1. Ayaan Hirsi Ali at AAI 07

Comment #87244 by seingalt on November 11, 2007 at 3:01 pm

>What she believed was that people shouldn't be rendered powerless by tradition.

Who does not (at least at Dawkins.net)?

>She gave up her friends, family and security to stand up for what she believed

well, security yes. The rest she was forced to leave because of the civil war in somalie 1992. She fake-married a cousin from Canada, but stayed in Holland.

In holland she went to the shelter places for women who were beaten by their husbands. Ayaan chose especially the ones where were muslim-women. She went there and told them it was all and only because of Islam that they were beaten by their men. Which is complete nonsense of course. (I assume you know a little of psychology) The women by the way did not appriciate it. (their men were evil, not the book they used for an exuse)

You want to tell me that taking away from these women the last source of peace and stability (their religion) because of personal hatred, is enlightend??? That blaming an entire religion and every muslim for the fact that people in her 'stone-age vilagers' cut of her clitoris is enlightend?
My friend, you have not even began seeing the never ending nuances within cultures/religions and the sporadical idiot, which can be found anywhere.

We have have issues with Muslims. Which is for the greater part OUR fault. (long explanation) My point is: It's about Muslims, because idiot-culures (as savage as the one Ayaan describes) you van find (almost) everywhere.

Yes, Ayaan, thank u, you are so brave! You tell us exactly what our self-rightious ears what to hear!

2. Ayaan Hirsi Ali at AAI 07

Comment #84473 by seingalt on November 2, 2007 at 5:58 am

'I get the feeling that the Dutch (like all European nations) are quite far behind in their enlightenment regarding race/ethnicity/religion.'

'The Dutch and the French seem unable to shake loose their hatred of Jews and Muslims long enough to allow them a place at the political table.'

lol
Uhm, I don't know which countries ur talking about, but your not talking about the Netherlands...(by the way: you do know how many millions of people your trying to generalize here right??)

Anyways: I read many comments here and I think we are so far of. What is the point of her speech? We westerns listening to an (ex)muslim woman about her past, laughing at all the strange ways they have in their culture, patting eachother on the back saying: ow ow ow, we are sooooooo enlightend!!! So superior....bla bla bla

I am sorry, I don't know what the **** everyone is talking about. Bravery? courage? She has (like many others before her and after) a bad personal experience with a religion and she's now taking a crap on everything and everyone that has something to do with Islam. very enlightend.

Ayaan is the ultimate 'wank-job' for western dominant society. Now we have a muslim saying: Yes!! u are so much better! they are savage!

So I repeat: Bla bla bla...

3. Interview with Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Comment #65168 by seingalt on August 23, 2007 at 4:48 am

Duly noted Dr. Benway, I agree and your vision has been added to my own.

(I only mend that ayaan is not only protesting against ideas, but more against that what is being put into practise while pretending ALL muslim are alike. Which, from personal experience I think is simply not true. We must not create a world that is black and white when it's not. 'Us against them' brings no solution. We atheists know this better than all)

4. Interview with Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Comment #64648 by seingalt on August 21, 2007 at 6:09 am

Roach,

It could be like that. However, why criticise loose ideas? Why make an issue out of ideas that are not being put into practise? This can surely not be the case. (there are many bad ideas in the world, is she going to criticise them all?) Islam extremisme is being put into practise; not by the book; by people, Muslims. (I know from her time in the Netherlands, she was pretty harsh and intolerant against everything that had to do with that religion. That is simply not the way the solve any problem. I do not judge about whether she right or not and in which degree.)

Steve99,

Of course: what is extremisme? Its a dodgy question indeed. However we must accept that the world is getting smaller and smaller, ideas from other cultures are coming to us and we will disagree with some of them. How to solve every problem when cultures collied, I do not dare to say I know how for every issue. Though, generalising in my opinion can only create enemies where could have been bystanders.

5. Interview with Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Comment #64540 by seingalt on August 20, 2007 at 2:57 pm

When you generalise towards a group of people as big as 'the Muslims', you can never be right. She's only right concerning extremist. The vast majority of Muslims is not. Generalising is dangerous because it makes the world easier to understand but this simplified truth is not correct. I think it is obvious she has a very personal hatred against Islam because of her past. Though, she should not be fighting her personal wars against everything that relates to her personal enemy in politics. She went to the US probably because people there are more open to the idea of Muslims as the 'big enemy' in a simplified world. When I watch Fox-news propaganda, I cannot even blame them…