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Comment #162598 by Philip1978 on April 17, 2008 at 5:52 am
Sargeist
I think you are right, the moderates ARE lovely people, flippin heck I know loads of them.
Drives me up the wall too, especially the Christenings, I sit there positively seething with contempt. But these guys are my friends, despite their batshit ideas I love them dearly.
My take on it is that religious IDEAS are the problem, spread enough of these stupid ideas and stupid stuff begins to happen. People start acting with an authority they don't have, this can spread into law, politics, medicine etc and that is when it gets dangerous and harmful.
The people are good people, its the religious ideas that are the problem, if the ideas are proved to have faults and the people realise this, then they are still that lovely person. I want people to have better ideas than God but I refuse to force it on them. A fundy wants to force it on me because of the mad authority he got from twisting a moderates silly ideas!
I don't claim to know quite what the right ideas are to have but I can guess not invoking a God's authority is a decent start!
Philip
552. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #162588 by Philip1978 on April 17, 2008 at 5:19 am
Epeeist
I think Jon Sociologist said something about Wooter being Russian, I doubt RM is!
RM on the plus side at least knows what syntax and sentence structure is, Wooter is not the world best communicator at the best of times!
:)
Philip
553. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #162469 by Philip1978 on April 17, 2008 at 2:33 am
Egomaniac
I see you have begun to praise Quetz, its a good sign!
554. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #162430 by Philip1978 on April 17, 2008 at 12:30 am
Cartomancer
Nice scarf!
Clodhopper,
People do the oddest things when thinking under the influence of Gods, wasn't there that guy who ran out onto a Formula 1 race track, cars hurtling towards him at ridiculous speeds and claiming God told him to? He must have convinced authorities with that one because he was back later on at some marathon event and stopped the lead runner because God told him to again!
My conclusion from that is that God was trying to tell us that Formula one racing and long distance running has something wrong with it!
Plus don't get me started with those stupid buggers who actually lobby to get themselves in on a chance to replay the crucifixion FOR REAL! Actually whipped, crown of thorns, nailed up on the cross etc
You are right people do get impaled on their own vanity....!! :)
Sorry, I'll get my coat, TAXI!
Philip
555. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #162141 by Philip1978 on April 16, 2008 at 8:14 am
it's gonna take more than a few choccy sprinkles and an injection of hot milk to get us frothing with excitement
556. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #162110 by Philip1978 on April 16, 2008 at 7:11 am
Sargeist
I have nothing against Coffee, Coffee is excellent, love the Costa Rican stuff - (Though I did hear that somewhere in London they are selling Cat Shit Coffee for £50 a cuppa, I mean really, people will drink anything these days!!)
I just so happen to be a fraction more of a Tea freak! :)
Philip
557. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #162096 by Philip1978 on April 16, 2008 at 6:47 am
Ah yes, before I forget, all those people who said they would pray for me, I have something to say on the matter.
I deny the Holy Ghost, Jesus and God!
Right, thats that sorted, I am hell bound and there aint a thing you can do about it!
Still praying for me now?
Philip
558. Religious education as a part of literary culture
Comment #162044 by Philip1978 on April 16, 2008 at 3:50 am
Wooter,
Please can you answer the question I gave you, I made an honest inquiry, I promise I will not tease you or make fun of anything you say, I just want to know if you drink Tea and what your favourite is?
Philip
559. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #162002 by Philip1978 on April 16, 2008 at 1:56 am
Good morning Irate, I hope you have had a pleasant cup of Tea this morning, my very best regards to your wife and Irate Jnr!
That is an interesting post from RM,
Efforts like those made by Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris are enormously useful in helping people who are in the process of curing themselves, or of being cured of their neuroses.
560. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #161986 by Philip1978 on April 16, 2008 at 1:11 am
Quetz,
I am not sad about RM, its what he wanted, he is a grown man I say good hunting to him. I don't understand his reasoning or his sudden conversion to Jesus when he was one of the more outspoken on the subject of religion but so be it. I imagine David is going to mention this at some point in his usual affable style, but I am not in the least bit bothered.
