1. Losing Our Spines to Save Our Necks

Comment #175374 by clodhopper on May 5, 2008 at 10:24 am

The lesson we should draw from the Fitna controversy is that we need more criticism of Islam, not less. Let it come down in such torrents that not even the most deluded Islamist could conceive of containing it.

2. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166996 by clodhopper on April 23, 2008 at 2:30 pm

...about those questions

There's

50/50
Phone a Friend
Ask the Audience
Make it all Up

take your pick.

3. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166988 by clodhopper on April 23, 2008 at 2:27 pm

ID: You are hilarious aren't you aren't you. stste flbgy gheib bnfli

now then, about epeeists questions?

4. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166970 by clodhopper on April 23, 2008 at 2:17 pm

We must all remember that TTID's stated aim here is to educate us. He is doing fine because we have all learned....we have all learned....er....we have all...er

Wait a sec, what have we learned?

5. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166918 by clodhopper on April 23, 2008 at 1:41 pm

ID: Try one.

Is the principle of the seperation of church and state:

a) Extremely Important
b) Quite Important
c) Not Very Important
d) Of No Importance

6. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166908 by clodhopper on April 23, 2008 at 1:37 pm

ID: Would it make it easier for you if we asked multiple choice questions?

7. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166906 by clodhopper on April 23, 2008 at 1:36 pm

"Our luquacity is almost ineffecient when viewed next to Diacanu's terse and trenchant responses"

Indeed. And his generosity is exceeded only by his personal beauty and charm.

8. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166899 by clodhopper on April 23, 2008 at 1:33 pm

Anyone?

Nope. Your turn.

9. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166880 by clodhopper on April 23, 2008 at 1:24 pm

Fortunately ID, every day, thousands of ID'ers are coming to realise that they've been sold a pack of lies, duped, used, exploited. Soon there will be very few of them left except maybe you.

10. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166867 by clodhopper on April 23, 2008 at 1:16 pm

ID: Would you prefer your cancer to be diagnosed by a doctor with a set of rhunes or a doctor with a CT scanner?

What are your beliefs? Getting tired of asking. It's not a difficult question is it?

11. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166859 by clodhopper on April 23, 2008 at 1:10 pm

Quine: The irony is that dumski is proving for us that ID can never be science. Nice of him don't you think?

12. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166842 by clodhopper on April 23, 2008 at 1:00 pm

ID: What spiritual beliefs?

13. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166822 by clodhopper on April 23, 2008 at 12:49 pm

ID: "My spiritual beliefs have nothing to do with scientific fact."

Well stop pussyfootling around and spell out what your beliefs are. Too scared to do that?

14. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166810 by clodhopper on April 23, 2008 at 12:42 pm

Ah but dumsky thinks that asking for proof of ID is also a category error.....

"But what about the predictive power of intelligent design? To require prediction fundamentally misconstrues design. To require prediction of design is to put design in the same boat as natural laws, locating their explanatory power in an extrapolation from past experience. This is to commit a category mistake. To be sure, designers, like natural laws, can behave predictably (designers often institute policies that end up being rigidly obeyed). Yet unlike natural laws, which are universal and uniform, designers are also innovators. Innovation, the emergence to true novelty, eschews predictability. Designers are inventors. We cannot predict what an inventor would do short of becoming that inventor. Intelligent design offers a radically different problematic for science than a mechanistic science wedded solely to undirected natural causes. Yes, intelligent design concedes predictability. But this represents no concession to Darwinism, for which the minimal predictive power that it has can readily be assimilated to a design-theoretic framework."

we stuffed then?

15. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166784 by clodhopper on April 23, 2008 at 12:30 pm

Greybishop: "Aside from being way, way off topic, it's been entertaining."

Off Topic. This? Try the Fleabytes thread, it's so far off it's on.

16. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166779 by clodhopper on April 23, 2008 at 12:27 pm

epee: "nobody seems to be pressing them particularly hard"

no fair man. If I exert any more newtons I'll die!

17. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166768 by clodhopper on April 23, 2008 at 12:21 pm

ID: "You can't even explain how life originated in the first place."

Working on it.

Please give me an answer to the above.

edit: as it's no longer above here it is again:
Your earlier statement implied a universal source of morality. How are the moral imperatives required by this revealed to us. I want the mechanism.

18. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166764 by clodhopper on April 23, 2008 at 12:18 pm

ID: OK here is another one maybe you will condescend to look at. Honestly, getting blood out of a stone is much easier!

Your earlier statement implied a universal source of morality. How are the moral imperatives required by this revealed to us. I want the mechanism.

19. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166753 by clodhopper on April 23, 2008 at 12:09 pm

ID "but you know deep down what causes you to respond in this way."

Yes, it's utterly simple, you won't answer our very reasonable questions.

Start with Diacanu's if you want. That was a simple one.

20. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166737 by clodhopper on April 23, 2008 at 12:01 pm

ID: "Are not all standards of morality based on some universal belief."

No.

C'mon man, your inadequacy is showing! Have the courage of your convictions and stand up for the designer you believe in. Above all, answer the questions and stop hiding and dithering about!

21. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166686 by clodhopper on April 23, 2008 at 11:32 am

There are serious child protection concerns related to unfounded belief. If you truly are interested in protecting children you would be well advised to examine the horrific abuse, both physical and mental, meted out to children over the centuries and now, in the name of some designer or other.

I'll ask again. Does your designer have a name?

22. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166657 by clodhopper on April 23, 2008 at 11:18 am

ID "I'm trying to help and educate you."

