1. The Salamander's Tale

Comment #141339 by wooter on March 10, 2008 at 9:31 am

(I've almost done the job for you now.)
yeah i notice that.

Philip,
make your choice:
If you don't beileve in God, stop blaming God?
If you believe that you are created by chances then explain to rest of the world, why did you get this sickness in terms of ET?

I have no idea what part of this question makes you evasive. You keep telling I am against the idea of God. Okay let's say evolution blind chances made you. What went wrong?

2. The Salamander's Tale

Comment #141329 by wooter on March 10, 2008 at 9:23 am

(PS: I will note that Wooter has not yet answered the direct question put to him.)
Such as how old earth is again?

3. Richard Dawkins' US Tour begins this week

Comment #141322 by wooter on March 10, 2008 at 9:13 am

To: William Sierichs Jr.

First the differences between religions will not deny God's existence. If you enter
a very big art exhibition of a famous artist which has millions paintings, and
many managers to explain his paintings, if by any chance because of the misinterpretation of managers' sayings BY SOME AUDIENCE, THOUGH ALL THE MANAGERS SAY THE SAME THINGS BASICALLY, THAT THERE IS GOD AND THERE IS JUDGEMENT DAY, will not cancel or change the truth which is only one that there is God who created millions of species at the same time and built up the earth with his ultimate knowledge and wisdom and sent his prophets to the earth as his interpreters of HIS ART.

In the light of what I say, there is one god and one truth we will face, which is that we will account for what we do in our worldly life? There is only one room , room of the truth we will stay after we change our dimension of life.

4. Richard Dawkins' US Tour begins this week

Comment #141320 by wooter on March 10, 2008 at 9:12 am

(But compassion works the best)
That is why God will create another world, a much better one for us, a forever one as the sign of His compassion and mercy. Death in deed is just a door to open this forever world.

God's compassion is the infinite one. We always act like we are the owners of something that we pay

(you firmly believe that so and so has gone to jesus just why the hell would anybody be even remotely traumatised by their loss?? I dont understand that.)

Being sad or mourning is a necessity of being a human being not the sign of our worries about our beloved ones they changed their life dimension. (Dead means to me is to be gone forever so I prefer using changing the life dimension.

(Clinging to a belief simply - or even partly - because it comforts your fears is the human equivalent of the ostrich burying its head in the sand when threatened or afraid. )

It is quite opposite. The atheists who are clinging to life rather than any belief and closing their eyes to the truth of death by daily chores or activities which become their sand to bury. Believers will meet the maker so are the atheists. We will be welcomed since we knew it but for the unbelievers will be a surprise.


("I hope for nothing. I fear nothing. I am free.")

I believe in God and I feel hope and joy so fear is free from my soul.

To teratornis
(Will you be willing to demonstrate your certainty that death is merely a transition to a better life by volunteering to be waterboarded?)

The problem lies in right here. Atheists always try to see something with their eyes rather than their eyes of mind and heart. The mind of heart is faith and without faith this is what will be told; I do not see so it does not exist.
We have to decide with our mind and with our heart which needs the faith to see it.
Fire over the hill is analogy and it describes the atheists or your attempt to analyze life and God. Atheists are trying to see God without climbing up the hill and they fail since the signs on the way are enough for them.

(If you had been sitting in that library, would you have stood up and called out, "Shoot me! Shoot me! I want to go to heaven"? Or would you have jumped out the window too, as if you fear death just like all the other sane people?)

Committing suicide is an attempt of lost souls. You cannot prove anything except you are insane.

(Does that include lying about things you cannot possibly know now?)

Metaphysics is the reality of a two-sided coin which completes the other side, God. And life dimensions are the subjects of famous scientist like Einstein who is believed not to lie.

5. The Salamander's Tale

Comment #141261 by wooter on March 10, 2008 at 8:03 am

(Does anyone else smell that?)

Smell of being defeated?

6. The Salamander's Tale

Comment #141258 by wooter on March 10, 2008 at 8:01 am

IQ: Low
Understanding: slow
Seeing: Blind

Guess who am I describing? yeah Roland. I am sorry man? You got a problem. When this web was living their 1984 george orwell times, there was banning and wooter name was banned and as an being ironic i used a new name selfish. You got it. You know we can't beat him let's delete his answers and only our answers can stay approach. Still you don't get it, God help you.

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Comment #141249 by wooter on March 10, 2008 at 7:55 am

To Philip
(When good people come along to tell you there are better and more helpful ways to end world suffering)

I agree with zara the first and last time. To the ones who has commonsense to understand what I write: I guess wipeout has got a point. He is worse condition than you are. We are blessed ones. We are given anything we need. Water, plants, food, servant like animals, heater like sun, light bulbs like stars, nights and days to make our life convenient. So if some of us are less blesses, we have no right to complain since we did not pay for anything we have: eyes, brain, arms, ears, and all are best portioned. Our eyes are not at the back our head or under our feet, perfectly designed.

To Philip: Since you don't believe in God, then do not blame him. This is double standard.
Remember you came from the worm by chances or luck or blind watchmaker or selfish genes, or MENOTTHINKS. Take your pick.

Second do not mention scientists or smart guys rant to me. Real scientists work with their mind, logic and information and they never chase any delusional ideas that start with a worm and ends with a perfect human being with conscious, soul, remorse and other feeling along with perfectly designed body parts.

Third, insulting slandering and swearing are the habits of this web page not mine. And swearing is the only way for atheists to satisfy their defeated ego by LOGIC.
And Hope is the key word for all of you whether you keep saying different fantasies with "you see I am not afraid of death" approach, deep inside, it is impossible. This is just deceiving yourself. A very bad one.




Geoff and Quetzalcoatl
Hmm you are slandering again. Okay let me paraphrase the story again.
"Two blind people were eating meatballs from the plate. One was eating two meatballs at a time and he SUSPECTED that other blind person was doing the same and asked him "Are you eating two meatballs at a time. "

wooter;
"I am sorry I am not your blind friend. He is gone already. AND I AM NOT BLIND EITHER. And I am not eating meatballs neither. I am just sharing this table-webpage to eat my own meal."

If you don't get it, forget about evolution theory then because it is more complex.

I have no idea why are you desperate that you all went down to the level of slandering again? Lack of confidence, your ego hurts? This is the way to win an argument? It is really so sad, I wish I could help you. You did not sign in under my name, right? Oh man if you did it, congratulations. Another well done from me. Don't do the same thing for wipeout. He will be really pissed off. He will not be tolerant like me.
(The actions and words of those who do by Zara)

Wooter
God is self evident through his arts are different colours of million species, If there is an art , there is an artist . We never say if there is a painting then there is chances and luck that made that painting by chance.

Zara, I can tell the result now. I will be wipeout or bishop. Oh man you have really a lot of free time. I advise you not to piss wipeout off.

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Comment #141247 by wooter on March 10, 2008 at 7:52 am

FOR THE SAKE OF LOGIC
Creator and creation cannot be the same kind. It is the same funny thing that YOU ARE LOOKING FOR LEONARDA DA VINCI INSIDE HIS PAINTING MONA LISA

9. Richard Dawkins' US Tour begins this week

Comment #140119 by wooter on March 7, 2008 at 1:30 am

To: Terotornis
(Was my teaching excellent enough to get through to Wooter, I wonder? I would probably have to be super-duper-excellent, and I don't think I'm that good.)

