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Comment #69245 by AtheistAttorney on September 10, 2007 at 6:38 am
I am not an American but there is one idea I wish to comment on.
Endlessly, wherever one turns, one is confronted with the fundamentalists shrieking that America was founded as a Christian nation and then all sorts of implications apparently follow.
Now any objective thinking person who has looked at this issue for more than 5 minutes can tell you that this claim is patently absurd and quite simply wrong.
The above objections to their claim notwithstanding, I can only ask, if America was founded as a Christian nation, so *&%$ing what? Who cares what the particular religious bent of the historically arbitrary founding father's was. Egypt was founded as a pharaoh worshiping nation, should it always remain so? Certain countries were founded as Muslim nations but the dishonest, snivelling, so-called evangelists bear these countries founding religious claims no mind as they scheme to turn the inhabitants from one subservient, hateful religion to another - apparently all in the name of love. And the Muslims are no less guilty for scheming the reverse.
My point is that the historical founding of a country like America is absolutely irrelevant to the debate on what is right, and what is right is, is to keep the State machinery as far away as possible from any particular faith or religious bent because the uplifting of one immediately and undeniably results in the oppression of all the others. Even more importantly institutionalizing one religion means non-adherents have to obey its followers interpretations of its laws and precepts - a more horrifying situation one cannot imagine (though some live it) than one of the world's main religions imposing its medieval thinking on a modern life.
The Chicken-Little fundamentalists can go exactly to where they would most like to send me.
2. Mother Teresa's '40-year faith crisis'
Comment #65752 by AtheistAttorney on August 26, 2007 at 10:08 am
There is no other word for a scandal like this but "Delicious".
Mother Theresa, the champion of the masses, a Catholic's Catholic, was an UNBELIEVER!
Lol oh its almost too good to be true.
Next they will be disowning her, pointing to Chris' book and saying she did those terrible things because she was an atheist!
[EDIT]
I have heard this "long dark night of the soul" bullshit but 40 years of it - FFS, how low will the apologists go to defend the crumbling edifice of Catholic Hypocrisy.
On CNN they had some simpering Catholic journalist who made the following incredible statement
"Well you know even our lord jesus felt
that god had abandoned him on the
cross."
I thought so god thought he had abandoned himself?? jesus christ if you people are so fucking stupid that you can stomach the inherent glaring contradiction in that belief you deserve to see out your last days in the torture chamber created by the bitch you are trying to defend. Have a nice life.
That shit makes me madder by the day.
3. Scarlet Letter Campaign Update: A Victory
Comment #62586 by AtheistAttorney on August 10, 2007 at 7:51 am
I was taken in as well - its just that xtians in the US are so damn loony that the site seemed (initially) to be perfectly plausible from a christian viewpoint. I thought the skinning cat thing was too much but then I read the legal statement (everyone should) and then I wasn't so sure again. However I found this post and then everything was ok:
"Pastor Tobin Maker Says:
June 17th, 2007 at 7:41 am
Mrs Taffy Gaines-Crockett! Is that you? Oh, happy day! It's been years since we praised Baby Jesus together and smote heathens on the old Landover Baptist message board"
Well, well, well...Landover Baptist raises its beautiful head again, albeit in a different guise" This site is extremely elaborate though - much much better than the infinitely more scary Castle Hills Baptist School website which is not a spoof at all. Science helps us all.
4. Curriculum for Baptist School
Comment #62573 by AtheistAttorney on August 10, 2007 at 6:51 am
To say I was horrified would be a gross understatement. I also thought it was a joke, a hoax by some well meaning trickster prone to hyperbole but I must say it seems quite real (if badly put together) and detailed - have a look at the rigorous admission process with all the interrogation the poor child has to undergo - and you can be sure boy that among all the things the child may never do, including draw an anti-xtian symbol they make sure they target the gays and their supporters who are listed with those who commit violent acts or theft.
Those children will find it hard to ever recover after 12 years of that - on the other hand they may be so glad to be rid of it - they might see reason - i dunno?
