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Comments by Hobbit


1. Former state science director sues over intelligent design e-mail

Comment #203402 by Hobbit on July 2, 2008 at 8:21 pm

I had a discussion the other night (read argument after several wines) with a work colleague who couldn't understand why I care what other people believe.

When I tried to explain that those who innocuously believe in the sky fairy empower those who then go on to do evils things in the name of their particular sky fairy, he got very upset and told me I was being disrespectful of others beliefs.

I then went on to ask him if I was a white supremacists who used passages in the bible to justify my belief, would he respect my beliefs. He just got the shits and told me I was using extreme examples.

I might just email him this article to show that people who think the sky fairy is watching are not innocuous, but try to quietly infiltrate the education of his children and turn them into one of them.

Then again, what's the point.

Everything's bigger in Texas......even the stupidity!

2. Teen's death blamed on faith healing

Comment #196514 by Hobbit on June 20, 2008 at 4:58 am

Her parents, Carl and Raylene Worthington, also belong to the church. They have pleaded not guilty to manslaughter and criminal mistreatment, and their defense attorneys have indicated that they will use a religious freedom defense.


They may have religious freedom, but their toddler did not.

There is no defence for abuse. I don't support the death penalty but these idiots really push that with me.

3. Teen's death blamed on faith healing

Comment #196513 by Hobbit on June 20, 2008 at 4:52 am

Tuesday's death of 16-year-old Neil Beagley, however, may not be a crime because Oregon law allows minors 14 and older to decide for themselves whether to accept medical treatment.


WTF!

Hang on a minute.

Your NOT old enough to vote.

Your NOT old enough to drink.

In fact your not old enough to do most things by yourself or without your parents consent .........EXCEPT TO DETERMINE WHICH TYPE OF MEDICAL TREATMENT IS RIGHT FOR YOU.... OR IN THIS CASE REFUSE MEDICAL TREATMENT FOR SOME HOCUS POCUS BULLSHIT (sorry for yelling but this crap really upsets me).

This is not only child abuse, this is state sanctioned child abuse.

Not only should the parents be charged, every politician who voted for this ridiculus law should be implicated in this murder (or at the very least manslaughter).

Where is the outrage in the US against these dipshit lawmakers and religious morons.

What a bunch of backwards fuckwits!

4. When two worlds collide: threat of class warfare over faith-based schooling

Comment #187788 by Hobbit on June 2, 2008 at 4:44 pm

Hi All,

Further to this article, see the link below. This is a TV program shown in Australia a week ago. All of the main protagonists are involved.

It shows beautifully how these schools twist the truth to indoctrinate their students.

It's worth a look.

http://www20.sbs.com.au/podcasting/index.php?action=feeddetails&feedid=53&id=13060

5. Religion a figment of human imagination

Comment #171644 by Hobbit on April 28, 2008 at 4:40 pm

Religion a figment of human imagination!

Well "Duhhh".

I'd like to see that as a head line in all the major news outlets around the world and then watch the faithheads go very red in the face with rage as they come up with the same old arguments.

6. Victims: Pope Benedict Protects Accused Pedophile Bishops

Comment #162016 by Hobbit on April 16, 2008 at 2:14 am

I am waiting to see how the defenders of the catholic faith on this site will spin this!

fides? Are you there fides? Helloooooooo?

Any one?

The thing that really sickens me is that many in the catholic church will still believe that these monsters will go to heaven if they just say sorry!

What a pack of pricks!

7. Anti-evolution bill clears another hurdle

Comment #157868 by Hobbit on April 9, 2008 at 4:26 pm

Comment #157803 by FightingFalcon

Enjoy! Miami Beach is definitely one of the best places to be in America. At least, it is for a single 22 year old like myself :D


Ah, to be 22 and single again. Those days are long past me. I am fast approaching 40 and a married father of 2.

Still, doesn't mean I can't look!

phopas - Great letter.

8. Commentary: Democrats finally getting religion on religion

Comment #157866 by Hobbit on April 9, 2008 at 4:14 pm

Wow..... That was a very long veiled threat from a religious arsehole!

Support our ancient myths openly, burn the witches, kill the sodomites blah, blah, blah or you won't win! You will never win unless you do as you are told (or at least pretend that you believe)!