Indeed, you are super duper good enough to answer long enough. Let's see what I can do for you;

(I've never seen anyone piss their pants in fear when they realized they were about to pass from one room to another)

If you saw it would you believe it? This world â€" an average of 65 years life â€"spam is just beginning. You accept it, deny it or mock it â€" but truth is just still there. Of course some of us claim that our eyes are open, but indeed, it is open only to the physical world with the approach of if I see it I believe it, otherwise I mock it which is another way to be evasive against the truth. Faith is the eyes of the heart and our eyes are the windows our soul. When they both are open we see God through his art. It is the same way when you go to any art exhibition of a really famous artist and see all his paintings and ask can I meet the artist? If you are told that the artist will meet the audience later, how logical is it to deny all his art-paintings â€" because you can't see HIM now.

I can give you another example;

You are on a mountain. You see a smoke coming behind a hill? You just take a guess or assumption, "there must be a fire", Then you go over the mountain to be sure that it is a fire. You go there and see yourself that it is a fire. Then you put your hand into fire, then, you burned your hand. You are sure now that it is a fire.

Atheists now say that they don't see any smoke. Worse they say there is no hill either while they are climbing of their life of hill. When they reach the peak, they will face the truth. No matter they believe or not.

(Rational people behave as if they fear death, while honestly admitting that death sucks.)

Death is a blessing as well for old people; otherwise nobody can imagine that we ill have to look after great great grandmother …while they cannot move any parts of the body. Death is being reborn from a short sleep of worldly life to a forever life. Death does not suck but ignoring it or trying to overcome it daily life enjoyments not to think about it is the worst cheating. Because humans are able to think about their past and future and to be unsure about future or thinking that "you will be dead and that is it", is really torturing.

And God valued human being best since we are blesses with perfect conditions and values; as an art we are perfect. No artist will throw away his best painting but he will keep it.
After we will (not die) change our life dimension to maybe the fourth or fifth one we will be resurrected again â€" but this time, having the best blessing, living forever. The only thing is that we will account for what we did in our worldly life.


Sorry for the late reply. I have got other commitments on another thread as well.

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Comment #139539 by wooter on March 6, 2008 at 3:37 am

To: Zara, To: Tyler,

If we go to a department store and just take look at the electronics department and see all kinds of equipment, tv, cd players, Mp3 phones, toasters etc,
And you just claim that

Why do you assume that the appearance of these equipment means that there really is a designer? They just came out by the mutation of iron

Or Please tell me how this electronics department "shows that there is a designer behind all equipment? They all came from the junkyard by chances. Nobody designed them and build them. Where is the engineer? He is not here right. I knew it why because we cannot see the designer. I rest my case. There is no designer. Nobody put the equipment here. They all came here by themselves.

The whole earth is like a very big department t store starting from the heater, sun, fruits, vegetables, food, soil, chickens, sheep, cows, etc. Somebody designed them and placed them. This is what logic and reason says.

GOD CANNOT BE KNOWN ONLY MIND BUT ALSO YOUR HEARTH. MIND AND HEARTH SHOULD FIND GOD TOGETHER. ONLY YOUR MIND IS UNABLE TO FIND GOD, YOUR HEARTH SHOULD BE INVOLVED IN AS WELL. HEART WITHOUT FAITH cannot find God. That is why your questions are beating bush around evading the truth.

If we see God then there will be no test.

We are limited creatures with our limited perceptions and hearing. We cannot see everything. And we cannot hear anything. Otherwise life would be unbearable if we heard the footsteps of antz. Right we don't see our mind but we use it. In our heart, we have got a lot of feelings and we don't see them but we see their consequences.

Briefly, if Monalisa says I have no artist then we say there is no Picasso. Your questions regarding when God created the earth etc is quite irrelevant what we talk about and are the consequences of having no answer about no logical foundation of evolution theory. Mocking, swearing are again is lack of self â€"confidence in what you believe and supporting each other via of exchanging jokes is another matter of trying to feel self-assured about evolution idea. The more you act like that the more you make people stay away from ET.

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Comment #139537 by wooter on March 6, 2008 at 3:35 am

To; Reverend
(Hey chicken-boy. I noticed that you did not address the question I have now put to you three times. )

Insulting me proves that you are wrong. Anyway I am quite brave to face the truth. Are you? You know the bad words rule. Thanks for the vocab to describe yourself.

To reverend, steveroot, epeeist, Quetzalcoatl, Prankster, irate,

Let's have more fun. Updated one.
Darwin: Did you find any amino acids?
Bertrand: Not a chance?
Darwin: Why can't we?
Bertrand: I don't you. You know how thermo dynamics lawS work?
Darwin: I know but we need some luck:
Bertrand: Random non random?
Darwin: I don't care. We gotto prove it.
Bertrand: But we can't.
Darwin: So what do we do know?
Bertrand: I can't find it then no evolution. Then I will do at least one thing. Deny the creation. I can't prove it we can deny the creation. This is the best. I am going to art exhibition. Are you coming along?
Darwin: maybe later. I will try to find blindwatcmaker or menotthinking.
Bertrand: Good luck.
Darwin: yeah WE INDEED NEED GOOD LUCK.
Bertrand: What about the guys at Dawkings web page?
Darwin:They are in trouble with that wooter guy?
Bertrand:Tell them to distract the attention from us to something else.
Darwin: No worries, They asked when God created the earth?
Bertrand:What about our ET? When?
Darwin: Hush hush. Wooter guy can hear. For ET we cannot have enough time. This is another hole we can never cover up.


To reverend again
(There is no life after death)
Then challenge death if you are not chicken boy.


(Taxi for Wooter?)
Yeah to the little pond please. Bertrand and Darwin are in trouble.


Roland_F
(Catch you !! Wooter = Wipeout
Wooter = Wipeout = Selfishmind.)

I understand now why IQ is needed.
Mr smart. If you look at my comment you will see that I wrote my name under the selfish mind since that time YOU BANNED MY NAME? REMEMBER. I DID NOT HIDE ANYTHING. OFFICER, ARE YOU FAKING?

As for wipeout guy, this is your fear of wooter. You got some serious issues to solve. Poor wipeout. He is another victim of slandering.

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Comment #139502 by wooter on March 6, 2008 at 2:13 am

Hi Philip
I am really sorry about your sickness. I really am. The same question is put another way as well; It is not fair. Imagine that you are a believer and study on my analogy with that perception. We are all sitting in a coffee and suddenly a guy comes in and says Okay I am a very rich person and I want to give money all of you here. He gave each of us some money. But a few of us got less money than the others. The ones who got the rest of money cannot say that it is not fair. Because we did not work or something that we can ask for what we deserve.
God created us and before that we did not exist. God created us as the best creature, a human being and God says , if you are patient and consent with what you have, I will give you more in paradise. Indeed, in paradise those who have sicknesses will be more privileged in paradise than those who were healthy in their worldly life. This world is a test for us. It is like testing the students. But God does not have the same question for everybody. Each of us has got different questions. If you think of a forever life after we die, this worldly life is â€" that is average of 65 years- just the beginning of our forever life. This world is just a place where we have out test and display our good deeds.

I will pray for your sickness. For God nothing is impossible. I hope some day you believe as well and pray for yourself. Your praying would be more valuable.

