701. What's the Point of the Archbishop of Canterbury?

Comment #139108 by Tyler Durden on March 5, 2008 at 6:30 am

But he regards his opinion as more than a personal opinion. He regards it - and often presents it as - god's opinion.

Argument from Authority.

No thanks!

irate,

Why are the religious hard-wired to be so accepting to being told what to do?

702. What's the Point of the Archbishop of Canterbury?

Comment #139075 by Tyler Durden on March 5, 2008 at 5:22 am

Oh boy!

Comment #139055 by fides_et_ratio

In an effective democracy power shouldn't be concentrated in the hands of a political elite to the extent that it excludes any other voice. Business leaders, Academic leaders, leaders from all fields including faith should be able to add to the debate.

Then, by all means, let them get elected to Parliament. (What about the leaders of the BNP, leaders of Neo-Nazi groups, leaders of the local women's sewing circle??)

When His Holiness the Pope spoke against war in Iraq, politicians around the world had to engage with it.

But when he speaks about not allowing condoms in Africa to combat HIV/AIDS due to his anitquated "beliefs" we have to listen to him then also? No thanks!

Religious leaders are also representative, perhaps not of you, but of someone, this further justifies their role on public life

You use the word "further" like you've already shown how these charlatans are justified giving their specious opinions in the first place. Not so.

What makes their voice authoritative is often the office they hold. I think this is a good thing.

No. It's exactly because of the office they hold that they should remain silent and out of the running of the country. Go practice your "faith" in private.

It's worth remembering that membership of faith groups is far larger than membership of political parties.

This is a complete non-sequitur. Try again.

You're not very good at this, are you?

703. What's the Point of the Archbishop of Canterbury?

Comment #139042 by Tyler Durden on March 5, 2008 at 4:20 am

Comment #139024 by fides_et_ratio

I don't think our country would be a better place if politicians were free to wield their power free from such sobering voices as this and past Archbishops

What a shockingly stupid, ignorant, and mindless thing to say! You, Sir, have outdone yourself with this.

So, because Williams, and past Archbishops, believes in some imaginary sky-daddy his opinion is worth something? And this "sobering" opinion should affect policy for an entire country - based on nothing but anecdotal findings, and wishful thinking.

Politicians are elected precisely to "wield their power", the Archbishop of Canterbury is not - or didn't you listen to the article?

Is it really too much to ask that you think for yourself? Seriously, how old are you? Grow up! Live your life. Enjoy it. You're free to do whatever you like. Your celestial dictator does not care one iota about you, your morals or your penis!

There was a time before all this religious superstitious mumbo-jumbo existed - and we survived just fine, thank you very much!!

704. What's the Point of the Archbishop of Canterbury?

Comment #139033 by Tyler Durden on March 5, 2008 at 3:55 am

Comment #139024 by fides_et_ratio

I was a great fan of Thatch but still see the value in a prominant apolitical figure raising relevant points in the media

Richard Branson?

705. What's the Point of the Archbishop of Canterbury?

Comment #139025 by Tyler Durden on March 5, 2008 at 3:30 am

then thank God for his office

Which God?

706. What's the Point of the Archbishop of Canterbury?

Comment #139013 by Tyler Durden on March 5, 2008 at 3:05 am

4:11

Douglus Hurd thinks the office of the Archbishop of Canterbury is more important than the Prime Minister?

Fucktard™

707. The Salamander's Tale

Comment #139002 by Tyler Durden on March 5, 2008 at 2:47 am

wipeout,

what's your problem with sex? Most natural thing in the world, we wouldn't be here without it. Perhaps you're confusing "obsessed" with "interested"?

Or does your God not like it when you indulge in the sweaty dance of the beast with two backs?

708. The Salamander's Tale

Comment #138992 by Tyler Durden on March 5, 2008 at 2:32 am

Comment #138984 by wipeout:

You have no idea how intimidating you and your answers are.

Oh but we do - just ask David Robertson.

counter attack to cover your big holes in your E.T. by swearing or using inappropriate arguments

Holes in the theory of evolution? Please elaborate - what "holes" do you speak of?

709. Church exhumes Padre Pio

Comment #138948 by Tyler Durden on March 5, 2008 at 1:27 am

Comment #138855 by Big T

The truth is, I fought Satan last night, in the parking lot of a bar in Independence, Missouri, and I kicked his demonic ass!

