651. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #195630 by Apathy personified on June 18, 2008 at 4:13 pm

What, my opinion that conservapedia is less than reliable?
From the home page of conservapedia,

Top 10 reasons to blame Democrats for soaring gasoline prices [12]

1. Defeat of President Bush's 2001 energy package
2. Speculation
3. The Global Warming Myth
4. Reduced competition
5. Refinery capacity
6. Coal
7. Nuclear power
8. Insistence on alternative fuels
9. Coastal Drilling
10. ANWR

And that's just after a few seconds looking - It's all right wing opinion with no evidence

652. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #195623 by Apathy personified on June 18, 2008 at 4:05 pm

RtG,
Using conservapedia as a source of info in a debate, you expect anyone to take that seriously?

Get back under your bridge, you naughty little troll.

Have a nice day.

653. Oystein Elgaroy - the Christian defender who became an Atheist

Comment #195599 by Apathy personified on June 18, 2008 at 3:26 pm

'clearthinker' - So would i be right in saying that you agree with the scientists who say that through the process of natural selection humans evolved from the simplest of life to the creatures we are now, and this took hundreds of millions of years.
Ok, making the (baseless) assumption that we have souls, at what point did we gain a soul? - As there must have been a time when a parent had no soul but the children did. Does this mean that your god had love and gave dominion to the child, but the parent was a 'simple animal' and a lesser creature?
Do you see how this SHOULD make a difference to your faith? (Doesn't fit in with 10 commandments either - Honour thy parent?)
Also, does this mean you don't believe in the adam and eve and noah's ark stories?

654. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #195386 by Apathy personified on June 18, 2008 at 6:37 am

Thanks epeeist,
My language was woefully lazy and i now kinda see the redundancy in my question.
After all, all scientific theories can be seen as models of reality, not reality itself.

655. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #195367 by Apathy personified on June 18, 2008 at 6:03 am

I don't want to derail the discussion, but...
I've always wondered if ToE (or parts of it) will be put in the same position as newtonian mechanics after einstein's work on relativity. So maybe a new scientific theory will come along that explains everything ToE does, but also irons out any inconsistencies (although i'm not aware of any in ToE atm). Would we still be right in saying ToE is right? (in the same way, can we call newtonian mechanics right - or just a very good low speed approximation)

656. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #195355 by Apathy personified on June 18, 2008 at 5:40 am

Podaar,

*High Five!!*

657. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #195345 by Apathy personified on June 18, 2008 at 5:09 am

Sorry, that was facetious, even for me.

658. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #195344 by Apathy personified on June 18, 2008 at 5:08 am

what mechanism a creator would use to produce life. Without that, you can't invoke a creator.

659. Holiday in Hellmouth

Comment #195336 by Apathy personified on June 18, 2008 at 4:40 am

Comment 221 by irate_atheist

Ha, fair enough, was being slightly tongue in cheek.
IMO, you are not being abusive when you call him a fucktard, just factually accurate.

I guess the truth can hurt.

660. Rapture site sends unbelievers their last chance ... via email

Comment #195332 by Apathy personified on June 18, 2008 at 4:35 am

You won't be joking when the world is on fire, meteors are raining down and the mighty hordes of mongoose's (mongeese???) descend from heaven to lay ruin to us all.

AllanW, you don't have to go, just don't do it again :).

661. Oystein Elgaroy - the Christian defender who became an Atheist

Comment #195328 by Apathy personified on June 18, 2008 at 4:26 am

Hey Loke, welcome to the site.

I see 'clearthinker' has been and gone again, *sigh*.

For the last time atheism - NOT A FAITH, it's not even on the spectrum of faith's, it's just a convenient word that describes the fact that we don't defer our lifes or our personal responsibility to an imaginary elf in the sky.

Will you answer Steve? He's asked you many times, what is your position on evolution, do you accept the mountain of evidence that supports it?

Note: I do not give a toss about your beliefs - I want your opinion on it's scientific validity, if you feel it is lacking as a scientific theory, can you explain why, WITHOUT mentioning god, jebus, allah, thor or whoever?

662. Rapture site sends unbelievers their last chance ... via email

Comment #194735 by Apathy personified on June 17, 2008 at 8:15 am

Elles,

It will never happen again.