Hows the head this morning Kardy?
:)
Philip
561. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #161725 by Philip1978 on April 15, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Kardashovel
I am a bit new at this but I will give it a go, Steve or Billy please help me out if I arse this up!
This is how I understand it
You can breed a dog, cow, horse etc which have all the good characteristics that you are looking for, you can essentially make sure the right genes are passed over to the future generations until you have what you are looking for. You can basically force the outcome of this by sending the rubbish animals away and keeping the good ones - that in a very small, possibly badly explained way, is how I see Artificial Selection at work - you are the overseer in all this.
Natural Selection however is just that, Nature does the choosing of what gets to stay and what doesn't, thats why around 99% of all animals that ever existed on this lovely planet never made it this far. There is no picking and choosing, there is no pattern to it whatsoever and as Steve said, you might just as well watch the TV for all the hope of getting God to appear in it.
Douglas Adams said this in a speech called Is there an artificial God?
"Take a very simple example, maybe a bunch of animals suddenly finds itself in a place where the weather is slightly colder. We know that in a few future generations those genes that favour a thicker coat will have come to the fore"
Now tell me, how does God need to fit into any of this at all?
The cold weather was his idea? The animals with the genes that didn't favour fur coats get buggered if I am not mistaken but he favours those with the fur coat gene...whats the point?
Why not just make sure the weather stays the right way for the right animal to live in? Sod all this chopping and changing lark! Isn't that a bit of rubbish and convoluted way of going about showing God was somehow involved here? I know the old bugger moves in mysterious ways but killing off most of your creations like that comes close to what Eddie Izzard calls the "etcha sketch end of the world!"
"Ahhh bugger it!" said God as he shook the screen to clear it!
I don't buy it, not for one second does any of it make any sense with a god involved, its too complicated, ambiguous and just well, highly improbable - why not just have evolution with Natural Selection at the helm, it works so well, its not that complicated is it? This way there is no need for any "thing" to be involved - God cannot be an artificial selector, not on a planet with such an abundance of life on it - think of all the work that requires!
Having a God pitch up and "Kabloooey" its all there, no need to bugger with the climate, every animal is where it should be, that would rule out the need for drastic things like ice ages, meteors, earthquakes, volcanoes, droughts, floods - every ecological, natural disaster imaginable would be completely pointless.
Natural Selection explains how life came to be if a God wasn't there tinkering with it, it just took a bloody long time!
Hows that?
:)
Philip
562. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #161655 by Philip1978 on April 15, 2008 at 1:28 pm
Ah I see, there are some lovely people in this world, you know Strength, people like you make me laugh so much! Makes me proud to be a non believer it really does!
I mean really, you can't spell your god's name without fear of the kind, loving God wanting to roast your balls over the coals, doesn't he like seeing his own name written?
Oh yes, Praying for us is REALLY going to help isnt it!
What precisely do you hope to accomplish with that? Is it somehow going to stop you from going to hell or something?
"Well g_d, we did our best to convert the @ssholes, but for some reason our abuse and lack of knowledge of evolution somehow didn't wash with the filthy non- believers!"
Give me a break, what did you hope to accomplish by this little raid of yours?
Next time, read a book on evolution, as I said earlier, there are some experts on this site who could correct any mistakes.
Also, check out what atheism is and far removed it is from Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Mau, Kim Yong Il and his dead President father.
Learn some manners, that would be a really good start if you want to talk to anyone, you would be surprised how much further you can get without sounding like a religious fanatic!
Ah yes, one final thing, none of us are in the slightest bit afraid of you, god, the devil, hell, or any threat you can come up with that involves the heathens getting hurt in anyway. I personally could not give a shit about any of it, its pathetic, using non-existent things as threats doesn't really make me tremble!
You want a discussion about a decent subject, please, by all means, I am more than happy to type about about it.
So, whats it to be?
Philip
563. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #161436 by Philip1978 on April 15, 2008 at 9:41 am
strength
I am impressed by your anger, God, or G-d, would be proud of you for swearing and ranting at us like that, what happened to being nice to everyone? ( G-d??? What is that by the way, are you so scared of your god that you can't even type his name?)