When will the US get back to a separation of church and state? Not holding my breath!

Please see link below to an article in today's Sydney Morning Herald. It talks about an exchange between an openly gay Supreme Court Judge (yes, we allow our judges to be gay and the sky has not fallen in yet) and an Anglican minister. Interesting reading.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/admit-your-sins-to-the-lord-kirby-told/2008/04/09/1207420485915.html

9. Anti-evolution bill clears another hurdle

Comment #157435 by Hobbit on April 9, 2008 at 5:04 am

Comment #157415 by FightingFalcon

First trip to America or just first trip to Florida?


Been to the US many times, but never to the south (apart from Dallas - America's second dullest city).

I always seem to get myself into a discussion as to why god is not there. Never a good way to win friends in the US!

This time I'm heading to Miami.

Stupid I know, but I always worried about guns. We have very few gun related crimes in Australia.

I actually like Americans. The vast majority I have met are very reasonable and very friendly people.

I work with several Americans and they all seem to believe in god in some form or another, even if, when you push them, they really don't buy the whole deal. They just feel they have to due to their families.

10. In search of the God particle

Comment #157341 by Hobbit on April 9, 2008 at 12:33 am

Comment #156986 by Peacebeuponme

I'm a bit sad reading those comments over on the Times link. Why can't they post here and give us a bit of fun?


I'm with you. Where are all the religious fuck knuckles when you need a good laugh?

Fides, are you there fides? Artful? Clear Thinker? Wee Flea? We have more questions for you to avoid!

Any hoo. I must admit that most of this physics stuff is way beyond me. But it does sound very exciting indeed and I look forward to reading the results of this research, and then having the people on this site explain them to me in language that even a religious moron might be able to understand. Over to you Steve and Eepist!

11. Anti-evolution bill clears another hurdle

Comment #157325 by Hobbit on April 8, 2008 at 11:29 pm

Comment #157176 by FightingFalcon

Man, I love living in the North East of America where we don't have to deal with this garbage...


Even better to live on the other side of the planet in Austalia!

This shit just doesn't come up.

I am about to make my first visit to the very backward state of Florida for work. I think I will have to be very careful and keep my atheist mouth shut. You all have too many guns for my liking.

12. Protests no concern for outspoken atheist

Comment #154977 by Hobbit on April 4, 2008 at 3:23 am

Comment #154955 by Quetzalcoatl

EDIT- Robertson isn't a creationist, his Bedford talk made that clear. Some in FCOS are, however.


Hang on, they want a balanced debate when they can't even decide amongst themselves what their position is.

Give me a break!

13. Cult leader Pyotr Kuznetsov tries suicide after realising he was wrong about doomsday

Comment #154895 by Hobbit on April 3, 2008 at 11:02 pm

Comment #154887 by Roy_H

This is almost as funny as the recent case of the guy in Africa who drowned while he was "proving" to his followers that he could walk on water!


His first mistake was trying to "prove" his ability to walk on water.

He should have gone down the tried and trusted route of denouncing anyone who requires "proof" as a non believer that will forever burn in damnation like all sensible religious freaks. How dare they question his ability to walk on water!

One is usually not allowed to question or ask for "proof".

He obviously didn't read his "How to be a successful Prophet" guide thoroughly.

14. Cult leader Pyotr Kuznetsov tries suicide after realising he was wrong about doomsday

Comment #154882 by Hobbit on April 3, 2008 at 10:09 pm

To Richard Morgan and all the others that are suggesting that it is wrong to laugh at this situation, I have the following thoughts.

Although this is a tragic situation and mental illness is an awful thing that most modern western societies still haven't fully come to grips with (how many homeless people suffer a mental illness, yet we still revile from them), laughing at sad and tragic situations is commonly used as a coping mechanism.

Whilst I respect your views, I think we also need to look at how different people deal with different situations.

Dr Benway's story of the lady that swallowed her own eye is a prime example. I myself have worked in operating rooms for nearly 15 years. I have seen some pretty nasty shit in there from very small babies, grossly obese adults, emaciated old folk and every variation in between.

I can tell you that lots of jokes and laughter goes on, mainly because, if you don't laugh you will cry and very quickly turn into a babbling idiot.

I have friends that are in the police force and they report the same phenomenon. Its just one of the ways we deal with all the awfulness in this world.

