601. Do you have to read up on leprechology before disbelieving in them?

Comment #73899 by BillySands on September 26, 2007 at 2:16 pm

oh no, revcort has made nothern bright sin Matt 18 "6But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea."

That verse wasn't wasted after all. Praise Quetz - my first prophecy :-)

602. Do you have to read up on leprechology before disbelieving in them?

Comment #73896 by BillySands on September 26, 2007 at 2:13 pm

gr8hands

Damn this interpretation business, it's so unreliable! I'll blame it on the fact that I was cooking my dinner at the time :-)

603. Do you have to read up on leprechology before disbelieving in them?

Comment #73890 by BillySands on September 26, 2007 at 2:08 pm

Ah, good old hebrews 6 - the cause of much fear and anguish for so many believers - I once worried about it myself.

Who would it benefit for revcort to point this verse out to? 1 none of us believe it and 2 if god were real and we had commited it, what good would it do to tell us so?

Fear is good for keeping the believer believing, but does nothing for your quality of life

604. Do you have to read up on leprechology before disbelieving in them?

Comment #73885 by BillySands on September 26, 2007 at 1:43 pm

Billy - what shall we do, what does the bible say?

Well, CHeard could try and restore him gently to his fold Galatians 6:1 "Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted."

Although, if someone speaks falsly on behalf of the truth, them must be killed deut 13 :5 "That prophet or dreamer must be put to death, because he preached rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery; he has tried to turn you from the way the LORD your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you."

If the bible has taught us anything (and it hasn't) itsays that when in doubt, KILL - (in love, not in venom) And let god get all T.D. Torquemada on his ass in hell: Hebrews 10 "29 How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30For we know him who said, "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," and again, "The Lord will judge his people." 31It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."

Verily, the lord does not like people who make others sin/disbelieve by telling lies about 6 day creationism Matt 18 "6But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea."
So, to sumarise, the bible says either help them or kill them. Being the noninspired incoherent book it is you can choose which verse best suits your personal agenda, and feel justified by god. It seems revcort and Cheard are believers separated by a common book - although I'd happily have a pint with Cheard. I may have to call the police to check out the rev though.

We atheists are free from such dilemas - we employ the mental health act on the rev and hope he gets beter

605. Teacher: I was fired, said Bible isn't literal

Comment #73835 by BillySands on September 26, 2007 at 10:00 am

SRWB, weren't they visible? :-)

606. Teacher: I was fired, said Bible isn't literal

Comment #73831 by BillySands on September 26, 2007 at 9:53 am

I CAN prove there is not an invisible elephant in my fridge.

Go on then, this we have got to see.

By the way, does Elvis talk to you?

I would think that any "laws" he gave would be valid forever, wouldn't they? Or does he issue memos clarifying new procedures and interpretations of existing rules periodically?

Not only that, but Jesus says in matt 5:17 ""Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. "

Furthermore, Wee flea claims to believe in moral absolutes - I think he is losing it.

Dave's world, Dave's world. Party time Excellent!

607. Do you have to read up on leprechology before disbelieving in them?

Comment #73821 by BillySands on September 26, 2007 at 9:18 am

I guess you should keep trying to prove He doesn't exist- either that or seek Him to find out whether He does exist.

Interesting, I was't aware that 1 we try to disprove god's existence, or 2 that there was a burden of proof to show that something that has no evidence backing up its claim of existence had to be disproved.

Anyone here ever actually sought god then and found him to not be there? Quetz? Nothern bright? J? 0h, wait a mo, we all have.

Pascals wager eh? How unbiblical is that? belief for selfish motives - What if allah is real then? Revcort better pray that he isnt.

608. Teacher: I was fired, said Bible isn't literal

Comment #73818 by BillySands on September 26, 2007 at 9:08 am

Flea bag

Presupposition? No. We dont believe in the supernatural because there is no evidence for it. Give us some and we will change our minds. You are the sad one with the presuppositions not based on a shred of evidence.

By the way, those nasty laws you dismiss, lets not forget that they were given by your god in the first place - regardless of context! Dont try and excuse god by saying slavery already existed. He gave so many laws about things that he didn't like, but seems to have no problem with Slavery. Ask yourself, word of "loving" god or word of a man with a vested interest in slavery?
Where does the bible condemn slavery? It doesn't! A god who gives a command to treat others like yourself has nothing to say against slavery - come on!