The first rule of Fight Club is - you do not talk about Fight Club

:)

710. Church exhumes Padre Pio

Comment #138377 by Tyler Durden on March 4, 2008 at 8:48 am

irate -

Pio had Satan in a bout-ending, winner-take-all, banish-his-ass-from-this-Earth choke-hold, but the crafty devil turned into a serpent and slinked his way out of the cell.

711. Church exhumes Padre Pio

Comment #138368 by Tyler Durden on March 4, 2008 at 8:39 am

I've yet to actually wrestle with the devil, but I have danced with the devil by the pale moon light.

712. Church exhumes Padre Pio

Comment #138355 by Tyler Durden on March 4, 2008 at 8:25 am

Among the stories that surround him is one that he wrestled with the devil in his monastery cell.

Not too long after, he was wrestling with The Undertaker.

Hello? *taps microphone* Is this thing on?

I'll get me coat :)

713. Church exhumes Padre Pio

Comment #138343 by Tyler Durden on March 4, 2008 at 8:10 am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoracic_duct

In adults, the thoracic duct transports up to 5L of lymph per day.

The lymph transport in the thoracic duct is mainly caused by the action of breathing, aided by the duct's smooth muscle and by internal valves which prevent the lymph from flowing back down again.

There are also two valves at the junction of the duct with the left subclavian vein, to prevent the flow of venous blood into the duct.

Clinical significance
When the thoracic duct is blocked or damaged a large amount of lymph can quickly accumulate in the pleural cavity, this situation is called chylothorax.

The first sign of a malignancy (especially an intraabdominal one) may be an enlarged Virchow's node, a lymph node in the left supraclavicular area, in the vicinity where the thoracic duct empties into the left subclavian vein.

714. Church exhumes Padre Pio

Comment #138337 by Tyler Durden on March 4, 2008 at 8:04 am

Pope John Paul II made him a saint in 2002 at a ceremony that drew one of the biggest crowds ever to the Vatican after the Church said it had found evidence that the miraculous cure of a sick woman was due to the dead monk's intercession.

Wait, did they say evidence? They did you know!

(Does quick Google search... )

Strange, no sign of any evidence. Surely they are telling us the truth?

Edit:

In Salerno, on the beautiful Amalfi coast, in the south of Italy, lives Consiglia De Martino with her family.

At the end of October 1996, she was struck with a very rare and serious illness. She suddenly felt as if she was suffocating, her neck was swollen and a huge swelling, as big as an orange appeared on her left collarbone. She was immediately rushed to hospital to undergo various tests, including the TAC. The doctors discovered "the traumatic breaking of the thoracic duct with the subsequent leakage of lymphatic liquid into mediastinal and peritoneal cavities." An operation was necessary to close up the fracture, otherwise the woman would die. The operation was fixed for 2 November. During the night, Consiglia prayed to Padre Pio to whom she had been devoted for some time. At a certain moment, she smelt a strong perfume and said to herself, "Padre Pio is near, he will protect me during the operation," and she fell asleep. She dreamt that Padre Pio said to her, "Don't worry, I'll operate on you" and he placed his stigmatised hand on the woman's neck. When Consiglia woke up the next day, she was completely healed. Instead of operating on her, the doctors observed instead that the fracture of the thoracic duct had disappeared, as if it had never existed.

This miracle was Accepted by the Church as the Official Miracle Required to the Beatification

http://www.pietrelcinanet.com/padre_pio/eng/miracle_de_martino.htm

715. Church exhumes Padre Pio

Comment #138329 by Tyler Durden on March 4, 2008 at 7:48 am

Padre Pio is also said to have...

Argument from anecdotal evidence. Yawn.

Nothing to see here people, please move along. Nothing to see here.

716. Church exhumes Padre Pio

Comment #138319 by Tyler Durden on March 4, 2008 at 7:36 am

Padre Pio is also said to have predicted future events

"The sun will come out, tomorrow, bet your bottom dollar..."

to have been seen in two places at once

The magic of mirrors.

and to have been able to tell people their sins before they confessed them to him.

"Does it begin with A, no B, eh, C - wait, wait, one more guess..."

717. Church exhumes Padre Pio

Comment #138311 by Tyler Durden on March 4, 2008 at 7:29 am

If Padre Pio will allow me, I would say it was like he had been manicured.

Praise be to Quetz, there are manicurists in Heaven.

718. Church exhumes Padre Pio

Comment #138304 by Tyler Durden on March 4, 2008 at 7:23 am

Vatican accused of 'tampering with the dead'

Better the dead than the living!

