Comments by IPV4

Comment #161789 by IPV4 on April 15, 2008 at 5:08 pm

FALCON

I thought so, no argument.

Comment #161479 by IPV4 on April 15, 2008 at 10:37 am

So those greedy and heartless car companies rejected the electric car because it would hurt foreign economies? Do you even listen to what you're saying?

It's just not the foreign economies,it's the corporations that make trillions of dollars off this liquid crack. If you don't think power and money which the oil industry has plenty don't write the rules of the game then we need stop this debate. You are are, judging from your rants a right winger and seem to follow the "rush Libaugh" school of thought.

BTW, over 50,000 electric cars exist in America, with an average growth of 30% per year. I guess no one "killed the electric car."

If you consider Goat carts the equivalent to the everyday car then your statistic is valid. These type of vehicles are not the eqivalent to their combustion counter part in size.Walk into your into some dealer near your home and see if you can buy an electric car. I guarantee you cannot.
Wow, you did a wikipedia search and cherry picked information,I am impressed,not(Cherry picking does have a ring of familiarity to it hmm). You lost this debate but continue to be arrogant in the face of the evidence, you should man up and face defeat with honor rather then clinging to your right wing ideology much like a religoius person cling to their beliefs in the face of evidence. It's very ironic on this site to find people like you posting here. Here is some more evidence
http://www.teslamotors.com/
Why hasn't any of the major car manufactures built and sold or mass produced a technology as the one from tesla motors? This is a very miniscule company , surely companies with billion dollar budgets and all that comes with it have the engineers to develope and mass produce quality electric cars.

The same people who staged the Moon landing, I suppose...

You are again being intellectually dishonest or refuse to pay attention to evidence.Fact:" In 1996 The GM ev1 production electric vehicle is made available for consumers at 400 - 500 dollars a month". Surely this is affordable to most Americans yet this was only offered in california and I believe arizona. Here, you do the research and stop bothering me with your weak rebuttals.
research :http://www.sonyclassics.com/whokilledtheelectriccar/electric.html

3. Richard Dawkins and Bill Maher

Comment #161126 by IPV4 on April 14, 2008 at 9:07 pm

IP4: I've heard this argument a million times too. That car companies can build a car that doesn't run on oil but they keep the technology suppressed.

Go see "who killed the electric car" genius. Are you that intellectually lazy that you cannot even do your own research. The information is out their but you choose not find it because it does not fit cleanly into your idea of the world we live in. Let me help you and give you a fact. "The electric car has been around for over "100 YEARS". Draw your own conclusion from this. Oh , by the way Gm is coming out with hybrid electric next year that goes 40 miles on battery before using gas it's called the "VOLT", this technology has existed for quite some time. 10 years prior, they had a pure electric car that they leased but never sold.

Yea....sure. Never mind the fact that a car that doesn't run on oil (or consumes a lot less) would be a modern-day gold mine for the manufacturing companies. But you go ahead and keep believing that there is a massive conspiracy in the works to suppress technology...

Certain coutries economies would cease to exist if oil was no longer being used.

4. Richard Dawkins and Bill Maher

Comment #160153 by IPV4 on April 13, 2008 at 6:19 pm

Colwyn Abernathy

WWeeeeellllll...not necessarily. Just research the short-lived demise of General Motors BRILLIANT little vehicle: the EV-1. It coulda been BIG, coulda been a contender. Those who KNEW about it wanted one. Big ol' waiting list. The infrastructure was ready for California consumers. What did GM do? Offered only leases with no option to buy, scrimped on advertising that was pathetic compared to its Hummer line. We HAVE the technology, consumers that know about it, WANT the technology. Where is it? Why are we wasting time and research on the infeasible hydrogen cell when electricity would be able to fill the gap UNTIL such technology is even remotely feasible? Oh, and the Tesla Roadster? DO WANT! :)

Right, I am very familiar with this car and the next generation version would of blown the doors off the oil industry but they(GM, and the powers that be) never intended to sell them in the first place , that is the reason why as you mentioned they were only leased and only offered in two states.I agree with you in regards with the hydrogen fuel cell , they call this "smoke and mirrors".

