of women prefers somewhat emotionalized arguments over cold facts (simplified: compassion for the women, powerful language for the young men). Isn't this what Christian apologists and tract authors employ very methodically? Perhaps Paula could comment on this aspect. I think if 'we' want the public to become more interested in science and the value of rational thinking, we can't afford to ignore this method.

29. Mecca should become core to measure time zones: scholars

Comment #165203 by black wolf on April 21, 2008 at 7:52 am

Islamic science also believes that mountains are set on top of the Earth's surface to stabilize it, that one fly wing carries disease and the other the cure, that Allah holds up the birds, that the moon emanates it's own light, that Earth is flat, and so on and on.
http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Science/index.htm

30. Sex for diploma offer caught on tape

Comment #164258 by black wolf on April 19, 2008 at 9:46 pm

More is IN:
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/13_undercover&id=6088286

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/13_undercover&id=6090312

"Before our parking lot confrontation with Mr. Jordan, the school's website called him its spiritual backbone. Now Jordan's face and picture are gone A statement posted says Jordan "...is no longer affiliated in any way with Parkway Christian School." It says the school has forgiven him for his wrong action. But there is no direct apology to Tamiku Robertson, no promise of an investigation."

http://www.khou.com/topstories/stories/khou070802_ac_buying.d727ec29.html
" State law is explicit that if a secondary student can't pass the state assessment test, they can't graduate from a public school.

So just before the end of their senior year, those kids transferred to Lavern Jordan's private school, Parkway Christian school, where with $250 they could get a diploma. "

31. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #164199 by black wolf on April 19, 2008 at 5:32 pm

Remnant,
you are very fond of trying to spread fear and sticking your fingers in your ears. What a pathetic, irresponsible, mendacious and infantile mindset that is. Grow up. Learn to have self respect. Examine the evidence.

32. Expelled Overview

Comment #164179 by black wolf on April 19, 2008 at 5:12 pm

phuonom,
Have you read about 'cdesign proponentsists'? You may have come across this term on this site and thought that it was just another moniker someone made up to label ID adherents. It's not. It was found that the ID people had simply exchanged the word 'creationist' in their basic textbook, 'Of Pandas and People', to 'design proponent' using a word processing program. They did the same thing throughout the whole book, with other terms such as 'God' and 'designer'. Their position is not about scientifically questioning any scientific theory, it is nothing more than an attempt to dismantle science education and replacing it with religion. They have no scientific theory, they don't even have a scientific hypothesis (testable, falsifiable etc.) They are not being silenced, they simply are not a part of the scientific community, and they have made no attempt to do proper science. All they are doing is propagandizing and taking the road through politics, media and putting pressure on school boards and teachers to get their religious views into science classrooms.
Yes, scientists are supposed to be seeking scientific evidence. ID proponents don't.
Yes, scientific evidence must accord to actual observations. The only observations the ID people have claimed as supporting their idea have been completely scientifically refuted. They claimed there was no evolutionary pathway for the eye, the flagellum, the blood clotting system. Every single one of these claims have been refuted. They're simply not doing their homework, and they outright refuse to do so. Michael Behe was presented in court with more than 50 published scientific papers and college textbooks that explained what he claimed had not been explained by science. He admitted having read none of them.

33. Sex for diploma offer caught on tape

Comment #164164 by black wolf on April 19, 2008 at 4:48 pm

What I'm wondering is not about why someone would make an indecent offer like this. What I'm wondering about is why are religious schools allowed to hand out diplomas without proper tests. A school diploma is supposedly an achievement certificate for the purpose of reflecting a specific standard. When schools can arbitrarily choose to ignore those standards under the guise of religion, the certificate loses all credibility. If that's okay in the US education system (is it?), why not just skip the school part and put youth right into college for a few hundred bucks?

34. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #163798 by black wolf on April 19, 2008 at 3:54 am

Maybe everyone posting on the web to respond to creationists should use a cut/paste answer sheet for their ever unchangingly stupid claims and rhetorical questions.
Containing something like: There. Are. Still. Apes. Because. Apes. Have. Been. Able. To. Survive. And. Evolve. Along. With. Us.
Saves time, since we know exactly what to expect by now.
With some creotards, counter-questioning is effective. They are accustomed to not answering questions, and asking rhetorical questions without actually being ready to accept any answer. If God created mankind from dust, why is there still dust? If Jesus actually healed the leper, why does leprosy still exist?
Dishonest rhetorical questions deserve nonsensical return questions.

35. Flea of the week

Comment #163735 by black wolf on April 18, 2008 at 11:50 pm

ilchymis,
Richard Dawkins was asked in an interview what his response to these reactionary books was. He responded by citing the quote from Yeats: "Was there ever a dog that praised his fleas?". It fits especially those authors who write mostly rather short books that supposedly sell better when they use Dawkins' name in the title or imitate the TGD, End of Faith or 'god is not great' cover layout.

36. The Child Preachers

Comment #163645 by black wolf on April 18, 2008 at 5:22 pm

I'm so glad that we have laws in Germany against this kind of child abuse, and I'm even more glad that church authorities agree with the law to prevent and to stop such parents.