Please, do NOT compare anyone who does not believe in the same god that you do with Hitler, apologise at once. I think its highly insulting and I would not advise you go any further which such ludicrous suggestions.
If you want to chat properly, I am sure someone will chat but sod off if you are going to make trouble, you obviously dont understand what non belief is about and you certainly have a strange and highly wrong view of evolution, should you want it explained to you, I am sure we can help you out with it, there are enough experts on this site to do that.
Your choice, you get trolled, or you get a decent conversation!
Philip
564. Religious education as a part of literary culture
Comment #161255 by Philip1978 on April 15, 2008 at 4:32 am
Irate
Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind! :)
Back on topic, this one interests me, I think I have fully read the Bible twice - never again, it is a dreary book. Saying that, I have a great fascination with literature, I love Shakespeare (Sorry Robotaholilc!) I love The Iliad and the Odyssey, I love John Keats poems - the list is endless.
In short its almost essential when reading great works from the olde days to find more about how the writer was inspired, should you so want to. People studying these subjects should have access to works like the Bible or Eygptian Book of the Dead or the Qu'ran etc if it is and aid to discovering the intent of the author or poet. So what if it is religious, doesn't make the subject or author any less interesting.
Philip
565. Religious education as a part of literary culture
Comment #161244 by Philip1978 on April 15, 2008 at 4:11 am
Wooter,
This is an honest inquiry, do you drink Tea?
Philip
566. The simple falsehood at the heart of Expelled
Comment #161208 by Philip1978 on April 15, 2008 at 3:12 am
Steve
I know people usually don't manage to get my heckles up, but I am quite frankly not having people like David saying that precisely because I don't believe in their religion I am wrong and at fault. Not believing in all that somehow, by default, makes me a bad person - in David's case I even have the potential to do something as despicable as what the Nazis are said to have done.
That to me reeks of arrogance and self importance and I am not going to stand for it - I strive very hard to be who I am because I want to, I hope on the whole I have made a load of people smile and have helped them because I am a kind enough, good mannered person. I am not perfect and never will be but I sure as hell am not doing this out of some arrogant belief that this makes me more special "in the eyes of my atheism". That makes no more sense than doing good things "in the eyes of THE LORD THY GOD".
I didn't explain myself well enough earlier and I agree with your correction, cheers. Must be lack of Tea or lack of music blaring in my ears, both can be adjusted soon! :)
I have been reading Climbing Mount Improbable a bit more recently and evolution is starting to make more and more sense to me. This one is taking a long time because I want to learn about it properly, there may be questions later I tell you!. Stuff about the differences between Artificial Selection and Natural Selection are becoming more apparent to me, its jolly interesting stuff. This wiffle about Hitler using Darwinian "Natural" selection does not make any sense at all, does this mean I am learning stuff?
Right, less ranting, more tea and good music!
Cheers
Philip
567. The simple falsehood at the heart of Expelled
Comment #161182 by Philip1978 on April 15, 2008 at 2:29 am
I am not saying that all atheism leads to such disasters as Nazism. Although I do work on the maxim that you shall know them by their fruits. So far the only societies in the world that have claimed to be atheist have not been an inspiring example.
568. Richard Dawkins and Bill Maher
Comment #160354 by Philip1978 on April 14, 2008 at 1:37 am
Its Ok Quetz,
He will never have the following you have acquired neither can he spell The Name properly!
Philip
569. The List: The World's Worst Religious Leaders
Comment #159449 by Philip1978 on April 12, 2008 at 8:09 am
Bluebird
Thats no 10 Gallon thats for sure, from what I understand of the origins of the famous cowboy hat it might come from the Spanish, tan galan, "so gallant", the pope is the least gallant human being I know of!
570. Richard Dawkins on The Big Questions
Comment #159438 by Philip1978 on April 12, 2008 at 7:40 am
You have a brain?
571. Richard Dawkins on The Big Questions
Comment #159435 by Philip1978 on April 12, 2008 at 7:37 am
My goodness ASMarques have you been taking laxatives? That last post much have you down to the size of a match box right now!