Sometimes we just need to look past the big pile of shit that surrounds us and giggle at the poor bastard that just slipped over in it and thank the FSM that it wasn't us this time.

15. Anti-gay Okla. lawmaker attracts 1,000 backers

Comment #154854 by Hobbit on April 3, 2008 at 8:18 pm

Comment #154758 by secondsoprano

Good point. Does that mean we will last slightly longer thanks to dip shits like the not so Rev Nile?

EDIT: Of course there is the small point that our prime minister is a god-botherer who opposes gay marriage and supports churches having a view on economic policy. So that is a bit of worry. Can't be worse than the last one though.


But smug Kevin is a man of then people (just not the gay ones)!

As for him not being worse than the last one, well in the immortal words of Kent Brockman...."Only time will tell."

16. Anti-gay Okla. lawmaker attracts 1,000 backers

Comment #154725 by Hobbit on April 3, 2008 at 3:54 pm

"Studies show no society that has totally embraced homosexuality has lasted more than a few decades," Kern said in the recorded comments. "It is not a lifestyle that is good for this nation."


Sydney has held an annual Gay & Lesbian Mardi Gras since 1978 (it started as a protest). It goes for a month and the highlight is the big street parade which attracts 300,000 to 400,00 spectators. (This silly cow only got 1000).

So according to her "research", Australia only has a short time left! What a twit!

17. Cult leader Pyotr Kuznetsov tries suicide after realising he was wrong about doomsday

Comment #154696 by Hobbit on April 3, 2008 at 3:16 pm

See link below to the coverage of this story in yesterday's Sydney Morning Herald.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/its-the-end-of-the-world--or-is-it/2008/04/03/1206851051217.html

From the SMH article:

The group's leader, self-declared prophet Pyotr Kuznetsov, has been charged with setting up a religious organization associated with violence, and officials later said they had seized literature that included what appeared to be extremist rhetoric.


Unlike all the other peaceful religious organizations!

So if they charge this guy for setting up a religious organization associated with violence, does this mean that the Pope, the Arch Bishop of Canterbury, all the Immans and all other religious leaders will be charged as well if they step foot in Russia?

Wow, talk about a double standard.

18. CEAI Action Alert for Science Teachers

Comment #154217 by Hobbit on April 2, 2008 at 10:42 pm

Further to the comments by oriole

Not only should they teach and give equal time in church to UNINTELLIGIBLE DIVINE and Jesusism, but should also include the study of Mohammadism, Joseph Smithism, Vishnuism, Rainbow Serpantism and all the other ism's that make up the big wide world of made up religious bullshit.

Pehaps we should ask the good Dr if he will start doing that at his sermons whilst he spanks the monkey.... ahhh.... children into submission.

19. BBC 'too scared to allow jokes about Islam'

Comment #154215 by Hobbit on April 2, 2008 at 10:21 pm

But he also said that "lack of faith" should be taught in schools.

"I think the concept that faith in itself is a good thing should be questioned from day one, which it isn't," he said.

"There's a presumption that if you're a religious leader you are in some way already halfway up to the moral high ground and your opinion has more relevance than anyone else's."


I particularly like these three quotes.

Very interested to read what our faith head ahh... religious (sorry fides) contributors think of this idea.

20. Vatican: Islam surpasses Roman Catholicism as world's largest religion

Comment #153076 by Hobbit on April 1, 2008 at 2:16 am

Not all religions are the same. Islam is definitely much worse than Catholicism, which is merely stupid but not murderous.


Tell that to all the people in Africa dieing of HIV / AIDS because the Catholic Church won't let them wear condoms!

21. Vote on freedom of expression marks the end of Universal Human Rights

Comment #152971 by Hobbit on March 31, 2008 at 7:23 pm

How do you know that Australia abstained ? I couldn't see that in the article.

Mind you I did notice


Sorry, I may have miss read that.

After reading the article in the Herald Tribune, we may actually have voted against the resoltion.

Still, not much fuss being made about in our news media that I can see.

22. Vote on freedom of expression marks the end of Universal Human Rights

Comment #152958 by Hobbit on March 31, 2008 at 7:07 pm

I have not read this in any of the major Australian papers today. Has anyone seen a report on this?

