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1. Saving Us from Darwin

Comment #192349 by theantitheist on June 12, 2008 at 8:17 pm

Great article, when will ID die? probably 2 seconds before they bring out it's replacement that will once again try to smother the science

2. Mail-boat record 'proves Darwin stole his original ideas from a Welsh scientist'

Comment #185445 by theantitheist on May 27, 2008 at 8:19 pm

All i really know about this is from Carl Sagans "Forgotten Ancestors".

He writes that Wallace and Darwin had a lot of respect for each other. I would not have respect for someone who ripped off my work and i'm sure Wallace would not either. They were both Gentleman and pioneers and have my respect.

I know people are joking about Darwinism vs Wallaceism, but it just brings back memorys of that devastating Cat war between Cloister and Clistor. (One for the Red Dwarf anorakes)

3. Geeks and Guinness: the formula for sexy science

Comment #182662 by theantitheist on May 20, 2008 at 7:36 pm

Not got one in Brisbane, might have to contact the Cafe lot and see if we can get one up and running as only Melbourne has one in Oz.

Anyone in Brisbane who'd also be interested?

4. Teenager faces prosecution for calling Scientology 'cult'

Comment #182586 by theantitheist on May 20, 2008 at 3:08 pm

I seriously doubt this kid needs a lawyer, and if he does i'm sure one that is cheap enough to afford on pocket money will be sufficient.

I'm in Oz at the moment and there has been several protests recently (part of the same movement i believe) and no problems like this.

5. Brown says embryo research is key to life

Comment #181883 by theantitheist on May 18, 2008 at 3:14 pm

Bloody Ruth ' Opus Deis' Kelly. She is a pain in the arse, i've never had a major problem with Brown and this improves my opinion of him. He's to intelligent to be taken in with all the religious bullshit but nods his head to it in the general fashion needed by a leader. Be better if he did call it bullshit but that's politics.

6. UC Berkeley is going to court over Evolution website

Comment #180694 by theantitheist on May 15, 2008 at 3:05 pm

You'd need to be really fucking deluded if you think you could win that legal battle. What prats.

7. Vatican: It's OK to believe in aliens

Comment #179749 by theantitheist on May 13, 2008 at 4:08 pm

Ahh i think i've got it. god is all powerful and is of course all shapes and sizes and no shape or size. Sooooo by saying we are made in his image because of the 'he is everything ruling' we are technically made in his/her/it's image as is everything else including the Klingons (original and next generation) and SuperTed.

Fuking obvious really i feel a bit daft for not putting it together earlier.

8. Vatican: It's OK to believe in aliens

Comment #179734 by theantitheist on May 13, 2008 at 3:28 pm

Darth Ratzinger vs Yodagod

Interesting match up. We all know who wins this one in the short term. But long term yoda will always be there spying in and hugging Jesus Waterwalker. I'm going home now and putting Star Wars on, i've gone all nostalgic.

9. Vatican: It's OK to believe in aliens

Comment #179719 by theantitheist on May 13, 2008 at 3:02 pm

Did he also make them in his image?

I can believe Jesus was a white man from Oxford but does god look like Yoda?

Ah Adam and Eve you are, tree of knowledge forbidden is it!

On a serious note it fucking annoys me that there now trying to move into areas that logic and rationalism own and that they have previously ridiculed. And they will also try to claim the credit if we ever find them. (Yes i believe that statistically there has to be life outside of earth but no real hope of finding them in the next 10,000 years.)

10. Pat Condell: Anthology DVD available now!

Comment #173507 by theantitheist on April 30, 2008 at 8:23 pm

Rameses,

Thanks for writing that, it saves me the time and effort. Complete agreement with you.

Pat Condoll always reminds me of the British TV guy out of V for Vengance, so in love with himself and inspiring negative views against a group. Replace his use of the word muslim with niggers (only using that to emphasize the point)and you see my point. He promotes them and us in a very negative and unhelpful way.