5. Why Richard Dawkins is right on alternative medicine - but not when it comes to religion
Comment #62525 by AtheistAttorney on August 10, 2007 at 3:19 am
Mr Lawson has tried to be so nice and in some respects he is but I am finding that simpering weasels, such as he, framing themselves as moderates enrage me maybe even more than the fundies who are far more numerous but at least don't hide what they believe behind a smoke screen that at best can be described as wishful thinking and at worst a blatant attempt to deceive.
I wish to address a few points from the quote below:
Freddie (my late stepfather, as it happens) was the Richard Dawkins of his day, at least in the sense that he became this country's most celebrated anti-religious proselytiser; but his impeccable Humean logic is now the impenetrable shield that the churches can use to deflect the ideological bullets of his successor. After all, if religion has been forced to become little other than an assembly of ethical opinions - however passionately adhered to and however elegantly housed-- then it cannot actually be depicted as "wrong".
It could not remotely be described as "unscientific" to declare that, for example, marriage is the only fully morally acceptable form of partnership between couples, or that adultery is sinful. Dawkins loathes the fact that theological ideas such as Hell still persist in Catholic doctrine - but the modern Christian concept of Hell means little more than permanent separation from God: the notion of being tortured by sulphuric flames for eternity is as dead as Hieronymus Bosch.
6. The Flea Circus Invites a Newcomer!
Comment #62131 by AtheistAttorney on August 8, 2007 at 9:39 am
Dear David (wee flea),
I have spent a considerable amount of time reading your tirades on this board (much more time than I would ever spend reading a "Please believe in my zombie Jewish god" book) and I have to say that you come across as nothing more than a petulant child riled because the others won't see things his way. I am fully aware that that was just an ad hominim attack but your posts have brought it to this level.
Since you are so fond of quoting people, I will now comment on some of your quotes, I hope you like them:
Actually no. I have spoken to most of them and they generally do not. There is a very limited amount because they perceive a) that Christians have their own bookshops and b) that they are not there to promote religion. In fact one Watersones manager told me that even when they sold C S Lewis's Narnia, an atheist came in to complain about how offensive it was to have religious book in a secular store (yep – that's the kind of tolerance and open mindedness fundamentalist atheist leads to)
The point is Billy that its hilarious. So many errors in such a short paragraph. Please tell me the major abolitionists who were atheists? Huxley perhaps? Wilberforce was a deist! Brilliant – please give us the evidence – you do of course know that he became an evangelical Methodist when he was a young teenager. Can I suggest that you actually read something about Wilberforce (other than on atheist websites) before you consider posting again. Try Hague's Wilberforce – I have just finished it. Brilliant. And gives completely the lie to your above post. But it's still fun…
"Tell you what, I'm a fair man and will give you a chance to redeem yourself: point out a bible verse that says that slavery is wrong - no ifs or butts - I wont hold my breath though, cos we both know there aren't any" - Try 1 Timothy 1:10 where slave traders are condemned.
163. Comment #60795 by MrEmpirical - Read the book – or the articles. If you can manage to get over the confidence that all that can be known about God has already been said…
It has happened several times. First of all I would listen to them and hear what they have to say. Then (and only then) I would discuss the various issues with them. I have to say that several of them have read TGD etc and found it rude and laughable. In fact we are more likely to get agnostics and atheist who have read it who want to come and discuss it because they are surprised at its vehemence and it has made them question their own atheist faith.
and how delicious that you spell inaccurate wrong!)
"_"
7. Rapture Ready: The Unauthorized Christians United for Israel Tour
Comment #60157 by AtheistAttorney on August 1, 2007 at 7:14 am
As a fellow world citizen, I am truly worried about this rapture mania in the USA. I like Scottishgeologist am tempted to say that they should be allowed to have their final battle (hopefully most of them will perish) and then stand back and watch as their saviour fails to appear.
However, the mind virus has infected them so severely that again, like SG says, they will have some other explanation. No, they should be stopped at all costs - we can't allow this planet to be ruined because of these psychopaths - if they won't listen to reason - what else are we to do?
