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Comments by irate_atheist


1. Religion out of medicine, a new message for Ontario doctors

Comment #234353 by irate_atheist on August 21, 2008 at 8:41 am

147. Comment #234349 by Fanusi Khiyal -

If they want to provide medical treatment they can train as a doctor/nurse/surgeon etc., then be employed in the private/public sector. They they have to play by their employer's rules. If any of us need medical treatment we can choose the public/provate route dependent on our means. Given that we all pay taxes, we should - as indirect employers - expect equal treatment (without irrational predjudice from the employed doctor) from the doctor. If they cannot do this, if they are so flawed and unprofessional they allow their own personal prejudices to allow them - on a whim - to decide not to treat someone that they are paid to treat, they should not be in the profession. Period.

What are you going to do when it's you on the operating table, and the doctor resents the collar you have placed round his neck?
You really do talk a load of bollocks sometimes, you know.

2. Pastor Rick's Test

Comment #234341 by irate_atheist on August 21, 2008 at 8:04 am

117. Comment #234338 by Vaal -

Perhaps we could also get their views on the importance of Pluto being relegated from being a planet, and how that will effect future policy?
Thursdays will be rubbish.

3. Q&A with Richard Dawkins after lecture at UC Berkeley

Comment #234339 by irate_atheist on August 21, 2008 at 7:58 am

79. Comment #234337 by Philip1978 -

to my sheer surprise I got a load of gibberish back
Shocking.

4. Q&A with Richard Dawkins after lecture at UC Berkeley

Comment #234320 by irate_atheist on August 21, 2008 at 7:21 am

71. Comment #234312 by Philip1978 -

If wahooter/clearmymind/clearthatis is a troll/sock-puppet, I take my hat off to the actual poster. It's like deliberately playing the piano badly - but not too badly - for comedic effect. Even more difficult than just playing it well.

5. Religion out of medicine, a new message for Ontario doctors

Comment #234319 by irate_atheist on August 21, 2008 at 7:17 am

144. Comment #234314 by Steve Zara -

Just a minute. This stinks of hypocrisy. You don't want governments to control doctor's ethics, but you are OK with goverments throwing people out of the country if their ethics don't agree with yours (such as regards Sharia).

You are libertarian, but only for people who share your views.
*Ahem*. You've just discovered the 'No True Libertarian' fallacy.

6. Religion out of medicine, a new message for Ontario doctors

Comment #234304 by irate_atheist on August 21, 2008 at 6:27 am

137. Comment #234297 by Quetzalcoatl -

Apparently mixing your metaphors is a symptom. :)
Just paraphrasing Ernest Bevin when he discussed the Council of Europe. Not that I hold to his views on this matter, you understand.

7. Religion out of medicine, a new message for Ontario doctors

Comment #234295 by irate_atheist on August 21, 2008 at 5:54 am

133. Comment #234286 by Steve Zara -

I am afraid I feel the same as irate now. Some attitudes reduce one to profanity.
Good grief man. It's a slippery slope you've embarked on; once you've opened that pandora's box, you never know what trojan horses will come out.

8. Religion out of medicine, a new message for Ontario doctors

Comment #234283 by irate_atheist on August 21, 2008 at 4:52 am

I was going to post something profound here, but could only think of something profane. In which case, I shan't bother.

9. A flea we missed?

Comment #234269 by irate_atheist on August 21, 2008 at 3:53 am

996. Comment #234266 by hungarianelephant -

:~

10. A flea we missed?

Comment #234259 by irate_atheist on August 21, 2008 at 3:45 am

992. Comment #234258 by Steve Zara -


You'd need a symbol for 'bollocks', too.

11. A flea we missed?

Comment #234252 by irate_atheist on August 21, 2008 at 3:30 am

989. Comment #234249 by Laurie Fraser -

Blasphemer!!!!!!!

12. Q&A with Richard Dawkins after lecture at UC Berkeley

Comment #234247 by irate_atheist on August 21, 2008 at 3:24 am

59. Comment #234238 by Steve Zara -

It begs the question. What would a theist do if god told them they didn't exist?

13. A flea we missed?

Comment #234245 by irate_atheist on August 21, 2008 at 3:23 am

972. Comment #234217 by Tyler Durden -

And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?"

And again in Genesis 4:9

"And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?"

How does an omniscient God not know where the only man on earth is?
Tyler - had you studied the bible using reason and logic for twenty five years you would understand how this is not inconsistent. It is neither scientifically nor historically incorrect.

14. Q&A with Richard Dawkins after lecture at UC Berkeley

Comment #234219 by irate_atheist on August 21, 2008 at 2:31 am

50. Comment #234210 by isthatclear -

My mind says yes, no? REason an logic say me yes. pehraps.