11. Science leads to killing people

Comment #170809 by theantitheist on April 28, 2008 at 3:33 am

I believe that the antidote to this sickness is Carl Sagan's writing.

Please if there is anyone out there who is rich enough to buy and distribute either the entire Billions & Billions or at least the relevant chapters of it, to every person who comes out from watching this film nodding theirs heads, please do it.

The current 'four horsemen' write and argue against this crap in their own interesting ways but to rebuke the shitte this dickhead is talking to the uneducated and/or brainwashed needs his simple beautiful writing.

(Not saying the four can't just saying that i believe Carl would enlighten a higher percentage)

As for

Here's another vomit-worthy link, by the way: http://powercut.blogspot.com/2007/09/richard-dawkins-diary-entry.html I stumbled on it by accident and can't think of a thing to say, it's so vile.)


I actually thought the piece was quite funny, as for the comments below it it's amazing the smugness is almost blinding, had to turn down my brightness factor of my screen! They are wierd little fuckers arn't they.

12. Responses to 'Gods and Earthlings' by Richard Dawkins

Comment #165923 by theantitheist on April 22, 2008 at 3:31 pm

Naranja,

Not funny.

Grumble brumble bloody chealsea grumble grumble

(Oh and those letters can be referred to the appropriate discussions in this site)

13. If God Is Dead, Who Gets His House?

Comment #165610 by theantitheist on April 21, 2008 at 9:09 pm

Careful people if we start becoming a self defined group it may all go wrong.

Look at the gays! 100 years ago they were small individuals, now there communities that want to 1) Destroy the family 2) Cause Earthquakes in Iran 3) Cause the Easter Bunny to allow American Soldiers to be killed overseas 4) Remove Morals from everyday life and 5) Bring about the apocolypse. AND this is all just in their spare time!!! A bigger target attracts more mud, so why make a movement out of it when we can slowly just enlighten future generations (as it seems to be working)

For the same reason why Sam Harris wants to get rid of the label Atheist, lets not try to define ourselves by our disbeliefs. It's just ridicoulous and I am sure 99% of rational people would take a step back from this.

14. The Child Preachers

Comment #164311 by theantitheist on April 20, 2008 at 3:29 am

The earlier and more successful the indoctrination is, the harder it is is to cure the patient of the disease.

I agree a lot with Santi and Styler (though they both argue opposite but similar corners) but i think the key point here is that the use of brainwashing is wide spread, popular and successful. If one or two escape this and are unharmed and benefit from the skills learned great. But what about the one's who don't are we to get the weight measures out and balance this up? My mind goes back to 1984. They learn INGSOC and can not go back. That top me may not be child abuse as you are not harming the child (as such) but it is human abuse as they will forever not reach the potential that they could have.

15. Evolution: 24 myths and misconceptions

Comment #163005 by theantitheist on April 17, 2008 at 8:00 pm

Remember the wonder you felt when you first started to understand evolution?


Must say that i was bored about it, i was learning all the science stuff in school and you just tend to learn it and get on it with it.

I think this is why it's so important to keep ID out of the classroom. If i'd had mixed signals maybe i'd have been more resistant to it rather then just accept it as fact (I know this runs in parrallel with indoctrination but..). In the same way i've never checked how accurate WWII was, it was presented as fact and i have had no reason since to challange the fundamental facts.

16. School bars same-sex partners at formals

Comment #161880 by theantitheist on April 15, 2008 at 8:07 pm

Cartomancer, Yup brown bag with a piece of paper that's the way it's done in England and it makes life a lot simpler. No getting dressed up and being fancy, just head down the bottom of the road to the local to celebrate with a couple of jars.

However back to topic, i'm straight so the rest is assumptions. Coming out as gay and taking a boy to the "Formal" is not a very cool thing to do and as such would not be something a lad would do for laugh? I mean some might bleach there hair or go with a mohican (hair style not race) but if the've gone so far with this surly the've realised that yes i'm gay and i'm not going to hide it?