5. Richard Dawkins and Bill Maher

Comment #159862 by IPV4 on April 13, 2008 at 9:25 am

For those who keep carrying on about the oil companies and about how the market dictates this or that, is a bunch of bull shit. Oil is the biggest scam of the century. Their is not reason why 80% of cars are not running on batteries. In the U.S.A 70% or all drivers travel less then 40 miles a day. Put that fact in your hat and smoke it. For those who think that if you don't like a product don't buy it, wow, that is very clever of you. The problem is that due some invisible hand certain product don't ever get made. The biggest culprit is called mass manufacturing and only the biggest companies have theh ablities to take advantage of these economies of scale. Go research http://www.teslamotors.com/ which has the technology to put oil companies out of business. Their are other companies such as http://calcars.org/ which are made up of a handful of engineers that are able add a kit to your toyota prius and make it drive 100 to 200mpg. Now why is that the major auto companies with these tremendous R&D budgets not making such vehicles. I can go on and on about technoligies that are easily feasible for the 5 major car companies to create but they don't.

6. Richard Dawkins and Bill Maher

Comment #159643 by IPV4 on April 12, 2008 at 5:19 pm

Your comments are particularly disappointing for someone who was raised a Catholic. To me, a Catholic mass is a splendid synthesis of many branches of the arts, including architecture, drama, music, and literature. Anyone who has witnessed a Catholic rite in a building like St. Peter in Rome must be convinced of this [Yes I know, there are a lot of bad services in ugly church buildings - I don't go there, as I am a cultural Catholic, not a Christian believer]. The Catholic rite, with its Latin prayers, its robes, its historically grown order, is one of the few elements of (late) Ancient Roman culture that we still posses today IN LIVING FORM. To sum this up, the Catholic Church as an institution is as exciting for historians as the discovery of a living prehistoric animal would be for zoologists

You must be kidding me? You are are trolling my friend and are not an atheist. Yes you can respect the architecture , the art and so forth but if you are activley participating in your church traditions as a catholic then you are just feeding the fire and are no better then the actual believers which you probably are.

7. Richard Dawkins and Bill Maher

Comment #159481 by IPV4 on April 12, 2008 at 9:23 am

*brilliant, supposedly funny over-simplification copyrighted by Bill Maher
** my insults to Mr Maher are based on very good evidence: just listen to what the guy says on literally any topic, i.e. religion, Europe, Iraq, his hero George Galloway etc.

Based on good evidence but does not list any.spoken like a true republican.

8. Richard Dawkins and Bill Maher

Comment #159479 by IPV4 on April 12, 2008 at 9:16 am

So what? Should we then endorse every dim witted, obnoxious, attention seeking celebrity who just happens to be an atheist?

No, though I disaggree with you opinion about him , I was just pointing out as an Atheist living in america hearing his left wing perspective and his views on god is unique and a breath of fresh air. Most people that don't approve of him usually are from right wing leanings. Is that the case for you bonzai?

9. Richard Dawkins and Bill Maher

Comment #159457 by IPV4 on April 12, 2008 at 8:26 am

For those who Bash Bill Maher let it be known that he is the only person on TV/Cable in the USA that openly bashes god and religion for what it really is and does it no matter who is on his panel. This is a breath of fresh air in america where discourse on God and religion are held inside an impentrable fortress that know one dares to attack.

10. Sam Harris debate with Rabbi David Wolpe

Comment #108773 by IPV4 on January 7, 2008 at 2:59 pm

344. Comment #108718 by Steve Wrathall on January 7, 2008 at 1:13 pm

As already mentioned the indirect support of these dirty technoligies is far costlier on human beings then you can put a price on it, as well as not cheaper when considering the health care cost of having coal plants and so forth. As far as solar energy they are now becoming competitive.

"If you do the research about electric cars and some of the companies that have the technologies that exist today,"
Some of us want to be able to travel more than 100 km without recharging. If you have this miracle technology in your back pocket, build it.
See, this shows that you are talking without doing the research.

