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Comments by BillySands


1. The God of the Bible is No Delusion!

Comment #180457 by BillySands on May 15, 2008 at 2:31 am

Clearly, my doubt is quite fat in comparison to that of the average Christadelphian, as the 'truth' of the Bible has not yet been vindicated beyond my doubt's shadow.


Yeah, if it was so clear, this thread would not have been so long

2. Church of Scotland mediators to quell disputes

Comment #178321 by BillySands on May 11, 2008 at 7:50 am

But, this is the good bit, the NEED for change is greater as well. If they dont, they will simply evaporate in a puff of irrelevance


Thought that had happened. Is that why Robertson only pretends to believe in evolution - except when he is blaming the holocaust on Darwinism? Does he even know what he believes? I think he just chops and changes to allow him to lie to atheists myself

3. Church of Scotland mediators to quell disputes

Comment #178319 by BillySands on May 11, 2008 at 7:42 am

Bunch o' fannies! :-)

4. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #174659 by BillySands on May 3, 2008 at 5:26 am

Like Quetz (blessed be his leafy infusions) says Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha etc

Why do morons think atheists dont want to face up to god. If he were real, what fucking good would that do us? Pathetic!

We just dont believe in him!

These pricks are basically calling us dishonest here. That smacks of desperation!

5. Was the new finger a 'natural' miracle?

Comment #174557 by BillySands on May 2, 2008 at 4:31 pm

but *please* tell me when the last time was that the BBC of all news networks supported supernaturalism?


Songs of praise every bloody sunday! I believe some of the radio stations have daily god slots. Do any have daily godless slots?

6. Was the new finger a 'natural' miracle?

Comment #174554 by BillySands on May 2, 2008 at 4:29 pm

Bizarro, we have been trying to get YECS to provide evidence for their beliefs elsewhwere with no sucess. Care to try?

I believe I challenged you on toothed hens before you left last time. Any comments?

7. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #174294 by BillySands on May 2, 2008 at 3:08 am

Robotaholic,

I cant read your posts because of your avatar, its too distracting.

8. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #173657 by BillySands on May 1, 2008 at 4:16 am

I know there are people with mental illnesses that don't believe in god, so what's your point?


The point is you dont need to be a mathematician to know that a ridiculous claim like 2 X 2 = 3 is wrong.

9. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #173368 by BillySands on April 30, 2008 at 5:10 pm

However a biologist answering the god question to me is like a mathematician solving an engineering problem.


I know and know of lots of people with mental illnesses who believe in god. What qualifies them to speak for god and think they can discredit evolution?

Oh, and the article is called "Lying for Jesus?"

10. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #170967 by BillySands on April 28, 2008 at 7:37 am

Dr Benway, although that is undoubtably true, atheists (about 8-16% of the US population) only represent 0.21% of the prison population.

11. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #170951 by BillySands on April 28, 2008 at 7:12 am

Also, while it isn't a huge difference, born agains get divorced more often than atheists.


Yeah, my former minister has just got separated (which is sad) and some of the ministers in David Robertson's church seem to be having homo and heterosexual affairs. Oh and Ted Hggard was unfaithful too

Then there are propoRtionately more christians in American prisons than atheists.

12. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #170938 by BillySands on April 28, 2008 at 6:48 am

Ask some reasonable questions, and you might get some.


And if he thinks god did it, he should supply evidence of his own. Picking on gaps (real or percieved) in understanding is not evidence.

Personally I think he played a particularly troll like opening gambit. He can always show us otherwise. It would be a refreshing change from fom of the nutters that have come from expelled sites.

13. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #170792 by BillySands on April 28, 2008 at 2:45 am

Mellisajoy

I dont know if this has been covered, but Adam an eve did not know it was supposedly wrong to disobey god until aftere they disobeyed him - yet were punished for that. Most people that have ever lived have never heard of your god. How can you say everyone has willingly rebelled against him.

txpiper Could you address the refutation of your flood evidence please?

14. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #170790 by BillySands on April 28, 2008 at 2:33 am

My wife is a scientist leading the way in some genetic research, and a great one at that, and she is constantly disgusted that both sides of this argument are presented as fact when IN FACT - they are BOTH theory! BOTH UNPROVEN BY THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD. Get a life - the lot of you.


I'm affraid your wife is not that great a scientist if she does not know what a theory is and how ID does not qualify. Tell her to come on over and tell us how it is - none of the christians here are doing that.

15. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #169903 by BillySands on April 27, 2008 at 4:18 am

Have we learnt anything over the past few days about handling a variety of theists


Yeah, some of them are evasive and not very bright! Others are downright nasty. Like you say, they are not atypical.

Best thing to do is gang up on them and not answer their shotgun style questions or allow them to move on to a different topic until they have answered the original question.

16. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #169892 by BillySands on April 27, 2008 at 3:48 am

Melisajoy,

Nothing in your post actually justified the killing of innocent children. These are childern who are presumably going to hell. How can it ever be a good thing to prevent someone from exhibiting their free will to lead others into destruction?

17. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #169683 by BillySands on April 26, 2008 at 2:39 pm

It has to be acknowledged that the sediments are there, and sediments are by and large formed by materials suspended in floodwaters.


Please pay attention. Different fossil habitats are preseved in different layers. Not all sedimentary rock is deposited by water either. There are plenty of fossils in desert deposits - like this fighting pair of Velociraptor and Protoceratops. http://www.dino-nakasato.org/en/special97/Fight-e.shtml

Then the killer, dinosaur nests in different layers. Do you think they somehow nested on rafts?

18. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #169564 by BillySands on April 26, 2008 at 9:55 am

And Moses and Aaron did all these wonders before Pharaoh: and the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, so that he would not let the children of Israel go out of his land.


I really "love" this verse. God is making Pharaoh unable to comply so he can go on an Egyptan baby killing spree.

This is the monster that remnant thinks is good and wants to suck off.

What happened to free will?

19. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #169557 by BillySands on April 26, 2008 at 9:46 am

One may argue about the interpretation of the evidence, but you can't say that it isn't there.


No, there are different environments preserved in different layers. Coral and forests dont just grow overnight.
You never find out of sequence fossils

20. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #169542 by BillySands on April 26, 2008 at 9:05 am

Thanks Steve and riandouglas. You've got to laugh

21. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #169535 by BillySands on April 26, 2008 at 8:54 am

How do YECs explain continental drift?

22. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #169532 by BillySands on April 26, 2008 at 8:48 am

Not to mention the intervening layers of ash between sedimentary layers


Not to forget lava flows. Lava erupted underwater forms "pillows"

But the fossils of T-Rex, for instance, have been found many thousands of miles apart. Long periods of time might help with your idea, but wide distribution of the fossils does not.


However, they only apear in rocks consistently dated to the last 5 million years of the cretatious - and always below the Iridium layer of the K/T impact

23. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #169529 by BillySands on April 26, 2008 at 8:38 am

Much sedimentary rock contains stratified fossils - proof that it can't have been laid down in one go.


Not only that, but you often find different environments preserved in different layers - eg coral reef, coal forest, lagoon, reef etc. You can even find in situ trees (and not modern ones) preserved in specific layers in between sediments. Not possible in a flood model
http://www.hmag.gla.ac.uk/Neil/FossilGrove/index.html

24. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #169513 by BillySands on April 26, 2008 at 8:10 am

Troll bot,
Jericho had no walls at the time Joshua was supposedly killing babies because god told him to. In fact, Jericho was probabably unoccupied at the time.
I suggest you reference sources that dont talk about talking snakes and dinosaurs on arks.
Got anything to say on the flood yet?

I found your comment to Eli disgusting. Is this the moral standards of christianity? Your blasphemous zombie must be proud of you. What did he say about respect? Strange you ignore that when you claim genesis is accurate. So how do you reconcile insulting people with 1 cor 13?
Is it because unlike you she does not have webs betwen her fingers? That's discrimination!

25. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #169230 by BillySands on April 25, 2008 at 4:25 pm

Evidence of irreducible complexity? And I dont mean a statement of your limited understanding - or creative limitations

26. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #169218 by BillySands on April 25, 2008 at 4:13 pm

Flood?

27. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #168997 by BillySands on April 25, 2008 at 1:59 pm

Flood?

28. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #168652 by BillySands on April 25, 2008 at 9:01 am

Instead he was tackled on his own ground and was shown to be completely inept in defending it. Whenever he tried to escape he was brought back to the subject.


Yes, the burden of proof always lies with the fundie. It is better to get them to prove their allegation. Whe dont need to defend anything. They have to make the case

29. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #168640 by BillySands on April 25, 2008 at 8:49 am

After "The Flood" the world supposedly had 8 people left.