37. Evolution: 24 myths and misconceptions

Comment #163643 by black wolf on April 18, 2008 at 5:17 pm

Is t writer stating that female relitives of gay men are more fertile?

The the the the the, the the the(the the, the) the the? The the the the!

38. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #163203 by black wolf on April 18, 2008 at 4:13 am

I am free to choose what to do, because I don't think that what I think is right and what God would think is right are at odds with each other.

Well, in the larger sense, perhaps the idea of eternal life isn't itself the meaning of life, but it does give some people a context of what they should work towards in life.

39. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #163180 by black wolf on April 18, 2008 at 3:53 am

But in a grand sense, an atheist must think they exist for no real reason, which I find very disheartening.

40. Sexpelled: No Intercourse Allowed

Comment #163102 by black wolf on April 18, 2008 at 2:01 am

Clearly no-one made the stork! What a stupid idea! This is the entire point; the stork is not OF the physical World and hence isn't subject to its laws. Yes, of course, it must be IN the physical World to actually deliver babies, but its also very much OUTSIDE the physical World and in the physical World at the same time....is that right? Oh, I do get confused...

41. Yoko Ono, Filmmakers Caught in 'Expelled' Flap

Comment #162800 by black wolf on April 17, 2008 at 1:28 pm

Thanks for clearing that up, decius. I find that Perscheid's humor is very close to Larson's - which is always a good thing. Buy both! ;)

42. Yoko Ono, Filmmakers Caught in 'Expelled' Flap

Comment #162650 by black wolf on April 17, 2008 at 7:05 am

Cali,
I'm not a law expert, but Premise's statement that you posted looks quite panicky to me. They're like someone who's just overexerted himself on the toilet seat, finds out that the flush mechanism is broken, and then wants to cover the mess up with toilet paper - finding an empty roll.

43. Yoko Ono, Filmmakers Caught in 'Expelled' Flap

Comment #162630 by black wolf on April 17, 2008 at 6:50 am

Luthien, I think decius' avatar is a Gary Larson cartoon. Larson's work is great in my opinion, everybody should know them and buy his books ;)

44. Hitchens vs. Hitchens

Comment #162240 by black wolf on April 16, 2008 at 12:27 pm

manic,
I agree. Especially since we have documented cases where deluded and hallucinating people have factually justified multiple child murder with divine command. They wouldn't have done so if they hadn't had the Bible to draw upon for exemplary action. Give a mentally unstable person a Bible in the good intention of aiding them, and you get dead children.

45. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #162238 by black wolf on April 16, 2008 at 12:20 pm

Oooooh, the holy spirit hijacked al-rawandi's keyboard!
Hope you stuck it to him good, al.

46. Evolution fray attracts top scientist

Comment #162234 by black wolf on April 16, 2008 at 12:17 pm

Thanks ericv00, I get it now. They are saying that as long as the teacher thinks (or dishonestly asserts) that something is a scientific claim, he can present it as such if he wants to. Terrifying perspective.
I shall now go forth and do what all Germans do when terrified - make bratwurst and mashed potatoes to distract my brain.
Later! ;)

47. Evolution fray attracts top scientist

Comment #162215 by black wolf on April 16, 2008 at 11:24 am

While senate Majority Leader Dan Webster, R-Winter Garden, said the theory of evolution "had flaws."

48. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #162213 by black wolf on April 16, 2008 at 11:09 am

Apparently 'strength' has left in disappointment. He came here blazing collective insults repeatedly and with increasing severity, and met ridicule. His motives to behave in such an infantile manner were his ideas of what atheists and scientists were about, fuelled by propagandistic distortions and lies from other vile and fanatic ideologues. He expected us to make death threats, vowing to torch churches and put believers into death camps. Repeating and intensifying his mindless slandering still didn't have the results he tried to achieve, a few well deserved reprimands and slurs at most. People like him are used to attacking opponents with slavering hate speech, because that's all they ever learned. That and blowing people's heads off with their beloved assault rifles. His brothers in spirit are the ones who blow school children to bits in the Middle East.

49. Evolution fray attracts top scientist

Comment #162175 by black wolf on April 16, 2008 at 9:14 am

I still don't really get it. I do understand that this change is another attempt to wedge creationIDsim into science classrooms, but how can it do that? The legislation clearly speaks of scientific information, which ID and creationism are not. The only problem I see with it is that a creationist teacher may be brainwashed enought o think that his information is scientific, and that there may be no pupils in the class with alert parents to reckognize this. But shouldn't there be at least one science teacher or department head per school who can stand up and stop that?

50. Teacher Expelled Over Religion

Comment #161798 by black wolf on April 15, 2008 at 5:28 pm

Over at Panda's Thumb someone listed cases of teachers and scientists who were expelled, threatened, injured and even killed for their views. There are 11 people on the list so far. Even if all the stories the ID/creationist people mentioned were accurate, which they are evidentially not, they would still be significantly behind in 'body count'.