So to some up, this rule is not going to make even one lad go "oh hello thank you school for making me go with a girl, i'm over that wanting to be gay thing now" ......... or is it?

17. Victims: Pope Benedict Protects Accused Pedophile Bishops

Comment #161732 by theantitheist on April 15, 2008 at 2:44 pm

Hey,

Can one of us (not me though i'm busy) run for leader in what ever country your in and then once you're in denounce the church and list it as a criminal empire??

Surely someone out there has some spare time to do this?

18. Expelled producers accused of copyright infringement

Comment #158467 by theantitheist on April 10, 2008 at 3:01 pm

Does anyone have Yoko Ono's mobile no.?? Need to give her a heads up over this.

As for the Killers, i'm pretty sure that in an article i read on them they were pretty into the whole God thing so they might just let this one pass (but who knows they might take a stand, anyone have there mobile no. handy???)

19. 'Darwin chip' brings evolution into the classroom

Comment #157830 by theantitheist on April 9, 2008 at 3:19 pm

This is going to confuse the majority of simple religous folk and there responce will be.

Duh??

how do you explain why a do good thing then??

fantastic stuff, but it ain't going to change one mind of a believer.

20. German Church admits aiding Nazis

Comment #157821 by theantitheist on April 9, 2008 at 3:10 pm

Duff man Al,

That made me laugh, I think that that kind of sums it up.

What is the problem with Christians getting themselves killed to stop bad things happening? They go to heaven where they get free sweetys and a harp (or if there into fishing, carp (sorry that's fucking shocking)).

Maybe this complete and utter belief is not so 'complete' and not so 'utter'.

But let's face it they might admit to being or helping the nazi's but admitting that they might be wrong above the bit cat in the clouds? doubt it.

21. Cult leader Pyotr Kuznetsov tries suicide after realising he was wrong about doomsday

Comment #156123 by theantitheist on April 6, 2008 at 9:30 pm

To be fair to the people who used dark humour regarding this article, it was Piss funny.

I mean a fucking log.

I imagine Homer to try to kill himself in this way. Doh!!

22. Faith healing church parents charged over toddler's death

Comment #154919 by theantitheist on April 4, 2008 at 1:28 am

Sweatypalmsunday,

Don't be daft. No need to change your name and come back anew, Dune0101 battered me about a bit and there are always people on here who will challange you and not let you have an easy ride of anything.

In fact the 'clear thinking oasis' is a bit misleading. It's often very muddy waters oasis.


Let's face it if an opinion can't stand much of a kicking it's not much of an opinion.

Welcome aboard.

23. Upside-down church sculpture on hit list

Comment #154855 by theantitheist on April 3, 2008 at 8:20 pm

I'm going to go against the grain here and say i like it.

Maybe not ideal location but i can't tell that from the pictures.

25. Thy will be done

Comment #154174 by theantitheist on April 2, 2008 at 7:44 pm

it wasn't a complete success as half the Labour councillors walked out - one falling over in her enthusiasm to leave.


Well i'm definatly voting Labour again, seems that they have there heads screwed on more then the Conservatives.

26. BBC 'too scared to allow jokes about Islam'

Comment #154169 by theantitheist on April 2, 2008 at 7:40 pm

Shuggey,

I think you've just yourself out of a lot of cash. Imam Ted sounds like a brilliant idea that should be taken up IMMEDIATLY. Come on Channel 4, sort it out.

27. Faith healing church parents charged over toddler's death

Comment #154164 by theantitheist on April 2, 2008 at 7:29 pm

Dune010,

I wrote out a big long email then had It wiped because I took to long, bugger.

Serves me right for doing it, whilst also trying to get other work out the door.

Thanks for your analogy with the stem cells, that helped me to see where your coming from and why we should be free to discuss things no matter if certain people disagree on an absolute level. The principle to able to ask WHY is also essential as it is one of the most important questions around.