DO YOU KNOW? IDO!

Enough. The worms are turning into badgers yes?

YOU CANNOT SILEMCE my reason and logic so You LOOSE.

15. Pastor Rick's Test

Comment #234111 by irate_atheist on August 20, 2008 at 9:59 pm

77. Comment #234085 by marshall1 -

I don't condone, or accept any believer that acts in ways that don't respect non-believers. If I witness another believer who is mistreating those who God hasn't reached yet, I call them out on it.
Self-righteous, self-deluding, patronising, imbecile.

16. Catholic leaders block contraceptive advice for 30,000 Scots girls

Comment #234106 by irate_atheist on August 20, 2008 at 9:48 pm

Catholics Utter No To Sex.

Yep - you got it.

17. A flea we missed?

Comment #234093 by irate_atheist on August 20, 2008 at 9:21 pm

I have had a revelation. David Robertson has provided us with evidence for the supernatural - life after brain-death...

18. Pastor Rick's Test

Comment #234067 by irate_atheist on August 20, 2008 at 8:42 pm

The most powerful nation on earth, run in the 21st century by someone who believes that human beings can walk on water, corpses can rise from the dead and that a big sky-daddy will make it all alright in the end.

Ladies and gentlemen, we are fucked.

19. A flea we missed?

Comment #233150 by irate_atheist on August 19, 2008 at 7:26 am

771. Comment #233147 by Cartomancer -

But he can tell the difference between a miracle and a coincidence. How? It's Jesus!!!!!!

20. A flea we missed?

Comment #233145 by irate_atheist on August 19, 2008 at 7:20 am

768. Comment #233143 by Cartomancer -

A question we have to ask ourselves is, why does David Robertson not take on board the biblical imperative to 'go forth and multiply'. I, for one, would like him to do so.

21. A flea we missed?

Comment #233142 by irate_atheist on August 19, 2008 at 7:15 am

765. Comment #233138 by coretemprising -

The questions and answers to his posts are not for his benefit. They are for the benefit of anyone else reading this site. And watching the worm wriggle.

766. Comment #233139 by Quetzalcoatl -LOL!!!

22. A flea we missed?

Comment #233135 by irate_atheist on August 19, 2008 at 7:07 am

762. Comment #233130 by phasmagigas -

Indeed.

Climate change - the cause and results of - are a matter for scientific study. Nothing to do with 'sin'. Or does Leviticus explicitly state 'thou shallt not raise the global mean temperature by more than 2.50C'?

Twisting, lying, conflating. It's all he can do. That's all there is to do if you want to claim bronze-age myths are true.

23. A flea we missed?

Comment #233107 by irate_atheist on August 19, 2008 at 6:26 am

651. Comment #232946 by David A Robertson -

I accept the two books of Gods revelation - the creation (and the scientific study of it) and the Bible. As regards the latter I have been studying it professionally for 25 years and have yet to find any scientific or historical inaccuracy. But of course you know different.


687. Comment #233006 by David A Robertson -
Why does having a history degree make you an expert on science?


It doesn't. I am not an expert on science and have never claimed to be.
I let the reader draw their own conclusions from these two statements.

24. Religion out of medicine, a new message for Ontario doctors

Comment #232507 by irate_atheist on August 18, 2008 at 8:30 am

76. Comment #232500 by Fanusi Khiyal -

This is not analogous. Wearing the star probably didn't endanger anyone else's health. Specifically not wearing stars was - quite possibly - not in your contract. Wearing or not wearing the star had no bearing on the outcome for clients of your business.

But we come to the crucial part; You resigned. A doctor can do just the same. QED.

Edit: What if all doctors were privately employed - what if they all - unregulated as they would be in your ideal world - decided not to treat anyone called Fanusi? Or anyone with a father called Fanusi? Would that be OK?

25. Evangelically Serious Science

Comment #232497 by irate_atheist on August 18, 2008 at 8:10 am

Greg -

It was a sideswipe at the thread contents - no one in particular. Perhaps. Or perhaps not. I really have no idea.

26. Religion out of medicine, a new message for Ontario doctors

Comment #232495 by irate_atheist on August 18, 2008 at 8:07 am

Fanusi -

So you are saying it is acceptable for a doctor to refuse life-saving treatment for a patient because of the doctor's personal beliefs resulting in that patient's death. How does a dead person go to someone else for treatment? Please explain.

I bet you follow a few company rules you'd rather flout under 'compulsion' than lose your job. Do you adhere to health and safety practices despite 'common sense' telling you there's no need to worry. Do you wander in to the office at any time of day becasue, well, you shouldn't be compelled to be there on time?