Okay considering 78% of commuters travel less then 40 miles a day I think that would be significantly better(100miles) then supporting rogue regimes with oil money as well as destroy our environment. Besides that, we are beyond that point, have you heard of Tesla motors? You should research them, they sell high end sport electric cars that are a lot costlier then you average car and get more then 300 miles I believe to a charge. They are not the first ones either. The problem is mass manufacturing them so they can become cheaper. How convenient it is that our big auto companies with all the billions of dollars and resources at their disposal as well as huge Research and development labs are not willing to do it.
Take one example the Toyotas prius, great fuel efficiency, but why does it take 3 electrical engineers in a garage to create kits for them so they can get 100-200 miles to a gallon. http://www.calcars.org/about.html
Imagine the resources and talent within the big 3 auto companies and what they are capable of doing. The electric car has been around for over 100 years. A great deal of people are not aware of this fact. Here is another intersting link that you might like it's a guess what? A solar car thats right a solar car imagine that.http://www.physorg.com/news113135176.html
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11. Sam Harris debate with Rabbi David Wolpe

Comment #108653 by IPV4 on January 7, 2008 at 11:44 am

313. Comment #108316 by Steve Wrathall on January 6, 2008 at 1:25 pm
Harris makes a comment to the effect that we don't sacrifice children anymore in the hope that the weather will be changed.
Actually that's exactly what the Kyoto Treaty seeks to do: weaken economies and deny poor countries access to cheap, reliable energy in the belief that the weather 100 years from now will be 0.07 degrees C cooler

Actually scientist's models predicting more than 4 degrees C as average when nothing is done, some models predicting 10 degrees"This is a common sleight of hand: To allude to scientific consensus, and then imply that the most extremist warming predictions are part of that consensus. Your predictions of 4 deg C+ fly in the face of the NO global warming since 1998. These wild projections assume the climate is dominated by positive feedback. Over 3 billion years of life support shows the opposite is true.

Wow, I hate to throw labels here but you sound like a typical American conservative with your pro-oil stance. Based on your statements it is apparent that you have been thoroughly brain washed (much like religious people) to think that oil or coal is the answers to poor countries, which I find to be just ludicrous. I believe this shows your lack of research in alternative energy and where were are today with them , as well as the efficiency that have been gained in just that last few years. There are different arguments here at play but let's just take oil. Most people don't have the slightest idea of the indirect cost the to American tax payer to use oil in cars. Part of the cost includes wars and the largest and most expensive military in the history of the world. You think you're just paying 100 dollars a barrel for oil, is a joke, you are paying triple that which would make most alternative energies completely feasible in America. Bottom line is, oil is not needed to fuel the majority of American vehicles period. If you do the research about electric cars and some of the companies that have the technologies that exist today, you will find this to be true.

12. Sam Harris debate with Rabbi David Wolpe

Comment #108569 by IPV4 on January 7, 2008 at 8:58 am

Sam, keep up the good fight, I love these debates. I honestly believe that wolpe does not believe his own bullshit but has invested too much of his life to it to turn back.

13. Ayaan Hirsi Ali versus Timothy Garton Ash

Comment #97962 by IPV4 on December 12, 2007 at 10:11 pm

I love the way that timothy inaccuratley presumes that beheading apostastes is not in the Koran. What a crock of shit. Do your homework Tim before making outlandish claims less you sound like an islamic apologist.

14. This deadly religious resistance to vaccinations

Comment #97812 by IPV4 on December 12, 2007 at 5:07 pm

This is why we have to fight the good fight as long as it takes and to never become complacent. This is going to take many years but it is a fight that has to be fought ,we must keep putting peoples religous beliefs under a microscope of ridicule where it belongs.

15. An Open Letter to Richard Dawkins

Comment #97645 by IPV4 on December 12, 2007 at 1:20 pm

Comment #96623 by Atticus_of_Amber on December 10, 2007 at 7:09 pm

Good job on your letter, I think you did a fine job expressing your thoughts against his shortcomings.

16. Daniel Dennett Debates Dinesh D'Souza

Comment #94053 by IPV4 on December 4, 2007 at 4:39 pm

I love Daniel Dennets insights on atheism and such but do think he handled this debate poorly with Dinesh. I feel that he could done alot better at calling Dinesh out on his stupifying analogies such as the one when he compares the intellect of a human to that of a animal His reasoning that we will never understand the mysteries of God just like the way a dog will never understand calculus,something to that effect.