13. Richard Dawkins' US Tour begins this week

Comment #139435 by wooter on March 5, 2008 at 8:21 pm

Wow, I AM REALLY IMPRESSED HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE WISHING TO SEE Mr Dawkings. It is amazing, a very good version of vanity fair. I really admire Mr dawkins's dragging 16 percent population in a thread like cloned cheers and wishes? Congratulations.

Is it possible to explain the following question;
How do you handle with the thought of death; one day believers or non-believers will die for sure? So for believers, death is just passing from one room to another but for you, you will be gone forever. For us, we are at the beginning and for you it is the ending - even though it is not but the way you think should bother you? How do you overcome this fear of being gone forever?


(-It forbids people to seek doctor assisted death.)
This is totally depends on the family.
(-It forbids some stem cell research.)
I don't think so. Science is the path that religion drew to have the truth.
(-It forbids contraception even to stop AIDS.)
Contraception is a choice of the couples.

(-It forbids abortion.)
Unless mother's life in danger, abortion is no difference to kill a baby outside the womb or inside the womb.

(-It forbids divorce.)
It does not. It advices not to. The kids without parents and living with single parent or with step mother have more tendencies to trouble the community.
(-It opposes science with dogma.)
Religion is the book of God science is the interpretation of God's art with the questions how and what?

(-It teaches unreason--most specifically "faith" -It teaches absurdities: Genesis, talking snakes, life after death, walking on water, loaves of bread...)

For reason and logic is the most enemy - enemy of evolution state as you see in my comments. There is nothing wrong with the explanation that God created all creations separately and simultaneously and some of them went extinct so that our lives can be protected from animals like dinosaurs. It is quite illogical that if we say all creatures came out from a "it was just there" little pond or through a rain of amino acids in the first place and then amino acids by luck and chance they got the right order of chain to make a protein. Forget about the complex Dna strains how they got combined with luck again and there we go all creation end up with monkeys who are the victim of evolution theory since they can't speak how they fall out their hair only face, arms but not the head to look like humans. and do I have to mention the key word conscious in human beings that sweeps out the evolution theory out of the earth. Unconscious causes cannot be the reason to explain the conscious creatures.

(-It opposes sex outside of marriage.)
Parents are the essentials to raise a good generation and it is like a manual. If you use something against its manual, you will face the consequences.

As human beings we will either stick with the manual and lead a happy and healthy life or we will get lost in the ultimate desires of freedom where it takes us to the neverland of unhappiness, sicknesses, hopelessness and chaos

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Comment #139177 by wooter on March 5, 2008 at 8:56 am

Holes in the theory of evolution? Please elaborate - what "holes" do you speak of?

All right;
The hole of unexplained primordial soup's existence â€" The stars or planets, heat etc is not an answer that by luck planets produced amino acids and there you go we have got a protein soup. This is just a delusional soup.
The hole of unexplained aminoacids existence
The hole of unexplained unconscious blindwatchmaker, chances, luck cause the designed and conscious creatures like us.
The hole of unexplained time problem that is needed for E.T
The hole of unexplained Leaping from one creature to another without any transitional creatures â€" monsters like ones if it were true.
The hole of unexplained passing information from Dna to another dna of diffrenet creatures.
The hole of unexplained of solar system with perfect design and location thah makes years, days and nights for us â€" although this design and perfect location is so amazing, some of you still do not go the thinking level from being funny level since it is hard to explain with E.T
The hole of unexplained soul's existence.
The hole of unexplained of existence of vegetables, fruits and plants and their cooperation and design with sunlight, photosynthesis and rain.
The hole of unexplained how monkeys fell out their hair to look like us
The hole of unexplained fake fossils, the fossils found and showed that their structures are no different from our present time.

I can go on but it will be like the sieve of logic that sieves evolution idea with infinite holes, the logic will not hold anything on the top.

(How do you define "related to science"?)
How do you define a blind biologist?

To Philip
Just hang in there. My logic is on the way. Do not get lost in the jungle of evolution museum. We are still looking for the big frog's spot in there.


To reverend
Sill struggling in the vocabulary of I got him I got him. Give up man. Really it does not work. You spent almost half of dictionary but still no result because logic can stand entire vocabulary that is used on the side of evolution.

(Here is a question - answer it: You claim that god created everything at the same time. When did he do this? Please provide a date.)

Now we came from how to when? You know the earth's age don't you? If you want to get a specific date, then, you have to wait until you die. Then you can ask yourself to the angels. Because nobody can provide a certain date.


PJG
Death quotations
To be or not to be. That is the question.

The world is like a stage; We are the actors and we play our roles and we leave the stage.

People living deeply have no fear of death.

The death is indeed a very deep fear for atheist people who think that they will be gone after they die. Death is indeed a door that opens to the forever life. Of course we will see our parents and others there in the heaven. Death is the beginning not ending whether you believe or not. Everybody will die one day. But our life span is very short if you compare to a forever life.

Again sicknesses are the consequences but not the sign of any flawed design. And sicknesses are also the curtain of the Gabriel, the angel. You would not live with your great great . . . great grandfather who cannot move at all because he is too old. Death is to leave your body dress to have a new and better one.

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Comment #139175 by wooter on March 5, 2008 at 8:54 am

To: Epeeist again(!)

((Stat a new thread on here:))
http://www.richarddawkins.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=46

I refer this to Mr dawkins.

You better do not give any answer just to give any answer. It is really more boring than looking for amino acids in the soup. Why don't you join up the Darwin and Russell?


Oh man, you are picking on wipeout again. I am telling you he was a potential would be atheist but you made him upset. It is not good. It was almost 16 per cent plus 1 but you failed again.

Spellchecker cannot check evoling and evolins; Let me help you out:

Evole â€"evoling : the funny idea that all creations came out by luck
Evolins: the supporters of that funny idea of evoling.
This is a gift from me to English language as the synonym of cretins.

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Comment #139172 by wooter on March 5, 2008 at 8:53 am

This is a gift from me to English language as the synonym of cretins.

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Comment #139137 by wooter on March 5, 2008 at 7:48 am

To eepist
I kept answering your questions again and again still you keep posting the same evolins to prove that 'you see he cannot answer me'psychology does not work anymore. Let me paste it again for the sake of other readers and logic.

I invite you to the exhibition, the biggest lab of the world, the earth where any second millions of creatures ARE BEING BORN, FED, PROTECTED, MULTIPLED AND SERVED THEIR PURPOSE pointing out their creator with their AMAZING ART AND CREATION. If you still need prove or you say there is not enough proof then you just join up the club of "not enough evidence not enough evidence' along with bertrand Russell.

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Comment #138601 by wooter on March 4, 2008 at 3:44 pm

To: Eeepist

I explained your questions but still you do not understand. Some of you they invite me to the museum â€"thanks- and I invite you to the exhibition, the biggest lab of the world, the earth where any second millions of creatures ARE BEING BORN, FED, PROTECTED, MULTIPLED AND SERVED THEIR PURPOSE pointing out their creator with their AMAZING ART AND CREATION. But still like you a small kid, I want to see it How, I want to see it how otherwise I will deny it? That does not make sense neither to me nor to the 84% world population of believers, the other side.

I assume that you cannot help Darwin and Russell find out the amino acids in the little pond, with the approach of best defense is to attack, you are coming all together but it does not matter I am ready to answer all of your questions. Reverend is wasting his time writing a lot of vocabulary but still no answer to my question:

I do not see Reverend's mind then I conclude if I don't see his mind, it does not exist. But if I see his mind then, evolution does not exist. Which one?