Certain things do need to be discussed very carefully however. I'm sure the 'Doctors' in Nazi Germany felt that they were benefitting humanity in there experimentations. Those experimentations started in discussion which was nothing more then logical and rational I'm sure.

The main reason why I called Palmsunday into question with the whole 'if you can't understand why society does not tolerate it, it is out of your league' was that if he cannot see why it is not allowed in society (I intentionally did not use the word 'wrong' this time) after careful thought then I doubt he has the capacity for the cold hard logic. It would seem he understands it on a gut level as do 99% of us and I will leave it to the philosophers/ intellects and scientists out there to ponder on the why we have developed as a species and a civilization to term it 'immoral' and make it illegal.

I agree that we do not necessarily need to be afraid of the slippery slope and that we can draw lines for ourselves and society. Indeed this is what happened in Roe vs Wade, thanks to people asking the difficult questions and weighing up two sides which are both valid.

Carry on with the discussion but I advise you against simply using rational and logical thinking. As Dawkins himself says (paraphrasing), the selfish gene 'element' is a part of us, but we struggle against it. (or something along those line, you all know what I mean). Being logical and rational takes all the fun out of life, sometimes you need to lead with your gut and not your head.

I'm with Afraidtodie on this other point, you all seem to be arguing a point you don't believe in for the sake of the principle of discussion.

28. Faith healing church parents charged over toddler's death

Comment #154091 by theantitheist on April 2, 2008 at 3:26 pm

Dune,

Oh dear.

theantitheist, first you accuse SweatyPalm Sunday of being unfit for this debate and then you say this:

If you really can't see why Infanticide is morally and legally wrong then it's fair to say it's out of your league, in the same way that i have trouble understanding Atomic logic puts it out of my leaugue.


Morally and legally wrong?

First, I would ask you to define morality. I'm going to assume that you do not accept absolute morality in the same way as the theists do, but if you do then I would like to know what you use as a basis for it.

If morality is not absolute, then it is well worth considering these issues. This is aimed at all of you who have been dismissive of this discussion, such as you, FightingFalcon. Why should we just assume that what we have grown to accept as socialy (or "morally") unacceptable is so? Is this much different from those who just accept the teachings of the Bible of the Qur'an? It is important to question our assumptions. Most of us are happy to live in a world where foetuses are aborted and pigs are killed for food. Tell me, why is killing babies worse? As I have said, I consider the necessary distinction to be a social issue. But to simply dismiss this all as abhorrent or absurd is, to my mind, quite childish.

As for "legally wrong" theantitheist, what does that even mean? The law is based on practicality and often a variety of "moral" judgements. If nobody attempts to justify moral positions, then how can we trust the law as a justification? If you want to argue that infanticide is a practical error then I agree.

theantitheist, you say that this issue is out of SweatyPalmSunday's league. How can you know this unless it is within your league? If you claim to know that it is out of his league but do not think that you are worthy either then I would suggest that you are in no position to judge the situation. If you do think that you are worthy of addressing the issue then please tell me why killing babies is "morally" wrong, while killing certain other animals is not. If you believe all killing to be "morally" wrong then I would still appreciate a justification for this belief.

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Legally wrong because society i.e. where we are a civilisation today has agreed to set a standard based on there deemed morals. I think we can agree on that?

Of course the definition of moral and where we all set it differ and yes, the fine lines need to be moved, redrawn and moved again.

BUT

We have talked about why did we need the Ten Commandments and that humans knew before then that murder etc. was wrong before on this site. There are certain things that are no where near the grey fuzzy area that need to be defined and discussed. Necrophilia?? Canabilissim?? Shall we start to discuss these and decide if we can eat a finger or not, what if they died from a heart attack are we allowed to have sex with the corpse then eat it?? No. Certain things are wrong no matter how you look at it in todays society. (Though i can see this will open up the tribes of Papua New Guinea etc.)