663. Rapture site sends unbelievers their last chance ... via email

Comment #194686 by Apathy personified on June 17, 2008 at 7:33 am

Great business plan - people pay annual fees until jesus: the sequel, occurs (more chance of the sun exploding - which it will do). I'd love it if the site owner turned out to be an atheist.

When they confirm jesus hasn't returned, is it a command box, or is it like kids on a long car journey,
'Jesus back yet?'
'No'

'Jesus back yet?'
'No'

'Jesus back yet?'
'No'

'Jesus back yet?'
'Stop fucking asking!'

664. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194404 by Apathy personified on June 16, 2008 at 5:48 pm

What do you get when 12 Britain's come together?
Answer: A full set of teeth

665. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194398 by Apathy personified on June 16, 2008 at 5:39 pm

RtG,
There are things called fossils, have you heard of them?

Humble yourself and pray

666. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194349 by Apathy personified on June 16, 2008 at 4:06 pm

RtG,

Have you never asked about Jesus(assuming he existed, not much evidence for that)? He was a man in his mid thirties, unmarried - no contact with women except his mother - and he liked to spend his time with a group of adoring young men......

There is no such thing as sin, you are trolling but your stupidity and homophobia have meant you played your cards too early.

667. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194326 by Apathy personified on June 16, 2008 at 3:46 pm

I call troll on RtG, no one is that fucking stupid.

668. Vatican bans Dan Brown film Angels & Demons from Rome churches

Comment #194005 by Apathy personified on June 16, 2008 at 9:22 am

A film i won't be seeing based on a book i won't be reading annoying a useless and outdated organisation, i honestly don't think i could care less about any aspect of this story or the outcome.

669. Holiday in Hellmouth

Comment #193802 by Apathy personified on June 16, 2008 at 4:01 am

this thread has run its course for me

670. Holiday in Hellmouth

Comment #193508 by Apathy personified on June 15, 2008 at 6:07 pm

Damn, seems like i missed another hit and run by 'clearthinker', oh well......

So, is he still a christian?

Juxtamonkey - your welcome :-). The verses you were looking for are likely to be in the gospels (it all rings a bell, hazy memories from wasted sunday mornings), though i don't know any specifics (sorry).

671. Physicists in Congress Calculate Their Influence

Comment #193505 by Apathy personified on June 15, 2008 at 5:59 pm

mordacious1 - good point. Always nice to know that we're not the only ones with democratically elected morons in charge AND as the back up ministers.

I have no patience, so i would probably go for the insulated ivory tower myself, until a round of science budget cuts closed it down, of course.

672. Physicists in Congress Calculate Their Influence

Comment #193501 by Apathy personified on June 15, 2008 at 5:54 pm

The current British government have, over the last 10 years, taken the bulk of the science funding from independent bodies into politically controlled councils (that waste of fucking space the STFC - prime example).
This means we have politicians making science research and policy decisions - most of them having dropped sciences at 16 (so 30 years ago for most of them, at least).
I hope i'm not the only one who sees a problem....
and no, they don't listen to the recommendations of the scientists (see recent thread about Hawking comments)

673. George W Bush meets Pope amid claims he might convert to Catholicism

Comment #193491 by Apathy personified on June 15, 2008 at 5:31 pm

Strange, how absolutely 'right' people are about their religions, no doubt in their mind until.... 'actually boys, change of direction, it's the catholics, NOT the methodists who are right'

I hope this turns out to be true, then both Blair and Bush will have shown more loyalty to their brand of toothpaste (colgate - it's what made them best friends in the early days - no, seriously, i shit you not), than the entire protestant movement, suck on that Martin Luther.

674. As the world becomes smaller, the need to understand each other's faith grows

Comment #192971 by Apathy personified on June 14, 2008 at 11:13 am

Dax, i've taken the liberty to amend your post, i hope you don't mind,

became a professional twat for Jesus

675. As the world becomes smaller, the need to understand each other's faith grows

Comment #192885 by Apathy personified on June 14, 2008 at 6:12 am

Ladies and Gentlemen, i give you....Tony Blair!!! (audience descends into wild clapping and fauning of the international hero).

Can't he do a Major and disappear from the public eye?