17. Stem cell breakthrough

Comment #90747 by IPV4 on November 26, 2007 at 8:50 am

This is excellent work done by the japanese scientist but to bad the religous right as well as right wing politicians in the U.S.are already saying "I told you so".

18. Romney's Mormonism is fair game

Comment #89726 by IPV4 on November 21, 2007 at 3:37 pm

There are only two Republicans in the race that would not be total disasters, possibly worse than Bush, and they are McCain and Romney.

I'm a New Yorker and still think Rudy would be a horrible president even though he wasnt too bad as our mayor.

19. Ayaan Hirsi Ali: abandoned to fanatics

Comment #77740 by IPV4 on October 10, 2007 at 11:25 am

I concur with Bonzai's assessment.Well said.

20. Ayaan Hirsi Ali: abandoned to fanatics

Comment #77707 by IPV4 on October 10, 2007 at 8:42 am

So a free enterprise, economic forum, have the former head of the World Bank on board...shock horror!

Some of us think that reflects well on the AEI, some of us, heaven forbid, think rather well of Paul Wolfowitz...Golly gosh, there are people who are atheists who have differing views on economics and politics... not all atheists are Lefties....surprise, surprise!

If you don't like Hirsi Ali's politics that's fine. She is however a self declared atheist, an apostate and outspoken critique of Islam. She is at very real risk of attack from Koranic literalist Muslims. She should be protected; the Dutch government's stance on this has been nothing less than disgraceful.

All power to the AEI for sponsoring Hirsi Ali and providing her with a platform.

We as Atheist have a rational response to why we don't believe in god, zeus, thor, fairy tales because their is no evidence that any of these flying fairies exist, evidence is the operable word here. History and evidence has proven that Paul Wolfowitz and his Ilk responsible for the misery of millions of people. Surpise, surprise this is not a left or right issue this is a matter of looking at the evidence and of the plethora of facts that exist. It's funny when people spout distaste with a political figure they are automatically labeled as left or right.

21. Ayaan Hirsi Ali: abandoned to fanatics

Comment #77593 by IPV4 on October 9, 2007 at 7:33 pm

American Enterprise Institute includes such people as Paul Wolfowitz (visiting scholar) and Lynne Cheney, Dick Cheney's wife.

Yes, those three are intellectual giants.LOl.

22. Ayaan Hirsi Ali: abandoned to fanatics

Comment #77570 by IPV4 on October 9, 2007 at 5:42 pm

Thanks DEEP13 for educating those that did not know what the american enterpirise group stood for. And I aslo happen to agree with BAEOZ who says that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".

23. Ayaan Hirsi Ali: abandoned to fanatics

Comment #77544 by IPV4 on October 9, 2007 at 3:30 pm

I still need an explanation why she, while protesting against Muslim extremists, worked for Christian extremists, American Enterprise Institute?

Yes, I am quite curious about this myself.

24. The Price of Freedom

Comment #77457 by IPV4 on October 9, 2007 at 11:06 am

JIMBOB,

Your right , what I did was a cheap shot but I could not resist given the reasons given by Keith for why Hitchens thought it was a good reason to go invade another country that never attacked us or for that matter was never a threat to us. It appears these answers were taken right out the talking points of a popular right wing neocon radio host in the U.S. called Rush Limbaugh or the fox news chanell.

"Just let me give you one or two pointers why Hitchens might have supported the invasion. Whereas some people like to depict this decision as being either for war or for peace (just read the peace marchers' banners), others have depicted it as war on the one hand versus continued torture of the Iraqi population"

Based on this sentence then we might as well be fighting a majority of the countries in the Middle East. Right, we took out a dictator and torturer that we put in power supported, armed and was a one time ally. Now you have displaced millions of people to this ill conceived war. Most Iraqis consider Saddams rule Disney land compared to what they have here now. Non existent electricity , non existent clean running water and so forth.