Oh sod it i've drawn my line and i can see that there can always be a 'devils advocate' right to reply. And I hope this is all this is.

29. Faith healing church parents charged over toddler's death

Comment #153751 by theantitheist on April 2, 2008 at 1:43 am


SweatyPalmSunday

think about it yourself in a rational manner...or maybe just realise this topic is out of your league



I think that comment was a bit unnecessarily belittling (especially coming from someone who's league apparently does not involve proper spelling). Please review my previous posts; I do not think I was being irrational, I was simply raising a question.


If you really can't see why Infanticide is morally and legally wrong then it's fair to say it's out of your league, in the same way that i have trouble understanding Atomic logic puts it out of my leaugue.

Oh and cheers for highlighting my dislexia!! (only kidding) just can't be arsed putting things right have the time as i type pretty fast.

30. Who wants to kill the elderly?

Comment #153686 by theantitheist on April 1, 2008 at 8:36 pm

Hey the more people writting on our side the better. We need the wissy washy as well as the "shrill" militants.

More the better in my book.

31. Faith healing church parents charged over toddler's death

Comment #153682 by theantitheist on April 1, 2008 at 8:24 pm

Just read a bit more of palmonsunday (Wierd name even for this site)

Pro choice is a propoganda name (same as pro life) and came about for the abortion debate. It was not meant to carry over into Post Birth or you can choose to kill anyboby. Society has laws to stop you harming others and i'm convinced even 1 day old babies are classified as 'others' (though not in the Lost sense).

Read Sagan with a cold beer on a comfy seat and think about it yourself in a rational manner, if you can't come up with an answer that satisfys you, maybe talk to others or maybe just realise this topic is out of your league.

32. Faith healing church parents charged over toddler's death

Comment #153680 by theantitheist on April 1, 2008 at 8:11 pm

22. Comment #153436 by Gymnopedie on April 1, 2008 at 1:17 pm

Sagan was one of the most eloquent defenders of reason when it came to abortion. Now, I can't recall whether he talked about it in "Billions and Billions," or "Dragons of Eden." Maybe it was somewhere else. But if you haven't read all of Sagan's works, you are hardly a skeptic, are you!? Haha...


It's in billions and billions and is written toghether with a lass who i can't remember off hand. It is however a fantastic article and takes the pro life and pro choice names apart as 99% of people are both.

Essential reading for anyone who has adopted one view over the other. A very rational man he was.

33. Police: Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help

Comment #150967 by theantitheist on March 27, 2008 at 8:28 pm

When you bring this to religious peoples attention they get upset that you're trying to disparage prayer. Not upset about the death. Atheists vs religous who's the more humane?

34. Happy Birthday, Richard Dawkins!

Comment #150965 by theantitheist on March 27, 2008 at 8:17 pm

Hope you got some good pressies from the other three horse men! Maybe a new horse or a cloak or somthing??

Happy Birthday

35. Wicked untruths from the Church

Comment #149593 by theantitheist on March 26, 2008 at 1:31 am

But what if the personal conscience is being advised by the Muslim, Scientology, Mormon, Saturn worshipping faiths?

I presume his holiness will be okay with this??

36. The Secular Conscience

Comment #147139 by theantitheist on March 19, 2008 at 11:10 pm

I'll definatly get this book to read but on a completley unrelated subject i want to encourage everyone to read their bible.

This is funny funny shit. I have no idea how long it must have taken some stoned Rasta but check it out THE RASTAFARIAN BIBLE. WROTE IN RASTA!!! It's the whole friggin bible!!

Check it out you will not regret it.

http://www.lolcatbible.com/index.php?title=Genesis_1

All hail the Ceiling Cat!!

37. Atheists claim censorship by billboard company

Comment #146965 by theantitheist on March 19, 2008 at 3:32 pm

Atheists are rational, logical, and even-handed.