Oh and that bit about sabbath breaking and new covenants, Jesus broke the sabbath before the new covenant - No gold star for you, poor flea, must try harder!

Have you invited Ken Ham for your group of intellectually challenged fundies to read homophobic poems to then? He seems to like telling them, and the wee frees enjoyed listening to them.
I know you dont take the bible too seriously as a guide as to how to live your life, but you may want to read this "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank that is in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye" (Matthew 7:3-5).
Useful advice. Notice how people respond positively to CHeard, but dont think too much of you. I wonder why that could be? Perhaps your fundamentalism

609. Do you have to read up on leprechology before disbelieving in them?

Comment #73797 by BillySands on September 26, 2007 at 8:07 am

At the risk of sounding nasty, I think that if the Bible said that Jesus rode into Jerusalem on the back of a giant six-legged purple elephant- Revcort would believe it.

Ah, there lies another error Matthew 21:7 And brought the ass, and the colt, and put on them their clothes, and they set him thereon."
Was Jesus riding both at once?

610. Do you have to read up on leprechology before disbelieving in them?

Comment #73784 by BillySands on September 26, 2007 at 7:32 am

gr8hands

I must confess, I've not been reading revcorts responses after he showed an inability to reason early on. Does he actually believe all translations are inerrant? even the ones where Micah 5:2 translates as village and not clan? of Isaiah 7:14 translated as young woman (eg NJB) and not virgin?
Here is my favorite concerning the greek translation of Genesis: Methuselah would have died 14 years after the Flood, for it tells us that Methuselah was 167 when his son Lamech was born, and Lamech was 188 when Noah was born, and Noah was 600 when the Flood came. Adding these together, we get 955 years from the birth of Methuselah to the Flood. Yet the Greek text agrees with the Hebrew text in saying that Methuselah lived 969 years.

Hmmm

611. Do you have to read up on leprechology before disbelieving in them?

Comment #73741 by BillySands on September 26, 2007 at 3:50 am

I have to say that this smells of eschatology to me.

Smells of pish to me

612. Do you have to read up on leprechology before disbelieving in them?

Comment #73598 by BillySands on September 25, 2007 at 12:12 pm

Captain Underpants

I'm sure he wont see it that way. Once he realises that is what it is, he can be cured

613. Row Brews Over DUP Call for Schools to Teach Creationism

Comment #73596 by BillySands on September 25, 2007 at 11:58 am

It seems that in the absence of evidence from the rest of the posting team they resort to mudslinging and abuse.

Opsin genes? chromosome 2? you retard

Why am I not suprised that you ignore them?

Goldy Notice how devolved picks up on the word hypothesis, then in his own mind decides that is all it is - even though the authors say they have tested their hypothesis - what a goofball!

614. Do you have to read up on leprechology before disbelieving in them?

Comment #73590 by BillySands on September 25, 2007 at 11:38 am

How do you manage to do that?

That's easy, you ignore it and live in denial

615. Do you have to read up on leprechology before disbelieving in them?

Comment #73555 by BillySands on September 25, 2007 at 9:20 am

If you knew but a small fraction of basic theology then you would understand that part of what defines "God" as "God" is his self-existent nature.

Ah, I missed Biz. He needs to start following quetz.

And what is the foundation of theology? Where is the evidence that we should accept the bible? If you knew anything about logic, you would know you have to establish that god exists before you can start discussing what his favorite pudding is. The fact that you have given god a definition does not make him real. You just seem to think your definition should be accepted, and then discussion should follow from there.

What do you make of them chickens with teeth then?
Found any out of place dinosaur fossils?

616. Do you have to read up on leprechology before disbelieving in them?

Comment #73548 by BillySands on September 25, 2007 at 8:45 am

Oh, and not we get to the really preposterous stuff! A baby born of a virgin? Is that possible? Not the last time I checked. I guess Mary just fabricated that to cover up her infidelity.

More likely it is a myth created to compete with the concurrant and similar mythologies of Mithras and Dionysis.

Isaiah 7:14 has nothing to do with predicting Jesus will be born of a virgin

617. Religion advances despite science (and thanks to Dawkins)

Comment #73489 by BillySands on September 25, 2007 at 5:09 am

Fear not Philip, you can use the lid of your tea pot as a shield of steel.

He is only doing what the good book commands http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/when_to_stone_your_whole_family/dt13_06-08.html
(Is it just me, or is that lego mum hot?)