"the continuation of sanctions leading to millions of deaths, especially children"
Lets see now, who created the sanctions? We saw that the sanctions were not working so he could be argued that the someone else holds some responsibility to these deaths. C'mon become more original with your thoughts. You spout all the talking points that were propagandized prior to run up to the war. Millions are suffering around the world and the world Governments are paralyzed to do a dam thing! It's only due to progressive activist that we see anything going on in Darfur. Here is a genocide that requires actual armed conflict to stop the mass killing of 2 million people yet we can't get our act together and help these poor people outside of some charities and political activism. Millions of died in other wars in Africa and in other places but we don't do a dam THING! So to bring up the suffering of Iraq as a reason to invade a country is just ridiculous when looked at in a greater context to what's going on in the world today

"Saddam continuing not to cooperate with the weapons inspectors and noting that there are no repercussions to this from the UN and presumably drawing his own conclusions from this fact (as would the rest of the (Islamic) world);"
Yes , this was a good reason to invade a country to displace millions and kill hundreds of thousands. It has been documented by the inspectors themselves that he did NOT have any ability to produce weapons of mass destruction. North Korea has the bomb and has half of their population starving to death yet you feel the need to invade Iraq who was not a threat to anyone but his people and possible Israel. The big difference of the two countries has to do with what you put in your car.OIL! Alan Greenspan just recently said same thing , if Iraq did not have oil we would have nothing to do with it… it's that simple.

" Saddam continuing to support terrorism;"

Yes, and the U.S is a key ally to country that causes 50% of the suicide bombings in the Iraq. Maybe you have heard of this country it's called Saudi Arabia. His support of terrorism was nothing in comparison to Saudi Arabia. Al Qaeda never liked Saddam as far as they were concerned he was too secular.

"the idea that perhaps the coalition could achieve what it had done in northern Iraq ten years earlier, which is now a well-functioning state."

Yes what you fail to realize was that these people where of one ethnicity they call themselves Kurds sir. And what you have today in Iraq is called a civil war due to the different ethnic and religious factions. Saddam strong armed policy which was supported by Americans because he was able to control them through as you have already mentioned his torture and killing tactics which is why the CIA loved this man until they were no longer able to control him.

The thing to remember is that inaction also has its consequences and although you might have had a clear conscience opposing the war you would at the same time have been responsible for keeping a steady flow of Iraqis going through Saddam's torture chambers.
So now they go through U.S torture chambers , what are you talking about? Have you been a republican induced Coma for that last 5 years? We would of made Saddam proud in the way we are now able to induce torture on a mass scale.
"In retrospect, this seems a very small trade off for the catastrophic mess that Iraq now finds itself in, but it was a trade off all the same. Four years ago, would you have spent sleepless nights worrying about some poor forgotten sod rotting in an Iraqi jail because you had opted to keep him there? I suspect not. Out of sight, out of mind, eh? "

But the CIA torture chamber are like a 5 star hotel.

"I just voted for peace".

Doesn't sound like it.

I apologize to everyone on this thread to continue this argument and would leave now leave it alone, being that this not the proper place. but spending time in Iraq and seeing the atrocities first hand makes it kind of personal when people spout the propaganda that has gotten us into this war in the first place. If people feel the need to continue to correspond with me regarding this matter then please feel free to send me a private message.

25. The Price of Freedom

Comment #77410 by IPV4 on October 9, 2007 at 8:25 am

Keith,

Spoken like a true neocon.

26. The Price of Freedom

Comment #77213 by IPV4 on October 8, 2007 at 7:29 pm

This man is a genius in my eyes when it comes to leading the Atheist cause but recently I have read some of articles defending the Iraq war and the so called weapon of mass destruction ... and I'm like this can't be the same person. He needs to come clean on his barbaric need to see hundreds of thousand of people die for lies. I know I'm going to get a bunch of shit about how this is brought up every time he is on Dawkins site but it's really unreal because hearing him talk so eloquently on philosophy , relgion and so forth you have to be taken back with his arsenal of words and facts that hang so effortlessly from his tongue and think that this man is brilliant. But then you read these articles about the Iraq war and you become dumbfounded in disbelief. As atheist we pride ourselves on believing what is real and what is not , what can't be proved and what can. When don't take things at face value we are constantly in search for the truth and just don't follow the mob mentality. It appears in Hitchens case that he has more faith then what he leads us to believe, case in point the weapons of mass destruction that where never found even after the evidence and testimony by experts and military Generasl in the U.S. armed forces stating that Sadam did not have this capability but yet still richard (Even Bush concedes this point) believes blindly in defiance of the facts. Did I mention that he was a remarkable Atheist though.