Any libertarian or fiscal conservative would have arrived at the same conclusion, you know. I think it's the frequent self-congratulation of us atheists that turns people off more than anything


Atheist are not all the same, there are actually some very stupid, disagreeable and obtuse people out there who don't agree with religion or believe in anything. To paraphrase Dawkins "Not everyone who has a beard is the fucking same, and what has having a beard got to do with the price of fish anyway""

38. Sci-fi guru Clarke to have secular funeral

Comment #146953 by theantitheist on March 19, 2008 at 3:20 pm

Not at all,

I've very specifically told my Brother he is allowed to squirt any doing anything religous at my cremation with a water cannon filled with piss (hopefully i will have been able to leave a sample, as that would be a great touch). However i'm considering borrowing one of the suggestions on here that the funeral pyre is on top of my brothers car, in which case he will probably use the water cannon to put out the flames.

39. They prayed to cast Satan from my body

Comment #146934 by theantitheist on March 19, 2008 at 3:03 pm

Bigorra,

Fuck me if that nail did not get hit on the head by Thors hammer (which is a big fucking hammer).

i.e. spot on

40. Atheists claim censorship by billboard company

Comment #146239 by theantitheist on March 18, 2008 at 8:02 pm

82abhilash

We're able to way up both sides of an arguement because we are free to do so. We won't go to hell for failing to back up the side were told to.

The company has stated that they wish to avoid controversy and whilst I do not respect thier position they are a company and not an individual. They have to make practical decisions and at least they have given their reasons.

41. Writer Arthur C Clarke dies at 90

Comment #146198 by theantitheist on March 18, 2008 at 6:29 pm

Condolences to his family at this time.

I have read many of his books and seen several in film and have enjoyed them all immensely.

Every time I hear Coldplays clocks it actually reminds me of one of his books.

Any one like to comment on which book or part of therein they enjoyed the most? or any aspects of this mans works that they would like to share?

42. They prayed to cast Satan from my body

Comment #146061 by theantitheist on March 18, 2008 at 2:49 pm

I read Mercy Ministrys responce online

Mercy Ministries Australia has been surprised at recent media articles which reported a range of inaccuracies about our program.

Mercy Ministries Australia was founded in 2000 as a Christian based charity. We offer a 6 month residential program for young women who are battling life-controlling issues such as eating disorders, self harm, abuse, depression and anxiety.

Prior to entering a Mercy Ministries' Home, all young women are made aware of the details of the program. This allows them to make an informed decision before their entry into the program.

As a Christian based charity, we provide a holistic, client-focused approach, addressing physical, emotional and spiritual needs. We also provide access to specialised services including general practitioners, dieticians, psychiatrists and psychologists. Our counselling staff are carefully recruited, hold government accredited tertiary qualifications and continue ongoing professional development.

Our program is voluntary and young women may choose to leave the program at any time. We aim to provide a safe environment where young women can deal with serious and debilitating issues that affect their health and wellbeing.

Mercy Ministries Australia is funded largely through the generosity of private donations, fundraising activities and corporate sponsorships. The program is offered free of charge to all applicants. We work closely with Centrelink and where a young woman is eligible for Centrelink benefits, this amount goes a small way towards providing 24 hour care, 7 days a week.


Mercy Ministries Australia has received overwhelming positive feedback from supporters, graduates, their family members and members of the community.

We remain committed to offering an outstanding service to young women, being open and transparent in all we do and focusing on our mission - to transform lives and restore hope to young women.

Peter Irvine
Director, Mercy Ministries Australia



Further to this i've sent a follow up email to them

Dear Sir/ Madam,

Your recent media exposure has brought a lot of attention to your programme and it was due to this that I have read your responce.

The article in the SMH suggests that your staff do not hold any pychology degrees or have expert training (by which I mean a recognised associated status).