1) Perhaps partly because the German government is formed by folks as naive and ignorant Holocaust-wise as many other ordinary mortals corrupted by religious dogma and the pathos of Jewish suffering.
572. Fleabytes
Comment #159430 by Philip1978 on April 12, 2008 at 7:18 am
My sincere apologies Cartomancer, I know you are a sophisticated gent and your loquacity far outdoes any gutter influenced ramblings of mine own!
I shall deny myself a cup of tea in penance!
573. Fleabytes
Comment #159427 by Philip1978 on April 12, 2008 at 7:12 am
Ah, I listen to him between all the other ghastly cacophonies that manage to offend other people's ears that emanate from my music collection!
I am a big fan though, saw him in concert at Wembley Arena last year, belting stuff! Bless him he even set fire to the Bible on stage!
Robotaholic obviously has the same sophisticated taste as I have, I commend his efforts!
574. Ancient serpent shows its leg
Comment #159418 by Philip1978 on April 12, 2008 at 6:54 am
I wont believe its the original snake from the Bible till they confirm the vocal chords as well as the legs!
:)
575. Fleabytes
Comment #159415 by Philip1978 on April 12, 2008 at 6:42 am
I keep thinking of the word genitals but thats just my filthy, delinquent and substandard mind at work, must be all that Marilyn Manson I listen to! I can hardly imagine Cartomancer wants to wish Geoff such a birthday greeting!
I still haven't the foggiest as to what it means, even Google is saying such a word does not exist! :)
Philip
576. Fleabytes
Comment #159411 by Philip1978 on April 12, 2008 at 6:16 am
Cartomancer
You have stumped me, what does genethilic mean? I only ask because its the sort of word I would love to bring up in conversation! :)
Philip
577. Inadequate, private and late apology with grotesquely inadequate excuse
Comment #159410 by Philip1978 on April 12, 2008 at 6:12 am
Dr Benway
I agree, this woman has taken a post of responsibility which she then has to uphold lest the people that voted her in can vote the obnoxious wench straight back out.
She is relied on as supposedly a "professional", public official to go about her duties in a manner which represents her post. She knows the rules, she should know the consequences of her actions when she does something as pathetic and nonsensical as froth about something not related to what she is supposed to be there for ( in other words, something religious!)
If she arses it all up by frothing at somebody for no good reason then she should reap the consequences. She is not entitled to say to a witness in a fraud case that he is not allowed to be an atheist, its got bugger all to do with her job, bugger all to do with the case at hand and bugger all to do with her what Sherman believes in or not. She can speak her mind, as Dr B rightly says, if she is a citizen, Ms Davis, yep, sure, she can froth all she likes, I encourage it. Reprehensible, sorry, Representative Davis can keep her big mouth shut about religion when she is supposed to be doing her job!
Yikes, I might need more tea,; that sounded almost like me ranting, Bad Philip! :)
Philip
578. Fleabytes
Comment #159404 by Philip1978 on April 12, 2008 at 5:58 am
Geoff
I wish you a very happy, reckless and fun birthday!
I am approaching my 30th year on this Earth and one quote from of all people, (I think it was this person, correct me please if I am hideously wrong!) Bridget Bardot springs to mind.
"You are old enough to know better but still young enough go and do it anyway!"
I hope you have a great time today, will raise a glass later on for you!
Philip
579. Richard Dawkins and Bill Maher
Comment #159331 by Philip1978 on April 12, 2008 at 1:13 am
Bueller_007
Sorry if I haven't made myself clear, I have a degree in English and History and should know better :)
Bill is still a bit wacky for my taste, that prescription drug thing amongst others keep me backing off a little each time.
Secondly the link I sent, I agree there is nothing about Adam and Eve and talking snakes and I have misrepresented Collins. I read the waffle about how the 3 frozen waterfalls confirmed his decision to give himself to God and thought it was a similar sort of thing, ie if he can believe in 3 frozen waterfalls, talking snakes would be a breeze!
I hope thats made stuff a bit clearer and I apologise for generalising.