If that's what you are doing, why will you not engage with epeeist's questions? They are basic to this discussion. A serious attempt by you to answer them would therefore enlighten us further.

23. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166648 by clodhopper on April 23, 2008 at 11:14 am

ID: "No accountability. Why not? We are here by chance with no pupose."

Well, to whom are we then accountable?

24. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166636 by clodhopper on April 23, 2008 at 11:00 am

ID: In your opinion, has humanity now correctly identified and named the designer?

25. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166622 by clodhopper on April 23, 2008 at 10:49 am

ID: You seem to be stuck with the assumption that there are some parts of the human body that should not be used.

26. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166600 by clodhopper on April 23, 2008 at 10:30 am

ID: More prevarication. What is it you don't understand about the request to answer the questions you've been posed by epeeist?

27. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166591 by clodhopper on April 23, 2008 at 10:20 am

ID: I would also like to know if the Higgs Boson is unislamic?

28. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166585 by clodhopper on April 23, 2008 at 10:16 am

ID: Mind boggling irrelevancy. Please answer the questions above.

29. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166578 by clodhopper on April 23, 2008 at 10:08 am

Oh, I have problems with grammar too. I still can't use my colon correctly although ID has given me an idea.

30. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166572 by clodhopper on April 23, 2008 at 10:03 am

ID: Can you please spell out the consequences of not believing in a designer? Short and long term please.

31. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166558 by clodhopper on April 23, 2008 at 9:54 am

ID: "I'm hopeless?"

Correct.

What do you hope to achieve by continuing?

32. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166549 by clodhopper on April 23, 2008 at 9:51 am

Comment #166493 by TheTruthID

All of this back and forth gibberish.

They will not accept any supernatural laws for the explanation...

33. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #165979 by clodhopper on April 22, 2008 at 4:32 pm

Oh God. You don't get Next if you're already on the last page do you.....der

*face* *palm* *smack* *tea* *bed*

nite all

34. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #165976 by clodhopper on April 22, 2008 at 4:28 pm

Keith: You're a pudlyist!

Is Josh tinkering or is it my PC? Where's 'Next' gone. Why if I click on newest comments does IE crash? Why are we all here? What is the colour of irritation? Why won't my Exma leave me alone like other exes do?

(I know, I know, *goes to bed*)

35. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #165948 by clodhopper on April 22, 2008 at 4:02 pm

fewmenchew: You're appeals to emotion are all very charming and your beliefs no skin off our noses, unless, that is, the god you believe in wants to take the skin off our noses.

Or will he just send us all to burn for eternity?

36. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #165940 by clodhopper on April 22, 2008 at 3:55 pm

Alright then. 3 newcomers approach the pearly gates. St P asks for symbols of devotion from each.

1st man pulls out a candle "it represents the light of the world"
2nd man a butterfly "the wonders of nature"
3rd man takes grubby pair of knickers from pocket.
St Peter: "WTF is that supposed to represent"?

"They're Carols

37. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #165927 by clodhopper on April 22, 2008 at 3:40 pm

What's going on? Are we being attacked by DDossers?

38. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #165871 by clodhopper on April 22, 2008 at 1:48 pm

foo: Is there any particular reason I might love my son less because I acknowledge the process of evolution as a biological reality?

39. If God Is Dead, Who Gets His House?

Comment #165661 by clodhopper on April 22, 2008 at 2:06 am

Atheist : Church

Fish : Bicycle

40. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #165503 by clodhopper on April 21, 2008 at 2:28 pm

epee: Srsly, Congratulations! I bet it took several units of alcohol to counteract all that adrenalin!

Off Topic: Dan Dennet was one of Andrew Marr's guests on start the week this morning. Good stuff. R4 listen again etc.

41. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #165496 by clodhopper on April 21, 2008 at 2:19 pm

Do it because everyone on this planet is stuffed if you don't.


.....oh, that's right, you don't care, you're saved already.

42. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #165488 by clodhopper on April 21, 2008 at 2:07 pm

epee: you're a bit chuffed about that, aren't you?

43. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #165485 by clodhopper on April 21, 2008 at 2:04 pm

ID; If you want, you can skip this phase and move on directly to the scripture quotes and threats. It will save a lot of time.

44. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #165482 by clodhopper on April 21, 2008 at 2:01 pm

ID: continue this dialouge?

you can't be serious!!! Answer the questions.

ps...it's dialogue...

45. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #165473 by clodhopper on April 21, 2008 at 1:55 pm

Sorities Paradox.

When is a heap not a heap?

When is a drunk not a drunk?

ad hic?

46. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #165463 by clodhopper on April 21, 2008 at 1:46 pm

Please include the references to peer reviewed scientific findings published.

47. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #165452 by clodhopper on April 21, 2008 at 1:37 pm

Robertson: Tell me you're going to retract that despicable post.

48. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #165447 by clodhopper on April 21, 2008 at 1:36 pm

ID: "I have open ears."

Please add filtered. Answer the questions!

49. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #165335 by clodhopper on April 21, 2008 at 11:05 am

Comment #165316 by navyjake95

I sat in a crowded Theater last night, and listened as the entire crowd "snickered" at Dawkins

50. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #165296 by clodhopper on April 21, 2008 at 10:00 am

Steve: Don't let it get to you. It's just that some humans are (like the starfish and sea urchins) evolving to a simpler form that have no need of a brain.

Luckily we will not be able to mate with them (perish the thought).