Your responce disputes this stating that your staff hold accredited tertiary qualifications. Can you please advise what qualifications and how many staff hold them. Can you also give an approximation in percentage terms of how much of your funds are spent on general practitioners, dieticians, psychiatrists and psychologists.

Regards

Leon Andrews


Wonder if i'll get a responce

43. They prayed to cast Satan from my body

Comment #146055 by theantitheist on March 18, 2008 at 2:34 pm

There seems to be a bit of dirt between Gloria Jeans and Mercy Ministry. Methinks that a quick link to this discussion should be sent to the SMH. They can look into these coincidences a bit more.

44. They prayed to cast Satan from my body

Comment #145735 by theantitheist on March 18, 2008 at 4:09 am

Rogerthat: Apologies, serves me right for quickly writing messages at work on small screens.

Flibble: English too and there are some very nice teas to have in the afternoon with our scones.

I do like the reply of thats not our religous views that we support ........ thats an 'extremist' point of view that we've asked our extremist to clarify for us and to onvince the media that it's all blown out of proportion.

45. They prayed to cast Satan from my body

Comment #145664 by theantitheist on March 18, 2008 at 12:17 am

Gloria Jeans response to my email.

Dear Leon



Thank you for taking the time to contact us. We are deeply concerned with the recent media coverage related to our sponsorship of Mercy Ministries and association with the Hillsong Church and feel it is not reflective of what our business is all about.



Gloria Jean's Coffees is a company built on family and community values with the vision: "To be the most loved and respected coffee company in the World."



Our responsibility is to our Franchise Partners and our guests.



We are not religiously affiliated, or affiliated to any other beliefs or preferences. We are non-discriminatory and accept staff, franchise partners and guests from all walks of life.



We believe as a truly responsible corporate citizen, that we should have a positive impact on the communities from were we source our coffee and the communities we serve. Our values include: "Belief in people, building and changing lives".



Our sponsorship of many international and local charities including Mercy Ministries is based on giving back to the communities who have helped us become the brand we are today, there are no hidden agendas.



We assessed Mercy Ministries along with many other potential charity partners several years ago now and found that their work transforming the lives of young women in crisis was a good fit with our vision, mission and values.



Our corporate donations amount to approximately $150,000 â€" $170,000 per annum plus the donations made by the public through the money boxes in stores.



Since then we have seen many young women's lives transformed for the better. We have regularly visited Mercy Ministries homes to meet with the residents.



All our Franchise Partners in Australia have the opportunity to do this as well as all our Master Franchise Partners from the 29 other countries in which we serve coffee. We have several Mercy Ministries graduates working in and making a positive contribution to Gloria Jean's Coffees both in our stores and support office.



We have been in direct discussion with Mercy Ministries and we will be working with them to understand what elements of their program could have given rise to these very concerning claims. We would encourage any member of the public that is concerned to review their response to these allegations on their website at www.mercyministries.com.au



Many of the issues facing these young women are not easily fixed. While the vast majority of young women succeed in the program, there are those few for which this program is not the answer. Clearly they have the right to give their views.



We believe this however should not outweigh the positive impact Mercy Ministries has had on the lives of many young women. By removing our sponsorship without due diligence, we would be removing our support for the many young women dealing with eating disorders, unplanned pregnancies, abuse and other life controlling issues that are in desperate need for help to turn their lives around.



We have no relationship with the Hillsong Church. Gloria Jean's Coffees is an Australian-owned private company and there are no financial or legal ties between Gloria Jean's Coffees and Hillsong Church. This remains unchanged.



The religious affiliation of our management, staff, Franchise Partners, charity partners has absolutely no relevance to how we operate our company. Our responsibility is to our Franchise Partners, our guests and the quality of our coffee.



Thank you for your concern, we really do take your thoughts & feelings to heart in trying to ensure we serve you in the best way possible and in our journey to become the most loved & respected coffee house worldwide.