27. Interview with Richard Dawkins

Comment #76624 by IPV4 on October 6, 2007 at 1:07 pm

Where is the rest of this interview? It sounds like this clip was cut short.

28. The Paradoxical Hatred of Christopher Hitchens

Comment #43074 by IPV4 on May 20, 2007 at 12:53 pm

To Fanusi Khiyal:

What are you smoking their were other countries in the world that were a bigger threat to the USA then sadamm, even if he had the weapons of mass destruction. Please do some more research.

29. The Paradoxical Hatred of Christopher Hitchens

Comment #42968 by IPV4 on May 20, 2007 at 6:57 am

I have take my hat off to Mr. Hitchens, he can really articulate his points better then most. He truly debates with unflinching conviction and with the knowledge and facts to back it up. Please see the debate with Sean Hannity who usually stomps his opponents with his political debates but on this night he does not stand a chance. The American media as a whole are treating this man(Falwell) like he was the second coming. All he was, was an overpaid charlatan and cultist who continued to make bigoted statements throughout his career in which Hitchens tries to point out lest people forget. See link below for debate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doKkOSMaTk4

30. Christopher Hitchens on Religion

Comment #39736 by IPV4 on May 11, 2007 at 7:13 pm

I love the debates, keep them coming, it shows the empty arguments from the religous. Like this man or not but he's definitely getting the message out there. I think this this a wonderful strategy , every 3 months we need to have an atheist to come out with a new book to keep this in the media spotlight because so far its working very well. I can hear the deist shaking in their boots now. I don't think their was a time in the worlds history where religion has been under attack as it is now. Call me optimistic but I see this fight taking a turn for the better. And the internet is definitely playing a huge role in it.

31. Lou Dobbs Interviews Christopher Hitchens

Comment #37614 by IPV4 on May 5, 2007 at 11:21 am

Wow, I was taken back at this interview for the simple fact that here you have a major american news Anchor openley discussing and for that matter supporting a book that is titled "God is not great" I think is watershed moment in American cable news. I think that Lou Dobbs will be out of a job by the end of the month depending on how many religious nut bags in this country caught the interview. I tip my to Lou Dobbs even though I don't agree with many of his views but he truly is an independant becuase he does not tow a particular party line he is all over the map.

32. Bill Maher - APATHEIST

Comment #35613 by IPV4 on April 27, 2007 at 9:30 pm

For those who are Ragging on Bill Maher, well I could only say this is that he is the only one on national american Tv/cable that has the balls to batch religion and he does so almost on a weekly basis.

33. Atheists split on how to not believe

Comment #34125 by IPV4 on April 23, 2007 at 10:02 am

The reason why their are such excessive and inappropriate use of the word MILITANT atheist is because we are no longer in the closet about it, and are willing to challenge the theist on their baseless claims and agenda's. We are now more vocal then ever before, and with good reason. They are not use to seeing atheism being covered by the mainstream media such as on the Bill O'Reilly show which is airing tonight. They are not use to this type of logical reasoning that call into question their fairy tale beliefs or how they cannot differentiate the validity of Zeus to the validity of the God of Abraham to use Sam's analogy. Some people ask well, why do you want to take away some peoples belief in God being that this may be their only source of meaning and relief being that a good portion of the world population live in poverty. I say to them let them continue to believe ,but lets have make sure the next generation of children have the means to all the information out their so maybe they will not be as easily indoctrinated. This is not a bullet proof strategy as we well know that there are many educated people that still believe(not to mention Scientist,which shows the power of indoctrination), even though there is not one iota of evidence to substantiate any religion that is in use today. But I think that we are off to a good start in getting the word out, this will take years but at least its finally out their. Imagine if we did not have the internet how hard this would be , or how we would not have much of a voice in the matter. I strongly believe this is the start of a new era and that Pandora's box has been opened for all to see. Call me optimistic but that fact that Dawkins book has been on the NYTIMES best seller for over 30 weeks is a reason to celebrate, keep up the good fight Richard.