618. Religion advances despite science (and thanks to Dawkins)

Comment #73483 by BillySands on September 25, 2007 at 4:46 am

Nurse, he (wee flea) is out of bed again!

Padded cell for Robertson!

Hi V, I stopped reading Revcorts stuff, it was pure gash! What thread was he on again? it may be good for a laugh.
Devolved is back (without dinosaurs) All we need now is Biz

619. Religion advances despite science (and thanks to Dawkins)

Comment #73466 by BillySands on September 25, 2007 at 3:33 am

Good point Goldy, I wouldnt want to share eternity with David.
However, in some respects, the concept of sin is a relative thing. There are no absolute moral standards, and so far David has failed to provide evidence they exist. We'll not hold our breath waiting for him to do so. BTW David, have you see the monkeys with justice thread - isn't evolution wonderful? http://www.richarddawkins.net/article,1676,Monkeys-show-sense-of-justice,Dr-David-Whitehouse-BBC
No sky fairy required!

620. Religion advances despite science (and thanks to Dawkins)

Comment #73438 by BillySands on September 25, 2007 at 2:20 am

Hey David, I dare you to open an uncensored thread on your site about attitudes to the pope, catholics, evolution and homosexuals - go on I dare you, then we will see some real fundie nut bags - and they will all be religious - go on! I dare you!

621. Talking Action Figure Jesus

Comment #73299 by BillySands on September 24, 2007 at 4:44 pm

Now you can have a jesus vs Barbie death match.

622. Talking Action Figure Jesus

Comment #73286 by BillySands on September 24, 2007 at 4:29 pm

You could pull the arms and legs off your sister's dolls and pretend they are lepers. Then Jesus could heal them.
How about bringing out genocidal joshua and murderous moses with real gravel throwing arm. Tey could have Dalek voices and say "exterminate non jews Ex-ter-min-ate!"

623. Row Brews Over DUP Call for Schools to Teach Creationism

Comment #73265 by BillySands on September 24, 2007 at 3:51 pm

If you are unable to provide examples of increases in genetic information then the entire evolutionary argument falls over.

No it doesn't you moron! If you really knew what natural selection was, you would be so embarassed by that statement, and you come on here to tell us that we are wrong. No wonder we have nothing but contempt for you. You have been given many examples - try reading! How on earth does it fall over? Finding that dinosaur I keep asking for, that would make it fall over.

Creationists believe that the created kind possessed at creation all genetic information for rapid speciation to take place.

Evidence? let me guess, none! What typified a kind?

Natural selection involves merely the shuffling, rearrangement and degeneration of existing genetic information,

Natural selection is nothing of the sort- idiot! Go read a proper book you dishonest retard.
By the way, doubling genes can change body shape through gene dose effects. Why do you keep ignoring the mutation aspect of duplication? Why do you keep saying evolution works in a way it doesn't - are you so desperate to lie for your stupid beliefs?
I presume (although I doubt you know it) you are referring to Ubx mutations. Dont you know the main flight muscles of insects are not attached to wings anyway - oops - you just made an arse of yourself - again!

As for the antibiotic resistance - on one level, astraw man, on another, a lie go look up HORIZONTAL GENE TRANSFER and resistance!

Self creating matter. Information systems that appear by luck. Increasing complex genomes with no supportable evidence in operational science.

As a former god botherer, let me translate for the rational :"la la la I'm not listening. I'm ignoring your evidence la la la. I cant concieve how there could be a rational explanation for everything. Although I dont have the best intellect in the world I'm confident that I cant think of a naturalistic explanation, then there cant be one - because I want to feel special. Therefore, I, going to believe in a magic invisible god. La la la - wibble? what's that god? kill non-believers and dont touch my penis when I see pictures of Kylie?"

624. Row Brews Over DUP Call for Schools to Teach Creationism

Comment #73158 by BillySands on September 24, 2007 at 9:55 am

This may be of interest concerning presbyterians and 6 day creationism
http://www.the-highway.com/creation_Gentry.html

625. Row Brews Over DUP Call for Schools to Teach Creationism

Comment #73111 by BillySands on September 24, 2007 at 6:30 am

Isn't "increase/decrease in genetic information" a creationist straw man?

Too right it is! These people lie about how evolution works. the expect you to find an amoeba that aquires a new genome and becomes a T rex in one generation - Dishonest tits!

626. Religion advances despite science (and thanks to Dawkins)

Comment #73095 by BillySands on September 24, 2007 at 5:26 am

God, you're good, BillySands.