Why is it a doctor's right - someone paid to do a specific job - to take the money for doing that job but then refuse to do that job because of religion? Resign or do the job. It's a simple as that.

27. Evangelically Serious Science

Comment #232486 by irate_atheist on August 18, 2008 at 7:48 am

"What we're dealing with here, is a complete lack of respect for the law." - Justice T. Buford

28. Religion out of medicine, a new message for Ontario doctors

Comment #232482 by irate_atheist on August 18, 2008 at 7:39 am

68. Comment #232468 by utelme -

It is the thin edge of the wedge. What if his clinic is staffed by people he has chosen for their particular 'moral' outlook? And you don't find out until it's too late?

What if an emergency abortion is required to save a mother's life and no other doctor can quickly be rushed to help and he won't? Perhaps he would be OK in this case, but he may be overly prejudiced to save the unborn fetus at the risk of the mother's life.

These are extreme cases, I'l admit, but since when did being a public servant include - at the very least - inconveniencing the public - or, at worst, endangering them because of supernatural beliefs.

When did that become acceptable?

The doctor not prescribing anabolics may have been better versed in their side-effects than the one that did and was concerned for the long-term well being of his patient. He may have read an article on the subject that raised concerns. The oher doctor may have read the same article but decided the risk-reward calculation was in your favour. I doubt either cated the way they did did it because doing so was prohibited or encouraged in Leviticus.

Would it be acceptable for a Jehovah's Witness to become a doctor and then refuse to give a life-saving blood transfusion resulting in someone's death? All because his fairy tale claims it is wrong to do so and, regrettably, at two in the morning no one else is around to do it instead?

The edge may seem thin - but the rest of the wedge is too thick to be allowed a way in.

29. A flea we missed?

Comment #232472 by irate_atheist on August 18, 2008 at 7:25 am

529. Comment #232470 by Oystein Elgaroy -

Is this more your area of expertise...

http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/35363/title/Stars_ablaze_in_other_skies

30. A flea we missed?

Comment #232409 by irate_atheist on August 18, 2008 at 4:38 am

485. Comment #232406 by stevencarrwork -

He doesn't need so stinking evidence. Somebody wrote down a story and Robertston will believe it to his dying day.
Now, if the Gnostic Gospels were in the bible, he'd believe them too. But, because they're not, he doesn't because they don't fit in with 'biblical christianity'.

An indoctrinated child or similar I can have some sympathy with, but this mental-mickey is beyond reason.

31. A flea we missed?

Comment #232405 by irate_atheist on August 18, 2008 at 4:23 am

483. Comment #232404 by Tyler Durden -

Evidence. Reason. Logic.

Now, who else repeatedly uses those same words in a sentence?

32. A flea we missed?

Comment #232400 by irate_atheist on August 18, 2008 at 3:21 am

479. Comment #232398 by Vaal -

A different sort of death, I suspect.

33. A flea we missed?

Comment #232399 by irate_atheist on August 18, 2008 at 3:18 am

476. Comment #232392 by Steve Zara -

My biggest concern is that they will give Roberston an enema before they bury him. It'll be like looking for a needle in haystack that isn't there. To ensure success, full coverage will be required.

34. A flea we missed?

Comment #232395 by irate_atheist on August 18, 2008 at 3:14 am

476. Comment #232392 by Steve Zara -

Maybe, Hitch-Hiker's Guide style, there was some kind of accident involving a condom, a rubber band and a time machine.
I wish there had been.

35. Petrol pump pilgrims keep faith

Comment #232394 by irate_atheist on August 18, 2008 at 3:12 am

Usual comment applies.

36. A flea we missed?

Comment #232387 by irate_atheist on August 18, 2008 at 3:03 am

467. Comment #232382 by Steve Zara -

"In advertising there's no such thing as a lie, only an expedient exaggeration." Cary Grant in North By Northwest

37. A flea we missed?

Comment #232385 by irate_atheist on August 18, 2008 at 2:58 am

8teist -

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

38. A flea we missed?

Comment #232381 by irate_atheist on August 18, 2008 at 2:51 am

463. Comment #232378 by Steve Zara -

Steve, I'm reminded of one of those classic pieces of dialogue from Fawlty Towers:

Basil: ...wasn't it Oscar Wilde who said, "They have minds like Swiss cheese?"
The Major: What do you mean - hard?
Basil: No, no - full of holes.

39. A flea we missed?

Comment #232379 by irate_atheist on August 18, 2008 at 2:46 am

459. Comment #232373 by mordacious1 -

And if you and I didn't have to pay a mortgage or rent etc. we could live quite happily on that sort of money.

40. A flea we missed?

Comment #232376 by irate_atheist on August 18, 2008 at 2:43 am

460. Comment #232374 by Quetzalcoatl -

Ah, but that's down to incorrect interpretation. Along with everything else, I would hazard a guess.