719. Fleabytes

Comment #138216 by Tyler Durden on March 4, 2008 at 4:31 am

In support of Philip1978, LorienRyan

Alas, it would seem NMcC has had his dewicate feewings hurt and he's throwing a hissy fit.

Aw, does somebody need a wollipop?

720. The Salamander's Tale

Comment #138200 by Tyler Durden on March 4, 2008 at 3:58 am

Inane rambling from wooter:

If any building is going down in structure because of bad care or lack of care, we cannot blame the designer since he built the house perfectly in the first place.

wooter, why do you have an appendix?

721. Fleabytes

Comment #138177 by Tyler Durden on March 4, 2008 at 3:16 am

3071. Comment #138143 by NMcC on March 4, 2008 at 1:48 am

Posting while drunk is never as clever as it seems.

722. Fleabytes

Comment #135767 by Tyler Durden on February 29, 2008 at 9:03 am

Comment #135754 by Artful_Dodger:

I am sure that DR did not mean to imply that atheists do not care about human suffering or are incapable of empathy.

Exactly how sure are you? 10%? 50%? 90%?

Or are you putting words in his mouth?

The point is that humanism is not rooted in materialism but, in fact, in theism.

Oh good grief! There was a time before religion ever existed. How did we ever survive then? Reciprocal altruism perhaps?

"in fact" you say, evidence please!

Art, just how deluded does one have to be in order to believe what you do? Tell me you've read more than just your bible!

723. Fleabytes

Comment #135752 by Tyler Durden on February 29, 2008 at 8:50 am

Al, perhaps Art is waiting for post #2000 to unveil his "evidence" :)

epeeist, valid vs sound, did that on Tuesday night in Critical Thinking class. "Thinking A to Z" by Warburton is the proverbial dogs!

724. Fleabytes

Comment #135720 by Tyler Durden on February 29, 2008 at 8:31 am

Comment #135708 by Artful_Dodger:

chill out and take a nap Al. I have other things to do. My life does not revolve around posting on this site.

Al, what number is this on the list? At least he didn't throw Pascal's Wager at us... yet :)

725. Fleabytes

Comment #135689 by Tyler Durden on February 29, 2008 at 7:57 am

Comment #135683 by Artful_Dodger:

Don't you understand what a metaphor is? Or do you think that when the Bible says that the trees and mountains "clap their hands" that Christians take that literally too? Maybe some do, but that's their problem

No True Scotsman fallacy. Next!

Art, what do you believe to be true from the bible - just gimme the highlights.

726. Fleabytes

Comment #135682 by Tyler Durden on February 29, 2008 at 7:49 am

Comment #135663 by Artful_Dodger:

Some abuse draws a smile. (eg Tyler's recent post with my typo)

That was "abuse"? My, we are fragile. Merely an observation Art, merely an observation. 'Twas your unconscious showing, not mine :)

727. Taking evidence seriously

Comment #135668 by Tyler Durden on February 29, 2008 at 7:36 am

Comment #135647 by fides_et_ratio:

They do what schools are supposed to do and they do it very well.

Indoctrinate children into religion?

728. Fleabytes

Comment #135645 by Tyler Durden on February 29, 2008 at 7:13 am

Anna,

your point is well made.

Art - what is the colour of the sky in your world?

729. Fleabytes

Comment #135631 by Tyler Durden on February 29, 2008 at 6:53 am

Comment #135622 by Artful_Dodger:

The story of Adam and Eve could be a story, a lierary creation

Ah, Freudian slips, my favourite.

Art, your unconscious is showing.

730. Fleabytes

Comment #135611 by Tyler Durden on February 29, 2008 at 6:23 am

Comment #135605 by mlearnedfriend/Robertson

I think it would be farier to say that Christians believe that people are beautiful, but flawed.

I am not flawed. You (as a Christian) may think this, but this does not make it so.

As somebody pointed out earlier on this thread (Al?), this concept of being "flawed" is simply sold to you so that the same people can then sell you the "cure". Grow up, read a book, think for yourself. You may just surprise yourself.

The good news is that, of course there is redemption for that marred beauty.

Evidence, please!