Mind

Conscious

Soul

Are a few only that are waiting for, to be explained by ET and denying them will not help to cover the truth.

You are asking amino acid and correct chain. Anybody can check the following page and prove that this system is done by evolution (using logic.)

http://biology.clc.uc.edu/courses/bio104/protein.htm

(By the way, you ignorant tool, chickens do not eat dirt. They occasionally will swallow stones and gravel to help digest the seeds, worms and insects that make up their diet.)

So this help them make the eggs? Reverend I told you to get out of your insulting vocabulary, you are just self- entertaining ego battles with I got I got him. The only you got him is to describe yourself. Calm down.


(That creates a block of understanding)

I must say that logic creates a block of understanding as well. Like any palace in the world with the decorations inside popped out by chances, luck, selfish brick, menotthinks, blind watchmaker out of only ONE BRICK â€"LITTLE POND WHERE NOBODY NOWS HOW THE LITTLE POND WAS THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.


(It's like we're playing tennis with a blind man)

No not you. Delusional amoniacids are playing tennis with blindwatcmaker to get the right chain of order by chance.

It is really lower than mocking while I am trying to answer any insult to LOGIC SINCE LOGIC'S LEVEL AND YOUR LEVEL OF WRITING CANNOT BE MATCHED. It is quite evoling.

Let me ask a question. Say okay you don't believe. What about Death? You are not afraid of death? Since you do not believe in hereafter. The only life you will live is this life according to the evolution? When you are alone, what are the thoughts of death in your mind? For believers, we believe that life will go on after we change this dimension of the world?


HI Philip
Thanks for your invitation. But let's work on lab of the earth and live museum of the earth first.

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Comment #138196 by wooter on March 4, 2008 at 3:43 am

I see a selfish gene; it has no conscious.
I see a blindwatcmaker it has no conscious
I see a menotthink it has no conscious
I see luck it has no conscious
I see chances: it has no conscious

I do not see Reverend's mind then I conclude if I don't see his mind, it does not exist. But if I see his mind then, evolution does not exist. Which one?


Jon_Sociologist
(The requested user does not exist.")
How can I prove that I exist?

Hi Jon, you are very fast to go down to Mocking level from logic and science. Even when I mock I have got a point, but your mocking level sorry to say that it surely show your intellectual level. I am ready waiting for at the level of logic and science.

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Comment #138193 by wooter on March 4, 2008 at 3:41 am

To Reverend

(Suddenly all of Wooter's posts make sense. No evidence. No logic.)
Let's see one more time for the sake of LOGIC;

Phenomenon: an object or aspect known through the senses rather than by thought or intuition; a fact or event of scientific interest susceptible to scientific description and explanation

Delusion: mean something that is believed to be true or real but that is actually false or unreal. DELUSION implies an inability to distinguish between what is real and what only seems to be real, often as the result of a disordered state of mind.

E.T:An idea that millions of species from crocodile to whales and from ants to elephants came from a little pond by all themselves.

God created all species separately and at the same time. Each animal has different body structure with different needs. Some of them went extinct to make our lives easier or some of them became smaller like frogs. God created his palace like earth along with the animals. God arranged the sun and world location in the best way so that humans can benefit at their best. Then God created the factory like soil from which we can grow any fruit or food along with the seeds. Chickens eat the dirt and serve us nutritious eggs, sheep and cow eat the green grass and serve us white milk.

So I can go on more and more but we cannot finish it.

So which one is logical?

Please get out your lovely vocabulary insulting level to logic and then we can talk. Otherwise you will have the best title in the vanity fair of evolution

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Comment #138191 by wooter on March 4, 2008 at 3:39 am

epeeist
You can talk to Darwin and Bertrand Russell who were looking for amino acids in the soup and when you find it, it is your turn again. By the way thank you for your very descriptive language of yourself and this web page features. Way to go. You are almost there to prove that E.T is not fact but only a vocabulary of foul language. By the way you live along with Mr Dawkins?

Mithchell
(What a larf, ever heard of indigestion? Acid reflux? Heart burn? Alcers?)

Sicknesses are the results of our indifference to eat anything carelessly
If any building is going down in structure because of bad care or lack of care, we cannot blame the designer since he built the house perfectly in the first place.

Do not play with the words to prove otherwise or stand against Logic. You will lose anytime anywhere and in any condition since you are attacking the windmills.

1)computers are designed
2) Our computer-like brain is designed too.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Human-Brain-Functions-Like-a-Computer-44768.shtml

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Comment #137567 by wooter on March 3, 2008 at 7:34 am

(We are by no means perfect at communication.)

So you're saying, our body parts, brain, tongue, stomach gallbladder never communicate when we eat some food and food goes down through our throat? The stomach receives different amount of acid according to the amount and kind of the food, which is arranged by brain and which is directed by our sense of taste.

Indeed communication and cooperation is a great feature among the creations. WE JUST NEED TO LOOK INTO IT. Because randomness will not survive in perfectly designed systems.


(Flawed or fallacious logic is logic all the same.)

Logic is the one and has got the one door for anyone on the earth.
If I see a computer
my logic says somebody assembled it.
If I see a TV
My logic says somebody made it.

If I see a house, a decorated house
My logic says somebody built the house and decorated it.

If I see the earth like a big house with the decorations in it; trees, sun, plants, vegetables, fruits, fruit, animals, chickens, sheep, cows,
Then my logic says somebody made it.
So logic cannot be speculated for certain perceptions.

Like 2x 2 = 4.

23. The Salamander's Tale

Comment #137566 by wooter on March 3, 2008 at 7:32 am

To: Jon_Sociologist
(Natural selection then selects for and against the various genes in a non-random fashion.)

The problem is here again E.T always refers something that is unconscious, unreasonable â€" no idea how I call, but let's say, - imaginary ITDIDIT THINGS LIKE natural selection â€" menotthinking â€" just being sarcastic â€" selfish genes, blindwatchmaker to explain the creation. This is where our logic is getting in the way;
Unconscious things cannot be a cause for conscious things to happen.
Unconscious things cannot design conscious things. The key word is the conscious as I gave the example with mouse and cheese analogy.


(It's also your turn. I have explained how evolution did the things you have asked. Now you need to answer how you think god did it. How did god make our sense of smell? How did god make us able to feel emotion? I want the exact method. How did god make the chemical receptors in your nose? What evidence can you present to support any answer given?)

Wooter's reply
The question is why rather than how? The kind of approach does not lead us anywhere. It is same question to ask the architect how you did design the Buckingham palace. Show me how? Otherwise I will deny your art. That does not make sense. If you want to learn how we can look into all science books or medicine books how creations are created and human beings in mother's womb. Science is the curtain of God, with which God display his art and how HE does it. I wrote before science is like a microscope or telescope that searches and finds out how God's creation is done.

24. The Salamander's Tale

Comment #136288 by wooter on February 29, 2008 at 5:38 pm

(You remind me of my kids when they were small.)