I owe it all to Philip brewing the holy tea of Quetz.

May the brew be with you

PS I see JemyM is not far from the kingdom of tea either. May Quetz make Jemy's pot flow over

627. Religion advances despite science (and thanks to Dawkins)

Comment #73061 by BillySands on September 24, 2007 at 2:56 am

Dawkins et al lay down a spiritual version of the gauntlet from DC Comics: "Are you with us or against us". That mentality should be consigned to the comic books where it belongs.

What, you mean comic books like the bible? Luke 11:23 "He who is not with Me is against Me"

628. Row Brews Over DUP Call for Schools to Teach Creationism

Comment #73058 by BillySands on September 24, 2007 at 2:27 am

Ok so you're a scientist. Using the scientific method - observation >induction >hypothesis >test hypothesis by experiment >proof/disproof >knowledge – please provide me with evidence for evolution. I'd appreciate your references

Remember chromosome 2 you silly little troll? To remind you and it contains references http://www.evolutionpages.com/chromosome_2.htm

(I tried this question recently and got suggestions from people about how they believed mutations increased genetic information but no evidence.)

Liar!!!!!! Remember opsin genes? you never commented on them. I presume AIG doesnt have a page of lies on them then. Also, how many times do we have to tell you, you dont need an increase in "information" remember Alx-4?

http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/101/52/18058

Then, we keep telling you about duplication + mutation. No wonder we think you are an ignorant ass. Now, dont try anch change the burden of proof, you were asked to provide a scientific basis of creationism. If you cant do that , then I will add my voice to the icreasing chorus telling you to fuck off.

I once concidered god existed, so I challenge you to read up properly on evolution without the lying
fundie commentries. Oh wait, i challenged you to do that in the past, and you couldn't. So dont dish out challenges when you cant do the same. What is this christian challenge bollocks anyway - "I challenged you to read the bible - if you dare" oooh, tremble trembe I've been challenged by someone who talks to invisible sky fairies- scary as fuck - not!

629. Row Brews Over DUP Call for Schools to Teach Creationism

Comment #72928 by BillySands on September 23, 2007 at 2:39 pm

Devolved, you are winning no converts here I look forward to you answering goldy's question - and mine, Epeeists, Robert's etc.

Great tea pot, all I can say is if you happen to be near Dundee, I wouldn't eat any of the local pies, sausages or stovies for a week or two

630. Row Brews Over DUP Call for Schools to Teach Creationism

Comment #72905 by BillySands on September 23, 2007 at 11:52 am

OK, I thought I'd give myself a laugh. I ceched this part of deluded's link http://biblicalgeology.net/content/view/46/43/
I cliked on the "is the biblical geological model scientific?" answer, and guess not, no answer was given, but we are told "Christian geologists have an advantage when it comes to history. Because they accept biblical history is accurate, they do not need to speculate about history. By taking the biblical account as an eyewitness record of past events they only need to speculate about how these affected geology."

Deluded, you just dont get it, do you? You care not for evidence, you are a muppet, no wonder you are not taken seriously here. Worst of all, you say these links are prfectly adequate. Despite the obvious reasons why they are not, you even tell us that they are even though you have neither the time or understanding to argue your case (and you expct us to waste our time) Get a grip, and I dont mean of your dick!

631. Row Brews Over DUP Call for Schools to Teach Creationism

Comment #72899 by BillySands on September 23, 2007 at 11:24 am

The article is perfectly adequate. I wonder why you are reluctant to read it?

Could it be brcause we have learned that they are shit and a total waste of our time replying to them. Just in case anyone hasn't come across Devolved's links, this one says it all. It is his proof that humans and dinosaurs co-existed http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/133/
have a needle and thread handy to repair your sides.

PS, want to buy some magic beans too?

632. Row Brews Over DUP Call for Schools to Teach Creationism

Comment #72820 by BillySands on September 23, 2007 at 3:46 am

How can these people believe that they are privy to some kind of "Truth" for which not a shred of evidence exists?

Hi captain underpants. I think Nothern bright has got it right. I wasnt brought up a christian as such, but it was forced on me at school. It wasn't till later that I became one. To believe this, you really have to shut off reason. What you do is you just accept that the bible is the ultimate source of truth about the universe. This gives you the frame work to interpret what is going on in your life - is god diciplining me, is the devil attacking me because I am so special to have god, god is blessing me with speed down the left wing (despite the fact I train and was already fast before convertion). If you cant get an answer from the bible about what to do or say in a particular situation, you turn to verses like Isaiah 55:9
"For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts".