As always Cardinal Blair tries to be everything to everyone, the friend of all, but it ends up as a shallow lip service and he comes across as empty and nothing to everyone - if faith could cure the worlds problems, why didn't it do so along time ago when more people (statistically) had faith?

676. Holiday in Hellmouth

Comment #191914 by Apathy personified on June 12, 2008 at 5:16 am

clearthinker,
I, and everyone else, was only looking for clarification about your story, nothing more, so stop trying to play the victim card.
Thanks for the clarification - you cashed the cheque and used your overdraft facility - now i understand the story and everyone else does, there was no magic, just a high interest convenience available to customers of your particular bank.

I haven't been a desperado since i sold my sombrero.

My point is that you have lifted the term 'American Imperialism' from the letters page of 'Socialist Workers Weekly' or where ever and it is used as an anti Iraq invasion term and doesn't accurately describe the current situation on the ground or in the political sphere - For the latest anti American buzzwords you should always check the opinion pages of the guardian and then go nuts, but being anti - every american is technically xenophobic.

Also, i have noticed how you appear to have singled out thewhitepearl, juxtamonkey and corylus for a disproportionate amount of your own unique brand of 'criticism', why is this?

thewhitepearl, juxtamonkey, corylus - you all rule - keep shaking him, clearly he can't deal with the finer sex.

Edit: Grammatical mistakes

677. Regime change in heaven

Comment #191345 by Apathy personified on June 10, 2008 at 3:59 pm

According to paradise lost (the true record of what really happened) god's son vanquished satans armies, really destroyed them, but that doesn't matter, as we have heaven now (there won't be any insurgents, don't worry)

We need to look to heaven's neighbour, hell, it's full of evil people, like satan, who have already attacked earth, and may do it again, it may also look to use the weapons of heaven that were smuggled out, just as we arrived (just a few seconds...)
We need to act now people, now.

678. John McCain: America a Christian nation, needs Christian president

Comment #191341 by Apathy personified on June 10, 2008 at 3:46 pm

Peace,

On the issue of venezuelian oil, and ONLY on the issue of venezuelian oil, i give him close to full credit (see, i couldn't use the word full twice)

I watched the video.... LOL, LOL, haha, never seen that before but hahaha.

You're right, if you are a charcter, you'll get elected, but i hope he's a big success (because i live here!)

679. John McCain: America a Christian nation, needs Christian president

Comment #191326 by Apathy personified on June 10, 2008 at 3:09 pm

al,
I knew he was supported, but didn't know he was initially used as a puppet.
I've heard a few stories about the US supporting some dubious people in latin and south america, china supporting some of the african dictatorships, with europe then lending a helping hand on this front where ever else - Shame we don't seem to be learning, do we?

Though full credit to boris johnson, the new mayor of London, for ending an oil deal between London and venezuela (that twat chavez) as one of his first acts. He also banned drinking alcohol on the tube and buses - not so popular.

680. The 14-year-old Afghan suicide bomber

Comment #191316 by Apathy personified on June 10, 2008 at 2:45 pm

thewhitepearl,

'muslim time lord wannabe'

Ha, that's probably what he tells people.
But if they believe in allah and all the associated shit that comes with religion, why wouldn't they believe that he flys through space AND time.

681. John McCain: America a Christian nation, needs Christian president

Comment #191311 by Apathy personified on June 10, 2008 at 2:34 pm

al,

The West in general has a history of turning a blind eye to dictators every where when it's 'convenient', not just in Africa.

A point in case, Saddam Hussien in the early 80's.

It's sad to think that there are probably a substantial number of African dictators who deserve a place of prominence on your list of shame.

682. John McCain: America a Christian nation, needs Christian president

Comment #191290 by Apathy personified on June 10, 2008 at 2:04 pm

al, have you heard some of mbeki's views on HIV/Aids? No wonder it's spreading so quickly with such a cost in South Africa.

On the point of mugabe, i read somewhere that he rigged the 1980 election, and hasn't held a fair one since, not sure how accurate that is but wouldn't surprise me.

The fact that NOBODY in this current givernment or major's parade of jokers has thought of stripping him of his knighthood is an absolute disgrace and defies belief.

683. Holiday in Hellmouth

Comment #190414 by Apathy personified on June 9, 2008 at 3:59 am

Tyler, it's easy, you see, Adam and Eve had two sons, and then to get the whole genetic diversity of humans ...... oh, .... oh my, ..... uh, never mind.