What evolution theory remindS me and rest of the world. Darwin searches something in the little pond with Bertrand Russell

Darwin: Did you find any amino acids?
Bertrand: Not a chance?
Darwin: Why can't we?
Bertrand: I don't you. You know how thermo dynamics lawS work?
Darwin: I know but we need some luck:
Bertrand: Random non random?
Darwin: I don't care. We gotto prove it.
Bertrand: But we can't.
Darwin: So what do we do know?
Bertrand: I can't find it then no evolution. Then I will do at least one thing. Deny the creation. I can't prove it we can deny the creation. This is the best. I am going to art exhibition. Are you coming along?
Darwin: maybe later. I will try to find blindwatcmaker or menotthinking.
Bertrand: Good luck.
Darwin: yeah WE INDEED NEED GOOD LUCK.



Natural Selection Made Easy (9minutes 48 seconds)
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=R_RXX7pntr8

The question is how we smell of different foods and gas, oil, etc? I repeat my questions and explain it based on LOGIC AND SCIENCE NOT NON-RANDOM SELECTION OR ANY OTHER FANTASIEZ. We entire world are dying to know

1. How our body works perfectly in great communication, cooperation?
2. Our conscious
3. Our soul
4. Our lovely big frog
5. Time needed for E.T
6. Amino acid and their correct chain is arranged by luck
7. The letters in DNA string and their right combination

I can go on if you want.

Sorry to say, still you are in little pond and non-random stories. Please take E.T to the light of truth, science and logic.

25. The Salamander's Tale

Comment #136284 by wooter on February 29, 2008 at 5:26 pm

To reverend
Reverend how many sources did you read about evolution so far?

I read many you know what the sources about refution of evolution is much more than the ones about evolution.

HERE ARE MORE:
http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/4014/
http://creationsafaris.com/crev200802.htm
http://www.darwinisdead.com/

Wooter - say his name three times and Wipeout appears.

I am sorry chap. Not only wipeout is wooter but also 84 percent of world population is wooter because they can think.

26. Feb 12th: Happy Darwin Day!

Comment #136280 by wooter on February 29, 2008 at 4:57 pm

To Epeeiest

(is to reproduce and survive, passing on the genetic information of the species from generation to generation.)

Passing genetic information from one to another cannot based on luck or unconscious reasons and chances. The problem starts with the key element, conscious. It is like put the letters of a book in meaningful way so that it does make sense.

(Darwin found that those organisms more suited to their environment were more likely to survive.)

Today scientific discoveries show us that all the species were created in the same time but the SIZE DOES MATTER. Like the big frog fossils found lately, all the animals got smaller and some of them went extinct like dinosaurs to get human beings life safe. Otherwise, it would not be nice when we go to burger king, a big dinosaur turned up and started chasing us. God who created the earth like a best palace arranged everything according to our needs through TIME.

27. Feb 12th: Happy Darwin Day!

Comment #136279 by wooter on February 29, 2008 at 4:57 pm

To reverend
(Will a starving man eat the cheese from the floor? Of course he will. Will he eat it from the garbage can?)

And that will make him a mouse? The same hungry man will not go and get the same cheese in a very big mousetrap because he know that he will be killed.

And please refute the findings in this following page. Do not answer me with another web page.
http://books.guardian.co.uk/reviews/scienceandnature/0,6121,713294,00.html

wooter
Or AN UNBORN BABY'S CREATION IS THE BEST. No evolins could dare to say anything about it.

And you wrote: This really means "Wooter is too fucking ignorant and illiterate to know anything about the research into the subject. Wooter has not read any of the literally mountains of research, evidence, peer reviewed papers and excellent popular science books on the subject."

And this is not your answer neither your web pages. We are expecting you to explain us how a baby's heart, lungs, eyes, stomach, blood veins, ears, eyes, BRAIN and even hair(?) come out? Since ET says human beings came out after a very very very very long evolution? And what are the causes?

28. The Salamander's Tale

Comment #135493 by wooter on February 29, 2008 at 3:28 am

To: Jon_Sociologist
Thank for your answer without any swearing, or trying to get funny to be evasive.

(Compare this explanation to Intelligent Design. I have never seen a believable explanation for how "god" managed to create humans who can hear, see, feel, and suffer or be happy.)

DNA refutes evolution; Even there is a web page about it. I explained my analogies regarding DNA which is definitely impossible to come into existence by again unconscious and blind chances and luck. That is why we have only one option that there is a creator. We can't try to decorate your room by wind or luck instead of hiring a decorator. You would be an empty room as well. The atheists' thinking wrong starts when they look for the designer or creator among the bricks of the house. It does not make sense neither for your students nor anyone's logic.

Amazing DNA
The information stored in DNA must by no means be underestimated. So much so that one human DNA molecule contains enough information to fill a million-page encyclopaedia, or to fill about 1,000 books. Note this fact well: one million encyclopaedia pages, or 1,000 books. This is to say that the nucleus of each cell contains as much information as would fill a one-million-page encyclopaedia, which is used to control the functions of the human body. To draw an analogy, we can state that even the 23-volume-Encyclopaedia Britannica, one of the greatest mines of information in the world, has 25,000 pages. Therefore, before us lies an incredible picture. In a molecule found in a nucleus, which is far smaller than the microscopic cell wherein it is located, there exists a data warehouse 40 times bigger than the biggest encyclopaedia of the world that includes millions of items of information. This means a huge 1000-volume encyclopaedia which is unique and has no equal in the world.
From: http://www.dnarefutesevolution.com/human_celli.html


To be continued

29. The Salamander's Tale

Comment #135491 by wooter on February 29, 2008 at 3:26 am

Spot the wooter
Spot the evolution(!).

1. We have got around 1,000 different scent receptors our nose, with which we are able to detect more than 10,000 smells through by way of the magnificent scent perception system in the nose. How does luck and chances can do that? I can smell pizza or I can smell scrambled egg. How is that possible with selfish genes or natural selection or blind watchmaker?

2. "While today's digital hardware is extremely impressive, it is clear that the human retina's real-time performance goes unchallenged. Actually, to simulate 10 milliseconds (one1hundredth of a second) of the complete processing of even single nerve cell from the retina would require the solution of about 500 simultaneous nonlinear differential equations 100 times and would take at least several minutes of processing time on a Cray supercomputer. Keeping in mind that there are 10 million or more such cells interacting with each other in complex ways, it would take a minimum of 100 years of Cray time to simulate what takes place in your eye many times every second."

30. The Giant Tortoise's Tale

Comment #135347 by wooter on February 28, 2008 at 9:16 pm

Sorry about the titles:
Dear professor Dawkins,
Dear Mr Dawkins, while you are at it, would you tell us a tale of the giant frog found recently using the evolution tree? What we want is to explain it with the evolution tree? Please?


scottishgeologist
Thank you for sahring your picture with us. But we did not ask for it. We need an answer for the question above.

Philip1978 o

I checked your web page. But this is not answer. I am seriously asking - imagine that I am an outsider and wondering this big fron place in evolution tree because scientists say they fed himself on lizards or hatchling dinosaurs? This is absolutely opposite what evolution says?

31. The Salamander's Tale

Comment #135330 by wooter on February 28, 2008 at 8:50 pm

To: PJG
(watch the Potholer54)

Please write the web page again. I will watch it.

32. The Giant Tortoise's Tale

Comment #134644 by wooter on February 28, 2008 at 4:11 am

Dear Mr Dawkins, while you are at it, would you tell us a tale of the giant frog found recently using the evolution tree? We are all ears.