I am about to send a link to the SMH and see if they run it.

All major news outlets should be leading with this and asking our political leaders why our countries abstained! This will ultimately affect them.

23. Vatican: Islam surpasses Roman Catholicism as world's largest religion

Comment #152945 by Hobbit on March 31, 2008 at 6:38 pm

"For the first time in history, we are no longer at the top: Muslims have overtaken us," Monsignor Vittorio Formenti said in an interview with the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano.


So history only goes back as far as the start of the catholic church?

Maybe it's just me, but surely when Jesus was alive / made up, Judaism was on top?

Or at one time, the ancient Roman or Greek or Persian or Aztec or Mayan or, or, or!!!!

What a bunch of arrogant arseholes.

"It is true that while Muslim families, as is well known, continue to make a lot of children, Christian ones on the contrary tend to have fewer and fewer," the monsignor said.


Oh my god, they are beating us at our own game! Quick go out and impregnate each other before we are overwhelmed!

The sky is falling, the sky is falling!

24. Police: Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help

Comment #152406 by Hobbit on March 31, 2008 at 1:13 am

fides,

Still waiting on your thoughts about whether or not these people murdered their children!

Should the other kids be taken away?

What is the catholic view on this?

25. Police: Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help

Comment #152096 by Hobbit on March 30, 2008 at 5:15 am

Sorry boys and girls, but it is past my bed time. I will take this up tomorrow.

Good night all.

26. Police: Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help

Comment #152093 by Hobbit on March 30, 2008 at 5:08 am

Comment #152090 by fides_et_ratio

Murray, this might help.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12345b.htm


So this is your interpretation of what prayer is. Please explain how the parent's in this case were wrong in their interpretation?

27. Police: Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help

Comment #152091 by Hobbit on March 30, 2008 at 5:01 am

Comment #152081 by fides_et_ratio

And I'm sure you'll appreciate me not telling you how to do it.


I simply told you how I do it!

28. Police: Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help

Comment #152086 by Hobbit on March 30, 2008 at 4:54 am

Comment #152084 by BillySands

These people are cunts!


Don't hold back Billy, tell us what you really think!

29. Police: Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help

Comment #152082 by Hobbit on March 30, 2008 at 4:51 am

Comment #152080 by fides_et_ratio

In an attempt to find some common ground.

1. We agree that the actions of the parents in the article were wrong.

2. We can see that their decision isn't representative of all religious people.

3. Churches may contain (traces of) nuts.


And should they be charged with murder? If not, why not?

Should they have their remaining children removed from them? If not, why not?

30. Police: Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help

Comment #152078 by Hobbit on March 30, 2008 at 4:43 am

Comment #152069 by fides_et_ratio

We did help them, granted we didn't give them the holiday destination of your choice, wherever that is, but then you could do something about that by giving up your own time and money to help someone in a similar position instead of criticising those who do couldn't you?


Actually, I do lot's of charity work and I have worked with disabled people during parts of my career (although not at the moment). The difference is, I don't do it to please some magic man in the sky and gain brownie points with him.

I don't do it to try and introduce these people to the magic man in the sky.

I do it because these people need help. I do it because it is human. I do it because I would like to think that if I need help one day, another member of our species will help me too.

Humans have been helping each other out for many thousands of years before god was invented.

Still waiting for your thoughts on the murder aspect etc?

31. Police: Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help

Comment #152074 by Hobbit on March 30, 2008 at 4:32 am

Comment #152065 by Bonzai

Are you sure you are not talking about steve z?
Whose picture do you see all over the site?


No, I'm talking about you, who has no image all over this site, but lots of text.

Sexual fantasies can be about power too,


True. But the difference is a fantasy is something I want to act out (and if I'm lucky, get to act out with a consensual partner/s), rape is something that I actually act out on a non consensual partner.

It is an act of violence and humiliation perpetrated on another against their will.

32. Police: Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help

Comment #152063 by Hobbit on March 30, 2008 at 4:21 am

fides,

I would also like to know your opinion on whether or not these people should be charged with murder by neglect?

Have their other children been abused? If so, should they be removed for their own safety? After all, the only thing their parents did that was wrong, was to pray!