So, you just assume that god knows best and has his reasons - because it says so in the bible. You even tell yourself that if you knew everything then you would be god, and you most certainly are not.
You also believe that you alone have a direct line to god, and those who disagree with particular aspects of your theology are not reading the bible in the correct spirit and importing their own agendas into the bible, and not god's. After all, you know you have been saved and are serious anbout it and totally committed to god, so everyone else must be wrong.
This is a seriously fucked up way of thinking and I would suggest it is a form om mental illness. It is also a delusion and mental slavery. It's definately nice to be normal again.

I think Devolved has buggered off again

633. Monkeys show sense of justice

Comment #72812 by BillySands on September 23, 2007 at 3:18 am

What I like about this is that it is yet another example that we are nothing special.
The religious also like to pretend that there is some sort of moral law out there that cant come about through evolution.
There was a good programme on BBC2 about them last night. Apparently the huffiness works with biscuits vs grapes too.
You can put two on either side of a clear partition with a small hole in it. On one side, one monkey has a has a jar of nuts sealed with a a tough plastic cover. The other monkey has a flint. What they found was that the monkey with the flint passed it to the other one who used it to open the jar. It then shared the nuts with the other one.
In the wild they use anvil stones to crack nuts. They sometimes have to carry the nuts several kilometers, and they pick up the hammer stones from the river several kilometers in the other direction - a nice example of forward planning. There was also footage of them using rocks as weapons against a puma. Pretty cool things really.

634. Row Brews Over DUP Call for Schools to Teach Creationism

Comment #72716 by BillySands on September 22, 2007 at 12:22 pm

nothern bright and corylus,

Let's not forget they delude themselves into thinking we dont want to believe in god - or answer to him so that we can carry on being nasty smelly sinners . It's the only way to account for our insanity, and the bible even tells them so:
2 peter 3:5 "For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: "
Then they can go away and feel specially chosen by god to have the "truth" revealed to them by the holy spirit - sad really.

635. The God of the Bible is No Delusion!

Comment #72689 by BillySands on September 22, 2007 at 9:39 am

Interesting prophecy chart Corky. Strange the world is not filled with the glory of god. How was redemption achieved through the seed of woman before the covenant with Abraham. Jesus is not decended from david, because joseph is not his father and those messianic prophecies are so lame and out of context etc ....
How did those other cults deal with their failed prophecies?

mistakes of moses is available here

636. Row Brews Over DUP Call for Schools to Teach Creationism

Comment #72655 by BillySands on September 22, 2007 at 4:55 am

It was actually the phylogenetic similarities between small pox and cow pox that let Jenners approach be sucessfull. He may not have known that, but this relatedness is what underpinned his success in generating a small poxvaccine. Using this knowledge today, we should be able to make vaccines that are effective against several closely related species.
Does devolved claim that his "loving" god made these nasty diseases too?

The problem concerning HIV vaccines are discussed here http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1857809

637. Row Brews Over DUP Call for Schools to Teach Creationism

Comment #72650 by BillySands on September 22, 2007 at 4:38 am

Why is it that fundamentalists, as soon as they open their mouths, turn out to be unutterably stupid?

Not only that, they lie. see here for example: I checked the flagellum page at "truthinscience" http://www.truthinscience.org.uk/site/content/view/240/63/
they cite this paper as evidence that the flagellum gave rise to the ttss and not the otherway around http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/104/17/7116
they say

The authors disagree with the idea that the flagellum has evolved from the TTSS, and write that TTSS genes are "derived from" (p. 7120) flagellar genes. There is some evidence that the simpler structure of the TTSS could have evolved from the more complex structure of the flagellum, not vice versa.

However, the paper actually says

The structural features of the flagellum, along with the evidence of homology between FliI and ATP synthase subunits and between MotA/B and the secretion proteins TolQ-TolR, suggests that it originated as a primitive secretion system (16), first involving ATPase and then adding the rod, hook, and filament components by gene duplication and diversification. Its original role as a secretion apparatus is also supported by the clear links between the flagellum and the TTSS, a protein delivery system whose genetic architecture is similar to and derived from a flagellar gene complex (17, 20).

The paper also points out that some proteins are not necessary for flagellar function, further reducing its complexity.
Typical lying fundies!