33. The Salamander's Tale

Comment #134640 by wooter on February 28, 2008 at 4:09 am

Personal attachments

(Also, God cannot be self-caused nothing can create itself, because that would mean that it existed before it came into existence, which is a logical absurdity.")

CREATOR AND CREATION CANNOT BE THE SAME KIND. The creator can reflect his knowledge, art, perfection and wisdom on his CREATURES so that we can understand God through his creation.

Second if evolution is logically impossible, which I proved it so far, we have got only one option that is compatible with logic and science.

To Clunk
I will take your advice you better take mine too. Try to take evolution from delusion land to logic land and when you do that if you can just give me a ring.

to; emmet
(Me! Me! Me! I can! I can! Do I win a lollipop?)
You are half twin of tyler? You are so funny. Please do not say me me me. Otherwise I will think about METHINKS that would make think blindweachmaker's jealousy.

Tyler said: make the same elementary mistake?

Analogy: comparison based on such resemblance (Webster dictionaryO
Millions of creations with different colours from peacock to bats amd with different structures from and to elephant are a great exhibition of God's art.

Tyler maybe you better you hold your breath, no offence.

Oh man I feel funny when I explain these kind of stuff.

Irate: thank you for the adjectives you describe yourself. Getting to know each other better.



(Mutations are random; Selection is non-random. This means that overall evolution is not random.)
In English please?


(Wooter,
(Your Parable of the Liar was lost on me, I didn't understand a word of it - could you possibly explain that one a bit better?)

Hmm let's try another way of logic:

"It's not outside the realm of possibility that Beelzebufo took down lizards and mammals and smaller frogs, and even -- considering its size -- possibly hatchling dinosaurs," Krause said in a telephone interview. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080218/sc_nm/frog_devil_dc
Or

1. How does E.T explain luck and coincidence or chances that have no consciousness is able to design and create intelligible, conscious creation, human being who can hear, see, feel. Sad or happy?

To eepist
The greater the disability (or handicap) of the creator, the more impressive the achievement.

So you are saying that a blind and crippled person can draw or do painting a lot better than a healthy person? Interesting? Do you want me to answer this? I hope not.

34. The Salamander's Tale

Comment #134635 by wooter on February 28, 2008 at 4:06 am

Jon_Sociologist 2

Banning the ideas or people's answers, will take us to the time of Stalin who was an atheist too, which once my answers are deliberately deleted leaving only atheists' answers.

Actually what you -evolins- are trying to is to squeeze an elephant in a can of coke while trying to prove evolution is fact. And logic says there is a big stage of the earth that each animal has got a spot since the beginning. But your mindset is fixed on luck and chances to explain creation and still struggle to prove that you are right doing in general

Fake transitional fossils
Fake experiments â€" Moth experiment
Writing books like selfish gene or blindwatchmaker
Web pages
Slandering, smearing, mocking, swearing others who disagree with you?

Is it really worth it? What is the difference between Don Quixote and the struggle to prove E.T is a fact?

35. The Salamander's Tale

Comment #134634 by wooter on February 28, 2008 at 4:04 am

Reverend is an exception although his answers are full of naughty words, still trying to answer me. I appreciate that.

36. The Salamander's Tale

Comment #134633 by wooter on February 28, 2008 at 4:03 am

To: Jon_Sociologist
(The fact that I was jumping on the bandwagon may explain, but it does not excuse my actions. Sorry wooter, for implying that you are an idiot, and a fucktard.)


Thanks for all your psychoanalyzing me. I am deeply impresses and moved. I guess it is my turn.

1. As far as I know that scientists will answer any questions in the same way it is asked without dodging by being funny, swearing, slandering, smearing exchanging jokes to support one another to feel that evolution theory is safe.

Example;
I asked a simple question;

1. How does E.T explain luck and coincidence or chances that have no consciousness is able to design and create intelligible, conscious creation, human being who can hear, see, feel. Sad or happy?

And here are the answers of atheists role models;

GROUP COHESION?
(Why are you posting here? Is this some kind of attempt to convert us all?)

{takes cover, waits for wooter's head to explode} Steve
(I think wooter is covering his ears and saying, 'la la la la la, can't here you, la la la la, Jesus help me now, la la la la.....')

I donna wanna quote rest of other responses full of F word which is number one characteristic of this web page. So we can change the title into;
GROUP SWEARING
GROUP SUPPORTING
GROUP THERAPY

TAKE YOUR PICK.

I DO NOT IMPLY ANYTHING, really since logic has done enough.

37. Feb 12th: Happy Darwin Day!

Comment #134586 by wooter on February 28, 2008 at 2:49 am

Finally to MPhil
This is nonrandom natural selection in combination with random mutation.

Nonrandom natural selection means:?


Where does big frog sets in evolution tree while lizards, other small frogs, dinasours were playing around happily. Evolution or mutation forgot something?

Second: How do you explain
- A single error in the DNA can sometimes lead to death as it can cause the substitution of one amino acid for another or a change in their sequence. A disease that afflicts over 50,000 blacks in this country, sickle cell anemia, and is often fatal, has been traced to a single 'error' in the DNA which causes the substitution of one amino acid for another on one of the hemoglobin chains-

with unconscious luck and chances?

And how do you explain the fake moth story in the following web page?
http://books.guardian.co.uk/reviews/scienceandnature/0,6121,713294,00.html

38. Feb 12th: Happy Darwin Day!

Comment #134583 by wooter on February 28, 2008 at 2:46 am

To reverend
(we are merely little white mice?)
We are the creation created at best since we can think and conclude. A mice has no conscious so it is gonna eat a piece of cheese on the floor while we put it away to garbage can.
(you cannot prove the intervention of god in the lab)
I do not need to. Because any person with commonsense will figure out that creation needs creator not the chances or luck. But if you say otherwise, you have to prove that how a lizard evolves into a frog? It is like this; I say this small toy frog has been made by someone but you insisted that it came from a toy lizard by evolving through chances and I say " either you are kidding or you are not dreaming." That's where evolution stops making up tales. Nobody on the earth can win any argument against LOGIC.
As for giant frog, please seriously without any naughty and funny words, explain to us how is that possible frogs and lizards, dinosaurs, live in the same time? Use the evolution tree while explaining it.

(You wanted to talk about science? Where is the science?)
I am here: "It's not outside the realm of possibility that Beelzebufo took down lizards and mammals and smaller frogs, and even -- considering its size -- possibly hatchling dinosaurs," Krause said in a telephone interview. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080218/sc_nm/frog_devil_dc

To tyler
(I'm trying really hard not to reply... it's just soooo tempting :)
(Deep breaths, Deep breaths)

Please don't die. You are so funny and you know it's not gonna make atheists population (16 %) look good.

(Yet you come back and post exactly the same material.)
Don't think so. The latest I topic brought up is how unconscious luck chances can cause conscious human being to come into existence. It is like there is a tree and there you go tree became a human being by chances. Still no answer except the USUAL.

39. Feb 12th: Happy Darwin Day!

Comment #134582 by wooter on February 28, 2008 at 2:44 am

Personal attachments

(Did someone call?)
Yes monkeys are just asking 'where they can buy cheap razors to shave and look like you â€" a human being â€" banana promotion will be nice' they say.