731. Fleabytes

Comment #134914 by Tyler Durden on February 28, 2008 at 10:13 am

Felder,

I think Robertson's thinking is from circa 1503 :)

732. Fleabytes

Comment #134910 by Tyler Durden on February 28, 2008 at 10:08 am

"Chicanery: The ability to navigate through tight Formula One corners at high speeds"

733. Fleabytes

Comment #134903 by Tyler Durden on February 28, 2008 at 9:57 am

"Supercilious: The honest admission that, we here, are having too much of a good time."

734. Fleabytes

Comment #134884 by Tyler Durden on February 28, 2008 at 9:35 am

Anna,

Robertson has an agenda all his own, he's not here to answer questions, merely to stir the pot with loaded questions and ad homs.

Your optimism is refreshing; his stench is nauseating!

735. Fleabytes

Comment #134874 by Tyler Durden on February 28, 2008 at 9:26 am

/pedantic hat on/

Brody: You're gonna need a bigger boat.

/pedantic hat off/

:)

736. Fleabytes

Comment #134855 by Tyler Durden on February 28, 2008 at 9:07 am

Comment #134829 by Robertson:

And sorry for being so nasty but at least it has the beneficial side effect for you of strengthening you in your atheism. However I do have one small question - how can the absence of belief be strengthened?

Strange how Robertson understands atheism only when it benefits his fallacious, barbed, loaded questions.

Child.

737. Fleabytes

Comment #134818 by Tyler Durden on February 28, 2008 at 8:28 am

http://www.whois.ws/whois-com/ip-address/lyingforjesus.com/

lyingforjesus.com appears to be available!

Robertson, quick, get your VISA card out!

738. Fleabytes

Comment #134804 by Tyler Durden on February 28, 2008 at 8:17 am

What does hymen restoration surgery do?

It restores virginity...

Exsqueeze me?

739. Fleabytes

Comment #134797 by Tyler Durden on February 28, 2008 at 8:12 am

Roberston can be the weasel.

"Now Marge, Bart has to learn how to weasel out of things. It's what separates us from the animals... except the weasel." Homer Simpson

740. Fleabytes

Comment #134750 by Tyler Durden on February 28, 2008 at 7:08 am

Paul,

There is no fuss. Roberston is just stirring the shit, as is his way. He's never happy.

741. Fleabytes

Comment #134740 by Tyler Durden on February 28, 2008 at 6:47 am

Comment #134731 by Robertson:

I genuinely believe that the answers are to be found in Jesus

Quick, somebody get a map, we're heading to Jesus!

742. Fleabytes

Comment #134736 by Tyler Durden on February 28, 2008 at 6:41 am

Robertson,

I'm nobody's "acolyte". I can think for myself, thank you very much.

743. Fleabytes

Comment #134720 by Tyler Durden on February 28, 2008 at 6:20 am

Comment #134698 by clearthinker/wea flea/mlearnedfriend:

So I set up the other alternatives and got given the correct answer. You may consider that deceitful. I did nothing deceitful. I just asked the questions. And I got the answer. Thanks.

Sophist.

744. Fleabytes

Comment #134717 by Tyler Durden on February 28, 2008 at 6:17 am

David,

so there must be identifiers

Nope. Identifier. Single. Not plural.

745. Fleabytes

Comment #134711 by Tyler Durden on February 28, 2008 at 6:07 am

Steve,

Using the bible as "evidence for the nature of God" would be an Argument from Authority, and Wishful Thinking, as well as Anecdotal Evidence. Not to mention an Argument ad Fucktardium :)

I'm sure there are much, much more. epeeist?

746. Fleabytes

Comment #134703 by Tyler Durden on February 28, 2008 at 5:56 am

Hi David,

it is true that by having a label of what you don't believe in (dictionary definitian of Atheism - disbelief in the existence of God) makes establishing foundational tenets difficult impossible.

There, I've fixed it for you!

747. Fleabytes

Comment #134690 by Tyler Durden on February 28, 2008 at 5:43 am

NLP on RD.net?

Where do I unsubscribe?

748. Are they running for President or Pastor-in-Chief?

Comment #134682 by Tyler Durden on February 28, 2008 at 5:14 am

Comment #134611 by clodhopper

John Cleese? http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blrevocation_cleese.htm

749. Fleabytes

Comment #134636 by Tyler Durden on February 28, 2008 at 4:06 am

Deut. 5:9 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me.

Jealousy is a human trait, no?

Reminds me of Star Trek V: The Final Frontier:
Kirk: What does God need with a starship?

750. Fleabytes

Comment #134616 by Tyler Durden on February 28, 2008 at 3:41 am

"Hell is other people." Jean-Paul Sartre