684. John McCain: America a Christian nation, needs Christian president

Comment #190391 by Apathy personified on June 9, 2008 at 2:28 am

mordacious1, it's real fucking bad shit aswell, it'll
blow your fucking mind.

685. John McCain: America a Christian nation, needs Christian president

Comment #190390 by Apathy personified on June 9, 2008 at 2:27 am

alabasterocean, are you serious?
They are only words, they can't hurt you.

686. Holiday in Hellmouth

Comment #190387 by Apathy personified on June 9, 2008 at 2:23 am

JuxtaMonkey - 'clearthinker' is very selective when it comes to understanding sarcasm or any form of wit, and while your posts are very entertaining, he's likely to take it that he's broken down your athiest walls to bring forth the good christian that's in all of us (except me, i'm dead inside).

687. Holiday in Hellmouth

Comment #190371 by Apathy personified on June 9, 2008 at 1:44 am

JuxtaMonkey - You have a very good point about why 'clearthinker' comes here, though he may have slight masochistic tendancies also.

Clearthinker, the point about the cheque story is; Did you hand over the cheque, with the knowledge that the money wasn't in the account, and then only later, maybe even before or after it was cashed, some unknown strangers, some philanthropists of the night, paid money into your account?

Also, any one who uses the term 'American Imperialism', loses any argument by default, this proves you either lack any cognitive faculties to come up with your own opinions (which surprises me, after all, you've invented a god in that head of yours) or you are just a bit of a muppet.

Incidently, i thought it was, 'God moves (not works) in mysterious ways', as this allows a cheap gag about God not being able to dance, and if he can't dance then he ain't no friend of mine.

688. Prayer to feed the hungry

Comment #190030 by Apathy personified on June 8, 2008 at 8:52 am

Ok, excellent plan, you get into a position of servitude and hold an internal monologue (as if there'd ever be a response), and the rest of the world will try a few practical solutions.

Incidently, having all the fundies locked away in churches praying the whole time....am i the only one who loves that idea? They should neglect everything else and pray, no more; sitting on education boards, lobbying parliament, preaching - just non-stop prayer (here's hoping they forget to eat)

689. A word for nonbelievers

Comment #189984 by Apathy personified on June 8, 2008 at 4:08 am

Hahaha, clearmind, how long did that take you?
How is it that you managed to post such a long comment, yet say nothing constructive and only add unfounded points?

Actually good legal systems are based on law and justice. The British and American legal systems are based upon Christian principles of law and justice.

Which Christian principles? From what i hear they are very contradictory, compare the old and new testaments maybe, also, does the Spanish inquisition count?

690. Holiday in Hellmouth

Comment #189910 by Apathy personified on June 7, 2008 at 2:20 pm

< sarcasm >
Surely you all know that suffering is to test your faith, the merciful, loving god would never let bad things happen to good people without a reason.
< / sarcasm >

Wasn't there a study in America that showed the power of prayer had a slightly negative effect?

Edit: Its piss poor scholary detail, but i can't remember who did the study, sorry guys.

Edit, Edit: Turns out studies on the power of prayer tend to be flawed in some way or other, so please disregard the comment about a particular one in America above. For those intersted i think it was done at Duke Uni.

691. A word for nonbelievers

Comment #189861 by Apathy personified on June 7, 2008 at 11:42 am

adrianrf;
First, thanks for inflating my already oversized ego by saying, 'Apathy personified et al.', although i thought my post was probably the least coherent of those expressing reservations about 'athiest clubs' (name used for sake of argument, not to make any point).

Second, my point was that i'm uneasy with the concept of those clubs, not that i'm necessarily against them totally (i probably didn't make that clear in my post - sorry, my error). I think i explained why i'm against the idea, but if it's not clear i'm happy to clarify.

I agree that we need to stop the well financed and powerful religious lobbies from getting law changes to suit them and undermine everything that is good about modern societies.
I live in Britain, so my perspective may be different from yours, but i don't at the moment feel the need to join a club because of a belief i don't possess, but it's not inconceivable that i would join one in the future.