To Zara;
Brushing up on biology
What is protein
Many of the chemicals needed by a living organism are manufactured from 20 chemicals referred to as amino acids. These 20 amino acids are joined together to form the proteins and enzymes that living cells need for their existence, much like Lego pieces are joined together to form different structures. In some cases, all 20 amino acids are used; in others, only some are used.
Virtually all proteins are very complex and consist of very many amino acids joined together in a very precise sequence. For example, human hemoglobin, the essential constituent of blood, is a complex molecule consisting of two chains of 141 amino acids each joined to two other chains of 146 amino acids each - or a total of 574 amino acids.

DNA makes protein
The manufacture of chemicals needed by a cell begins at the DNA. To make hemoglobin, for example, a group of chemicals come to a particular location on the very complicated blueprint that is the DNA molecules. They split apart the strands of the DNA at the right location, revealing the information at that location and enabling the relevant portion of the message to be copied.
After the message is copied chemically, other chemicals have to "translate" the message into a functional protein molecule by joining together the precise amino acids in the precise sequence called for by the blueprint. Because there are only 20 amino acids that can be used as the building blocks of all proteins, the DNA contains 20 sets of "words," one for each amino acid, and one other set of "words" which instructs the chemical factory to stop production. These twenty one sets of words are written by the four "letters" of the DNA language. Each word consists of three letters, i.e. three "letter" molecules next to each other along the length of the DNA.
Perfect copying is important
A SINGLE ERROR IN THE DNA can sometimes LEAD TO DEATH as it can cause the substitution of one amino acid for another or a change in their sequence. A disease that afflicts over 50,000 blacks in this country, sickle cell anemia, and is often fatal, has been traced to a single 'error' in the DNA which causes the substitution of one amino acid for another on one of the hemoglobin chains. Because accuracy in copying is so important, in the cells of higher life forms there exist special molecules whose function is to safeguard that as few errors as possible find their way into the DNA.
FROM: http://pages.prodigy.net/jhonig/bignum/qprotei1.html

(Is it by luck, chances or creation of God?)


If you want to see how species are being created you just watch discoveries and see God's creation in the lab like earth. Or AN UNBORN BABY'S CREATION IS THE BEST. No evolins could dare to say anything about it. The ones that dodge is just the ones to make evolins feel confident, you see I answered his question, type.

40. Feb 12th: Happy Darwin Day!

Comment #134011 by wooter on February 27, 2008 at 6:20 am

Reverend 2

(Where is your proof of creationism in the lab?)

Beelzebuffo Ampinga
The first frogs appeared about 180 million years ago, and their basic body plan has remained unchanged. Beelzebufo lived during the Cretaceous Period at the end of the age of dinosaurs, which went extinct along with many other types of animals 65 million years ago when a huge space rock clobbered Earth.

Even though it lived far away, Beelzebufo appears to be closely related to a group of frogs that live today in South America, the scientists said.

From; http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080218/sc_nm/frog_devil_dc



Reverend 2

Wooter asks
How does E.T explain luck and coincidence or chances that have no consciousness is able to design and create intelligible, conscious creation, human being who can hear, see, feel. Sad or happy?

Reverend assumes that he answers:
Evolution is the non-random survival of random mutations. It is not design, although it can give the illusion of design.

And me and rest of the world â€" 84 percent world population are just wondering where does the conscious come from? Otherwise, you would not be able to write or that Styre guy would not know why he is breathing each second along with swearing?



1. Where is your proof of creationism in the lab?
II answered you already, but still you play three monkeys; The whole world is full of God's proof already. Each second maybe million species are created. The whole world is a big lab and God's creation is working each and everywhere in perfect order, design, and at best timing. Still looking for a creation in an university lab? Creation is pointing out creator and perfect and designed creations are already the proof. You are writing to me because you have got conscious otherwise you would jump on your computer and eat your banana and go banana.

A question:
Let's say hypothetically you make a soup protein â€" without making any mistakes in amino acid order/chain because one minor mistake will cause a disaster â€" then, you prepared all magnetic waves, radiation, heat etc and can you make a DNA STRING?

Or you prepare all the conditions and situations of a mother's womb in a lab, can evolution, mutation, natural selection, Methinks or blindwatcmaker createâ€" forget about the whole body- just a little finger of an unborn baby?

41. Feb 12th: Happy Darwin Day!

Comment #133287 by wooter on February 26, 2008 at 3:04 am

Atheists are at it again.

(Rev - d'ya want to to start on these self-confessed imbeciles. I'm in the mood for opening a can of whupass on any and all cretinists today. (Irate)


(Aright guys. First I want to thank all of you especially Goldy and our good Reverend - for their very mature responses. Maturity is a mark of confidence, and I am glad to see that everyone here posseses that.)


(Does this warrant a ban, or just the permanent monicker of "fucktard"?)
All â€"rawandi

(I'm almost certain they're the same guy, especially as Wipeout talks about how great Wooter is. Nobody else does that.)

(Further comments from you will be deleted as soon as I see them.)
Quetzalcoatl
YOU ARE NOT MR DAWKINS, RIGHT AS YOU SEEM THAT YOU HOLD THE POWER OF CENCORSHIP.
(I'd still like to see (as some wit posted a while back) the tags expanded to read
Flag as: [troll][spam][offensive][wooter])
As for ignoring trolls, I'd be happy to do that. By epinephirine

{[ignore this user]
It didn't work too well with Yahoo because you were limited to ignoring 100 users. Should be enough here, though. Hell, I'd only need two.} by hungar elephant.

Finally wooter:
All this was written just because I asked a simple logic question. Anyway they know the rule and thanks for their description of themselves. And my question that causes a lot of frustration, threatening, swearing and slandering was;


1. How does E.T explain luck and coincidence or chances that have no consciousness is able to design and create intelligible, conscious creation, human being who can hear, see, feel. Sad or happy?

Still waiting?

Maturity and being nice is a sign of self -confidence and understanding and accepting.
Swearing or mocking is a sign of desperation and hopelessness.

42. Feb 12th: Happy Darwin Day!

Comment #133283 by wooter on February 26, 2008 at 3:01 am

To reverend
(But all wooter does is ask insanely stupid questions. I have no trouble embarrasing creationist trolls.)

Your chap all grumbling says this question is stupid, so if this question is stupid, then entire evolution idea is lost in this stupid question since there is no answer.
Stupid is as stupid does. I like Forest Gump. At least he can think now and then.

(Please understand that Darwinism is a religion, and it does not tolerate any dissent.)

Darwinism cannot be a religion. We are still trying to pull out the E.T from delusional stage to the fact that it is not a fact. Religion is based on the fact and truth. Holy books are the interpretation of the universe and science is the eyes, sometimes binoculars or microscope of God's creation. Religion says God created the earth and sun as a heater and science finds out how? And sometimes holy books guide the scientists to find the truth as well. Darwin was inspired a couple scientists and their letters â€" not the islands- and wrote evolution book and as I see in the story of Liar Liar analogy â€" no offense Darwin did not know when he wrote many things that were against science since in his time science was at very early beginning. So I would not call him a liar. In fact , if he were a believer he would be a very useful scientist.
Evolution does not tolerate logic nor logical queation nor its writers. Sorry to say, kill him by swearing became a habit of this web page.

(That is a leap.)
If one wants to see bigger leaps, they can just access into evolution tree. But beware; just take a look. Do not enter. You can't get out.