I'd love to see this worm man debate a Muslim scholar on the Koran. Let's see if he can justify his own disbelief in someone else's fairy tales.

41. A flea we missed?

Comment #232368 by irate_atheist on August 18, 2008 at 2:27 am

452. Comment #232365 by Steve Zara -

Are you looking for today's honest response, yesterday's or tomorrow's?

Like every minister or vicar I've ever met - friends included - he's making it all up as he goes along. But, then again, that's what all creators of fiction do.

42. A flea we missed?

Comment #232363 by irate_atheist on August 18, 2008 at 2:21 am

449. Comment #232362 by Quetzalcoatl -

Different kind of resurrection. Along with the five hundred walking out the graveyard.

These people are a joke, and not even a funny one.

43. A flea we missed?

Comment #232361 by irate_atheist on August 18, 2008 at 2:18 am

decius -

That's not his kind of zombie.

Call it the No True Zombie fallacy.

44. A flea we missed?

Comment #232359 by irate_atheist on August 18, 2008 at 2:15 am

441. Comment #232350 by David A Robertson -

Oh, good, a bit of a response from David Robertson.

Why am I not a Muslim? Because I have read the Koran, read the history and examined the evidence and I do not think it is true.


So, given the documented dubious history of your chosen cult, why do you believe it?

Why do you prefer to believe the writings of ignorant superstitious individuals to 500 years plus of rigorous scientific enquiry?
It is scientifically wrong, historically inaccurate and full of more contradictions than a schizophrenics convention.

You make outrageous claims about human 'sin' causing catastrophes (you wrote not all....are due to human sin thus implying that some are.) You make absurd claims about the origin of the universe.

Irate - a whole paragraph without an expletive! Congratulations.
Nice to see the usual sarcasm from you. Somehow it's reassuring. You know what, I've done an entire Master Degree at Cambridge without having to write anything abusive in any of my exams, supervision questions or experimental reports. But, then again, I wasn't dealing with a cretin like you at the time.
In fact if you want to broaden your minds a little bit and come out of your atheist closed minded closet then I would strongly recommend the Pope's latest book - Jesus of Nazareth. Brilliant.
No thanks. Tesco's had a good offer on their own-brand toilet roll recently and we're sufficiently stocked up on it.

45. A flea we missed?

Comment #232351 by irate_atheist on August 18, 2008 at 1:54 am

David Robertson



I repeat the below, in full, for the benefit of yourself and anyone else visiting this site:
270. Comment #231768 by irate_atheist on August 17, 2008 at 3:30 am

Rev. David Robertson - Why are you not a Muslim? Please explain why you do not believe the miracles described in the Koran, please explain why you do not believe Mohammed was a prophet of god when he said that Jesus was.

Please also explain why you are not a Mormon.

If you like, please explain - in detail - why you are not a member of the Lutheran, Anglican, Catholic, Presbyterian, Eastern Orthodox, United Reformed, Baptist or Methodist movements. Please feel to add in any or all of the other 38,000 denominations. Please explain why you have faith that your little splinter group is correct and all the others are wrong.

Having done that, please explain why you do not believe any of the Mayan, Aztec, Hindhu, Pagan, Celtic, Greek, Sikh, Roman or Nordic myths.

I think many people here would find your answers interesting.

I await your response to this simple, easy to understand, direct question.


I am still waiting for your response.

46. A flea we missed?

Comment #232347 by irate_atheist on August 18, 2008 at 1:32 am

427. Comment #232231 by isthatclear -

Morning fucktard. Still got your brain hanging out of your ear, I see.

47. Poll: Should the motto 'In God We Trust' be removed from U.S. currency?

Comment #231780 by irate_atheist on August 17, 2008 at 4:22 am

127. Comment #231524 by angeleyes200054 -

You are clearly an uneducated imbecile.

Buy yourself a dictionary or, for preference, just fuck off.

48. A flea we missed?

Comment #231779 by irate_atheist on August 17, 2008 at 4:20 am

274. Comment #231775 by Steve Zara -

Spot on. I, for one, am sick of it. Thoroughly sick of it. Then they demand respect. Fuck' em. Fuck all of 'em.

49. A flea we missed?

Comment #231772 by irate_atheist on August 17, 2008 at 3:50 am

Laurie -

Perhaps you too would like to join me on my gardening expedition.

50. Rushdie condemns cancellation of Muhammad novel

Comment #231770 by irate_atheist on August 17, 2008 at 3:41 am

48. Comment #231747 -

No, I do not see it ending well. Wilfull self-delusion and inability to face reality rarely end in success. I am, of course, speaking of both sides in this conflict.

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