692. A word for nonbelievers

Comment #189750 by Apathy personified on June 7, 2008 at 6:40 am

Stories like this make me very uneasy.
I call myself an athiest as a title of convenience, but it in no way gives any clue to my real beliefs or opinions (except that i don't think there's a sky mum /dad, obviously).
My problem with religion comes from the fact that a) it's philosophy and basis are flawed and lack a real base in reality (other than in the imagination of believers) and b) what the actual organisations that promote these beliefe do, how they act.
They fact is, people join these churches and become loyal to them, this then starts to blind them to the truth, tends to harden or radicalise their beliefs, not healthy for anyone. Before you say, 'Us Athiests are too smart to fall for that', think, are we really?
Mob mentality can work in many ways and i fear that sometimes the talk of mass organisation of athiests can only lead down a similar path.
I agree that politically athiests will have cause to unite, to protect the secular nature of our countries legal and political framework, etc..
but starting big organisations where only athiests go and your only non-work friends are members, is that the way people want to go? If yes, fair enough, but shutting myself off from part of the world is not for me.

693. Karma comedians

Comment #186728 by Apathy personified on May 31, 2008 at 8:19 am

I really can't stand any of this new age bullshit.
However, i love irony;
Sharon Stone talking about karma, then because of her gross offensive stupidity, losing all her marketable value in China is quite funny.

What isn't funny is blaming the Chinese government for an earthquake, what utter idiocy. Does she think that the tens of thousands of innocent civilians who died are to blame for what happens in tibet? That's like saying hurricane katrina was caused by US action at guantanamo bay, completely ridiculus and the absolute depth of stupidity.

Sorry to rant, but stupidity really pisses me off

694. Mark Steyn vs. the 'Sock Puppets'

Comment #185726 by Apathy personified on May 28, 2008 at 11:23 am

If Mark Steyn was either middle eastern in ethnicity, or born into a muslim family, would the HRC have upheld the complaint, then decide to prosecute?

If not, then it would seem to be double standards and i think that Mark Steyn has a very strong case to sue the HRC for racial discrimination.

This is exactly what Chris Hitchens warns about in his AAI 2007 speech.

695. Pelosi, Reid shunning Ten Commandments?

Comment #181413 by Apathy personified on May 17, 2008 at 7:42 am

DoctorE,
I find that offensive. I was born, raised and have been a practising jerk all my life, and i shall be a jerk until the day i die (ask anybody who knows me, they'll verify that it's true).

Haha, that was fun, now i know why religious people say that (substitute jerk for any generic 'faith')

696. Pelosi, Reid shunning Ten Commandments?

Comment #181359 by Apathy personified on May 17, 2008 at 2:55 am

'Oh, how about the 10 commandments going through both Houses?'

How about you suck my balls.

As athiests we have to be very careful, the religious are starting to maneouver themselves into the 'oppressed' role, we have to be careful we don't fall into the role they have cast for us, 'oppresser'. Our only real defense is law - i.e. secular country, state sponsored religious activities illegal and my personal favourite, 'show me the evidence'

697. The Oxford Book of Modern Science Writing, ed. Richard Dawkins

Comment #180955 by Apathy personified on May 16, 2008 at 7:46 am

I have this book, on the bookcase, just waiting for my finals to be over (3rd year physics....don't ask), i really can't wait.

Now, now Jiten, play nice, they are new to the site

698. Group finds Starbucks logo too hot to handle

Comment #180885 by Apathy personified on May 16, 2008 at 2:58 am

Haha, just thought, slutbucks brings a whole new dimension to 'grande mocha with whipped cream'.

It's ok, i can show myself out.

699. Group finds Starbucks logo too hot to handle

Comment #180884 by Apathy personified on May 16, 2008 at 2:54 am

'Slutbucks' - wow, i'm so there.
I have to add to the comments already on the post, the fact that the people look at a two tailed mermaid and 'see' a sexual image speaks volumes for their own sexual repression, maybe they should at least try another position, instead of just closing their eyes and then crying afterwards.

Alfonso; that's 3000 out of 300 million, that's basically less than nothing. How many people accross America and the World use Starbucks everyday,...exactly.

700. UC Berkeley is going to court over Evolution website

Comment #180673 by Apathy personified on May 15, 2008 at 2:10 pm

Al, i couldn't agree more.
Although i'd like to expand it to 'Fuck every religion', so i'm not accused of being sectarian.