34. The God Debate

Comment #29247 by IPV4 on April 2, 2007 at 8:26 am

To add insult to injury people you should check out the lastest newsweek poll showing how religious america is... it very disheartening to say the least
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17879317/site/newsweek/

35. US TV Commercial for The God Delusion during Countdown with Keith Olbermann

Comment #26527 by IPV4 on March 20, 2007 at 6:01 am

I love it. That commercial must of made the fundies go mad being on mainstream tv and all.

36. US Congressman Holds No God-Belief

Comment #25391 by IPV4 on March 12, 2007 at 9:42 pm

Finally a congressman with some balls!

37. Dawkins v. Collins Debate

Comment #23462 by IPV4 on February 28, 2007 at 11:13 pm

What I can't understand is the great lengths that people go through with theist to disprove God existence or just the basic argument against them. The burden of proof is not on the atheist but on the believer. If I propose that I have telepathic powers and can read someone else's mind, isn't it quite preposterous that I should expect people to just trust me that I have these powers or have faith in these powers because I believe them to be true with all mind ,body and soul. You need to prove empirically in a controlled environment that you have these abilities.( By the way , http://www.randi.org/ for those that don't know him, has put up one million dollars to anyone on earth that can prove they have any paranormal abilities. So far the biggest named psychics such as James van Prague, Sylvia brown have declined his challenge. Plenty of other nut jobs have made a stab at it with dismal results.) Other wise people would and should think you belong in an insane asylum. I think we spend too much time entertaining irrational arguments. To say that constants in our universe were to perfect to happen on their own and not by chance is just nonsense. How does this concept reveal the existence of God? In this case the Christian God. The constant rambling can be cut down to size by just saying WHERE IS YOUR PROOF. PROVE THAT JESUS WAS THE SON OF GOD THAT HE WAS DIVINE AND PERFORMED MIRACLES. MATTER OF FACT SHOW ME ANYTHING. Your proposing he(GOD) exist. okay I'll bite , where is he, can you call him for me, can you make him shoot out a bolt of lighting. How is your God anymore relevant then the Hindu Gods, Muslim god, Thor, Odin, Loki, Athena and so forth. Next time an you becomes embattled in an argument with a theist you should say no I'm not an atheist I'm a firm believer in Zeus. Can they honestly say well that's not a real God? And if they do they fall into a trap. Because they will be forced to use the bible as their source of evidence as to why they are valid and your not, and we all know how good that book was written.All this talk about universes, constants, Altruism, and life give no evidence of a deity. For Christ sake let stop over analyzing this crap and stop making it more then what it is. To argue a mute point for over a half hour almost gives validity to the theists perspective. In my mind this dry and cut. I should not have to go into defending "well your science makes some claims that can be empirically proven". Maybe I'm having a bad day and I'm just venting but it appears that were engaging in juvenile debates that should be more easily won.

38. Atheists come in last

Comment #22843 by IPV4 on February 23, 2007 at 2:44 pm

I know this article is unrelated but needs to be posted on the RD website. Its about the egyptian that is getting 4 years in prison for bashing islam on a blog. I believe this country is also an american ally. Isn't that a bit critical for Bush to spread democracy in Irag but yet one of his major allies violates many of the democratic tenets?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/22/AR2007022200269.html

39. Presentation on Atheism

Comment #22704 by IPV4 on February 20, 2007 at 10:52 pm

That was pretty cool!

40. Richard Dawkins interview with Paula Zahn

Comment #22246 by IPV4 on February 13, 2007 at 5:08 pm

The woman representing Atheist was a horrible representative for us non-theist. It so sad that she was not able to speak in a sound manner.