Comment #50841 by AtheistAttorney on June 20, 2007 at 7:13 am
On this issue, obviously it will be a long time before govts start seeing this as a problem. Mostly because they were brought up in so-called xtian homes themselves. However, if a law was to be passed, I believe it should ban any attempt at religious indoctrination of any kind before a person is 18.
Some of you may say that parents will simply ignore this and do it in their own home. In that case I would add to the law that if parents do that to a child, and the state finds out at anytime it can imprison them for child abuse - furthermore the child can - if he or she wants to - sue their parents under the law for up to half their estate at any time of their lives from 21 - this should pursuade at least some people to think twice about breaking a law which could follow them for their natural lives.
9. My Road to Atheism, What Took Me So Long and The Aftermath
Comment #47921 by AtheistAttorney on June 6, 2007 at 3:44 am
James_the_doubter
"Wow. The parallels between our lives are uncanny - major exceptions being I still have faith - more confused than ever though. I'm working through all of this currently."
10. Atheism shall make you free
Comment #47906 by AtheistAttorney on June 6, 2007 at 2:35 am
DaveK
"Atheism is logically indefensible but interesting."
11. Beggars belief: Robin McKie on The God Delusion
Comment #47351 by AtheistAttorney on June 4, 2007 at 7:30 am
I have been led to believe that 'amen' simply means 'Let it be' - a fitting end for the article I think.
Comment #46436 by AtheistAttorney on May 31, 2007 at 7:59 am
Have you guys seen that he/she has taken this particular entry off the site and entered into a tirade about being reposted without permission etc. Read the bit at the end about Pol Pot and Hitler and how atheists want to persecute xtians - same old - same old. I replied but I doubt it will get listed.
13. Lightning damages Jesus statue
Comment #45779 by AtheistAttorney on May 29, 2007 at 8:22 am
In South Africa we had a similar incident recently. One of our many hundreds of religiously deluded communities saved for 20 years to build a church. Finally it was complete and on the Friday before Sunday of its inaugural service a storm ripped through the community and completely destroyed the badly built church.
On the news we had the pastor weeping and wailing about how long it took to build etc. No one asked him if he thought this means god hates churches or xtians or their community - no it was accepted as a simple natural phenomenon and they were saying things like "with god's help we will rebuild it..." and so on. The hypocrisy made me sick to my stomach - the fact that they cannot see it just makes me sad.
14. Navy vet: Chaplains tried converting me
Comment #42390 by AtheistAttorney on May 18, 2007 at 6:32 am
Sick, insensitive and appalling are some of the nicer words I can think of to describe these chaplains' proselytizing. Although I don't feel too sorry for their victim as he also clings fervently to his religion. It would be much better for him if, while he was munching his ham sandwich, he could just say I don't believe in god so *&^% off.
Comment #42376 by AtheistAttorney on May 18, 2007 at 6:12 am
what did he mean by "Chaucerian" fraud? Obviously pertaining to Chaucer, but how?
16. Brazil's Indians Offended by Pope Comments
Comment #42344 by AtheistAttorney on May 18, 2007 at 5:14 am
Rat-zinger is actually worse than John Paul II who I absolutely despised. I never thought it would be possible to pick someone worse and yet they did. If I was the devil they so fervently believe in, the first thing I would do is install the papacy.
Rome is a thousand years behind civilisation in their actions to say nothing of their beliefs and she keeps trying to hold the rest of the world back with her. Not even the massive, worldwide scandal of paedophile priests even slightly shook the faithful - and those overfed, sycophantic slobs sometimes called bishops still elected the man who oversaw decades of cover-up while he was in a position to do so. Shame on them - they should shut the *&^% up and stay at home. I would not shed a tear if the whole city and with it the denomination was raised to the ground.
17. Atheists with Attitude: Why do they hate Him?
Comment #42338 by AtheistAttorney on May 18, 2007 at 5:00 am
Overall a good article I thought. However I wonder about what I understood as his assertion that we should be as tolerant and nice as he says Hume was.
Aren't the days for tolerance and nicety past? As of course are the days of violent fundamental ideological opposition (ala Stalin).