Yours faithfully,



Dianne Baise Guest Relations Officer

Gloria Jean's Coffees


Bit of a whitewash really, the ones that they do help are thouse who's wills have been broken and do as there told it sounds like. However without meeting these people and finding out for myself i'm not going to call it complete bollocks.

More information is nneded but it reminds me of "The Family" a cult who gained similair support from wealthy individuals. Read "Not without my sister" for an understanding into what type of places these are. Thouharily recommend it (Rogerout that spelling mistakes for you.)

46. They prayed to cast Satan from my body

Comment #145654 by theantitheist on March 17, 2008 at 11:16 pm

Rogerout: Don't worry my spellings crap and i'm aware of it. Normally i'll run it through word but i'm being lazy today.

Widweaver: Is that quote by Peter Irving finishing at succesful buisness or is it him talking about the dark cloud??

47. They prayed to cast Satan from my body

Comment #145640 by theantitheist on March 17, 2008 at 8:58 pm

It's all fine boycotting Gloria Jeans Coffee shops, but they won't notice unless you tell them you are and why.

You can forward your complaints and comments to them at

http://www.gloriajeanscoffees.com.au/pages/content.asp?pid=74

My comments to them are:

"Further to the recent articles in the Sydney Morning Herald regarding the Mercy Ministries and your support of them I have started boycotting your store, please be aware that I am not alone in my boycott. I beleive that your support of a religious organization that promotes phycological healing and help without any proper credentials is highly irresponsible and unacceptable. Your intentions may have been good, however lending your name and support to an organisation that you have not vetted allows you to be implicated and also share in it's responsibilities to the people it preports to help and in reality damages.

You may actually be aware of the situation and if you were then your organisation can be called accountable, if not then i suggest you use this oppurtunity to assess the situation and distance yourself publically from this organisation".

If you wish to contact me when you have removed your support then i shall return to your shops.

Regards,

Leon Andrews"

48. New Atheists Are Not Great

Comment #145630 by theantitheist on March 17, 2008 at 8:31 pm

Is D'Souza really religous or is it a cunning plan to get rich and the same for Tony Snow??

Really they must be aware of their blatent dishonesty and that could not sit right with a true blue beleaver.

I know they know that there being dishonest because they keep being told about it and they still keep it up.

Me thinks there in it for the money and are actually very clever and deviase.

As only very clever people or very stupid people can come across this obsurd, and they are being succeesful and making a lot of money with it so i'm thinking the former.

49. Deadly Sins 101

Comment #143176 by theantitheist on March 13, 2008 at 3:04 pm

The original story inspired me to write a huge email to my entire catholic family, where i ranted and i raved about how only fucking morons could keep up with this shit and that they were praying to a loving god that would condemn my little sister to a life in hell for taking the dogs name in vain, becoming successful and rice or curing cancer using stem cells!!

Not heard back from them yet but hopefully it's another dent in their belief.

Just the pure nerve to come out with this shit, no wonder the pope wears those long robes he must have huge balls of steel to conceal.

50. The ethics of mixing science and religion

Comment #142601 by theantitheist on March 12, 2008 at 8:20 pm

The money would just be used by the religion for some fancy planes, art, new house of slavery / worship etc. sod it i'll take it and put it to work (probably give half to saving the gorillas, i like Gorillas) and blow the rest on myself. Better then ending up as gold plating to some fucking dome.


And Rod the Farmer, i'll disagree with you on Microsoft. They a better force for good on this planet then the three abrahamic religions combined. Take Africa as the main example:

Muslims - Causing conflict; mutilating children, especially girls genitals (Ask AAH) genicide etc.
Catholics - Aids; over population; poverty
Jews - Fuck all theres less then 2% of the entire pop who are Jewish, why the fuck do we hear so much from them? There such fucking whingers!!

Microsoft/ Bill & Melinda Gates - Giving $50Billion over time to cure disease/malaria/aids ect. end poverty and give comfort to those who are terminal.

Religion 0 - 1 Microsoft

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