8 people who somehow managed to repopulate the world instantly and make it look as though the egytian pharaoh and empire continued as normal - despite being obliterated (apparently)

Sometimes I find it hard to believe that even an idiot could believe this stuff, then I meet creotards online

30. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #168620 by BillySands on April 25, 2008 at 8:36 am

Hi Al,
Hope you are sitting down, the last Solomaic King was Zedekiah whose reign ended in 587/6 BCE, which is a bit confusing as god said there would be one on the throne for ever - no conditions attatched! (2 Sam. 7:8-16, 2 Sam. 7:12, 1 Chron. 22:9-10). How can this be if the bible is the true word of god?

31. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #168610 by BillySands on April 25, 2008 at 8:29 am

God as our Creator is supreme and owes us nothing.


Objection! Unsubstantiated claim!

I reckon he owes me lots of sex actually

Second. Were you there during the flood. Do you have a census of the population that supports your mental speculations on the number of deaths?


Sorry was there a flood? where is the evidence?

32. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #168579 by BillySands on April 25, 2008 at 8:09 am

horse evolution...that's a good one. The only place you will find that discussed regarding macro-evolution is in textbooks used in the indoctrination centers and by atheists that are a little behind the curve on that one.


Love the insane denial. You will actually find them in rocks if you care to look. They are particularly nice because they show gradual toe change in at least 3 successive layers.

Tell me why, if the bible is the word of god, that there is no descendant of Solomon sitting on the throne of isreal?

What about the flood. Withholding information and turning people away with insane comments is a sin. Your god would do something worse than tying a millstone around your neck and throwing you in a pond for that. Your blood is on your own hands

33. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #168324 by BillySands on April 25, 2008 at 2:40 am

Troll boy

I could put my youngest on here and you would get schooled on the reliability of the Bible but he doesn't use or like profanity and both of us choose to not waste our time with someone that is living proof of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.


Sorry, does that pass as the ultimate answer in validating the bible? Excuse me if I am not convinced.

Perhaps your first born should read the posts to you - you might then address what is being asked.

So remnant, with holding vital information from us are we. Suppose your god is real. Our blood is on your hands. I must say you have very little love for man kind. So, where is the evidence that the bible is a divinely inspired book?

I suggest that you dont answer because you cant and using the bible to validate itself proves nothing. So, where is the proof? What anout the flood? what about shoe horned prophecies? what about why ID is science? what about evidence for creation? How about you actually provide evidence for creation and not think that some how attacking evolution (and failing) is evidence.

Evolution does not violate the second law of thermodynamics. Was that some sort of retarded insult that never worked?


I agree with Brian on "Dave the physics prof". I would have expected a more informed approach from a physics prof - unless of course he is at Liberty U.

34. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #168160 by BillySands on April 24, 2008 at 4:10 pm

Jesus seems like a pussy. Muhammad would kick his ass and take his lunch money.


Al, Mohammed always kicks jebus' ass on faith fighter http://www.molleindustria.org/faith-fighter

I see troll boy has nothing to say on the flood or why he thinks the bible is true - a basic requirement for his position!

35. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #167447 by BillySands on April 24, 2008 at 3:59 am

Philip,

The sad thing is that this guy and all his type are brain dead. None of them can produce a single piece of evidence so when they meet people who demand it they automatically have to assume there must be something wrong with the other person. Totally insane arrogance. This annoyed me no end when I was struggling free of my personal period of endarkenment. God botherers were always puting the blame on me for doubting. It says more about them than us. I suspect people like remnant are hankering for the good old days when you could kill intelligent people.

36. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #167423 by BillySands on April 24, 2008 at 2:58 am

Go wash your potty brain out this instant! I am a historian, I have a good degree from Southampton University, England thank you very much! I have a very clear knowledge as to what constitutes Primary, Secondary, Tertiary or bible evidence!


It never ceases to amaze and disturb me, that when a cretinist can not provide or evaluate evidence for himself, he always accuses his opponent of being incompetent. Sad really. They even extend that to other christians who disagree with them on evolution and stoneing homosexuals.

37. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #167421 by BillySands on April 24, 2008 at 2:54 am

Trollboy slevvered

Is being a liar a required doctrine of atheism? I never said that gravity did not exist.


Interesting what you did there. You took two seperate statements, stuck them tether and responded to something I never said.
The lie is you constantly saying that you are leaving (only to keep returning)

My point about gravity - clear to anyone with a brain was not that you denied it, but you are inconsistent in the way you view different theories. Evolution although well supported is not yet fully explained, so you reject it because it is not in the bible (tell us what makes the bible true).
Gravity is supported by evidence, but not fully explained, yet you accept that.