I agree with Richard that those of us who are anti-religious have had just about enough of the smarmy arrogant "convictions" of the religious with their unsubstantiated, indefensible beliefs while at the same time - without any reasonable consideration - they dismiss literally mountains of evidence to the contrary. Their hate speech against minorities has reached fever pitch and is tolerated by society while in the same breath they claim, with apparently no sense of irony, that they are the persecuted ones.
Whenever I consider the laughability of it all I feel like I am pissing into the wind as it were because xtians (particularly Americans) are so utterly oblivious that one tends to feel like that small voice pointing to the unthinkable nakedness of their emperor.
No, we have been quiet for too long, while they spout their hatred of all that is not xtian, while they advocate the imprisonment and mental torture of gays and lesbians, while they speak lovingly of talking donkeys, burning bushes, walking corpses and theocracies - people like us have stood by in the past because of a feeling that religions should be respected because the people in them are nice. I've known many nice people in churches and I do not dispute that but religion itself is a dungeon with god as its master and we need to speak out or history will judge us. Bravo to Dawkins, Hitchings, Harris and those other brave souls who come out and say, religion is man-made, a delusion and we have come to free you from your chains.
18. An ecumenical contempt for religion
Comment #38468 by AtheistAttorney on May 8, 2007 at 7:54 am
That an intelligent, worldly wise person could condone / support the war in Iraq is, to me, incomprehensible.
The attack on Iraq shredded what little credibility terms like "International Law" have struggled to maintain and for what it's worth - it was a blatant and unforgivably illegal act based on lies for which Bush and (I'm sad to say) Blair should be prosecuted.
I would not like to be seen to be supporting a tyrant but one point of view is that Iraq for all Sadam's sabre rattling was a rather advanced country with many beautiful cities and for all the alleged oppression people may have suffered, at least their children went to school, they had shelter, food, water and could go to the ice cream shop on Sunday for a treat.
The Americans are now realising that Sadam as leader of a country split by religious factions who were sworn enemies, actually did a superb job in keeping the country stable. Yes it required brutality, yes it required harsh treatment and oppression, this was the reality of his job, but remove his iron grip and look...children venturing to that same ice cream shop are blown to bits, men on either side are kidnapped and executed, women are taken, raped and brutally murdered. Hundreds lose their lives everyday in America's democratic Iraq - many multiples more than suffered under Sadam.
I don't really feel qualified to say this but I venture to suggest that faced with two choices of where to live, the Iraq of today where buying bread and milk is a daily suicidal gamble or Sadam's Iraq, I'd take Sadam.
The above is not to mention what islamic horrors, yet to arise, Bush's war in Iraq has wrought.
19. Unholy row at clergy soccer game
Comment #38453 by AtheistAttorney on May 8, 2007 at 6:49 am
It never ceases to amaze me how religion still festers in these Scandinavian countries although decreasingly so.
I'm with mbcraig11 - just not sure what to say except that those backward misogynistic muslims should *&^% off back to where they came from instead of mooching off Norway's wonderful social welfare system while refusing to accept its social norms which, I am led to believe, are largely secular and humanistic in character.
20. God Exists. A Formula Proves it.
Comment #37944 by AtheistAttorney on May 6, 2007 at 11:21 am
Uhuh. So maths and physics reduced to an equation which was not actually shown or explained can prove beyond doubt, not only that god exists but the virgin birth and resurrection!! Wow, must be that all the Nobel Prize winners and 95% of the scientific community haven't seen this brilliance otherwise they would also be praising...wait a minute which god does it prove - can he also mathematically prove xtianity is true. Allow me suggest an equation:
(Blind Faith + Geographically Isolated Religiosity) / (Irrationality * Stupidity) = xtianity
The man may be a brilliant physicist but he remains a moron in my eyes.
21. The Damned
Comment #37937 by AtheistAttorney on May 6, 2007 at 10:48 am
I liked the video a lot although I feel compelled to point out that Islam does actually feature a kind of heaven for xtians and even jews while the xtians offer no such sop to the muslims. I suppose this has largely to do with the fact that islam is nothing more than a plagiarised concoction made up from those earlier fairytales.