33. Police: Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help

Comment #152060 by Hobbit on March 30, 2008 at 4:15 am

Comment #152047 by fides_et_ratio

the aim wasn't to bring them back without their disability, it was to give them a nice time. It succeeds year upon year. It succeeds because people are generous with their time and money. Prayer seems to be the common denominator between the volunteers and fundraisers involved.


So why not give them a "nice time closer to home and with less expense, put the money saved into medical research that can really help these kids?

And if prayer is the common denominator, what on earth are you praying for if not to help these disabled kids?

34. Police: Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help

Comment #152054 by Hobbit on March 30, 2008 at 4:04 am

Comment #152033 by Bonzai

So what is the "proper use" of sexual fantasies? We all have them but some do go out and rape. Do we need an algorithm to determine what is a proper fantasy ?


I really don't want to get into this argument, simply because Bonsai is a bore who is like a dog with a bone when he gets into an argument.

However, I must comment.

Rape is almost never about sex or sexual fantasies. I t is almost always about power.

Just ask anyone who has been raped in gaol (I, thankfully, don't count myself amongst their number).

35. Police: Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help

Comment #152041 by Hobbit on March 30, 2008 at 3:49 am

Comment #152025 by Steve Zara

If Big Pharma produced a drug that caused several deaths, there is a scandal, and the drug is recalled.

When Big Religion produced a belief that is implicated in deaths, there is no scandal, because people are apparently "taking the belief wrong". Well, I can't see any instructions on the side of the packet, and it is up to those who claim that there is a safe dose to tell us what it is and how they know.


Really well put! Couldn't agree more>

36. Police: Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help

Comment #152031 by Hobbit on March 30, 2008 at 3:36 am

Comment #152006 by fides_et_ratio

If you genuinely want a discussion, 'faith head' doesn't indicate a desire to engage in constructive dialogue.


fides, I'm glad you came over. What would you prefer to 'faith head'? I did invite you over for constructive dialogue after all.

Firstly, can you please address my previous questions?

So these people are not true Christians because they follow the wrong dogma?

Does this mean that you (and all the Catholics you know) don't believe in the power of prayer and just go through the motions of make believe to appease the other church goers?

Please come over to the other thread and make your views clear as to why these people are wrong and why.

They follow the same book and god that you do!

Then we will move onto the following:

I've been to Lourdes several times. It's a good case in point for what I said about prayer and the benefits of prayer. I've been part of pilgrimages consisting of thousands of people from Britain. Disabled children are taken for a weeks holiday to Lourdes provided free of charge and staffed almost completely by volunteers (including many doctors), whose lives are rooted in prayer. Generally a good week is had by all. Of course, things like that don't tend to get reported in the press, unlike the story above.


So how many of the children were NOT disabled when you got back from Lourdes? What prayers did you make whilst there? Did you ask for the children to be healed? If not why not? Why else would you go there? If yes, and none of them were healed, what's the point?

37. Police: Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help

Comment #151986 by Hobbit on March 29, 2008 at 9:41 pm

Below is a response (finally) from one of the faith heads when pressed on this issue.

Comment #151966 by fides_et_ratio

If my child is sick, I take her to the doctor. I think everyone should do that. All the Catholics I know would do the same. In fact we believe in the effectiveness of medicine so much that we establish hospitals and hospices etc. 'faith head', keep thinking freely eh.


I have asked the following questions in response.

So these people are not true Christians because they follow the wrong dogma?

Does this mean that you (and all the Catholics you know) don't believe in the power of prayer and just go through the motions of make believe to appease the other church goers?

Please come over to the other thread and make your views clear as to why these people are wrong and why.

They follow the same book and god that you do!

38. 'We Make Our Own Heaven'

Comment #151982 by Hobbit on March 29, 2008 at 9:20 pm

Comment #151966 by fides_et_ratio


If my child is sick, I take her to the doctor. I think everyone should do that. All the Catholics I know would do the same.


So these people are not true Christians because they follow the wrong dogma?

Does this mean that you (and all the Catholics you know) don't believe in the power of prayer and just go through the motions of make believe to appease the other church goers?

Please come over to the other thread and make your views clear as to why these people are wrong and why.

They follow the same book and god that you do!

39. Police: Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help

Comment #151926 by Hobbit on March 29, 2008 at 5:03 pm

Bonzai,

I know that you like to argue for the sake of arguing (don't argue with that statement) :o).