638. Row Brews Over DUP Call for Schools to Teach Creationism

Comment #72642 by BillySands on September 22, 2007 at 4:15 am

What basis do you have for claiming that vaccines and cures are in any way dependent on a belief in evolution.

Erm, Anigenic variabiliy! how about evolution of drug resistance too. Selective chemotherapy also has it's basis in phylogenetic differences too.

639. Row Brews Over DUP Call for Schools to Teach Creationism

Comment #72637 by BillySands on September 22, 2007 at 3:52 am

Great tea pot,

I'm not obsessed with it. The views of the religious on homosexuality are a serious challenge to their position of "moral superiority" It shows how following a book poisons minds. This was a big issue when I went to see Ken Ham talk too. According to him, believing in Darwinism leads to the acceptance of homosexual practices - which he considers evil.
As long as idiots keep comming on this site saying christianity is right, I'm going to keep challenging them on their religion induced bigotry - seems fair

EDIT I see you removed your question, but I'll keep my answer for future reference

640. Row Brews Over DUP Call for Schools to Teach Creationism

Comment #72635 by BillySands on September 22, 2007 at 3:26 am

I saw Epeeist's response to Devolved's post first, and unfortunately, I predicted what devolved had written. Evolution is not science eh?, tell that to molecular biologists, ethologists, anatomists, zoologists, paleontologists, botanists etc....
Creationists who do "science" are being highly selective and dishonest. I saw Ken Ham recently, and his pitch was all about upholding biblical authority - not objective science.
Any way, devolved, you ran away last time before telling me if you found the dinosaur fossils that would kill off that nasty secular relgion of evolution that is responsible for atheism, homosexuality and unpatriotic Americans. So, have you?
I dont know why, but I've somehow got it into my head that you are Irish. If so, that is a good enough reason not to teach creationism, if all it does is close off your mind and defend a position that is refuted by the evidence. A position that you yourself say that you are not qualified to look at impartially. A position that you have previously said is supported only by your own prejudices.

641. Do you have to read up on leprechology before disbelieving in them?

Comment #72223 by BillySands on September 20, 2007 at 2:42 pm

Of course Goldy, Chickens sometimes produce toothed mutants. A fact Biz doesnt seem to like http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000E9965-99A6-13FB-99A683414B7F0000

642. Do you have to read up on leprechology before disbelieving in them?

Comment #72206 by BillySands on September 20, 2007 at 2:22 pm

I cant be bothered getting into a debate with a creationist at the moment, but only fundies claim Archaeopteryx was a bird. It was actually more dinosaur like than bird like http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/archaeopteryx/info.html

643. Do you have to read up on leprechology before disbelieving in them?

Comment #72192 by BillySands on September 20, 2007 at 2:02 pm

Walk
You asked about DNA, this link contains some nice examples (I also recomend his book)http://www.richarddawkins.net/article,232,The-Fact-of-Evolution,Sean-Carroll--NPR-Science-Friday
For creationists, this is pearls before swine.

Perhaps the good reverend can tell us who the father of joseph was
Matthew 1:16
and Jacob was the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
or
Luke 3:23
Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli

Looks like Allah says Christians are off to hell(the family of Imran 3)3:4 Aforetime, for a guidance to mankind; and hath revealed the Criterion (of right and wrong). Lo! those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, theirs will be a heavy doom. Allah is Mighty, Able to Requite (the wrong).

I dont think even Biz shows this level of fundamentalism where he thinks an argument can be won by quoting a piece of self contradicting bronze age mythology.
I think if the god of the bible existed he should kiss every human's arse and beg forgiveness for his many crimes against us

644. Do you have to read up on leprechology before disbelieving in them?

Comment #72111 by BillySands on September 20, 2007 at 11:11 am

Where do they clone people like revcort? Why does he quote the bible at us? His is the saddest form of fundie intellect. I like this verse when listening to biblical preaching "only a simpleton believes everything they are told" Prov:14:15

I've yet to hear a theist give a real reason to show that homosexuality is wrong. You can say why rape and murder are wrong, but why homosexuality? Ah the delights of the holy bile (spelling deliberate). As for his argument about normals in nature, rape, homomosexuality, murder, terriorial aggression, polygamy and polyandry, stealing and canabalism all occur in nature. Is he then saying it's natural, so it must be "right"? Actually, the bible endorses many of these things-strange double standards.

