1. Secret Swami - About Sai Baba

Comment #96304 by mcsekar on December 10, 2007 at 10:32 am

Samsayananda

Dear Sekar,

Baba is a thug , he has killed many people, he has all politicians in his pocket. See the following website to learn about this hoodlum:

http://home.hetnet.nl/~ex-baba/english.html

Follow all the links.All Indian gurus are cheats. There are no exceptions.

Ok, I read through some of the links. And I realise now that the Baba really is a pedophile. This is horrible. Did any of you know that my cousin used to have darshan of the Baba for some 6 years or so, when he studied in the Baba's school? I do not know if he had ever had any private interviews. I can't even think about it or ask him. I told my aunt not to send him to that school, she never listened because I was myself a school kid then. I feel great anger towards this black-haired 80 year old pedophile. I guess I realise what that family in the documentary felt. My apologies for my stupidity and gross insensitivity.
As for him being a cheat and a smuggler, I knew that since long ago. I just thought he was not a pedophile. This monster will be brought down by accusations of pedophilia only if he is arrested in some other country. Hope some other country does that when he leaves India. Must put in charges of treason+terrorism or murder, if he is to be arrested in India.

2. Secret Swami - About Sai Baba

Comment #95270 by mcsekar on December 7, 2007 at 8:02 pm

BaronOchs wrote

mint_tea I am lost for words over mcsekhar's post, he basically says "my conspiracy theory is so evidently plausible I'm not going to subject it to the actual evidence presented in the documentary that these allegations are true!

So much for caring about evidence, or perhaps he/she still has some lingering resistance to admitting supposed godmen are all too human?"

I believe the Baba is a fraud for the simple reason that humans can't perform miracles. I believe he is a smuggler. (Someone else told me that he was a smuggler) I wrote this at the beginning of my earlier comment. I believed in this long before these allegations of sexual abuse surfaced, and before he was revealed to be a low-class magician in that documentary.
In my comment I did say that those allegations could be true. But are they really? I don't really believe in them. Let me explain a little more. I read more about these allegations on the internet. I find them difficult to believe because it seemed odd to me that these allegations should first crop up from some foreigners. If he has abused as many as has been alleged on the internet, surely many others should have been molested over several years. And the Rahm family would not have been the first. The Baba would have started molesting his Indian devotees long ago. And I never even heard whispers or gossip of such incidents earlier. And if I heard that he is a smuggler, I bet I would have heard that he has a fondness for young boys. And these allegations make it the sensational news that would be lapped up by the Western media. Add to it the Catholic priests(they are sort of like Indian Babas) sorry story. All of it seemed too right to be true. Hence, I said that it was like a conspiracy theory. I can be accused of not believing in the actual evidence, but if I am to be rational and use reason and weigh all odds, then I find the evidence in this context to be untrustworthy. As I said, exposing his cheap parlour tricks and bringing in charges of smuggling+treason would have been more practical, useful and believable. And Indian politicians would have thought it was a godsend.

mint_tea wrote

I agree with mcsekhar, who makes many superb points.

Obviously, the sexual molestation charges against Sai Baba are all part of a conspiracy. Much like the conspiracy of sexual abuse survivors against the Catholic Church - the fact that so many people have similiar stories of molestation only proves this is a conspiracy.

The Rahm family may have been earnest devotees of the Sai Baba for years, but I choose not to listen to them, or to believe the allegations of their handsome, strapping son.

Somehow it just makes more sense that this is all a conspiracy.

I was myself surprised when I read this comment, because I did not think anyone would believe in my childish conspiracy theory. When I outlined a conspiracy theory, I did not do it for the benefit of the Baba. I did it because I thought people were going about the wrong way in debunking his godhood and the theory seems fun and true. Not because I believe he is a God. I thought of that theory for the reasons I hope I have explained better in this comment. Certainly, I do not want more people to believe in the Baba. Bring him down if it can be done.

3. Secret Swami - About Sai Baba

Comment #95009 by mcsekar on December 7, 2007 at 6:53 am

I haven't watched the video, but I have believed since a few years that the Baba is a fraud and a smuggler. As to the allegations of sexual abuse, I find those difficult to believe. I think I will tell another side of the story, which the BBC, I assume has neglected with its concentration on the issue of sexual abuse, because I think that will be believed more and will sell well in the West.
Pardon me, this might be long.

Well, what can I say about Sathya Sai Baba? He lives in my state. And the place he was born is close to my mother's village. He has done some good things, like building reservoirs and providing drinking water and free medical services and education to a parched land in the state of Andhra Pradesh in India. I have heard stories that he is a smuggler. And any rational person knows he is a fraud.

Now, I know people scoff and laugh at the concept that he is a God, but you must realise that this happens in India. Even if he does a few bad things, I don't know if I will start a campaign against him now, because believe me, no campaign against him will work. In India, the law won't touch him. Perhaps when he visits some other country, that country's law enforcement might catch him, but that will create a huge diplomatic outcry, and nations have stopped law enforcement for lesser reasons.

One point to mention is that very few people in the villages near where he lives have faith in him. I know this because I have asked some people who live there and they said so. They are happy that someone has given them a continuous supply of drinking water, but in his godhood they believe not. They still believe in the other old standard Gods of Hinduism. It will take atleast a century for this Baba to be established as a God. But, these people do give him a certain respect.

Here is the interesting part, the conspiracy theory. Now, coming to these allegations of sexual abuse, I think it is a clever plan by some group or individual to disrobe the Baba. (These allegations could be true.) Let's call this group or individual X. I believe that X is doing a noble job, but X's efforts are futile and will not give any results. It is a fair assumption to say that X is from India. Now, India won't act against the Baba. So, X has no choice but to seek outside help in destroying the Baba. Some fools from other countries too believed in the Baba, even though they had their own God. Isn't that odd? Why come all the way to India to believe in someone who you know can only be a fraud? So, X decides that the Baba might be brought down by these people if the Baba sexually abused them, because it is far more heinous than smuggling. For a God that is. And that was also how the Catholic priestly order lost their credibility. It is a clever plan, but it won't work in India. X should have stuck to smuggling and added treason for a little extra flavour. Then, the Baba could have been killed in the name of terrorism by someone like Indira Gandhi and it would have worked. Still, I wish X good luck and hope X succeeds.

In the end, I would say that the Baba has more than one side to him. He has done some evil things, and he has helped poor people and he is a fraud. Now judge him yourself. We are all aware of several people who have done even worse things, and yet we elect them to office. So, I feel it is strange, when the Baba is being brought down, but not the politicians. But still, bring down the Baba! The poeple of India have other old Gods, and don't need any Babas. And they will survive even if the Baba does not help them.