But the reason people here are attacking all Christians here (well me at least, I shouldn't speak for others) is because the so called "moderates" enable the "fundies" to act in this way.

The "moderates" never come out and say that these people are wrong and will go to hell. They usually just say things like "that's not my god" or as we saw above "Obviously these people did not know anything about prayer" (I know that I didn't put the whole sentence in that quote. It was more for demonstration purposes).

If only the less religious would finally come out and say "actually, these people are praying to an imaginary god that someone made up and were only in it for the tea and biscuits after church" (wishing thinking on my part) then the fundies look even more crackpot and the law would have removed their children from them a long time ago.

I am about to go out for a lovely lunch, so unfortunately, I will be unable to respond to your response until later.

40. Police: Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help

Comment #151913 by Hobbit on March 29, 2008 at 4:46 pm

Comment #151862 by Verylee:

Come on, Robertson, D'Souza, McGrath, Revcort or whoever else. Come and explain

Their silence is deafening. Maybe it's a good thing as they would most likely post something crass, evasive or offensive, or maybe they just don't care? Our blasphemy is more worthy of their contempt.


I made a direct challenge to fides on another thread to come and comment on this issue. I issued the challenge 3 times and was ignored each time.

As you say, their silence is deafening. I told fides that his lack of response spoke volumes.

fides (or any other faith head), if you are reading this, I will present the challenge / request for a 4th time. Please give us your thoughts / rationalisation of the parent's action here!

I am still looking forward to how you justify this lunacy!

41. 'We Make Our Own Heaven'

Comment #151857 by Hobbit on March 29, 2008 at 3:09 pm

fides_et_ratio

You have come back on since my last request to respond to the death of the 11 year old girl through the negligence of her parents who prayed instead of taking her to a doctor.

Once again, your silence (and that of your fellow faith heads) is deafening.

Why are you all ignoring that thread? Why will you not respond? What are you afraid of?

Show us you have some balls and start telling us why their prayers weren't answered!

Sorry to everyone else for getting off the topic of this thread. I am just really pissed off that the faith heads are ignoring this tragedy that they are all complicit in by empowering morons like this.

42. 'We Make Our Own Heaven'

Comment #151471 by Hobbit on March 28, 2008 at 7:52 pm

fides_et_ratio, your lack of response speaks volumes!

43. 'We Make Our Own Heaven'

Comment #151427 by Hobbit on March 28, 2008 at 5:08 pm

What a crap article. It comes across as a condescending religious "look at the atheists playing church".

fides_et_ratio I notice that you your fellow faith heads have been deafening in your silence over at the thread re the parents that prayed instead of taking the daughter to a doctor and watch her die from a treatable illness because they believed god would heal her if they had enough faith.

This is what a lack of critical thinking, free thought and belief in magical sky fairies leads to.

I look forward to reading your thoughts over on that thread and how you rationalise this lunacy!

44. Police: Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help

Comment #151399 by Hobbit on March 28, 2008 at 4:05 pm

Whilst this tragedy could have easily been avoided had the parents called for medical help, I wonder if they had any medical insurance. Apparently some 47 million Americans have no health insurance. Could this be the reason for their inaction apart from prayer?


I have a slightly different theory. What if, in the back of these parent's very small brain, they knew that by taking their daughter to a doctor, she would be cured?

If this happened, they would have to acknowledge that their faith in prayer and the sky fairy has been completely misguided and that they have been wasting their lives on this shit as well as passing it on to their children.

Maybe this was too much for their faith brains to take, so they just kept on praying that prayer would work whilst they watched their child die before their eyes.

Just a theory on how fucked up faith head brains function and rationalise this bullshit to themselves.

45. Police: Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help

Comment #150295 by Hobbit on March 26, 2008 at 5:00 pm

The girl has three siblings, ranging in age from 13 to 16, the police chief said.

"They are still in the home," he said. "There is no reason to remove them. There is no abuse or signs of abuse that we can see."

The girl's death remains under investigation and the findings will be forwarded to the district attorney to review for possible charges, the chief said.


WTF!!!!

No signs of abuse??? They have just witnessed their sister die a horrible death whilst their parents did nothing! If that is not abuse, I'd hate to see what this moron classes as abuse!