Philip
580. Richard Dawkins and Bill Maher
Comment #159305 by Philip1978 on April 11, 2008 at 11:26 pm
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20060815_sam_harris_language_ignorance/
Crazy old man, Collins really does go for the whole talking snake bollocks, the guy is both VERY intelligent and VERY bloody stupid at the same time! :)
Philip
581. Richard Dawkins and Bill Maher
Comment #159301 by Philip1978 on April 11, 2008 at 11:11 pm
I am going to have to say it again, Bill is going up in my estimations even more these days, I thought that was a good interview.
I thought the questions were good and allowed Richard time to get some interesting points across.
Plus, here have evidence of Richard being able to change his mind once given better evidence, now Richard thinks the same as I do about Francis Collins! :)
Cheers
Philip
582. 'Expelled' ripped off Harvard's 'Inner Life of the Cell' animation
Comment #159007 by Philip1978 on April 11, 2008 at 10:32 am
I do often wonder if people REALLY are that stupid and then I read this sort of thing and the answer is a resounding "YES PHILIP, THEY ARE!"
Did they really not sit around and think "Hang on a second chaps, won't we get completely shredded if we do that? Ah, they aren't that clever, they will never notice! Plus we have God on our side and He ALWAYS wins and since we made this for Him he will protect us! Now about that PZ Myers...!"
Such dribbling stupidity deserves to be taken to task it really does!
Philip
583. Richard Dawkins on The Big Questions
Comment #158981 by Philip1978 on April 11, 2008 at 9:23 am
Cartomancer
Are you actually saying the Capetian Kings were a myth and that things like my ability to recognise the difference between a Romanesque church and a Gothic one which tells me roughly when they were built is all an elaborate joke?
Bugger, I wasted 2 years of my life when I could have learned it all from you, my A Levels were a lie!
Well, glad I know now, better late than Jesus, thats what I say!
Philip
584. Richard Dawkins on The Big Questions
Comment #158970 by Philip1978 on April 11, 2008 at 9:07 am
It's called "revisionism"
585. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #158915 by Philip1978 on April 11, 2008 at 7:03 am
Yes, the Bible does not relate the story of the impoverished pig farmer, I suspect he was one of the jeering crowd at the crucifixion!
I actually don't like the Jesus in the NT, his offer for those who wanted to become his disciples to hate their families etc really doesn't wash as well as his feet were!
His insistence that all that was laid out in the OT were still valid and God's law, it kind of tells me that all that rot in Deuteronomy etc was meant to be adhered to. I don't like it when the religious like to say that Jesus was the one who did away with all the nasty bits that God did, its just totally incorrect. You would, as you say, expect better from a perfect being!
Good job I don't believe in any of this!
Philip
586. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #158899 by Philip1978 on April 11, 2008 at 6:42 am
You sure that was a woman?
Well, you could have a point, most of the Maidenhead women are quite manly in appearance!
Heavy drinking is expensive, if I were you I'd pay for the maid! :)
Philip
587. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #158878 by Philip1978 on April 11, 2008 at 6:24 am
Steve,
I can take my ale better than that! I start forgetting after about 8 pints when the women start looking better!
When at uni I used to finish lectures at about 6 p.m and have to race back home, leave my room in a mess, charge out and drink too much. A couple of times I woke up in the morning after a rather heavy night on the tiles to discover not only could I not remember the night out I had cleaned my room, even hoovered it the second time. I was really freaked out, I had folded all my clothes, dusted - everything! :)
Philip
588. Richard Dawkins on The Big Questions
Comment #158871 by Philip1978 on April 11, 2008 at 6:16 am
Perhaps he just needs some Ritalin?
:)
Philip
589. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #158868 by Philip1978 on April 11, 2008 at 6:14 am
My Boss's favourite way of having coffee is to have 3 dry shots of espresso mixed together, apparently according to him, its still quite mild!
I specifically make a point in the office of choosing very obscure times to have a cuppa, hence the 12:31 notice! Any excuse to hear the call of the kettle I tell you!