41. Debate between Sam Harris and Reza Aslan

Comment #22097 by IPV4 on February 12, 2007 at 10:53 pm

I'm not sure where Reza stands in all this? He makes claims such as "most christians don't believe in literal interpretation, thats just silly". Im sorry they dont? They dont believe in communion, they dont believe that Jesus was the son of man. Where does he get this from? He also states that their are plenty of christians that don't believe that Jesus is God. Let me see I think even I can figure this one out....if you dont believe that Jesus is God (son of God) then your not Christian, its as simple as that I believe. Though Christians actually believe that God, jesus and the holy spirit are majically one entity.
I would of wished to see Sam really get on him when he mentioned that Sam was being intellectually dishonest and was taking a simplistic view of religion. No sir, Im sorry, religion is extremely simplistic ,too bad you are not able to see the light if you know what I mean.
I mean was their any real reasoning going on on reza's part?

42. Panel discussion on atheism where no atheists are included

Comment #21059 by IPV4 on February 7, 2007 at 12:48 pm

People,
Here is a prime reason why we need to stick together and support each other in any way possible. This woman had a Pulitzer Prize (which I thought was a joke, until I goggled her) and her best argument was to say that we should SHUT UP! This is unreal, this group sounded like a bunch of fourth graders arguing over a topic that they know nothing about. They just can't stand for their religion to be scrutinized. It was very clear that Karen Hunter was extremely angry.

43. 'God Is Not a Moderate'

Comment #18097 by IPV4 on January 18, 2007 at 9:38 am

Talking about blowing holes through ones argument. Let's see what kind of verbal gymnastics Andrew Sullivan performs in defense of his sinking or should I say sunk argument for his mythical , cherry picking belief in Christianity. Andrew you need to see through this façade of religion, I believe you use this a crutch in your life like a person uses a psychiatrist for mental well being,(this is my personal opinion) but then you must state this as so. Please look at the Biblical inaccuracies and contradictory statements in the Bible and not just cherry pick as Sam mentioned the nice things the Bible says, I mean have you read the Bibles from cover to cover and studied it? I'm going to venture out and say that you didn't because how can you defend in any form a book that Promotes slavery , its just abominable. I'm positive their aren't many religious people out there today that know what Gods take on slavery is, especially African Americans who in the U.S.A have a very strong religious constituency and who have suffered graveley from slavery as result of the BIble. Yes we can argue that their were many factors for slavery but a strong one for keeping it around and vibrant was God or should I say what some man wrote in the old testament.

44. Can Jews and Evangelicals Get Along?

Comment #17958 by IPV4 on January 17, 2007 at 5:34 pm

Don't know why this a good article for this site, besides the fact that these religios fundies are attacking each other now.

45. Federal Way schools restrict Gore film

Comment #17957 by IPV4 on January 17, 2007 at 5:29 pm

Scott,
Your another guy that does not get it, sorry. How you can you pronouce people to be objective and reasonable and then show us a link from a Goverment website. Please, Big Coporations run our politicians , and it would be in their financial favor to oppose any changes such as the fuel you burn in your car and the dirty power plants that give you your electricity in your home and so forth. Do you think it's coincidence that were in Iraq(oil)or a coincidence that GM (who killed the electric car.) does not have an electric car today but propose one to be made in 2010 that is not as good as the one they leased to people in 96' even though their has been great advances in battery technology.

46. Federal Way schools restrict Gore film

Comment #17795 by IPV4 on January 16, 2007 at 2:26 pm

To Dreamer DIlemma,

Dude, do you live in a cave? This is not even a debate anymore! Even Exxon has recently stopped donating money for their disinformation campaign. Have you wathched the movie? I'm going to say no, for the simple reason is that Gore makes a powerfull scientific case for his position, what is yours for denying it.

47. Federal Way schools restrict Gore film

Comment #17379 by IPV4 on January 13, 2007 at 6:49 am

This article sums up our struggle in a nutshell. We must lobby the U.S congress and fight the powers that propagate false beliefs of fairy tale myths as facts. The American political system loves it when their constituents are dumb as dirt. People we need to organize and fight to prevent the brain washing of future generations of children or the result will be what we are reading in this article. "The Bible says" give me a freaking break.

48. Atheists challenge the religious right

Comment #16172 by IPV4 on January 5, 2007 at 7:58 am

MeIM,
Thanks for the link to that video. All I can say is wow that was awe inspiring. . This woman has a set of nuts on her, to say this on show that is seen by Muslims world wide (And to openly criticize Islam). She is without a doubt fearless.