As for review of possible charges! POSSIBLE CHARGES!! WTF again. If these people had taken their daughter to a doctor and the doctor told them that the only cure was to pray, what do you think would happen to the doctor?

He / she would be struck off and charged with medical negligence, then sued.

And these morons are allowed to breed! You need a license to own a dog for crap sake, but any f*@k wit can have kids.

The sooner religion dies the better!

46. They prayed to cast Satan from my body

Comment #146214 by Hobbit on March 18, 2008 at 7:20 pm

Here are links to 2 follow up articles on these fuckknuckles:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/bspecial-investigationb-gods-cure-for-gays-lost-in-sin/2008/03/18/1205602385236.html

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/no-mercy-for-transgressions/2008/03/18/1205602385239.html

The first is how they "treat and cure" gays and the second is a follow up to the original article. This one does include responses from people that had a positive experience at the Mercy Mission and found Zeus.

47. They prayed to cast Satan from my body

Comment #145469 by Hobbit on March 17, 2008 at 4:00 pm

As an Australian I was outraged to read about the fuckwits torturing some of the most vulnerable people in our community behind the masquerade of 'Religion'.

As for the Hillsong church, they are fast becoming a political force in our country. They are infiltrating the right wing political parties and have even had members elected to both state and federal parliament. They have styled themselves on the evangelical gospel giants of the American bible belt (such Haggert et al).

Even our Prime Minister is a God botherer, so don't expect any action soon on calling the religious iron age myth believers to account or making them pay their fare share of tax.

If you think that it is bad that the Mercy Morons and Hillsong get away tax free despite earning (read stealing from the ignorant) multi millions every year, think about this. In June this year, Sydney is hosting World Youth Day.

For those of you that are unaware of this farce, WYD is the Catholic churches version of the Olympics. The chief bloke in a frock (AKA the pope), will be coming to Sydney to attempt to brainwash as many young people from around the world as possible. They will be taking over large parts of the city with their medieval ceremonies etc.

The real kicker here is that, despite the enormous wealth of the Catholic Church, the tax payers of Australia will be subsiding this event to the tune of millions of dollars. And we are supposed to be grateful that it's on our door. We are supposed to be part of the "spiritual" awaking and ignore the massive disruption to the normal activities of Australia's largest city.

I am like secondsoprano; I can't boycott GJ's as I can't stand their weak as piss American style water that they pass of as coffee. I am traveling to the US several times this year for business and I am dreading the lukewarm slightly brown see through dirty river water that is passed of as coffee. Other than that, I quite enjoy my time in the US.

48. Physicist Neil Turok: Big Bang Wasn't the Beginning

Comment #132219 by Hobbit on February 24, 2008 at 1:32 pm

Why do we even care what the Catholic Church thinks on these issues? They have proven time and time again that they are not interested in the truth of science. Just look how long it took them acknowledge that the earth is not the centre of the universe and to apologise to Galileo!

As for the rest of the article, most of it went over my head, but I do look forward to reading the opinions of the physics contributors on this site such as Eepist.

49. Admitting that you have no religion is not politically correct

Comment #122654 by Hobbit on February 5, 2008 at 6:29 pm

Hi All,

It has been quite a will since I posted, although I have been reading the various threads with great interest.

A simple way to check whether or not the CC is discriminating against non believers is to re submit the application exactly as it was, but change:

"to promote science, freedom of inquiry, skepticism, and a good life without the need for superstition or religious belief."

To: "to promote science, freedom of inquiry, skepticism, and a good life with the need for superstition or religious belief."

If the application is accepted, then we all throw our arms up and start yelling loudly.

It would be an interesting exercise.

50. An Open Letter to Richard Dawkins

Comment #96651 by Hobbit on December 10, 2007 at 7:43 pm

Like religions everywhere, Mao, Stalin and Hitler all committed mass murder to further their own power base. Simple.

Communist China, North Korea, Zimbabwe and other dictatorships around the world continue this practice. It has nothing to do with belief in a magic sky fairy or not, but holding onto power. As was the Spanish inquisition.

As others here have stated, these people need to use a dictionary every now and then. Atheism is not a philosophy, but simply that one does not believe in a god!

Atticus_of_Amber - that was a great response and I suggest you email it to the good kiddie fiddler - err - I mean father and let us know his response.

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