43. The Salamander's Tale

Comment #133250 by wooter on February 26, 2008 at 1:24 am

He's been around "always", but apparently got bored with bashing the bishop so created everything a few thousand years ago. Makes sense. Sign me up.
{/sarcasm}

Speaking of sarcasm, ( I am trying to be scientific and logical with you but when you push your luck, I would say you started it) let me share my sarcasm with you:

Once upon a time there was a liar. He always lied but his only friend was around him to cover up his liars. Again Liar Liar started lying; He said :this morning there was eggs falling down from sky. His cover-up friend just supported him. It was the eagles that got the eggs from the farm. Another day LIAR LIAR again was at it. He said this morning, I heard the sounds from sky. I guess there were sheep in the sky. Cover up guy just corrected it again, "It was the eagle that took the sheep away from the farm. Another day, it was his habit and he continued, "today I hunted down a bird with my arrow and when I went to take my bird, amazingly, I saw that the bird cooked already, roasted perfectly along with green salad and drink on the table waiting for me. The cover â€"up guy could not take it anymore and said, "Oh man, I covered â€"up you all the time but this time you lied in such a way that neither me nor my logic can cover you up? You have gone too far. You are having fun and enjoying yourself only. Your liars cannot be covered up anymore.

44. The Salamander's Tale

Comment #133247 by wooter on February 26, 2008 at 1:22 am

("Also, God cannot be self-caused nothing can create itself, because that would mean that it existed before it came into existence, which is a logical absurdity."
Can you spot any logical error here?)

God is self evident through his arts â€" different colours of million species, If there is an art , there is an artist . We never say if there is a painting then there is chances and luck that made that painting by chance.

45. Feb 12th: Happy Darwin Day!

Comment #132829 by wooter on February 25, 2008 at 8:52 am

I mean wipeout is innocent. He has nothing with me or anything else. I never threat or intimidate , i have never and i will never. Unfortunately I was threatned already. It is really bad. Anyway, anybody describes his character with his own actions and his wording. I am a peaceful guy living in the light of logic.

46. Feb 12th: Happy Darwin Day!

Comment #132822 by wooter on February 25, 2008 at 8:37 am

To Quetzalcoatal
This is the best you can. Go for it. Anger comes from desperation and hopelessness.If you wanna ban you have start with others and yours first.

Wooter asked a simple logical questions and here are the answers

1. How does E.T explain luck and coincidence or chances that have no consciousness is able to design and create intelligible, conscious creation, human being who can hear, see, feel. Sad or happy?

Atheists are talking; (not answering)

(finally when words completely fail)
I agree logic completely fails through your dodging again.

(But Wooter is an idiot. I'm not just name calling here. Based on what he has written (so badly) I don't think he has the capacity to understand. By Frankus)

Bad words belong to the mouth they pop out so thanks for your describing yourself to us.

(You think god. Then you stop thinking. By reverend)
Lemme say something to you. Maybe reverend reverse your mind, then you can reach logic; You start thinking then you stop being illogical. How does that sound. Does it help? Hope it does.


(Just one question. What would it take to convince you that you are wrong?
What would it take to find logic in evolution theory if there is any(!)


Enough about chit chat. Let's get scientific again. By the way, Rawandi, you are messing up with the wrong guy.

47. The Salamander's Tale

Comment #132783 by wooter on February 25, 2008 at 7:50 am

A tale of possibility versus a tale of impossibility.

If the universe needs a cause, then why doesn't God need a cause? And if God doesn't need a cause, why should the universe need a cause? In reply, Christians should use the following reasoning:
1.Everything which has a beginning has a cause.1
2.The universe has a beginning.
3.Therefore the universe has a cause.
Its important to stress the words in bold type. The universe requires a cause because it had a beginning, as will be shown below. God, unlike the universe, had no beginning, so doesn't need a cause. In addition, Einstein's general relativity, which has much experimental support, shows that time is linked to matter and space. So time itself would have begun along with matter and space.
Since God, by definition, is the creator of the whole universe, he is the creator of time. Therefore He is not limited by the time dimension He created, so has no beginning in time God is the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity (Isaiah 57:15). Therefore He doesn't have a cause.
In contrast, there is good evidence that the universe had a beginning. This can be shown from the Laws of Thermodynamics, the most fundamental laws of the physical sciences.
1st Law: The total amount of mass-energy in the universe is constant.
2nd Law: The amount of energy available for work is running out, or entropy is increasing to a maximum.

If the total amount of mass-energy is limited, and the amount of usable energy is decreasing, then the universe cannot have existed forever, otherwise it would already have exhausted all usable energy the heat death of the universe. For example, all radioactive atoms would have decayed, every part of the universe would be the same temperature, and no further work would be possible.
So the obvious corollary is that the universe began a finite time ago with a lot of usable energy, and is now running down.
Now, what if the questioner accepts that the universe had a beginning, but not that it needs a cause? But it is self-evident that things that begin have a cause no-one really denies it in his heart. All science and history would collapse if this law of cause and effect were denied. So would all law enforcement, if the police didn't think they needed to find a cause for a stabbed body or a burgled house.
Also, the universe cannot be self-caused nothing can create itself, because that would mean that it existed before it came into existence, which is a logical absurdity.

In summary
1.The universe (including time itself) can be shown to have had a beginning.
2. It is unreasonable to believe something could begin to exist without a cause.
3. God, as creator of time, is outside of time. Since therefore He has no beginning in time, He has always existed, so doesn't need a cause.
From Christian answers web page.

48. Feb 12th: Happy Darwin Day!

Comment #132097 by wooter on February 24, 2008 at 7:01 am

Since STILL the monkeys went to the supermarket to BUY RAZORS TO SHAVE to look like human beings(they don't know how to fall out their hair to look like us, and E.T keeps silence, and big frog is still looking for its spot in the evolution tree) you started again exchanging jokes to make sure that E. T safe, let's get serious if you can.

Tony, maybe the following questions/statements can answer your river thing â€" I also mention here the blood, the river of life in our body- . Please I do not mean mock E.T but just these questions are boggling the mind of 84 percent world population as they are believers.

1. How does E.T explain luck and coincidence or chances that have no consciousness is able to design and create intelligible, conscious creation, human being who can hear, see, feel. Sad or happy?

2. How does E.T explain 20 unconscious kinds of enzymes do blood clotting with a correct sequence?

3. How does E.T explain the protein support in blood for each cell according to their specific needs since evolution says each entity is interested in its own benefit- survival of the fittest- why there is a cooperation?

4. Again, how does E.T explain that blood cells recognize oxygen molecules and and carry them to all cells according to their needs? Unconscious chances and being selfish will not explain this design and cooperation?

49. Feb 12th: Happy Darwin Day!

Comment #132095 by wooter on February 24, 2008 at 6:57 am

reverend
(Wooter, you make yourself a target to all those who would seek to educate, enlighten, and bring forward to the 21st century.

(I like these targets; and therefore like you.)

I read your long answers with full of all mazes and dazes in terms of poetry with no sense. Would you please cut to chase and answer my questions with a clear approach and without swearing. I feel that you sound a smart guy, but why don't you think only once?

50. Feb 12th: Happy Darwin Day!

Comment #132011 by wooter on February 23, 2008 at 10:39 pm

radesq

Hmm, well is it a picture from evolution tree, right? I did not know that dogs came from monkeys. Evolution is losing it now. Good riddance.