The bible says that sabbath breakers must be stoned, but Jesus broke the sabbath. If god is above his own laws, then God could have homosexual tendancies.

I think he also gets his lieing anti evolution propaganda from Ken Ham. Anyone seen many scientists give a good scientific argument againt evolution? The anti evolutionaty scientists i know do not doubt evolution for scientific reasons, but because the believe the bible.
He can pray for us, but we will have to think for him

645. Against the grain: There are questions that science cannot answer

Comment #71965 by BillySands on September 20, 2007 at 2:51 am

Is there another RD out there that we haven't met, or is this person down on all fours, howling at the moon whilst the invisible sky fairy allows buddy holly into her head to play music in a room full of padded wall paper?
I find it bizarre that anyone who follows the blood thirsty baby eating christian god sould criticise any moral position. Still, they dont seem to want to understand what they are complaining against enough to actually pay attention to minor details like facts - if only they could see.

If Theology was simply a discussion about the hypothetical idea of a God it would not be so bad. However, the taint of the true believer is clear in their assumption that their sub-standard philosophical ideas can be applied to other subjects...

This is so true, I get it all the time, then you point out the flaws in the arguement, and it just bounces off them. What indeed does theology have to say on consciousness, free will, motivation, emotion, true origins etc? Bugger all! that's what.
I would love to hear the flea attempt justify evolution through theology - that wouldnt be too pretty for folk who don't like to see dimb animals being ripped apart. I presume thats why he runs away to mummy when the challenge pops up

646. Oxford's Christian colleges 'are not suitable for school-leavers'

Comment #71551 by BillySands on September 19, 2007 at 2:53 am

Wont be long until theology is lumped in with the rest of mythology :-)

647. The Fleas Are Multiplying!

Comment #69937 by BillySands on September 13, 2007 at 8:21 am

I suppose my dislike of idiots such as wee flea could be described as a fundamental position! What do you think?

I think it is entierly justified. Why should we quietly tolerate the inane ramblings of a deluded fundamentalist buffoon who has abandoned reason, runs from debate and whose only purpose is to wind others up? Someone once said he has the mental capacity of road kill. I spoke out about that comment at the time, but evidence has changed my mind and I agree with that comment now. So much for fundamentalism by the athiests then.

648. The Fleas Are Multiplying!

Comment #69873 by BillySands on September 13, 2007 at 3:38 am

I've actually taken to praying, briefly but sincerely, some evenings to god (any god) to reveal himself (herself, itself) to me if s/he really does exist and to overcome my scepticism if it is misplaced. Seems the least I can do.

Come on J The christian god says you cant test him, and if you dont find him, then it is all your fault for not looking properly. Oh, wait a mo,jesus let Thomas test him, and Jesus also appeared to Paul (who was actively persecuting him) Now I am confused. Test- dont test, seek, dont seek. How to make sense of this?

Hmm, maybe the christian god is not real?

David, if god can do anything he wants, can he make asquare circle and keek it round?

649. The Fleas Are Multiplying!

Comment #69685 by BillySands on September 12, 2007 at 7:38 am

I'm more concerned with the child abuse aspects of foisting a religion on someone yet to acquire the tools to make a choice and at the same time creating an artificial 'them and us' division which can only deepen over time.

I wonder what the fleas' opinion of this concerning Ken Ham ministries is?

I remember Flea spreading lies about a witch hunt directed at creationist biochemists in the UK. Do his earlier comments not imply a simmilar attitude he claims to have about Ham?

650. The Fleas Are Multiplying!

Comment #69641 by BillySands on September 12, 2007 at 2:39 am

J
The problem with Ham is that it is a question of biblical authorirty. All the bible must be accepted as true. Evidence does not matter to him, and there were certainly a lot of aproving grunt from the audience. More worrying was his moral teachings. Atheism has no morality and allows same sex marriages - which are evil - those got the loudest grunts of approval. He works on indoctrinating the fundies. He truly is a gift to atheism. Let "god" sort it out, if being non existent doesn't handicap her too much.
Srange David feels he can comment on evolution when he cant refute Ham. Ham is the true voice of the bible, so I say let's encourage him and give the christians enough rope to hang themselves -unless someone can actually show the bible allows evolution. Evolution is true. The problem is a question of theology, which bears no relationship to reality.
David, are you disobeying Jesus and not providing evidence when asked to do so?
So much for following the bible.
Hows the fee church child abuse mission comming along then - there were a few kids forced to listen to Ham, so I guess its on target.