Betty's Breakfast Tea is one of the finest I have ever had, its from a chain of Tea rooms, I got mine from York, its gooooorrgeous!
As for beer, somewhere around 3 or 4 pints nobody can beat me at pool! :)
Philip
590. Richard Dawkins on The Big Questions
Comment #158853 by Philip1978 on April 11, 2008 at 5:55 am
Al
He is probably out tipexing all the original documents that show the evidence and altering it to fit his needs, these things take time you know!
Philip
591. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #158832 by Philip1978 on April 11, 2008 at 5:14 am
Vaal
He sent a load of pigs off on a marathon run and made them jump off a cliff!
Worse still I think his feet must have been tremendously smelly because of his fetish for having them washed and oiled!
Who would want to follow that??
Heheheh
Philip
592. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #158817 by Philip1978 on April 11, 2008 at 4:32 am
Paula
I think that is a great starting line when confronting any future frother on the site, is to ask very politely if Jesus would be impressed with this behaviour or did He tell them to do this!
Bloody hell, its 12:31, its time for more tea!
Philip
593. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #158788 by Philip1978 on April 11, 2008 at 3:31 am
D.I. Ogenes
Blasphemer! You insult the Great and Mighty Dawkins?
Have you no shame?
Next you will be telling me you don't drink tea!
Philip
594. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #158769 by Philip1978 on April 11, 2008 at 3:03 am
D.I. Ogenes
Damn you and your trousers! May Quetzalcoatl smite thee with his mighty army! (You are not a nun are you?)
Now stop all this blaspheming about evolution you crazy monkey, it will do you no good at all! First you had a go at Mum and Dad, I let you off for that but now you really have let yourself down!
In fact, while you are at it, I suggest you sit down, have a cup of good tea and think about how much of a naughty sinner you have been! :)
Philip
595. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #158738 by Philip1978 on April 11, 2008 at 1:53 am
D.I. Ogenes
My mum and dad are two of the finest people who walk on this lovely Earth!
This cult of Dawkins, where do I sign up and do they serve Tea?
:)
Philip
596. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #158721 by Philip1978 on April 11, 2008 at 1:29 am
Finally, somebody knows what its like to be me! Bravo Quetz!:)
I am with Steve on this one Vulcan, a God is the most complex thing in the entire universe as it introduces a myriad of questions that cannot be answered without some serious guesswork and imagination.
When you consider something as amazing and crazy as the universe there are many things that could explain how it got here, introducing a god then invites questions like which one? How? Why? When? Can we test it? etc etc
I think that last question is a good one, can we test it to verify it? If there is a less complex, less ambiguous method that explains how it is done that does not require the incredibly improbable then it is usually, though not always, the best route to take. Not that I discourage thinking outside the box, if people didn't do that we would not get anywhere in life but I do think its wise to consider all the options first.
Tally Ho!
Philip
597. Richard Dawkins on The Big Questions
Comment #158291 by Philip1978 on April 10, 2008 at 9:44 am
Al
I prefer the question as posed by Dr Cox from Scrubs:
Now, when you were born, nay, *spawned* by the Dark Prince himself, did that rat bastard forget to give you a hug before he sent you along your way?
It just makes so much sense!
:)
Philip
598. Richard Dawkins on The Big Questions
Comment #158180 by Philip1978 on April 10, 2008 at 7:24 am
Al
Sadly the bastard is serious, but I agree with you, he wont listen to anyone unless its a racist or non scholar.
Good post by the way, interesting read
Philip
599. Richard Dawkins on The Big Questions
Comment #158168 by Philip1978 on April 10, 2008 at 6:58 am
Epeeist
Funnily enough she wrote a book, Denying the Holocaust, which discredited writings and sayings of a well known Holocaust denier David Irving among others.
He tried to sue her and got his arse well and truly kicked because it was found she was telling the truth.
So yes, the Stone Cutters obviously had a hand in that! :)
Philip
600. Fleabytes
Comment #158135 by Philip1978 on April 10, 2008 at 5:50 am
I love the T Shirt Steve!
Ohhh Suits you Sir!
:)
Philip