Learn to read. Also, if you could learn to put quotes in boxes and show us you are not a robot, that would be nice too.

38. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #167078 by BillySands on April 23, 2008 at 3:38 pm

Trollboy

How many times are you going to lie and say you are not coming back today.

Have you jumped off that cliff yet to show that gravity is not real because it is not fully explained? You could always ask god to send you some angels.

39. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #167057 by BillySands on April 23, 2008 at 3:16 pm

Trollboy

I asked to see your calculation on the probability of a god existing that is supposedly able to make all the things you cant get your head round. Where are they?

The problem you atheists have is not that you cannot see evidence for a Creator in nature. You refuse to because of the implications.


That's the sprit, you keep telling yourself that. It's a good way to bury your own head in the sand when you have no evidence.

40. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #166720 by BillySands on April 23, 2008 at 11:50 am

Comment #166529 by Remnant

And the probability of a god who can do all this is? (please show how you worked it out?)

Oh yeah, Jusus - most of his life was made up by taking bits of the OT out of context and pretending he fulfilled a prophecy.

41. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #166538 by BillySands on April 23, 2008 at 9:42 am

I answered the question, you imbecile, but you're too thick to comprehend the answer.


"The ways of Irate are greater than the ways of fucktards"

Book of Quetz 6:66

42. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #166470 by BillySands on April 23, 2008 at 9:04 am

I bet he does a lot of handwaving in private, if you know what I mean.


With or without his pants on?

43. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #166467 by BillySands on April 23, 2008 at 9:03 am

He's probably isn't intelligent enough to change his own underpants.


He probably isn't intelligent enough to pull them down before going to the toilet.

The fall of man and the resulting deterioration of DNA.


Shame we have all those deformed and diseased fossils that are older than man.

44. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #166454 by BillySands on April 23, 2008 at 8:56 am

Isa 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.


So god could be having you on?

Like he was having the isrealites on:

Jeremiah 36:30
Therefore thus says the Lord concerning Jehoiakim king of Judah, he shall have none to sit on the throne of David.

Vs

II Kings 24:6
So Jehoiakim slept with his fathers and Jehoiachin his son reigned in his stead.

45. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #166447 by BillySands on April 23, 2008 at 8:52 am

I feel that the holes, and they are numerous in this UNPROVEN THEORY, should be presented and discussed openly...


Holes/gaps do not disprove a theory. Do you deny the theory of gravity? It's not fully understood - so you deny it right? Take a long walk off a cliff for us and show us gravity is dreamt up by atheists.

The truth is that evolution kills your fairy story, so you have to deny it.

46. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #166440 by BillySands on April 23, 2008 at 8:48 am

Here's what the Bible says about you...


Only a simpleton believes everything they are told (prov 14:15)

You seem to believe what the bible tells you - can you work it out?

47. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #166354 by BillySands on April 23, 2008 at 7:33 am

The power of the priestly caste would be unchecked, as there exists no reliable method to corroborate degrees of Holy Spirit guidance.


Then they can go to war with another sect who are told to worship slightly differently by the same so called holy spirit.

48. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #166352 by BillySands on April 23, 2008 at 7:26 am

One of the main problems I can see with the flood is the change in salinity of many aquatic environments. Many fish are adapted to only specific osmotic conditions, and all of the extra water, no matter what its composition, would have been a real problem. There would have been considerable mixing of fresh and sea water.


Not only that, many species have specific trophic requirements. Some only feed on coral polyps. Such a flood would wipe out coral reefs. Others are Algae scrapers - all that silt covering the food sources. Again, the flood can not account for the species flocks found in the African rift lakes either.

What about the bristle cone pines that are alive today that are older than the flood?

I feel sorry for these floodologists.

49. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #166324 by BillySands on April 23, 2008 at 6:26 am

id say it was closer to Canis.


I was thinking more Rattus. You have to laugh. I remember some site http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/dinos.shtml
saying that the leviathan of the OT was evidence of dinosaurs. Specifically, they identified it as Kronosaurus (a pliosaur not a dinosaur)

Wonderr how they managed to maintain parasitoids on the ark too. Noah's family must also have been infected with every human specific pathogen too. Wonder how their tissues never turned to mush and bits gropped off of them. Wonder how the syphillis and clamydia never left them sterile?

50. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #166297 by BillySands on April 23, 2008 at 5:25 am

debbyo, check this out for evidence of man living with dinosaurs http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/133

The thing that is supposed to be Eryops just cracks me up.

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